>>32315682
What's she pay for rent? Half of that plus half of expenses is reasonable.

>>32315686
She doesn't pay rent. She owns her apartment. Her parents basically bought it for her

>>32315682
Tell her if you're paying rent she needs to submit to you since your apartment your rules.

>>32315689
>owns her apartment
Right right people in cities or not in America do that, sorry.

Then yeah you paying rent is weird. If it's not a bill that needs to be split then I don't understand why she would need any money from you for it.

>>32315682
She has a mortgage and property taxes to pay, and probably doesn't want to support a manchild by letting you leech off of her hard work or material wealth. Maybe the amount isn't right, but if you genuinely believe zero dollars to live in a place is reasonable, then you're likely immature, which is also a perception I'd form from your opinion on rentals in general. Nobody lives anywhere for free, housing isn't free, and if you worked hard to purchase property that you didn't need to live in, I very much doubt you'd let someone live in it for free (at your cost, actually, given mortgage/taxes and maintenance costs). It doesn't matter where specifically the money is going, you becoming an equal bill-payer in the household is what matters. Negotiate it with her to make an equitable agreement, and desire to pull your own weight. Owning something doesn't mean it "costs you nothing", ownership has many costs associated with it, and it doesn't matter if you being there or not changes those costs, you should want to contribute equally and share the costs of cohabitation. Be an adult and talk with her about the terms and conditions of the arrangement, maybe negotiate to have your own space in the place, or the amount, but don't act like you deserve a free room just because she owns the place. Until you are married, what is hers is still not yours.

>>32315710
There's a very good reason to make him pay rent. It is a contractual guarantee that he will pay his share of the living expenses. Longer term, he can't claim squatter's rights, he can't claim partial ownership of the apartment, and common law marriage will never apply. Also when she breaks up with him or he stops paying rent then she can just file eviction papers and get the police to drag him out of there. It's a win-win-win-win-win for her, and a win-win for him. If OP is feeling pissy that she's getting a few more wins out of the deal than he is, he should perhaps find another woman with an apartment, perhaps a planetoid lardass that is desperate enough to let him stay for free.

>>32315743
I don't think she's proposing making up an actual lease, just him paying her. He should pay half of all the expenses but calling it rent makes it weird.

>>32315719
>becoming an equal bill-payer in the household is what matters.
I literally said I’d be more than happy to pay half of all bills in the OP.
And bills and other associated costs are minuscule compared to the market price of rent here, which is what this thread is about.

>>32315753
I would love to pay half of electricity, gas, groceries, everything.

But that’s not what she wants; she wants. She wants that plus $300 per week, because that’s what it costs to rent a bedroom from a landlord here.

>>32315767
And that's a perfectly reasonable request. Not sure why you're making such a fuss about this.

>>32315785
>perfectly reasonable
Not OP
How is it reasonable?

>>32315789
Did you misread?

How is $300 of rent per week to your girlfriend reasonable?

>>32315794
I misread.
>>32315785
Which is reasonable? Paying half of all bills, or paying the market rate on the room?

Because theyre nowhere close in value.

>>32315827
Both. You should pay market rate on the room and half the bills. The only reason you could possibly have to object to this is your intention all along was to freeload off of her good intentions, which she seems to have sussed out in the nick of time.

>>32315785
Goddamn these shameless jewish chicks these days

>>32315844
I think OP should decline the offer and find someone better on the side

>>32315682
Tell her to go fuck herself and find someone younger.
Lots of girls won’t do this, and she wants a live-in gigolo in addition to rent? Pass.

>>32315719
That’s a lot of words for someone who has no idea what they’re talking about.

In reality, this situation results in what’s called a defacto relationship. And people like OP end up being entitled to half of the net increase in assets.

You literally can’t “pay rent” to your SO like this. It becomes more like the money you paid is an investment in the property and when you break up, you are entitled to that wealth.

And that’s very reasonable. It prevents financial abuse although generally it’s protected women more in the past.

>>32315756
Wherever you got the idea that you're entitled to personal enrichment just because she owns something, take it back where it came from. You'll get nowhere with that attitude. You're making it out to be that she's seeking to profit from you, when your entire argument is that you should profit from her property by not having to pay rent. It's immature and hypocritical. You could negotiate the amount and terms with her like an adult, but if you're really trying to pitch zero dollars a month to live in HER place, you're likely just fast-tracking your way to a breakup, and good for her if she does. Stop expecting shit for free. It doesn't matter what anyone else does or doesn't pay for it, it doesn't matter if she owns outright, or if she was given the property, that has no bearing at all on whether you should pay to live there or not. Take your socialist ass to North Korea if that's how you think things should work.

