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tested out picrel's advice today and while i was ignoring people too much to notice if it did have an effect, i noticed a fun effect in me: i felt more relaxed just focusing on myself. lower that awareness radius, fellas. don't be a scared bird

Is 26M and 20F too big of a wage gap? Also we both will be 27 and 21 in a month.

>>32328516
I mean age gap. Typo.

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>>32328522
Unironically depends on your wage gap

>>32328452
>dude just be tall and handsome
what a waste of a post

>>32328415
Is dating a trans girl different than dating a cis one?

>>32328516
no? who cares

Told a girl at work I like pomegranates and she said she has a pomegranate tree behind her house, and she said if she was still working there when they're in season she'll bring me some. Just being nice? Or sign of interest?

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>>32328516
Who cares, if she herself is fine with the gap what's the issue? Worried 30+ year old women will bitch at you?

>>32328755
>Is dating a trans girl different than dating a cis one?
Obviously, for one men don't get periods and the emotional swings that can come from that.

>>32328516
>be 31
>start messaging this girl in a mutual friend group
>we bounce off each other extremely well
>have met up a handful of times and unless I'm absolutely retarded I'm pretty sure I'm detecting some signs of mutual attraction
>but is 19
DAMMIT

>>32329240
If you are going to let age gaps get in the way you are going to have a much smaller pool of women to date.

>>32329340
That's more than just a gap, it's over a decade

>>32329359
My mom was 23 and my dad was 39 when I was born, at some point people becoming consenting adults.

Do I need to alter my strategy at all if I only want girls with big booba?

>>32329936
How come are big tiddy girls? DD and higher seem rare where I'm at.

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>>32329962
Every girl has the potential to have massive tits.

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>>32330029
You know what you are absolutely right.

How do I get pictures for dating apps?
Besides the obvious bathroom mirror type shit

Also this girl complimented my jacket today, should I have flirted with her? I just said thanks and moved along

>>32328415
I want to find or attract a woman that wants to like make me her boy toy for sex, like a woman that views me as someone to be a caretaker of and (although I can't have sex until my penis head gets less sensitive after circumcision sugery a few years ago) wants to like have me for sex, maybe a few years older than me, 3 or 4 years older, a little chunky and homely but well groomed, light brown or darker blonde hair, nice and kind and understanding and actually wants me. Maybe in my head I'm thinking of the only type of woman who would realistically want me is very mucha girl next door that wants to be a caretaker/ in charge of (not so much of an invalid as I am not an invalid) but she is more capable and I am less type of deal. My IQ is 107, I am below average in attractiveness but I am 20, where can I find a woman that rather than me use her, she uses, loves and looks after me but I am not oppressing her, she is more capable and has the power in the relationship and I do the man stuff for her. Idk. Where can I find a woman like this? Maybe 3 or 4 years older yeah, man, I am turned on just writing this. Thanks I want to be wanted you know, because realistically I am not wanted by women right now, or accepted.

>>32328415

Picrel looks mad. If a woman looks like this in public, leave her alone even if you're in a social situation.

>>32330542
that's emma watson. Would you mind giving your thoughts on my post here: >>32330529 ?

>>32329359
yea just no anon. she probably browses tiktok all day and will cheat on you with someone her age. also two different stages of life. move on

>>32330992
Why're you phrasing that as if I'm on the fence or something, I know not to even bother

>>32331225
wtf just move on kid. why the attitude? lol.

>>32331225
You don't deserve it either way, you're such a pussy that you had to go on anonymous internet forum to ask a bunch of strangers for permission to fuck some girl you get along with, and not just any strangers, a bunch of internet obsessed autistic losers to boot.

Don't know what to do with this situation, figure I'll post it here.

>girl in uni class
>have class together 2x a week
>consistently talk before and after class
>have walked and grabbed coffee on campus together before class a few times
>once after class she even let me ride in her car because it mine was on the opposite side of campus
>today
>wanted to get her number before I left on a trip, I wanted to keep in touch with her because I'd be gone for a couple weeks.
>asked for her number after class, said I wanted to keep in touch because I'd be missing a few classes and wanted to know what I would miss
>she said she would be missing classes over Thanksgiving and asked another classmate to offer me their number

Definitely felt like a soft rejection, wish I had been more honest and told her that I simply wanted to keep in touch with her while I was away. On one hand, I feel like I should move on, in my mind, if she was interested she would've given me her number regardless. On the other hand, she helped me given how I asked her for her number (to stay in touch with someone in the class) and I shouldn't throw in the towel just yet. What do you guys think?

>>32331416
You can use this a learning experience, next time be more direct and assertive. Tell her you want to keep in touch with her because you enjoy spending time together and think she's cute, no extra fluff, no awkward body movements, no shifty eyed expressions, just looking her direct in the eyes and tell her what you really think.

Unless you have some outstanding quality, such as status, money, big dick, scumbag charisma, etc. then there's no point trying to get a girlfriend. The average woman has a gorillion options available to her. She has a queue of men on standby. Why the fuck would she go out with YOU unless you have any of the above? You're just wasting your time and potentially humiliating yourself for nothing.

>sit in a corner in a bar and make out with a girl
>i hold her by her waist, sometimes i literally just grab her ass
>but when making out i try to touch her tit she (not forcefully, but still) moves my hand away
What is the logic there?

>>32331872
I think we simply do it out of habit because this is how humanity has survived for thousands of years, it only started to get this bad 10/15 years ago

>>32331883
Most normal guys with gfs are fucking miserable anyway, because their women become ungrateful whores who secretly resent the fact they never got Chad.

>>32328415
How do I meet new women?
>24 yo virgin
>only friends to go out are ygo player incels like me
>most of my girl classmates already have a boyfriend/they ghost me
>work remotely and all the chicks are also married/with bfs
>all my hobbies are outdors
>my parents never let me do anything/i have to explain everything to them like I am a child
>never been in a bar alone

any hope for a 6’8 white male to get a 18-24 year old pale white virgin female before they go extinct ? I’m 30 and have been trying since I was 13.

