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Having a girlfriend isn't going to magically fill the emptiness inside of you.

No, really it won't.

It won't solve all your problems either.

You won't suddenly have worth, or be respected if you have a gf.

You'll still just be you. Only now you'll have to consider someone else and their feelings in every decision you make, no matter how mundane.

A gf is just another person. A friend who is female, that you also have sex with sometimes. That's pretty much it. There are no special perks beyond friendship. Stop building this up in your head into something that it's not and then obsessing. There is no bigger turn off for a woman than a man obsessing before she is. That's desperation, it's weakness. Women don't want weak men.

Understanding she's just a person, ask yourself why does she want a bf in her life? Why would she choose you over any other male? Be worth her time. What did you learn from the video about what being worth her time means?

You can't be masculine and dominant while you sit at home like a parasitic child on your parents. A woman doesn't want to take care of you like a child either, she wants to be taken care of. Gender roles are biological. Don't behave like a woman, if she wanted a woman she'd be a lesbian. Masculinity matters and you can't be masculine while thinking like a woman.

Many of you have severe mother issues that have stunted your development and caused your impotence. You need to cast your mother off your shoulders, forgive her for she does not know better and learn how to be men. Growing up into adulthood mentally and being what you are, in men, will make you so much happier. But you have to do the work, it won't come to you on a silver plater flying through your window and it certainly won't come via the internet.

You gotta forget women and make something of your life. The women will come when you have.

nobody ever taught me what being a man is because my father was always working so I was raised by women and then dropped into the circus that is society when I went to school and still haven't figured it out
now what

>>32334259
>You gotta forget women and make something of your life. The women will come when you have.
I'm tired of seeing this LIE repeated over and over again by clueless morons
My business is gonna top line over a million this year. How many millions have you made, chump?

>>32334259
>You won't suddenly have worth, or be respected if you have a gf.
yes you will, because it will signal you're worthy in some way to other people

>Having a girlfriend isn't going to magically fill the emptiness inside of you.
yes but it'll make it easier to bear and talk with and get cuddles and sex with together

>You'll still just be you. Only now you'll have to consider someone else and their feelings in every decision you make, no matter how mundane.
also you have 2 bank accounts and 2 sets of parents to help bail you guys out of any trouble. and you'll probably be a happier you

the real issue is how YOU see a gf. You're focusing on it just being another mundane person, a slut in your cold analytical worldview. if i have to be cold and make it on my own to have some bitch latch on to me and my success i'd rather just be alone . but i dont want that i want a warm nuturing feminine sometimes mommy gf to pick me up when im down and that i can do the same for her, magically out of the blue. a relationship that embodies all the love songs and would stay with me even if i were broke and eventually grow old and die with her looking back on a great life together. its that or nothing

>>32334304

Did you see your father at all growing up? What was he like? You're an adult now so you can't keep blaming things on how you were raised. It's your responsibility to make yourself a better version of yourself every day. Make male friends, hang out with them. Some the same age as you, some older than you. Then learn how to be a man from them.

>>32334319

Make something of your life isn't a dollar value. You can make something of your life and be on 60K a year. Making something of your life means to actually live your life. To do normal things. To get off the internet and get involved in social hobbies you can form a community around. It means to help others and leave a legacy.

How you make your money also matters. There are hookers on OF who are going to make 7 million this year. But they're disgusting because of how they made that money. The same is true for men. There's a big difference between selling some shit online you do very little work on, and say labourous work or actively dominating a market. Masculinity matters.

The lie is your cope. Your bank account is irrelevant. It's the person you are that matters. Watch the video.

>>32334334
oh and shes gotta be hot too. not too hot but not ugly and not obese. enough to keep my sexy thoughts to her. she'll get fat after preggy

>>32334346
>Buncha vague bullshit words
The company I started is literally the actualization of my life's dream. If we're even half as successful as we could be you'll know my name in about five years. My legacy could potentially change the entire world.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, no man does when it comes to the barely sentient homunculi we call "women"

>>32334257
>Hoe Math did a relatively good job of explaining how the biological drivers manifest in men and women a few years ago. You can watch it here
can you stop shilling your gay shit here? or at least pay for an ad like normal people do. thanks.

>>32334334

>> yes you will, because it will signal you're worthy in some way to other people

This is backwards cope. You're putting the cart before the horse. You need worth and value to get the girl. Tricking a girl into dating you when you have no worth or value will just result in everyone questioning her choices and pointing out that you are worthless to her. You will gain nothing.

>> yes but it'll make it easier to bear and talk with and get cuddles and sex with together

A gf is not a free therapist. She doesn't want to have you cry into her shoulder about the hole inside you all the time. There's being vulnerable and then there's being a little bitch. You solve the hole inside you by working through the actual issues that created it. This may or may not require therapy and should occur BEFORE you get the woman. If you aren't getting anywhere on your own, a therapist is necessary.

A woman doesn't want to fill your emotional hole by you filling her pussy. You're thinking of her like a whore, when she isn't one. She's just a person and half the time you want sex, she won't and vice versa. That's life.