>>32315898
>reddit spacing
you also misunderstand what common-law marriage is, how it works, and ignore whether or not it is even law in OP's jurisdiction, and in what form. Go back to school, zoomie, you must be 18 to post here.

>>32315924
You seem to think you are entitled to charge full market rate to someone you’re in a relationship with, kikess

>>32315924
I just know the law, and the law is reasonable.
It was thought of by people much smarter than you.
I’m not even going to read the rest of your comment I’m sure it’s just effortless drivel

>>32315935
Negotiate less than market rate. Negotiate more favorable terms about space in the home. Have an adult conversation and form mutually agreeable terms. Being "in a relationship" isn't being married, it's not your house, and expecting to free-load off of your girlfriend is manchild behavior. You are not mature enough for a relationship if you 1) can't resolve these differences maturely with communication and have to resort to asking NEET KHVs on an anime site their opinion, and 2) think you can or should live ANYWHERE for free as an adult. Not even mommy and daddy would or should give you that kind of deal. Grow up and pay your own way.

>>32315955
The law where, retard kek

>>32315962
All men need to read this

Start charging your girlfriends rent

>>32315962
>Not even mommy and daddy would or should give you that kind of deal.
You made it too obvious. now we know you’re trolling

>>32315975
I mean, yeah, if you own the place you both live at (doesn't matter how you got it), that is a reasonable expectation. Unless you're married or already parents together, there's no reason to let her have a free ride just because you're fucking and living together. Owning a home costs money even after it's paid off anyway, there's no such thing as free.

>>32315985
I will send Men the memo

>>32315980
Not even a little bit, parents that let their adult children live at home with zero financial obligations or expectations are bad parents. That doesn't teach you anything and just encourages you to suckle their teet forever. They may or may not take that money and put it into savings for you, that would be nice of them, but giving you a free ride is ridiculous and harmful.

>>32315985
I agree
People should also charge their passengers for wear on car seats when giving lifts, there’s no such thing as a free ride kids.

>>32315682
I charge my girlfriend market rate for sex

>>32315990
You shouldn’t have kids

>>32315682
>She gets free apartment
>Doesn’t need to pay rent at all
>You live in apartment paying $1,200 monthly
>She invites you to live in her apartment
>She demands $1,200 per month from you for rent
>And all you’ll get is a place on her bed in her bedroom.
>In an apartment she got for free, and doesn’t pay rent on.

She’s trying to use you for financial gain, obviously. And it’s a bad sign too. If she were serious about going long-term with you, she’d not be imposing rental fees on you, her boyfriend. She’d instead want to share expenses and even share incomes. But instead she’d wanting you to neatly hand her $1,200 on the month every month. That implies she has no intention of joining her life with yours and sees you as expendable.

>>32315992
Unless I'm feeling generous, yes I expect gas money for giving you a ride, especially if it's a regular occurrence, and if you're sitting there calculating exactly how much gas I use getting you around and giving me exact change I'm going to stop driving you, so the wear and tear aspect would be covered by the overage. This is a reasonable expectation of someone who helps you. The only people I let ride for free are my immediate family for important things and only then because I know they respect me, my time, my property, and don't abuse my generosity. I had an ex who didn't drive and I had to take her to work daily and drive her to where she needed to go, she gave me gas money, that was fine and amicable.

>>32315998
Parenting like how you apparently expect should be done is how kids end up like you, lazy and entitled expecting mommy and daddy to wipe your ass at cost well into your 30s. I would say "please don't breed" but we both know there's no chance of that kek.

>>32315985
What if he cooks?
Then he shouldn’t have to pay

>>32316013
>All of my ‘generosity’ has strings attached
Don’t offer rides or gestures or gifts then, it’s that simple. Doesn’t matter if you feel generous or not, generosity isn’t a feeling, it’s an action. And if you’re being a people-pleaser who can’t say ‘no’ to people and you want appear as generous by offering rides, then stop acting surprised when people assume it was for free and a generous act on your part. Just say no right off the bat. Don’t give people shit only to attach a price tag at the end. That’s not even jewish tier, its gypsy tier.

>>32316027
>That’s not even jewish tier, its gypsy tier.
kek

>>32316020
What if she cleans? There, now it's equal again and we're right back to zero. Domestic chores and how you split them is a relationship issue for you both to discuss and decide, completely separate from having to pay rent to live there.

>>32315997
This

>>32316020
If he cooks, then he should pay extra for the depreciation on the stove top and oven and microwave, and cutlery.

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>>32316044
Keeek

>>32315985
It is really weird to profit off of your partner like that.

My boyfriend and I live together in a house I own.
He pays half of the bills and all the groceries, and I pay all maintenance, taxes, etc.