>>32332164
If you're here you already know there's no hope left

>>32332173
I try cold approach and have 100% rejection rate

>>32332176
cold approach in 2024
maybe ur ngmi bro.
you need to be socialmediaxxing
shit is cringe i know but look at the stats.
if ur in college u can get away with it tho, maybe at work even. idk i guess it depends. but the internet is the way imo

>>32332191
I don’t want social media that’s how people ruin your life plus I’ve spent $500 on dating sites they don’t work

>>32332199
they dont work cuz ur not chad. i know shit sucks. but neither am i. idk maybe u can just cold approach. expect failure tho. shits a numbers game too so.

>>32332243
I’m white and only attracted to white females

>>32332252
yea whatever thats fine. but get out there and just cold approach i guess. idk

>>32332254
Where should I

>>32332254
maybe try school. just be chill. dont force it. parties are good. work is dicey especially if u get paid well and like it. up to u for risk tho. try bars. clubs. difficult but maybe it can work if ur attractive enough

>>32332258
sorry meant to reply to u not other guy lol

>>32332265
>>32332265
I’m 30 so I can’t stay in freshman dorms and everyone at work dates eachother but I always get rejected and the whites that don’t wear tattoos and piercings have black children. I tried going to a bar it has loud music and old women. I have more in common with 18 year olds I don’t drink or do drugs and I just like feet not actual sex, I’m saying this so I don’t seem creepy. I would prefer an asexual girl.

>>32332283
damn. ok. asexual is tricky because most normal ppl irl are obviously into sex and shit. i know the internet has failed u but maybe consider giving it a try. at least u can be open upfront on ur profile about it. just difficult irl. not impossible but normies tend to not like it imo. also dont go look for a relationship if that makes sense. shit comes to u when u least expect it. sounds generic but can help with mindset. also try experiencemaxxing too. doesnt hurt if possible

>>32332288
The problem is I have asked out women that are old, covered in tattoos and piercings. I don’t find them attractive but they still reject me. “Ghost me”. I don’t like the OLD because women could say they are asexual but have a past of fucking nogs.

>>32332296
yea i feel u. dating sucks. ur gonna have to change things up and try something diff tho if u want to see any change ya know. rejection is a part of the process if ur nonchad. u gotta get used to it and just keep moving forward. ive been there myself.
treat life kinda like a game. dont get stuck on the same lv and whatever.
again ur preferences really rule out a lot of ppl so dont expect much. but dont lose hope and become a doomer if that makes sense

>>32328452
>good face and tall
No shit sherlock

>>32332191
what should social media look like to attract women? people talk about social media as the key but there are so few tips about what to actually post

>>32332313
Why the attitude bro. What do you suggest people do then? Be constructive. We can have productive conversations instead of just being doomers. Give people some game. Maybe it will help them

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Even though we are all literally in Hell and society is collapsing into total chaos, everyone is too depressed and demoralized to give a shit or enact real change.

There is no point to voting, because no matter who you vote for the System will ensure the status quo remains 1:1 with how it was in the previous administration.
There is no point to education, because degrees no longer matter, the white collar industry is dead and professors care more about indoctrination than teaching.
There is no point to dating, because the gender war has become so critical that most men are terminally alone and most women are okay with being single moms or spinsters.
There is no point to consuming entertainment, because all of it is terrible. Movies suck, games suck, music sucks, anime suck, YouTube sucks, everything is just content now.
There is no point to self-improvement, because genetics and childhood trauma impact your entire life and you cannot do anything besides cope about things getting better.
There is no point to saving money or starting a family or trying to own a home or get a stable career or make a name for yourself, because the West only wants to outsource all of this.

People constantly tell me I am in a negative mindset, meanwhile everyone outside is shambling around like the living dead. Tempers are shorter than ever, IQs are lower than ever, no one knows how to control their emotions and tribalism is at an all time high. Humanity has literally regressed back into a hunter-gatherer mindset despite progressivism, but we have zero of the freedom or physical advantages afforded to cavemen.

Reality is now converging with the Mouse Utopia and Stanford Prison Experiment. 80-20 is taken as law. Jews run every sector of the world. Fractional reserve banking won't ever go away. Narcissism and ironic detachment are the norm. War won't ever end.

I don't know what to do anymore because I'm just one guy. I have no power, no motivation, I'm just a husk like everyone else.

>>32332304
I’ve never had a date also I’m not a pedophile so she has to be tall

>>32332325
oh boy. where to start.
im sure u could find a shit loads of threads not just on here but other lookmaxxing forums etc. just dont get sucked into the rabbit hole and become hopeless.
i think the general idea is to show travel and hobbies though. i have seen people say boats are the way in. depends on your resources though. if not a traveler then try hobbies. typically dont need a lot for that. instruments like guitar etc are nice, but dont force it u dont play. u dont need pro photos either. candids are in style.

>>32332343
thanks. so basically social proof, tell the story of an exciting life, etc?

>>32332344
yea u get the idea

>>32332335
nothing to be ashamed of. everyone starts somewhere.
taller than u is tricky but not impossible. i have seen it before. tall women and shorter guy or same height. dating pool is a lot smaller but just be open in case anything comes ur way

>>32332343
>hobbies
I have never met a white female that has hobbies they all watch Netflix and eat fast food, and doomscroll facebook/tiktok

>>32332355
>>32332355
Not looking for a woman taller than me I’m 6’8 I’m just not attracted to child size feet and short women have child sized feet and bodies.

>>32332361
Maybe. could be a generalization idk. They definitely exist tho. probably hard to come by but maybe its because i am in school and see a wide variety of people everyday.