>>32334407
Ok, what if you CAN'T fix the emotional hole, because doing so either relies on another person to do something or relies on something that is illegal and immoral and will send you to hell after you die because you know you wouldn't repent for it?
>Uhh uhh keep working on yourself bro!
Yeah let me keep flapping my arms I'm sure I'll start to fly eventually

>>32334319
Money is for chumps. For people who have no worth outside of money.
If that makes you feel special.... Sorry, that's sad.

>>32334334

>> also you have 2 bank accounts and 2 sets of parents to help bail you guys out of any trouble. and you'll probably be a happier you

A woman doesn't want a man who has to be bailed out by anyone. That's very weak and emasculating. It's even worse when it's HER parents bailing you out. It means you're such a weak pathetic man, and so is your father, that her father had to step in so save his daughter. She will look down on you after that and if you don't set things right quickly and regain your masculinity she will leave. It's impossible to respect a weak, impotent manchild. Not just for women, in general for anyone.

A relationship progressing beyond the surface lay, should progress to a joint bank account. There is no benefit to having 2 bank accounts. Two income streams is of no benefit either because there are two people and she almost certainly earns less than her man. So her man is making up her shortfall plus taking her places and paying her way with his income. It's a net loss financially.

>> but i dont want that i want a warm nuturing feminine sometimes mommy gf to pick me up when im down and that i can do the same for her, magically out of the blue.

This autistic fantasy is why you're alone. Fairytales aren't real. Love songs are about the infatuation of an early relationship, and are followed by break up songs.

Real relationships are built over time with hard work and diligence. They aren't perfect. They aren't always happy. They will mostly be mundane, and sometimes they're be stressful or even downright miserable. But you put in the WORK ro get through those times and build better.

>> cold
>> mundane
>> slut
>> clinge to my success

No, reality doesn't make a monogamous woman a slut. That's retarded. No, there is nothing cold about this. There are of course emotions involved here, but if my advice is relevant to you,,you aren't at that point yet.

>>32334438
1) talk to me when you're not a poorfag who's just coping
2) see >>32334376 I'm not just running some empty crypto ponzi or drop shipping service, I'm building a new technology that will change the world of it all works out. It is literally my life's dream. Just making the point women don't give a shit about that

>>32334334

Yes, she wants to be a part of YOUR success so that HER offspring can have a better chance at similar success. See how that works?

>>32334376

You're still trying to condense your worth to a dollar value. That's not what we're talking about. That's where you're going wrong. The only women who care about your money as the primary factor in selection are gold diggers. They will never love you or be loyal.

No one gives a fuck about your fantasies for your company.

>> You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, no man does when it comes to the barely sentient homunculi we call "women"

This is pure copium.

>>32334429

Fixing your emotional holes never relies on someone else. Ever. You might think it does because you're blinded by your own emotional baggage, which is where therapy becomes important.

>>32334381

No one is shilling anything faggot.

>>32334463

I'm OP. I'm not a poorfag. I have a company that everyone has heard of. You are being a fool and coping. Your money will only get you a gold digger. A proper woman doesn't care about that. She cares about what you've made of yourself across your life and your value as a man. She cares about your masculinity and your agreeableness.

>>32334507
>Im OP. I'm not a poorfag
Really? You aren't? Sorry, we had trouble identifying you as you.
We were thinking you are full of shit.

>>32334507
> I have a company that everyone has heard of
Bull fucking shit LMAO
Tell us the company name then, if everyone has heard of it. No one in the three or four people in this thread is gonna bother to figure out which of the founders you are

>>32334557

I'm not going to dox myself for a retard on the internet who can't even understand the basics of society. Asking me to is against the rules of this site. It's also incredibly childish.

You sound very young. Try growing up. Try behaving and thinking like a man, not a woman or a little boy. You'll get much further

>>32334589
Yep complete bullshit
Reporting your thread for shilling/advertising, see you in three days

>>32334257
1. Are you a woman yourself, or at least have actual experience?
2. Video seems quite interesting and it makes a lot of sense speaking from my very limited experience interacting with women.

>>32334618

Roflmao. Enjoy your wrongful reporting. You are literally threatening if I don't dox myself (which is against the rules to ask me to do) then you're going to report a to the point thread that just happens to include a third parties video from YEARS ago because it's shorter than trying to explain it here, and try to get me banned because you can't handle the reality that money only helps with gold diggers and isn't a high priority for normal women. That you need to be a fully fleshed out person, who has already handled the whole inside themselves or is managing it by themselves. That you actually have to grow up, be a man and take responsibility for yourself.

Meanwhile you're here actually boasting as cope. If anyone gets banned from you reporting it's you. Don't ask people to dox themselves. If you don't want to give up your cope, don't. But you don't need to be here either.

>>32334770

I'm an oldfag now. I've been married for 16 years. This isn't my first marriage. I've been with mid-triple digit women. I guess you could say I'm experienced

You want women to notice you, you're going to have to become a man, and exhibit masculinity.