It is my house, he has no right to the house if we break up, so I refuse to let him put money into it.

>>32316027
I don't offer, and if I did I usually expect nothing, just like if I propose a date I'm happy to pay for both of us. If you ask me for a ride, which is 99% of the case, I'll decide if I want to and ask for gas money. Really, I shouldn't have to ask, because any normal, reasonable, mature adult should offer it, and wouldn't expect a ride for free. If your friend is constantly driving you around, whether they offered to or not, whether they ask for money or not, if you don't at least offer to pay then you're a mooch, and are the kind of person whom I refuse to give rides to in short order. If someone is constantly taking without giving, especially when you didn't offer in the first place, they don't respect you, and if you keep letting them, you're not generous and charitable, you just don't respect yourself.

>>32315682
Break up, find someone younger.
Take these roastoid feminist cunts back to the Stone Age and go 50/50 on everything.

>>32316058
Bro you obviously have some mad trauma we get it
You can stop posting now

>>32316058
You’re no different than a Taxi driver then, anon. If I had a friend like you, I wouldn’t even ask for a ride, I’d just call up a taxi or uber since they too expect a fee.

You’re right about taking without giving, but what you want given to you is $$$. I do favours for friends because I know when I am in need, they do the same for me. It doesn’t have to be some legalistic transactional shit where I count all of their debts and demand money, that’s some Judge Judy shit, not a friendship.

>>32316054
It's really weird to profit off your partner by expecting free housing. If that's the arrangement you're comfortable with, more power to you, but if he approached you expecting it, that's a different story. In your case, you both agreed upon the arrangement and nobody feels taken advantage of; your bill split also doesn't mirror OP's expectation, which is just to pay half of the monthly usage bills, leaving his GF to pay mortgage/taxes and maintenance on top of her half of the bills. OP's girlfriend doesn't share that same view, and wouldn't be comfortable housing him for free, letting him profit off of her. What's reasonable is what you can both have an adult conversation about and mutually be comfortable with.

>>32316081
Learn what profit means then rewrite this post
Dumb jews

>>32316058
You’re contradicting yourself, by only asking for gas money, you are letting your “friends” exploit you by saving money on what would have been an Uber fare. You need to charge them the full rate of an Uber fare for them not to profit from your generosity.

>>32316075
kek nice deflection retard
>>32316078
I'm not a taxi driver, which is why it would be even more frustrating to be someone's personal chauffer without pay because I didn't choose to run a taxi service. If you're expecting your friends to run you around town for free, you're a shit friend who takes advantage of your friend's and don't respect them.
I'm not writing receipts or taking account of everything in detail, but if I'm always giving you rides using my gas and putting wear on my vehicle and you're not respecting that fact by offering a little bit, even a token amount, to cover some of it? You're a mooch, not a friend. I might even refuse it, I usually do, but if you're not even offering it after a while I'm not going to keep driving you around like Ms Daisy.

>>32316104
How is it a deflection?
You have issues, you need a therapist, not what ever this is.

>>32316081
His girlfriend doesn't have any mortgage, so the only costs she'd have are maintenance and taxes.
Asking someone to pay market value rent for a single bedroom when you're not offering him a lease (which comes with protection for the tenant) and not offering him even a single bedroom is leeching off of him.
It might be reasonable to ask for money to recoup part of the maintenance costs and taxes, but they should go to a lawyer and draft a contract that protects both of them.

I'd definitely not want a person who isn't my husband to invest money in my house that I own.

>>32316111
Even if you did draw up a lease it wouldn’t matter in most of the developed world

Paying rent in a defacto relationship is generally viewed as equivalent to contributing to a mortgage and will still give OP a stake in the property.

>>32316088
If you stop paying a bill you were paying by moving in with them, then you're profiting from the arrangement retard.
>>32316097
I don't blame you, anon, I blame the public school system that didn't teach you to read. I didn't say anything about "market rate", I told OP to negotiate with his GF if the market rate rent didn't make sense to him, not that he should pay it.
>>32316110
poor baiting attempt anon, 2/10, try harder bud

>>32316119
Again, there is no mortgage. I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand.

>>32316104
I highly doubt your buddies are calling you up to drive them around town. I got a feeling this is a hypothetical in your head at best. And if it did happen, I’m willing to bet your friends asked for a ride because they knew you’d be driving that direction anyway (which means you’d not be wasting gas in actuality), and yet you demand payment anyway. Either way I have no idea. Sucks you had mooch friends if your story is true.