>>32332368
If I go back to school they will call me a pedophile

>>32332367
Oh damn. Six eight is crazy. basketball player height right there. Thats hopium. You got a lot more options with that.
Yea i get the preferences. Smaller girls arent for everyone.

>>32332382
I hate n****rball
I get rejected before I speak I tried changing my body I tried washing my shoes they keep getting dirty.

>>32332371
Nah i guess im not saying go back to school. I just meant im in school and ive seen a lot of girls who are committed to their craft. Sure some are big in social mdeia but not all. Also no one will call u a pedo. There are some older ppl in my class. People will always judge you

>>32332387
Yea thats fine. Dont gotta like it. sports aint for everyone.
U have a good height tho. Most men would kill to be ur height. You have hope though so hang on to it

>>32332390
I’ve been called a pedophile by hundreds of people because I want 18-24 year old white gf. At first I thought it was trolls but they actually think it’s pedophilia. I don’t find children and short women attractive.
>>32332396
I see most women date men their height unless the man is black.
Women treat me like shit, but I keep confidence. I stand up straight always speak loud and don’t cower away.

>>32332425
Yea i get it. also have you tried passportbro lifestyle? obviously hard but foreign girls love white men. and have strong nationalism. a lot more traditional too and into the age gap thing. hard for the avg american but an option.
also dont take offense to the pedo thing. shit is all preference. the stigma comes with it. just gotta deal with it

>>32332452
I’m only attracted to young adult white females which won’t exist in a few years.

>>32332473
idk maybe. they will exist tho. the erasure of whites theories and stuff is out of my realm of knowledge. who knows covid 2.0 and ww3 could best us all 20 yrs from now. just have fun while ur alive. only get one life ya know

>>32332488
Less than 3.5% of earths population is white female, how many are over the age of 25?

>>32332492
yea i get u but how can u control this variable or thing if thats what u wanna call it.
just let it be. maybe ur right who knows. life is strange

>>32332517
In a few years there won’t be any more women for me to date. So I need one now. I need a pale white virgin wife she can be asexual as long as she doesn’t have a sexual past.
You know the man that takes a woman’s virginity is the person she thinks about till she dies.

>>32332527
yea we want what we dont have. there will always be women to date tho. just gotta be positive. live life in the meantime. can say that you at least had fun. also if virgin women is preference then go for it. no one stopping ya

>>32332540
I don’t want women that have sexual past especially race mixers

>>32332545
yea thats fine. all preference

>>32332561
don’t know where to look I have nothing in common with women my age but if I hang around a college they will call me a pedo.

Im a 31 yeas old virgin
i stopped masturbating but now im insanely horny, i just want to hire an escort
i already saw someone i really like
should i go for it?

>>32333056
imagine how many guys she fucked for free

Zoomette fast food wagies offering free drinks and sauce a form of flirting after making small talk?

>>32333056
You hit your 30s without getting any so going the escort route to me is acceptable, just get losing your virginity over with.

>>32333151
I just wanted to find someone.
I feel like im not in a position to be meeting women right now, but i also dont want to masturbate
also ive said to myself if i ever pay for sex, might as well go fuck the hottest horniest bitch ever since im never gonna fuck that

>>32333158
Escorts can least get you some experience with sex, the "dating" side of it is for flavor. Who knows you might meet a younger girl or girl the same age as you eventually, but I don't know what your issues are.

>>32333165
Eh i dont want to trauma dump you
ive been to dates recently, but i feel like my main problem is that im too "good", i dont know how to transform the situation into a sexy situation, to be sexually desirable
girls might think im good looking, i might dress fine, but im not hot, i dont know if you understand what i mean, i just dont have the attitude neither the will to do it, its just not who i am

>>32328415
>>32333213
please for the love of god someone help me

Every time a girl is interested in me I freeze, like at a party when it's obvious they want me to make a move I just don't, and after a while they go away. Also a friend told me her friend is really interested in me and I got so nervous just from reading that text that I became physically sick. Needles to say I did nothing and nothing happened. This happened twice already. I also had a chance once with a dream girl who was flirting with me and trying so hard to make me do something but I froze again and nothing happened. It's like a mental block. Even when I'm drunk/high at a rave and a girl is shoving herself into me I can't do anything.

What can I do to fix this? I tried approaching and it wasn't easy to start but I could hold the convos easy. The problem was again when I sensed that they were romantically interested. I can't even imagine going on a date with a girl, it would probably be one of the most stressful things that ever happened to me. I'm in my mid twenties if that matters. I'm pretty average looking so this doesn't happen too often but I wasted so many good opportunities because of this.

>>32333502
Theres genuinely no other way to fix it but to just try your hand.
The only way to get women is to accept that you might lose them. In other words, say stuff. Try stuff, even if you fail. You will get used to it and get better at it.
Or better yet, maybe try speed dating or some shit like that. Get used to women.

>>32333502
Same. For me it's easier to reject them than to let them close to me and have my heart broken later. It's very easy for me to socialize with women. But very hard for me to open my heart and make a move.

>>32333529
yeah but I don't even have any women to say anything to

>>32333535
well you said that you go to parties and stuff
maybe just talk to women without wanting to fuck them

>>32333546
There's no women there my age though it's all older women like 40+

>>32333554
what about hobbies? maybe bumble? tinder?

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>>32333562
Al my hobbies put me around people who are 40+
(I play music that old people like and I dance (not like zoomer ghetto dancing like actual pic related dancing))
I'm on Bumble and Tinder.

>>32333529
I'm the OP, the problem is that I can't bring myself to do it, and I've been trying for 3 years now. Before that I spoke to like 2 women a year, now I do a lot more but I just get blocked in my head. I guess I'll just keep trying until something happens but there has to be an easier way

>>32333592
>im the OP
Dude what are you fucking talking about no you're not

>>32333592
Oh you're the OP of the post but not the thread

>>32333592
Bummer.
In my case i realized that my problem wasnt that i dont know how to talk to women or people in general, but to try to "get hot" with the conversation. Trying to turn her on. Thats something i just dont know how to do and dates dont go past the first one for that reason.

