The world is so shitty now, I can't imagine growing up in this decade.
>>32326495>The world is so shitty nowSame as it ever was
I wouldn’t blame you if you don’t want kids for that very reason, but imo family is the single most important thing in a person’s life. If somebody asked me what I thought the meaning of life was, I’d say family. For as much of a pain in the ass as they can be, they fill you with this meaning and purpose that is unmatched by anything else. If you don’t want kids, at least try to have a good relationship with your parents and siblings (if you have any).
>>32326598Well nothing matters. When your family is dead you're next. And tons of parents kids barely speak to them. Life is just awful.
>>32326495Don't fall for their scheme.
>>32326495The world is only as good or bad as its people. And if you know you wish to be a good parent and raise a child to be a good person, then you should have kids. If you back out and whine about how the world is too bad then there’s a word for that - cowardice.
>>32326598>family is the most importsnt thing in life Maybe if you grew up with the brady bunch or the jeffersons, but for the rest of us, family is a bunch of liars, losers, rapists, drunks, hypocrites, and idiots who contribute nothing to the world but their own self-absorbed idiocy
>>32328061Family is the most important thing in life, even if your family are a bunch of liars, losers, rapists, drunks, hypocrites and idiots. You prove they are the most important thing simply by being affected by them down to the core, even if the effect is dysfunction and trauma, it’s still the most important thing, otherwise, you’d have no dysfunction or trauma. Besides anon all it means is more glory by overcoming and defeating an entire generational cycle of bullshit and raising kids right and embodying the family you wish you had. You get to create a good family with your own two hands from scratch. It’s hard, but it’s worth it.
>>32328050You can make the world a better place yourself instead of bringing kids into it, raising them in your moral image, and dispatching them to propagate a lineage of good vibes
>>32328050False dichotomy. If op is mentally ill, poor, stupid, or unfit as a parent then he shouldn't have kids and his or her retreat isn't cowardice, it is preventing another person from being fucked up and repeating the cycle. I'm the same so I can't and won't have kids, not only cause no woman wants to see my naked penis, but cause I don't want to repeat the cycle of trudging through life, aimless, mentally ill, poor, dumb, and full of pain and hurt. You would know if you've lived it but evidently you haven't, hence why you believe it is a simple case of cowardice. I don't want that for someone else.
>>32326495its what you choose to make of it, you can either be a bad parent who abuses/neglects their kids or be a good one and raise a good person, who can do good things.
>>32328097to add onto this if its about specifically bringing in new life to the world you could always adopt.
>>32328095No, it’s not a false dichotomy, it’s cowardice. I’m not judging cowardice harshly by the way. I’m just calling a spade a spade though. When someone is defeatist, and gives up without a fight, hell, gives up without even starting, then the correct word is cowardice/cowardly/coward.
>>32328090Nope, you're wrong. You don't pick and choose your family, you don't pick and choose the sort of influence they'll have n and on your formative years. The "family" you idealize is the family that latches onto you and cements itself in your psyche, like a bunch of parasites, and just drag you down. You don't know just how destructive and damaging that can be. How the fuck is that "important"? Something you have to do because of how "meaningful" it is? If that is what you call meaning then you and I have two separate ideas of what family is and what constitutes meaning in one's personal life, because a bunch of losers, morons, idiots, egotistical motherfuckers, drunks, hypocrites, perverts, and rapists are not "family", nor should they ever be.
>>32328113You don't know what you speak of. OP should not have kids just to say they tried their hand at having kids because the "experiment" you're suggesting would have real world consequences and a potentially life long impact on another individual human being and their development. If you're so hell-bent on labelling childlessness as "cowardice", then fine, i'll concede and call it cowardice, but you don't need to have a kid to find out you'd be a shitty parent if are broke, unattentive, stupid, lazy, dumb, poor, mentally ill, and not at all invested or interested in raising kids. Raising kids isn't just giving them an ipad and some hot cheetos while you go out to drink because you're a fucking loser who makes poor decisions and doesn't plan their life out.
If u live in the US ur kid might get groomed to be a tranny lol
>>32328120You’re right, you don’t get to pick and choose family and how your formative years go. But as an adult, you have every choice to play it different. You can even choose to excel and become functional precisely because you despise dysfunction so much. >You don't know just how destructive and damaging that can be.Yes I do. I won’t bother talking about the violence and abuse I lived through, but believe me when I say it. Yes, I do. I know exactly what that is like. >How the fuck is that "important"? Something you have to do because of how "meaningful" it is?It’s important because it’s your life. Even if its a broken life, a broken life is still important. I’d dare say more important than a ‘normal’ life, because there is important work to be done, such as survival, healing, and eventual thriving and escaping generational trauma. >because a bunch of losers, morons, idiots, egotistical motherfuckers, drunks, hypocrites, perverts, and rapists are not "family", nor should they ever be.Reality is a cruel bitch. The fact is, you are biologically family to them, and you even inherit parts of their psychology. Like you said, your formative years were bent and broken. You were hard-wired by them whether you hate it or not. You will always be your father’s son, that’s how it is. So surpass your father, aim higher, and finish what your family could not - find actual peace by making it with your own two hands. Be the one who creates a family that betrays the cursed lineage entirely.