But no, you should not expect people to be psychic and automatically assume they have to pay you for your gestures of kindness. Because actual kindness is giving without expecting anything in return. Exploitable, yes. But accepting kindness =/= disrespect. If someone offers something to you under the guise of generosity, then the conclusion is its out of kindness. Not out of transaction. There is nothing ‘adult’ about being a miser who constantly bemoans others who expected kindness when offered.

You want the kindness returned, fair enough, but don’t expect it on your terms. You let the other person return it. And that most likely won’t happen immediately in the form of $$$ for gas money. It happens when you are in need and ask something of them. Then and only then can you figure out if you’ve been mooched.

>>32315682
>Is it right for my girlfriend to charge me rent to stay with her in the apartment which she owns?
Yeah

>>32316128
>Then and only then can you figure out if you’ve been mooched.

Lol what an utter absurdity

>>32316111
>His girlfriend doesn't have any mortgage, so the only costs she'd have are maintenance and taxes
It doesn't matter what her costs are or aren't, how she got the property, what matters is that it's hers, not his. Dating someone doesn't entitle you to profit from their possessions, or make all that's theirs yours. Marriage does.
>Asking someone to pay market value rent for a single bedroom when you're not offering him a lease (which comes with protection for the tenant) and not offering him even a single bedroom is leeching off of him.
And as I told OP, if market rate for the space being offered seems unreasonable, negotiate with her. Hell, get a lease drafted, why not? It makes perfect sense to. But what he shouldn't do is say "you own stuff let me use it for free so I can save money".
>I'd definitely not want a person who isn't my husband to invest money in my house that I own.
Paying your own way isn't investing in the home as I see it, but again, it's something you both decided and agreed was reasonable mutually. OPs GF has different expectations and, as mature adults, should be able to talk about it and come to an agreement. He's just expecting free rent, and that's it, which is profiting off of her at that point, and didn't suggest paying more on bills with the money he'd be saving, or at least offering to help with taxes and maintenance. That's manchild moocher behavior.

>>32316137
Not absurdity, it’s called reality. Actions are what show you reality, not bad faith misery cooked up in your own head over gas money. If you think your friend is a mooch for not paying for gas, you can find out really quick by asking him for a favour. (Hard mode: Don’t ask for $$$).

>>32316142
Jesus is this how relationships work in America? No wonder you guys have that 51% divorce rate. You Americlaps even lawyer financially around love and romance to the point of drafting up fucking leases lol. Do you have to wear a nice suit and have a solicitor present before sitting with the GF to draft up the lease? Should OP wear a bodycam too?

>>32316128
>Either way I have no idea. Sucks you had mooch friends if your story is true.
That would be the summation, as everything prior is speculative. Yes, I used to be naive and let "friends" take advantage of me like that, and learned that lesson. It wasn't just "if it's on your way", or even occasionally, it was all the way out of my way, near daily, and at my expense.
>But no, you should not expect people to be psychic and automatically assume they have to pay you for your gestures of kindness
If you ask someone for a ride, especially consistently, you should always offer to pay them for their trouble. If they offer it to you, sure, that's on them, but if you're an adult and asking others for that sort of thing, you should never expect them to do it for free. Even just buying them food or something is enough to show that you respect their time and appreciate their help. The kindness is them driving you in the first place, that's already an effort, and the fact that it costs them money to do so is extra.
>when offered.
Operative words here, which I already addressed: if I offer, that's on me, I don't expect something. That isn't the problem, unless they're constantly offering, which would still make it on them and their fault, but at a point you should consider if you're taking advantage of them by accepting those offers all the time. If someone is constantly showering you with gifts and favors, it's probably not even because they're generous, they're probably mentally unwell and lonely, or trying to fuck you. You should at least offer something in return so that you aren't taking advantage.

>>32316163
Enjoy housing a bum for free that you can't get rid of due to squatting laws lmao. You should always have an agreement where you live and clear terms and expectations, even if it's not legally enforced. But do things your way, get saddled with a freeloader who the law will protect anyway regardless of not having a lease.

>>32316169
Ok, now that you’ve got all that out of the way, you can stop posting ITT

>>32316175
Yeah see the thing is I don’t make it a point to regard the person I love as a ‘bum’ or a ‘freeloader’. Do Americans lack self-awareness or something?

>If you are dating someone
>And you feel like you HAVE to make them sign a lease, or a prenup, or whatever legal document for your own protection
>Then it means you are dating someone who you believe can socially and financially harm you.
>So the question is: Why are you fucking dating them?

Common sense, ffs.