>>32330271
> How do I get pictures for dating apps?
Besides the obvious bathroom mirror type shit
Dont do mirror selfies unless you have a good body, and expect low tier women to be impressed. From my experience, your best bet is having a friend whose into photography take your photos. A lot of folks online will recommend just getting a tripod and snapping photos of yourself in random spots but I’ve had basically no success doing that. You can try, but don’t expect good results. You can use photofeeler to grade your photos. Aim for 7 or above on attractiveness. If you have no friends to take photos, then you should consider hiring a local photographer for the day and having them take photos of you around town. Get a haircut prior, get a few outfits, and have them start snapping. I’ve seen people dunk on using professionals but i think that mostly comes from their preconception that the photos being produced would be model-esq, rather than just having a higher quality camera with a photographer who knows what they’re doing.
If you want, feel free to disregard this. I’m still on my photo collection journey. I started using dating apps earlier this year and then took a break. During this break is when i got my pictures taken. By the time i went back on my algorithm score had dropped so much that I only got one like and one match when i hopped back on for a week. I have since deleted the apps and will remake my accounts when all my photos are complete.

> Also this girl complimented my jacket today, should I have flirted with her? I just said thanks and moved along
Ya, you had nothing to lose. Did you think she was cute?

>>32333502
How many times have you been rejected?

>>32333719
What counts as rejection? Just them not wanting to talk or not being receptive? Probably a lot but I don't see that as a hard rejection really. Romantically once in 7th grade I think, she said I was ugly lol, since then I wasn't even in a position to be rejected but tbf I didn't really speak to a woman for more than 5 minutes in HS and first two years of college. I kinda rejected a girl in HS because she was annoying and now I regret it a bit, could have been good practice. I probably had the same issues I have now

>>32333646
>consider hiring a local photographer for the day and having them take photos of you around town

Lol I was really hoping it wouldn't come to that

I did think she was cute

>>32333184
buddy thinks he is chad. im too good guyzzzz. ur on 4chan pal.
settle down ya nerd

>>32333883
>buddy thinks he is chad. im too good guyzzzz
lol man what i meant by "good" i meant that im just too respectful and nice instead of spontaneous and flirty, does that sound like a chad to you?

>5 matches
>5 initial little chats
>5 ghostings

is this normal or am i doing something wrong?

>>32334006
>you guys are getting matches?

>>32328415
So last week my classes started again and I noticed some girl looking at me here and there, today I had the same class again and when I arrived shes sitting right next to where I sat last week. We talked a bit here and there but not much, I think I dropped the spaghetti a bit because I was nervous but nothing serious. I do think shes into me. How do I proceed? I'm retarded. Next week I just try to talk more and get her IG? Invite her for coffee over the break?

>>32334019
Uhh yeah...more than i expected when i started using some apps 2 months ago...but most lead nowhere....only had 3 dates in 2 months, no sex, i want something serious...and the chats fizzle out quickly because 90% of the time the woman moved on and ghosts me...disheartening

>>32333900
least u go on dates. most autistic neets here dont even go outside

>>32334059
just ask her. shes a woman. she wont approach u.
make the move. if she rejects.
then fuck it.
thats life

>>32328415
How the fuck there's a general for this? Dating is piss easy is you're not some chud with retarded standards about muh virginity or muh low bodycount

>>32334137
but they are. most are khhv virgin autists.
dire situation all around.

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>>32334137
>dating is piss easy
>if you're not some chud
>muh virginity

>>32330271
Travel, weddings, extreme ironing (trust me on this one)

>>32334136
Aye aye captain

Not really interested in getting women but I don't want to create a thread. Are you still considered a neet if you're reaching your 30s, never had formal training, never worked, because you has been taking care of a disabled parent since you were 13? I have some health issues as well otherwise I'd taken up formal training on a trade like micro soldering or computer repair, but I figured that's not an excuse because there are jobs online now.

>>32334116
Where do you live?

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Just
>be at least 6'3
>have scumbag charisma
>have an above-average sized cock
>be popular with men and women
>have lots of tattoos

>>32334581
aye aye faggot retard

>>32334691
That’s literally me and I’m a house husband. I threatened to shove my wife 2 Sundays ago. Lmfao.

Did any of you guys reject their female friend's feelings?
What happened afterwards? Did you still stay friends?
I just found out my female friend likes me but I just don't see her the same way, and although our personalities don't really match, she's still a nice person and I'd like for her to be my friend.
I already told her this, so there's no downplaying it or "saving" anything.
Just kinda curious what the results usually are.

A bit of a long post bros, but I need help since I have not even a drop of romantic comprehension in me.

I met a girl on Sunday going out with my pals. Really a fun time for us both, good talk, we really liked each other. I won't drown you with the details but it was very sweet and fun for the both of us. Anyway, both of us got a little drunk and we made out. She gave me a note with her address and said its so I can find her, kissed me a bunch of times before I left from her friend's place where we wound up as the night progressed.

Anyway, here's the dilemma: We messaged a little, she seemed a bit dry when messaging but clarified when chatting that the note is so I can find her place. Now, my question is do I just show up at her door with a bottle of wine and flowers which is what I'm thinking she's hoping for (she's a girl that reads a little too much for her own sake) or do I take the pussy route and message/ask her before showing up?

I'm trying to be realistic about this. I'm 80% on her wanting me to just show up in person so she can have her little movie moment, but the 20% based on the relatively dry chat (just a few messages exchanged) makes me feel like it may have been a spur-of-the-moment decision made by her boozed up. I don't care about in-person rejection or being left hanging at the door, I just don't wanna seem strange.