>>32327887I can’t bring myself to think like this
I'm having my first kid very soon. I have also thought about the state of the world many times. The decline of public schooling, the lackadaisical attitude of most parents who've had kids in the past decade, and the intense polarization of views that I attribute to culture wars. All are really nasty. I'm the only one in my friend group having a kid now and for my income level/age, am probably one of the very few choosing to have a child.But I've always wanted a kid ever since I was a kid myself. I would be devastated to give up just because of macro issues. I would be rejecting a part of myself.Ask yourself what a kid will bring for YOU, and more importantly what a family will bring for YOU, and if the means to do so are readily achievable. If they aren't, whether it be due to money, cashflow or laws in your area, those are all things that you can mitigate (with laws, consider moving to a different state). But issues out of your control should not be in your calculus. The world may get worse--or even better--in ten years and you have no way to predict it. If you're not ready to deal with that kind of risk and unpredictability that's a personal problem; introspect on why this is the case and then make your choice. There are plenty of fine people out there who's best decision is to not have children. Perhaps that's you, anon. One thing for sure: it's not something you can undo.
>>32326495The world is no more shitty than at any other time in history. Far less so than most of history. You're just a self entktled fuck with unrealistic expectations of life. You don't need to worry about having children, you can't even get a woman to talk to you let alone fuck and have a baby.
>>32328451addendum:>that's a personal problemI didn't mean to insinuate that you're a bad person if you don't have kids. Rather being a personal "problem" it's just a personal question that only you can answer. The only wrong answer is one influenced by shit that's out of your control.
>>32327887>Well nothing mattersIf nothing matters then why would things being shitty bother you?
>>32328090>>32328173Not sure if you're just a diehard Christfag but convincing broken people to have children is foolish.>there is important work to be done, such as survival, healing, and eventual thriving and escaping generational trauma...so surpass your father, aim higher, and finish what your family could not - find actual peace by making it with your own two hands.This can all be done without having children. Children are not required for self-actualization.I do think some people will come to the conclusion that they can be good parents eventually. But it's better to just encourage them to improve as people, and then they can come to their own conclusion as to if they want children or not. Chances are they probably still won't but that's a good thing.
>>32326495If you would like to have kids it's your duty to give it a shot. You have to respect your heart's desires. "But what if the world becomes too hard to live in?" That would be up to them to figure out, not you. Nothing is ever easy. We just try to do our best.
>>32328511>Chances are they probably still won't but that's a good thing.>That’s a good thingStop pretending to care about ‘broken people’ then. They are people with a broken life, but they’re not broken people. There is a wholeness underneath the brokenness, always is, it’s just a matter of unearthing it under the debris of trauma and dysfunction.You however regard them as broken people who are not meant to procreate or to enjoy the pleasure of becoming a father or sharing joy with offspring. You think it’s a good thing that they are cheated out of that. And you pretend to know and care about what they are and what they do.I am not trying to convince them to have children, I am trying to convince them to let go of the idea that they cannot/should not have children. The belief they can’t and should not comes from despair, that isn’t a choice, that is a feeling of a lack of choice. If they choose to have kids or not, let it be out of what they truly want, unhindered and uninformed by trauma. Yet you want to keep them stuck with the idea they should not have kids.
>>32326495only the most narcissist retards i know are having kids right now and that makes me not want to
>>32326495It's actually the best the world has ever been. People used to just starve or die to horrible diseases. In fact it is more ethical to bring children into the world now than it ever has been before.
>>32329865It's not that it's good now, it's just that it was even worse before.
>>32326495while you're thinking that most poor people in my third world country is having at least 3 kids before they are 25I get that there is a level of uncertainty that educated people can grasp better than the unwashed and uneducated masses but I've come to believe I kinda wanna have one or two to lord over these people instead of just leaving the throng of poor people to fend for themselves in a future where every educated and wealthy person has either died or fucked off to another planet.
>>32329894Bad, compared to what? Your fleeting little abstract fantasies? Have kids, otherwise you're preventing them from existing.
>>32326495I hate to tell you no but way things are going with AI and the world economy might not be worth it for them, uncertain times with no sign that things will end up good. This time it's different, least in times before the industrial revolution your offspring were always guaranteed professions usually within the family on a farm most of the time but now? We might not have enough work for everyone and I doubt UBI if implemented will be a comfortable amount.>>32328167This as well, few of my former friends troon'd out hard and two killed themselves so far.. pretty grim.
>>32328403Well I didn't have to bring myself to think like that it was a natural consequence of life
>>32326495NoooooooooooooooooooooYou should not
>>32326495I don't think anyone should be having kids. Reproduction seems immoral to me.
>>32326495I won't read kike propaganda intended to promote White genocide.
>>32326495Turn that around - who is going to improve the world other than your kids?My children will make the world a better place.
>>32326495> The world is so shitty nowIt is more important that you have children than it is for people who think that everything is fine.
>>32326495no, shit's grim