>>32316184
Make me kek
>>32316186
Then you would be naive and love-blinded. Despite how you feel about them, especially before moving in together, people can show their true colors later on. Moving in together is a big test for a relationship, and if it turns out that you're dating an adult child who expects everything done for them, free rent or bills, and all of this comes out after the fact, you'd regard them as a bum, and would be a fool to stay with them and accept that dynamic.
>>And you feel like you HAVE to make them sign a lease, or a prenup, or whatever legal document for your own protection
If you're dating someone with significant premarital assets and get upset that they ask for a prenup, then you probably are seeking to profit off of them. If anything, agreeing to something like a prenup means you're with them for the right reasons, not for profit potential, and agreeing to it is a display of that fact. Your argument sounds like gold-digger logic tbqhwyfam.

>>32316186
Stop taking the bait can’t you see what she’s doing

>>32316208
>ur just baiting!
aka, you have zero argument or capacity to elucidate it.

>>32315682
My brother and I co-owned a home a while back. When his girlfriend moved in she paid 1/3 of the monthly rental value for a couple of years. They got married and I sold my portion to them.
You would be fortunate to find a person willing to house you for free, and therefore an expectation of free boarding will lead you to much needless frustration and relationship turmoil. Negotiate a cheaper rate if possible, pay her, and if you eventually ask her for an engagement and she agrees then that would be the time to math out an equitable 1/2 split.

I see your point of view to some extent though; she wasn't going to rent the apartment but then decided to charge you when you decided to move in, so it feels like being taken advantage of. However that is not really the case. She owns the apartment and knows that your relationship may not work out. The other anon posting about the legal stuff is correct; you need to be on a conventional, standard renter's agreement until such time as you two become one.

>>32316142
She's the one who is trying to profit off of him by charging him rent, tho.
1200$/month comes out to about 15000$/year, which is almost surely more than half of what she spends for taxes, insurance and maintenance.

To give you a comparison, for a 2 bedroom apartment in a LCOL area I spend about 400$ a month for taxes and insurance.
30k is more than the estimate we received for property taxes, insurance and regular maintenance on a 5 bedroom house we've been looking at lol


>Paying your own way isn't investing in the home as I see it
It 100% is, legally and even just logically.
My house is mine, if my boyfriend breaks up with me the house will still be mine, he shouldn't be spending money to maintain it or for taxes. Even after we marry, he will not pay a penny in it because I want it to remain mine in case of divorce.
I'll rent this house out and we'll buy one together.

That they should be able to talk about it, sure.

>>32316204
>people can show their true colors later on
Not how it works. How it actually works is you only bothered to see their true colors later on. Make wiser choices in who you date and notice red flags instead of feigning ignorance to them.

>Moving in together is a big test for a relationship
Also why it should only happen until marriage, but a lot of yanks love to have their cake before the supper.

>if it turns out that you're dating an adult child who expects everything done for them, free rent or bills, and all of this comes out after the fact
After the fact my ass. You can observe this easily by noticing two things before dating:
>They are unemployed
>They live with parents
Not that hard.

>Your argument sounds like gold-digger logic tbqhwyfam.
Believe it or not, most of the world doesn’t insist on jewish inspired legalistic culture when it comes to love & marriage. America is seen as a bit of a joke for this reason. We watch your people sue their own children or mothers on TV for entertainment, and you wonder why you guys got a 51% divorce rate lol.

If anyone asks for a prenup, it means “I don’t see myself sharing a life with you.”

>>32316229
>She's the one who is trying to profit off of him by charging him rent, tho.
He's the one trying to profit off of her by wanting to not pay rent and only pay half of the monthly usage bills.
>which is almost surely more than half of what she spends for taxes, insurance and maintenance.
I don't see the significance of the specific amount, or why she should only ask for what her actual expenses are. You live somewhere, you pay to be there, and are entitled to rights for that fact. What amount is reasonable is whatever amount you mutually agree to. If 1200 a month is too much, say so, figure it out together.
>My house is mine, if my boyfriend breaks up with me the house will still be mine, he shouldn't be spending money to maintain it or for taxes. Even after we marry, he will not pay a penny in it because I want it to remain mine in case of divorce.
And that's all fine, because you're both clear on those terms, agree to them and are fine with them. You'll even have to draft a prenup to keep that premarital asset as yours in the divorce, which is perfectly reasonable. Whether or not his payments are more than what your costs are is irrelevant, and wholly up to the both of you to decide if it's fair. I don't think the idea of having an adult who lives with you pay a normal rent amount is unfair or anything, and I wouldn't expect to live for free or even for expenses-only with family, much less a partner or friend.

>>32316259
“What you have received for free, you should give for free”.

OP’s GF got the apartment bought and paid for her by her rich parents presumably. She got it for free. So demanding her own boyfriend pay rent (which she doesn’t) is absurd, romantically speaking. Legally is a different ballpark sure. But if you want a relationship that just encompasses legalism and transaction, marry a prostiute.