>>32328415
Was in a coffee shop the other day, kept making eye contact with this really cute girl. Didn't talk to her or anything but reinstalled tinder just now and saw that I matched with her on there a month ago. How do I message her? Would it be creepy to say I saw her the other day. Help.

>>32334137
We are people with almost zero social skills trying to develop them, in my opinion.

Become an uber driver, talk to a billion random people and end up basically casanova.

>>32334885
you already fucked it up, flirt immediately or lose it immediately.

>>32332570
You just keep pulling lame excuses out of your ass man idk what to tell you

>>32334774
Yeah, they got pissy and spread rumors about me being gay because their egos got bruised, so I naturally started spreading rumors about her and talked shit to her face then cut her off like any sane human would do. Thing is, I don't have time for petty female passive aggressive behavior, I make them accountable for their actions and then tell them to fuck off, haven't had any problems yet, and also haven't been metoo'd with fake allegations.

>>32335427
I always see them with black men, sometimes fat black men. I’m taller than all the blacks too.

>>32334137
kys

>>32328415
I have something to say and then I'll leave. It befuddles me that men have no interest in what women respond to and what we think. A set of instructions is in the box yet you do not care. You prefer to text your bro that put one together without instructions but only had one extra screw instead of 3.

The second thing, as I dropped by here the other day to amuse myself watching dogs chase their tail, was one guy actually had everything right. Then came the haters attacking him saying a) he must be a chad and b) he only said something to brag to the sexless and c) he lies because women don't know what they want and a man has to tell her.

Ok, gonna leave now. Idiots

>>32337332
If you are under 5’5, older than 20 or not white I don’t care l

>>32337332
Chopping your dick off does not make you a woman

>>32337423
oh gosh you and I actually agree on something. But some commentary on how the male brain works. Want a woman but cannot ask a woman what she wants so a man decides to be a woman. Thats not women logic but man logic.

>>32337413
Watch out or a woman over 5'5" will be harder to force sex upon

>>32337443
Never wanted sex but if she’s not a virgin she’s gutter trash

>>32337439
If that makes you feel better I don't even listen to men's advices on what women want
As if everyone does not know already what foids want

1 month using Tinder, around 20 matches and 15 likes locked behind Gold (fuck off not paying for that shit). I tried starting conversations with 10 girls. Few were receptive. Had 3 actual conversations. 2 went nowhere.
Kept talking with one of them for over a week. Invited her to a place I was already going and she said maybe and didn't go. Didn't think anything of it and ignored her. Almost a week later she sends "hii" and I invite her for a movie, we go, make out, have a few beers after, make out more and I take her home. Before leaving she was talking about the next date and I was implying my place for a movie. Just texted her to come over today, hopefully leads to seggs.

I'm white, chubby, average height, average face, nothing special about me. I guess I'm decent looking enough to get 1 date.
I did lose a ton of weight. When I was obese I had 0 success.

>>32337573
I’m white 6’8 not chubby. Paid $500 for tinder and never got a date mostly catfishing and coal burners. They always lead me on but don’t want to meetup. I tried saying I want casual sex or a serious relationship nothing worked.

>>32334842
That's very weird behavior on her part. She's playing games or is into some weird rape fantasy shit. I sure as shit wouldn't show up at a girls place unannounced. Maybe text her "I'm coming over" and see how she reacts, but don't go until she replies.

>>32337598
Damn dude. You may be into freakishly tall territory. Try filtering for girls 5'10 and over.

>>32337332
>someone got it right
Oh yeah? Share it then

>>32337628
I tried everything for OLD nothing helped also a lot of those women already have a SO I threatened to tell ones husband and she blocked me. I know because they have Snapchat on their profile, so I take a peek.

>>32332327
Are you serious. If you're tall and handsome you advice DOES NOT APPLY TO US. We are here because WE ARE NOT THAT, OTHERWISE WHY WOULD WE BE HERE.
Dumbass.

>>32337649
Women think 5’10 is tall because their 5’10 bf told them they are 6’6

>>32332327
My suggestion is to be tall and good looking.

>>32337732
What if I’m tall and already had surgery on my nose

>>32334137
Women act like you rape them by existing near them its super hard

Let's be real
>25M, euro
>no hobbies besides vidya and my pets
>introvert and quiet, basically zero social life
>5'4"/165cm, low self-esteem
I tried my best to partake in social events, mostly dinner/hangouts with coworkers, but I honestly can't stand them. Seeing how easily they get a conversation done, how casual they are and the inevitable jokes at my expense about how quiet and antisocial I am kills me inside.
Am I basically fucked without a social circle? I don't think I'm mentally strong enough to try dating apps.

>>32337636
this is how it was met
>>32337649

>>32337803
Trannies and baiting incels aren't welcome here.

>>32331416
You probably could have salvaged that on the spot by saying some like "okay, I was lying about class I really just wanted your number because I'm going to miss chatting with you" or something similar

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>>32337830

then she would say "oh but we'll see each other soon, it's fine"

how could he salvage that, then? that would need a damn good comeback bro!

JFL at this delusional cope. "salvaged that on the spot" lmao

you guys treat dating like hunting and you call incels mysogynistic. she is not fucking interested. there is no "salvaging it", strategy or comeback that can make up for that.

