>>32323039
are you gay?

I can't play guitar. I tried learning to play the piano, but I still couldn't play guitar. So then I learn drums, but that didn't help either. Are some people just not meant to play guitar?

>>32323095
No
>>32323222
I don’t understand you

You might want to check out services from professionals who specialize in helping people with these issues. Those likes psychologists, many therapists, or speech language pathologists, can all give you instruction for how to help yourself communicate more effectively.

>>32323039
>I used to think it was because I was insecure
You are insecure. It sounds like you still see yourself today the same way you did when you were broke and fat. You have to start liking yourself before anyone else will.

I'm the same. I fuck up with any foid that approaches me. I self-sabotage completely.

>>32323377
Shut the fuck up nigger, you "people" always say this stupid shit but never how. It doesn't matter how many drugs and hookers and alchohol you flush yourself with or how many drunken affairs you're a part of with turbo whores who'd give it up to anyone, things just never work out for some people you fucking moron

>>32324276
Seethe.

>>32324444
typical useless reply from the advice board. checked btw

>>32324276
This post was written by someone who is deeply insecure. You basically proved his point lmao.

>>32324491
What's the fix loser?

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>>32324510
Nigger do you really need how-to instructions on how to stop hating yourself? Do you think such a thing even exists?
And even if it did, I still wouldn't tell you because it wouldn't help you and be totally counter-productive. The journey and the self-discovery is the whole point.

>>32324580
>oh uhhh just do it you should know by now
That's all just nonsense, that's a non answer, I have tried everything and it's still not enough. I bet my month has been more eventful than you're entire fucking year dipshit

>>32323039

as someone who spent years alone I had my first date recently, made it to first base but then she ghosted me but I continue to improve and talking and flirting with women is getting easier, you just have to practice and observe how normies interact

>>32324606
>I bet my month has been more eventful than you're entire fucking year dipshit
Oh? Weird flex that has nothing even to do with what we're talking about. But even so...I bet you it hasn't.

>>32324645
does going out and doing shit not pertain to self discovery or are you telling me to find a religon? what does this nonsense about self discovery even mean?

>>32324652
>does going out and doing shit not pertain to self discovery
It does. But where are you getting the idea your month is more eventful than my year? I've been "going out and doing shit" my whole life, retard.

>>32324715
alright, that was stupid, I was high. But you still haven't answered the question, what does it mean? If you don't have an answer, your input is meaningless and you have no ground to stand on

>>32324510
The "fix" is to go to weekly therapy and actually start to unravel the decades of mental bullshit you've built up about yourself, about the world,and about how you relate to the world so you can actually be the best version of yourself that you actually can be.
You want some cheap easy "fix" like a magic pill or something, but that's literally just another fantasy you've built up in your head -> that everyone else is actually just stupid because they can't explain years of self improvement to you in a single sentence, and the reason you're miserable is because you're just SO much smarter than everyone else and you've totally "tried" everything already (except anything that actually works).
There's a reason it takes people YEARS to unravel all their shit. It's not a quick fix.
And yes, the short answer is: Stop being insecure. Its literally that simple.
Now before you get pissed SIMPLE doesn't mean EASY.
Like "how do you climb Mt. Everest?"
Duh, you walk up it, one foot at a time. It's literally that simple. That doesn't mean it's easy.
You think that "simple" and "easy" are the same thing, they are not.

The first step is actually admitting to yourself that you are insecure. Once you recognize it, then you can actually start seeking real help. The second step is the hard part: figuring out who or what put that insecurity in your head in the first place, and unlearning all that accumulated crap that makes you lash out so emotionally at anyone actually trying to help or criticize you.
And that's why therapists go to school for like a decade, to literally be professionals at walking you through that learning process.

Or you can keep being an angry sad bitch. The choice is yours.

>>32324580
Hey OP, I want you to read this pic comic again, because it's hilariously relevant. I'm also gonna explain the joke and why it's so relevant. If you haven't figured it out, the dog petting is a metaphor for talking to women.

>How do I talk to women?
>You just talk to them.
>But how???
>You just... Talk to them.
>But howwww???? I tried that!!!!

Now here's the reason why you fail at this task. Firsthow a normie talks to women:

>Normie: Hi how's it going.
>Girl: I'm good, you?
>(Normie infernally: she seems nice)

That's how you talk to women, and have a normal internal self dialogue. Here's what you do:

>You: Hi how's it going.
>Girl: I'm good, you?
>(You infernally:
> Oh my fucking god I'm so fucking stupid jesus fucking christ what am I doing oh my god I bet she thinks I'm stupid I bet she thinks I'm stupid I'm so fucking stupid why am I like this Jesus Christ just say something holy fucking shit just say something god damn it you worthless price of shit FUCK your blanking out oh my god focus focus focus focus focus oh my god I'm sweating)

See, a normal person just TALKS to the woman. A normal person just PETS the dog.
But you're not doing that. You're having an internal crisis self-monitoring every physiological activity going on in your body and doubting your every mental process that you can't actually focus on a conversation.
You have to unlearn that shit first.