>>32315682
just stay in your own apartment and stop trying to be a leech.

>>32315975
nta but plenty of boyfriends already do that. have done so for years. where the hell have you been, living under a rock?

>>32316259
>He's the one trying to profit off of her by wanting to not pay rent and only pay half of the monthly usage bills.
He's not. Treating your partner like a roommate is weird. If she was asking for a minimal contribution to recoup part of her expenses I'd understand, but she's plainly trying to make money off of him by asking him 15k a year cash in exchange for no rights as a tenant or rights to the property he keeps investing into.

>You'll even have to draft a prenup to keep that premarital asset as yours in the divorce
Premarital assets are not split between partners in case of divorce where I live. He could make a claim to it if it was our marital home or he invested money in it, but it will not be the case.

>>32316232
>Not how it works. How it actually works is you only bothered to see their true colors later on.
Either you've never dated, or you've never dated someone who's manipulative and capable of hiding their worst traits. Good for you, frankly, because it sucks to find out the person they portrayed themselves to be was a facade, or that they have latent personality disorders that they hide well. Most people aren't psychologists who know all the signs to look for. Expressing a little due caution and protecting yourself is nothing less than reasonable.
>Also why it should only happen until marriage, but a lot of yanks love to have their cake before the supper.
Finding out that they're a slob/adult child/abuser/obnoxious and that you're incompatible to cohabitate only after becoming legally bound to them would be fucking awful.
>Not that hard.
I can soundly say you've never dated one, then kek. Plenty of working people that have their own place are still children when with someone romantically, and of course there's a whole demographic of men who say they want a partner/traditional values/whatever, when in fact they want a mommy to wash the shit stains from their undies while also expecting them to work a job. And again, manipulative people hide these things and they often don't show them until you're already living together.
>and you wonder why you guys got a 51% divorce rate lol.
Irrelevant shit-flinging, which I'll throw right back by remarking upon the brown Pajeet and muzzie hordes replacing your little island community.
>If anyone asks for a prenup, it means “I don’t see myself sharing a life with you.”
If someone refuses to marry with a prenup, it means "I'm only in this to dump you and take half your shit later".

>>32316291
>He's not.
He is gaining financially by not paying her rent. That is profiting.
>Treating your partner like a roommate is weird
Ultimately that's what you are until you're married because:
>in exchange for no rights as a tenant or rights
In pretty much all jurisdictions, you receive tenant rights by fact of longterm habitation, sometimes in very short timeframes like a couple weeks living somewhere, and that's regardless of having a lease or even paying rent or bills.
>Premarital assets are not split between partners in case of divorce where I live.
Interesting, here anything not explicitly excluded by way of a prenup becomes a joint asset regardless. Something to be aware of by jurisdiction, but if it wasn't that way in your area you asking for a prenup for that purpose would not be unreasonable or imply that you expect things to fail.
In any case, I do not see a single issue with expecting an adult to pay for their housing, nor for that amount to be greater than the bare-bones costs you incurr by housing them or your expenses in general. Yes, full market rate might be too much, but there's plenty of room for them to negotiate between that and zero.

>>32316273
based. OPs parents should gift him an apartment to live in so he doesn't need to worry about rent. and in the same town his GF's apartment is so they can meet whenever they want.

problem solved OP, time to call mom and dad.

>>32316319
>He is gaining financially by not paying her rent
Sure, like he's gaining financially by not buying Fortnite skins. I wouldn't call it profiting off fortnite skins.

>Ultimately that's what you are until you're married
No, it isn't. My boyfriend is not my roommate. I want him to live with me because it makes me happy that he's here when I come home from work, not because I want to make money to go skiing over the winter break. He lives here because I love him, not because it benefits me financially.

>>32316357
>retarded pickme mad when other women aren't as dumb as her and protect themselves
many such cases.

>>32316366
First, no. I love my boyfriend, he's happy to pay things for me, I'm happy to pay things for him.
Second, you do the opposite of protecting yourself and your interests by making a man invest in your property. You're only giving him ammo to make a claim on it.

>>32316385
not in my jurisdiction. my asset remains mine unless i add someone else's name to the deed which won't happen except for my own future children.

don't care how others handle their finances per se but OPs gf is based to protect herself from bums nonetheless, especially to keep squatters away (which is a far greater risk than someone profitting off of you; having to go to court for years to get that sack of shit out while he terrorizes you in your own home or murder you on a whim).