>>32331416
>I shouldn't throw in the towel

JFL at you

this is what you should do to get her interested and get a date with her. be taller and have a sharper and bigger jaw and cheekbones. that's it. that's the comeback that would work.

never began

>>32337796
>>25M, euro
>>no hobbies besides vidya and my pets
>>introvert and quiet, basically zero social life
immaterial tb h

>>32337796
>>5'4"/165cm, low self-esteem
ovER

bro you'll rope on the spot if you get on dating apps

on the bright side, i have to say that, if i went by my relationships with coworkers, i would believe i am a turbo autist. i just cant stand them and im not compatible with most people in my line of work at all. but with people who enjoy the same things as me im completely different. you could try that and focus on just being polite with your coworkers, it's what i do. unfortunately they are talking about doing trips together with activities and parties for team building JFL suifuel. but it's a trip to Germany so at least i will see it

anyway, as i was saying, you may notice you are completely different if you dont focus on coworkers, but you'll still be short so getting a date is going to still be hard no matter your personality

>>32329240
>>32329359

Any woman who is still unmarried after age 30 is damaged goods, unless maybe if she's a widow

Tall handsome guy who went from zero game to teenage level game in his 30s here, the only thing that actually matters to roastoids is your ability to get pussy, they follow the herd and this is why they often fuck, date, or even marry ugly short guys, unemployed deadbeats, and ex-cons. Much like how you need experience to get a job and you need a job to get experience, you need to already have pussy to get pussy. Being tall, rich, and handsome isn't enough although it certainly helps

>>32338413
>>32338413
Well I’m not fucking a racemixer or vaxxy I don’t want AIDS like a fag

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>>32328415
OK, which dating app sucks the least? I think I'm going to give them one last shot.

How should one take a girl mocking you in front of their friends?

>>32339014
I wonder how many t-shirts I could sell of this at a festival or something before I got my ass beat

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I'm short (5 7) but I have the curse of no deep voice and I'm also generally a kinder guy. I think there is basically no hope for me to ever masculinize because of these two limiting factors, I'm always going to be kneecapped it feels like.

But I'm not east asian so the whole anime protagonist k pop maxxing doesn't hit the same either.

I see other short guys try to masculine max with beards but with my voice (which gets noticeably weaker as the day goes on and I basically recharge it overnight) it feels comical. If I could get jacked too maybe , but all I seem to stay is lean / twink mode but with more abs and definition.

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>>32328415
Reminder that women are weird, sometimes they'll send you signals where you think that they hate you but in actuality they've been trying to get you to notice them for a long time.

>>32328415
One resource I'd like to recommend is the GirlsChase website.
>inb4 pua shit
They're actually way more logical and straightforward than most other PUA stuff. Not all of their stuff is perfect but I find a lot of their articles to be pretty good at explaining away sticking points. It should be really good for incel bros on here who are way too deep into over analyzing shit especially since the guy who runs the website is kind of an autist himself. Only bad thing is that their stuff is locked behind a paywall and they only give access to like 10 free articles per month (more if you use multiple devices to skirt the limitation) but you can look up archives of articles to skirt that. Ignore all the book/course/bootcamp advertising shit but the actual articles themselves are pretty good.

>>32339767
>webm
wait so girls are all in love with me?

>>32339767
I think this is an asian or protective household thing. Girls feel they can't express themselves in certain cultures so it manifests in stuff like this.

Blonde whitey giving you that look is exactly what you think it means.

>>32339857
Nah it has nothing to do with race or culture. It's not even exclusive to girls, much like a dude is gonna suddenly get awkward and shy around a girl he really likes, girls get the same way around guys they really like.

>>32339889
I dunno man I've seen some really bubbly white girls just go for it /shit test you into oblivion right on the spot.

Is ignoring a group of women who shit tested you a saving face move? Or did they win?

>>32328415
Why are tattoos and piercings considered here to be a deal breaker around this parts.
A girl i am interested in has:
>Piercings on several parts of her face (nose and ears)
>tattoos on both arms
>5 cats
>Smokes weed (has no dependency and has a job)
>Likes harley bikes
And yet she seems to be a somewhat agreeable person, is really professional and has a really nice personality.
Obviously i am way too basic and overweight for she to be interested in me but if our situation was different i would still try to ask her out.

>>32339913
>And yet she seems to be a somewhat agreeable person, is really professional and has a really nice personality.

Until they don't and you don't give them what they want and fuck your shit up.

>>32339918
Is there any tells or does the B Cluster of personality disorder really that fickle?

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>>32339902
Yeah, some, but not all women are like that. Biggest way to tell is if she's super talkative with everyone and with you she's suddenly really quiet and shy, of course sometimes they could just not like you, which is why I said it can be confusing.

>>32339950
there's no way this is actually a thing , this feels like a larp by women to trick men via gaslighting

>>32340040
It's not a larp, try going out into the real world and talking to women dumbass.

>>32340079
i mean the videos numbnuts , in real life , I've always seen women signal interest by being obvious as hell

>>32340089
And what part of "not all women are like that" are you not understanding?

>>32340094
I really just don't fucking buy it if its not an asian girl or middle eastern or something conservative like that.

If they are western raised and culturally brought up in a liberal environment, they are going to be brash in their own way.

>>32340101
>dumb sperg has trouble understanding some girls are shy
>thinks real life is like a disney sitcom
dumbass

>>32340132
says the faggot shilling tiktok videos, whats the search term for this shit? I'll go find this

How do i stop giving off autistic psycho killer rape vibes even though im hot

>>32340167
Woah shit, I wanna give off those vibes. How are you doing that?

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>>32340146
Not hard to find, and it's also fun reading the comments from hundreds of women who say it's true, when a shy girl likes you, you'll never know because she'll never let it be known.

>>32340181
Stoicism and beard grooming

>>32339922
Yeah, they literally can't parse the question "When was the last time you changed your attitude because you thought it wasn't right?".
They cannot stick the concept of "cause and effect" to the concept of "my attitude"

My friend had a FWB that started giving mixed signals. They took some time off and were less intimate for a while, but then she out of the blue suggested they get a hotel and watch shows or something. They planned it out for a couple weeks before she started acting flaky and now my friend is ignoring her. But she still texts him and makes him sandwiches. What do

>>32340186
Completely fucking retarded autistic psyop nonsense, kill yourself
>yeah bro women actually dont show that they want to fuck you when they totally do
Put your penis in a vagina and stop posting dogshit

>>32338413
okay so where do you actually meet women

>>32340560
Lol, another sperg who has trouble understanding that some women are shy, guess there's a reason this site is notorious for being autism central, no shock there.