>>32324844
>If you don't have an answer, your input is meaningless and you have no ground to stand on
>if you don't answer the way *I* want you to, through the parameters I set, then your answer is meaningless
Anon let's make something very clear first of all, you have absolutely no power here, and you don't get to set the terms. You're here because you need help and so you can learn, so STFU and maybe you'll learn.
What does what mean? Not hating yourself? Well you speak English right? Do I have to break the words down one by one for you? You have to understand it's a hard question to answer, because for most people not hating themselves is the default. I said you still likely see yourself the same way as you did when you were broke and fat, and you didn't disagree. So you tell me then...why?
I'm sure there's an answer there, but like I said you have to go on a journey of self-discovery to find it. Something you refuse to do. I can't do it for you and neither can anyone else, all we can do is show you the way. You can report back to me and tell me what you find. Not the other way around buddy.

>>32325287
You're really full of yourself faggot, your advice blows, all these words, and yet you just reiterate this goofy notion of self discovery, like I'm going to have some sudden epiphany that changes everything around out of the blue, you're not giving any direction at all as to what exactly that entails, it's almost like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
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I already do go to therapy, it doesn't particulary help much except as a small outlet

>>32325321
>like I'm going to have some sudden epiphany
No one ever said it would be sudden. It might take you years. Before you were bragging about having an "eventful month" as if that's supposed to impress anybody, well my friend a month is not a long time.
>it's almost like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about
Nope, I know exactly what I'm talking about. You're just a faggot who is too arrogant to realize his position and too impatient to learn. The fact you so strongly resist the concept of self-discovery, the very thing you need to do the most, is not a good sign. You seriously need to humble yourself in the worst way.

>>32325321
>I already do go to therapy, it doesn't particulary help much except as a small outlet
Well the outlet itself is still good. How long have you been going?
It took me about 6 months of therapy to stop the daily panic attacks. It took about a year of weekly sessions to conquer the suicidal ideation. And it took me about an additional 2 or 3 years to really iron out all the kinks and really learn to love and respect myself.
Though of course, timelines can vary. Everyone's situation is unique. My therapist said my recovery time for my situation was relatively fast. I insisted on 1 to 2 hr sessions weekly too, because I didn't want to spend a decade figuring myself out.
I'm doing great now.

>>32325356
>concept of self-discovery
you can't even tell me what that is, conceptually. useless. shut up and fuck off I'm going to bed
>>32325382
some weeks now

>>32325427
>you can't even tell me what that is, conceptually.
It's when you travel inward, learn about yourself, learn what makes you tick and what made you the way you are. Retard. It's right there in the fucking name.

>>32325183
Thanks man you’re right. BTW the guy raging at everyone isn’t me

>>32325523
No prob. Self-monitoring is kind of insidious, because if you've been doing it a long time, it feels natural and it's hard to imagine being any other way. But it's not natural, it's neurotic, and you absolutely can unlearn it.
Self-monitoring stresses us out because it's literally the same feeling of someone watching you, breathing down your neck and criticizing you... Except that person doing that is literally yourself.
Nobody likes being watched, so why would we do that to ourselves?
It's unkind behavior. Be kind to yourself, and give yourself some slack.
You wouldn't breath down a friend's neck like that, so be your own best friend and treat yourself how you would a friend.

Do you have examples of your conversations word for word? What seems to make them go wrong? Are you too boring? Don't know how to keep the flow of conversation? Don't understand how to be funny? Don't know which questions to ask?

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>>32323039
>Nothing I can do it seems, doesn’t matter if I’m talking in person or online I just can’t do it.
What does this even mean? What is "just can't do it"? You're talking to us right now, so clearly you know how to talk, you're not mute or 100% retarded.
Use your words, and actually explain what you mean. What are you doing or not doing, and what do you expect should happen?
My guess is you have some sort of fantasy script in your head of how a "woman talk" is "supposed to go" and you freak out because reality doesn't meet your strange scenario you've made up in your head.

>>32323355
Why can't women not be judgemental unsympathetic sociopaths?

>>32323039

>> meant to

No one is guiding your life but you. The only one who decides what you do and don't do is you. Go outside and learn social skills if you want to be able to date one day.

Take responsibility for yourself and your life choices. Whatever happens, or doesn't happen, in your life is entirely on you