>>32316357
>Sure, like he's gaining financially by not buying Fortnite skins. I wouldn't call it profiting off fortnite skins.
If you are paying an expense, a normal expense as part of your survival, and enter into an arrangement where you no longer pay that expense thus lowering your total expenses, you have profited. If a job offers housing as part of your compensation, you are earning the housing by working, it is not free. I know public school neglects financial literacy, but come on, bud.
>No, it isn't. My boyfriend is not my roommate.
Legally he is, and he likely has rights to that effect granted by your jurisdiction's tenancy/habitation laws. It's more like you're his landlord, in fact, and if you wanted to get rid of him but he didn't want to leave, you'd have to file with the courts for eviction, just like a sub-let roommate or tenant.
>I want him to live with me because it makes me happy that he's here when I come home from work, not because I want to make money to go skiing over the winter break. He lives here because I love him, not because it benefits me financially.
That's great, good for you both, that doesn't negate the legal and practical implications of cohabitation. If you want to give him a free ride on your dime by not charging him to live in your property, that's your prerogative, but I would consider expecting that as a matter of course to be immature and unreasonable. Your parents can love you and want you around, too, but I wouldn't ever think it's unreasonable or disrespectful for them to charge you rent to live with them, just the opposite actually. If your partner expected and insisted that they should only have to pay half the usage expenses and otherwise live for free, I'd say they're likely to be a freeloader who seeks to profit off of what you own by not paying to live there. To me it's just the same as if you were renting an apartment and they moved in but didn't want to help pay rent because "you were paying it anyway".

>>32316385
>You're only giving him ammo to make a claim on it.
This is why I would recommend (not to you necessarily, but for the given situation in general) having a lease between a couple like this. It saves you from that kind of problem by establishing you as the owner and them as a (legally) renter, and the monies they pay do not grant them stake in the property. Call it overkill, paranoid, distrusting, but people have been and are fucked by trusting people too much and leaving too much interpretation of the facts up to the courts like that. Eviction is hard enough to go through as it is, much less when you have those kinds of conflicting factors muddying the waters and no contract establishing the fact that the property is solely yours and what limited rights they have to it.

>>32315682
People here saying this is justified are truly bizarre. The only leg to stand on is legal entitlement, and even then, making sure to charge extra to match market rates is fucked up. If you're asking someone to move in with you, I think it can be surmised that you're throwing your lot in together, that you're partners. Charging them full rent prices (when you fucking own the place, no less,) is deranged. People here saying they don't want to be taken advantage of by mooches by offering car rides for free and shit. Exercise some social competence and judge on a person-by-person and situational basis if they're taking advantage of you. Same for the apartment - one should be able to tell if they're partner is using them for housing. If that's the case, you have bigger problems than them not paying you a grand a month. If not, you should be happy you can help them out of a crappy living situation like OP is in

>>32315682
You are a loser. Your gf should ditch your freeloading ass

>>32316397
>my asset remains mine unless i add someone else's name to the deed
Look into it very carefully, having someone contribute to your mortgage especially can be pretty costly.

>especially to keep squatters away
Making him pay rent would not change anything in this regard.

>>32316413
For my job, housing me would come at additional cost for them and lesser cost for me. For her, him living with her would come at a lesser cost for her (since she'd save on bills).
I would say they both are saving money from living together. If she charges him rent, she'd be profiting off of him.

>Legally he is
No, roommates and partners have different rights where I am at.

I also find partners who ask their kids rent to be absolutely weird.

>>32316481
>For my job, housing me would come at additional cost for them and lesser cost for me. For her, him living with her would come at a lesser cost for her (since she'd save on bills).
It's the same argument for your job "they were already paying for/owned the place" which for many jobs that offer full-time room and board, they do, yet you wouldn't say they're taking advantage of you by paying you less because they compensate you by providing room and board.
>If she charges him rent, she'd be profiting off of him.
If she doesn't, he's profiting off of her by using her for free room and board. You can slice it either way, the point is: the fact that she owns the property is irrelevant, he should be paying his own way and carrying his own weight. He can negotiate for better terms, but that's not his expectation, he's simply expecting to pay half of utilities and calling it "even" when it's not. Just the same, I'd never expect someone in my family to do their profession for me for free, or even for a reduced cost, because I respect them and the reason I'm using their service is to support them, not for a handout or for benefits. To me, paying them the full value of what they're providing is respectful.
>No, roommates and partners have different rights where I am at.
I would be curious to know your jurisdiction, because everywhere in the US I'm aware of, you're either married or you're cohabitating adults, and dating isn't a legally recognized category. Meaning that if you're the homeowner and someone is living with you, they're your tenant regardless of your personal relationship, and so are entitled to those same rights. There's some gray area with common law marriage (not in effect everywhere, rarely ever even used in court, much less actually recognized, with no set standard on what constitutes it) but even then the change is that you're legally considered married. I'm not aware of anywhere that legally recognizes a dating but unmarried couple that way.