>>32340186
That’s how every woman looked at me my whole life and even if I make a move I never get a date. I usually get numbers but they ghost me every time. That’s why I think that look means they reject me. I’m the one that’s 6’8. Still a virgin never been on a date.

>>32340186
>At a friend's wedding
>Sitting at a table with a girl
>She stares at me the entire time
>Barely one or two word answers to my question
>Wedding ends and I say it's been fun, leave. She nods and looks away
Was she into me? Should I have asked for her number?

lol My family keep talking to me as if I can get a girlfriend. Don't they realize that I'm a big weirdo? I guess our loved ones are blind to who we really are. It's not even worth me trying to find a girlfriend, because I'm such a fucking loser that they will soon ditch me once they find out.

My hobbies consists in vidya and consooming media but I have some spare free time and I'd like to get invested into new ones.
What are some (not extreme) hobbies that could make me look more interesting?

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>>32329240
stop being a slave lol

>>32341366
Hear me out, have you tried boxing?

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>>32334137
>muh low bodycount
we get it bro, you're a late bloomer who dates a 30yo after she went through her party phase
lmaoooo

I kinda regret starting to see escorts. I fucked two now I feel like I want to see another. It's just too easy, all you have to do is pay money and you can fuck a hot girl. I can see why it can become an addiction.

>>32328755
Autogynephilia is pretty big

>>32341378
All pedos must die

>>32341393
Same here, bro. I have almost zero motivation to find a gf. Going through all that bs. Modifying my behavior in order to charm a girl into bed, perhaps paying for dates etc. All for what? That I can have some sex? I can pay to fuck a much hotter, sluttier chick and jump through none of those hoops.

>>32339950
This gif is trying to trick me into thinking I'm not ugly

>>32341405
Tbh at the end of the day its pretty unfulfilling. Especially because I can't cum with a condom. It's just that since im not Chad I can't get sex on demand its way easier to just fuck an escort. My bodycount is 2 unpaid 2 paid.

>>32339950
Why do women post blatant bullshit like this?

>>32341412
>Especially because I can't cum with a condom
Ah really? That sucks. I've been banging Thai hookers for a few years now. I do feel a little sorry for them when we have pillow talk and they tell me they want to have a boyfriend. But it is what it is. It would be nice to have some proper female companionship but I have zero faith in women, and even less faith in myself.

>>32341419
I actually desire an actual gf the most. But that's hard to get. My last (unpaid) sexual experience left me with a bunch of regrets and self conciousness about performance so hence me coping with escorts.

>>32341383
Tried it when I was a kid, I'm not cut for that.

The average woman has a gorillion of potential partners. Unless you have some outstanding quality such as good looks, status, money, scumbag charisma, big cock etc. then why would she want to get with you?

>>32338413
>Tall handsome guy who went from zero game to teenage level game in his 30s here
dont care man
you are tall and handsome
you didnt improve anything, everything was given to you

>>32328415
Are there any down sides to dating much younger women if you are looking for a serious relationships? I am afraid I will only get older making it harder to date in the future if things don't work out while she has her whole life ahead of her to find someone else if things end....Is it safer to find a woman only a bit younger or around my age that will be more invested in building a relationship than a fickle 22 year old? Do most guys in these age gap relationship groom their younger gfs into behaving?

>>32337573
Well, she came over and it was fucking great. It was really fun and the sex was great. I was nice, open and played no games all the way through.
I feel like I've unlocked a life secret at 31 years old. It's crazy.
Be nice, suave, detached, unassuming, focus on making her feel liked and focus on having fun. That's what worked for me. Her shit tests were fucking hilarious and she couldn't break me once, I guess that also helped.

>>32341628
Not that hard to rise above the crop.

>>32341628
if you're remotely charming you instantly are top 10%. you should see the idiocy they deal with

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>>32332333
>There is no point to saving money
There is. Never waste money, eat cheap, pirate entertainment etc and save the majority of your income to retire early. Stop working at 45, go broke at 62 or so and then live from welfare. The retard leftists will never give up welfare remember that.

>>32342024
>Are there any down sides to dating much younger women if you are looking for a serious relationships?
I have a friend who insists that dating younger is always bad and that you should date your age or older. On the other hand, he has dated women who are almost 10 years older than him yet still are batshit insane and do not have their shit together. My advice is to look for someone who is in the same stage of life or the same point of life that you are in.

why the fuck are so many women so boring and can't keep a chat going? they don't put any effort into the chats...basically no interest in me at all...why match if you are so boring and uninterested in me?

>>32342215
Great to hear anon, thanks for the motivation. I’m a 30 year old that just got out of a long term relationship and about to head out into the dating world yet again so it’s good to hear about someone similar having success. I feel like I’m a much, much better position than the retard that I was in my early 20s but nervous to get back out there regardless.

What do you mean by shit tests, though? Anything to be on the lookout for?

>>32342437
People in this thread tell me it’s because I’m ugly so you must be ugly dude

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>>32341144
it looks more like this which is why this was such a meme

>>32342437
supply and demand. they can literally wait every guy out and filter for the one giving them the most investment and tingles

>>32342560
>>32342560
doesn't make sense. if i or you were ugly, we would have zero matches and zero chats. don't believe these trolls...a woman doesn't match with an ugly dude

>>32342601
how can you explain that when I have tinder platinum I get matches but no responses?