>>32316573
>using her for free room and board
But he isn't? He's paying for a portion of the food and the expenses. She's not giving him free food and board.

>the fact that she owns the property is irrelevant
I disagree. The fact that she's paying very little to maintain a property but expects him to give her a large sum of money means she's actively making money from having her boyfriend live with her.
Which is different from both partners saving money (even if he of course would be saving more), which would be the case if he doesn't pay her rent.

>>32316605
>But he isn't? He's paying for a portion of the food and the expenses. She's not giving him free food and board
He's enriching himself by using her wealth to reduce his spending. That's profiting off of her. You're focusing on what she needs to spend and calling "even" at what they each pay monthly, but that ignores the fact that he's reducing his expenses significantly by moving in to a property she owns, and so is profiting from her pre-existing wealth. If she was okay with that and agreed to it, then that would be fine, but I certainly don't think it's unreasonable or bad for her to not want that, and to expect him to pay something for the fact of living there. Again, market rate is a bit much, but zero is also too little imo and would be too close to supporting him for comfort. In marriage, what's yours is theirs, but dating? Nah, that's being taken advantage of to me.
>Which is different from both partners saving money (even if he of course would be saving more), which would be the case if he doesn't pay her rent.
Which is why he should have an adult conversation with her and find a middle ground where they both feel happy and comfortable. For her, free rent isn't comfortable obviously, and for some reason he feels *any* rent isn't reasonable. There's plenty of room in the middle to compromise, but if they can't compromise then I'd say this whole situation is a good thing, because inability to compromise is incompatibility, and should be a sign that the relationship isn't right for them.

>>32316662
>He's enriching himself by using her wealth to reduce his spending
She is also reducing her spending by having him move in with her. Having him live with her and split the billswould significantly reduce her expenses.
What is weird is enriching yourself by charging the person you love and want to raise your kids with rent for sleeping in your bed in the house that you own.

I agree it is something they can talk out and decide a good rate if there needs to be rent, but I'd definitely think it's weird as fuck to make money off of your bf (not save money, actively make money).

>>32316765
>She is also reducing her spending by having him move in with her. Having him live with her and split the billswould significantly reduce her expenses.
Maybe, maybe not, my belief is that it's irrelevant what she pays or does not pay for housing specifically, and that this also doesn't have any bearing on what he should pay to live there. Monthly bills might even increase if one or the other is a poor spender, or uses more of something.
>What is weird is enriching yourself by charging the person you love and want to raise your kids with rent for sleeping in your bed in the house that you own.
Who's to say their relationship is even at that point yet? They may still be establishing those kinds of compatibilities. I would find it very weird, no matter who it is to me or what their circumstances are, to expect to live somewhere for free. If my parents owned their own home outright, had millions in savings, I still wouldn't consider it unreasonable for them to charge rent to live with them as an adult, much less would I expect my partner to give me a free ride just because they own something. I don't see a dating relationship as one in which you need to share your wealth or the benefits of your wealth with the other person. Until you're married, aside from occasional gifts or meals, they should both support themselves. If I was dating a girl who didn't have a car and I owned two, I don't think it would be reasonable for her to expect me to just let her have or use the car just because I own more than one, and her being presumptuous in that way would be a turn-off for me. I don't look at what others have jealously, or expect that I should gain from it. To me, living in someone's house for free would be gaining from them, and I wouldn't do that unless everyone was comfortable with it and the terms were clear. To each their own, I guess, not my kind of relationship.

>>32315682
All this talk for a GF who wants $1,200 doing nothing

60% of this thread is just one deranged loonie lmao
why did they get rid of IPs?

we should even have IDs here

She's your girlfriend. If you can't work out how you're going to live together how are you going to get married?
Legally someone will get screwed in the divorce.
>>32315743
Legit. Squatters and common-law is an issue in lib cities.
>>32316273
She got it for free. He did not. Don't covet other people's families

>>32315682
Three possibilities no one seems to be considering, not even op:
1) She's lying and she doesn't own it and she needs help paying the rent but her parents need to save face that they had to sell it or some nonsense
2) Her best friend / college roommate used to live there, maybe before OP ever met her, and she "needs" that $1200 to pay for her car loan or drug addiction or WTF it doesn't matter as long as she used to get $1200 and wants it again.
3) This is some insane chick logic where if she makes living with her outside marriage intolerable and absolute hell then OP is supposed to magically figure out all on his own that she wants him to ask her to marry her or something like that to avoid all this hassle. It's womanthink it doesn't have to make sense.
I'm old enough that I've seen some stuff and none of the above would surprise me.

>>32315682
Pay with cash or suck her dick.
Your choice