>>32342608
i don't trust the paid algorithm. imagine if they were lying to you about matches

>>32342584
in that case: good riddance...i am not putting in 80% of the work, only to get 20% back...i am getting the hang of it after 2 months on these shitty platforms: basically if a match hasn't asked me anything about myself in 2-3 messages and only answers questions like a chatbot, i stop chatting her up. and sadly it's pretty common. these women don't wanna engage or are just too busy and simply boring to talk to.

>>32342608
maybe your openers suck?

>>32342622
eh, don't totally quit unless you've optimized what you can. are your pictures showing you as handsome and telling the story of a good life? does your profile highlight your wit and value using show-don't-tell principles? if not, you can optimize and re-test before giving up totally

>>32342259
Define "charming"?
Can a manlet be charming?
Can a niceguy be charming?
Can a dicklet be charming?

>>32339889
It's true, one of my boys has a girl friend that I find really fucking pretty, I see her every handful of months or so, other night we were gonna hang out and he brought her and I had no idea why that would happen, she damn near paralyzed me on eye contact, it was hard to function

>>32331880
Boobs are more of a private area. More socially acceptable to touch ass in public, whereas breasts are more sensitive and pervvy to be openly groping in public .

Is it over if she doesn't even try to message you anymore? I mean she answers my messages, but she never starts a conversation or even tries to keep it going.

>>32342643
are you fucking kidding me or just trolling? i am on fucking 4chan...how good of a life do you think i have? i have nothing to show, i am an introverted nerd and loner who just wants a gf...the fact that i even got a matches and chats is way more than i ever expected...

>>32342457
She's 26 and kept teasing me about me being old. I'm 31. Always playful though, I could tell she just wanted to see if I was an emotional angry jackass that couldn't take banter.

Good luck on your dating, anon. Make sure to bring good energy, a girl who's worth it will give it right back to you.

>>32342780
so fucking PRETEND or FIND SOMETHING THAT WORKS why do i have to spell out everything for you stupid anons and do your homework for you? scrape up the little bit of IQ you have and make a proactive decision

>>32342628
funny you say that because people here claim they didn't have to try the woman just shows interest if she wants to fuck. Also a lot of these cunts are fat and catfishing trying to look normal. whenever I mention I'm glad to finally find a girl thats not fat they freak out and tell me they are fat.

>>32342776
yep. stop immediately and only re-engage if she does. can't make women into you

>>32342437
Text chat? You don't want to do that. Chatting through text is truly awful.
In reality, the problem is exactly the opposite: most women won't stop yapping if you give them the ear. Texting is NOT a conversation. Texting is for logistics, like setting up dates.
If a woman can't talk to you through a voice call or in person then yeah she's shit at chatting.

>>32342861
of course texting. you gotta gauge interest and engagement and a general vibe chat before you ask her out on a date. if she acts like a chatbot, only replies, one liner texts, there is no point setting up for logistics...i don't wanna hookup, i look for something deeper...maybe that's my problem.

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>>32341410
>>32341413

>>32342906
pretty accurate. the big thing is the slow vs. fast. women express a lot of attraction by proximity: how long they're in your eyeline

>>32342861
also you can't really generalize texting like that. some women like to chat, some don'r, some wanna meet right away, many don't. i need some chats and engagement from her side before i ask some random woman out

>>32342900
Invite the robots for casual dates and imply you just wanna get to know them. Don't let rejections affect you. Don't have expectations on first dates. After all, you're also trying to filter for quality women. You'll be surprised.
If she "liked" you it means "well he's kinda cute", but attraction only really happens when you actually meet her.
Trust me, by just being assertive you're already better than most dudes.

All girls are robots with guys they don't know on dating apps where there are thousands of options, unless the guy is a gigachad, and if you can't accept some guys have it easy this pent up anger will end up fumbling your prospects. If there's one thing women hate is insecurity.

>>32342916
Well sure, some women want to text a bit at first to filter out dumbasses and jackasses, but those are not real conversations.

>>32342916
>i need some chats and engagement
Some of the best dates I've had the girl took hours or days to reply sometimes. One girl even blatantly stated that she almost cancelled halfway through the first date because she thought I was boring before meeting me, and we ended up fucking like rabbits a few days after.

>>32342999
>she almost cancelled halfway through the first date because she thought I was boring
I mean, almost cancelled before I picked her up.

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Good luck getting a girlfriend in current year.

Nice girls are the worst. I wish I would just get a straightforward rejection and not a yes and then no

>>32343207
>using dating apps
only losers use dating apps, there's a reason they give women the ick, it reeks of desperation.

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alright gentlemen gotta tell (You) about my case

so there's this girl I don't really know the name of I think I might have found her on facebook but I'm not 100% sure.

I keep seeing her in public like shop or in the church on sundays and every single time she smiles at me.

yesterday I was waiting at the train station and she was also there. for about 20 minutes or so she would keep walking around and smiling at me and doing that thing girls do with their hair in the movies.

now I'm an idiot and I didn't do shit. I literally just kinda ignored her pretending to not even look at her even tho I kinda wanted to at least say hi.

what the fuck should I do now? I know I pussied out like a faggot and should probably rope myself but damn since then I can't stop thinking about what happened

the problem is I have no clue when will I see her again. it could be tommorow it may be in months

what do?

>>32343316
learn your lesson that you don't hesitate when a woman is giving you proximity invites. talk to her next time, but if you get rejected, know that it was pussying out that lost you the woman, not talking to her

>>32343325
>water is wet

that's not really what I've been asking for

How do you tell if a girl has big tits or is just wearing a padded bra? There's this girl I work with that is super thin like a stick but she wears tight shirts where her giant tits stick out. Sometimes I've seen them not as big but sometimes she'll wear something with visible cleavage and they do seem that big. I am very confused. Should I ask her directly?

>woman bending over right in front of you

Where do I look? It is ok to look and smile at her? I don't want her to think i didnt enjoy it, but whats the best way to approach this?

>>32342912
I think shes saying the opposite of that?