>>32334777
Yeah keep ranting like a woman, that's a great way to explain what masculinity is. Get your bullshit and your hissy fit out of here

>>32334257
Not that other fag but any advice for mommy issues I went to 2 therapists and read several books on the matter and they didnt seem to offer practical advice and just feel good stuff.

>>32334834

Cope cope cope

>>32335069

All therapists are not equal.

A counsellor is < a psychologist is < a psychiatrist.

Equally individual therapists are not equal. Just as you can have a mechanic who is masterful in their craft, a mechanic who will only cause more damage and everywhere between them. So to is the case for therapists. Ones who are only trying to make you feel good with mental band aids are quacks. They're a waste of time. A good therapist will want to pursue difficult emotions with you and you're going to have to go along with that and participate fully.

In the mean time, consider why it is you have such mummy issues. Did you suffer the devouring mother? Or was it the absentee mother? What went wrong in your development? As an adult at a certain point you need to develop the internal strength and courage to stop trying to wear your mothers skin and develop independence. What are your reasons for not having done this yet?

>>32335168
>And he's still replying
Yeah this is definitely the behavior I'd expect from a super secure and masculine guy who's fucked hundreds of girls and owns a business that's a household name

You sound like a fucking reddit mod my guy

>>32335069
The mommy issues thing is bullshit modern pop psychology stuff.
I'm that "other fag" (which is funny to me because that implies you are also a fag lol) and I had a fantastic mother. Daddy issues? Got those in spades. But my mom did the best she could for me and I do not begrudge her a single thing.

>>32335168
>A good therapist will want to pursue difficult emotions with you and you're going to have to go along with that and participate fully.

Well they either give advice that I found was unrelated such as regulating stress or "you're going too much in depth about this" and when I tried to push further they didnt seem reluctant to explore (why do you want to remove that need for love ? Because women dont love that way blabla without going into incel rethorics)

Did you suffer the devouring mother? Or was it the absentee mother? What went wrong in your development

>The "I gave you food, shelter and entertainment what do you meant if wasnt enough" as a result I subconsciously / hopefully project an ideal / fantasy like the other anon where I'm loved in a immature way, unfortunately women dont seems to love that way so its attepting to pursue that is just gaslighting

>As an adult at a certain point you need to develop the internal strength and courage to stop trying to wear your mothers skin and develop independence. What are your reasons for not having done this yet?

I am independent, I'm not trying to wear my mother skin in fact I'm trying to get rid of it lmao, Ive tried going through schizophrenics way like volontarly putting myself into "painful" situations, discipline, self-improvement etc... and yet it still remains, the longing doesnt make any sense logically so is the answer just staying full stonecold stoic about it ? Is it philosophical, spiritual ? Who knows.

>>32334257
>How old you are has nothing to do with getting a gf
Objectively false
You only have a small time window in which it is possible to get a young gf (the only ones that matter)
This is where the sense of panic stems from

>>32335293

On the contrary. You have no such time limit. Women in their 20s are regularly attracted to established men in their 30s, 40s and 50s. Even their 60s sometimes. I still have women in their early 20s flirting with me several times a week. There's no time pressure on men. Get yourself established, away you go. That's objective reality.

Young women are annoying though, so there's that. Older women are less annoying, more comfortable in their own skins and better at sex. So there's that. But yes, if your only goal is babies women 20-25 is what you want. But that can be achieved at any age. That's objective reality.

>>32335378
Stop coping, after 40 youre not a bf, your a sugardaddy, they will never be genuinly attracted to you, and it will be extremely noticable if you are not a turbo autist and can read body language
Might as well just get hookers

>>32335378
>Get yourself established
Why the fuck would i want to do that, i have no interest in money and luxury
I only care about getting sex, and according to you i should still be able to do that in my 60s

Jeez im glad im a fast reader this whole thread is worthless bullshit and so is therapy. How did I know you'd say therapy you're all the same. I dated a therapist, so its extra bullshit to me from experience.

I will say people in general have become such closed-off selfabsorbed sociopaths, and the internets become so filtered and censored that the emotional hookers of therapy may just be one of the only ways left when you need to talk to someone, even if its garbage. Most girls wont want to deal with your problems, but im not looking for them. They can go be independent somewhere else

>>32335570
Best fucking post ITT so far

>>32335570
what's the fucking point of living if everyone is a self absorbed sociopath? Pair bonding with a women feels like its the point of life. I feel like if I can't have that I'll end up committing suicide later down the line.

>>32335679
Some of my friends have long and happy relationships. I've seen it happen I know it can happen.

>>32335402

lol. The cope is yours my fren. Your sperm isn't going to run out. You have no time delay. Try watching the video, you'll understand women aren't looking for the youngest guy.

>>32335413

Established is more than money. You should do it because you want a good life. I didn't say you'll be able to in your 60s, if you can't now that won't suddenly change when you're older. You know what they say about an old dog and new tricks. Maybe you might try becoming a person first.

>>32335570

Of course you're going to cope. Everyone else getting results must be wrong. You, sitting alone must be right. Makes total sense. Kek

>>32335679

>> wah wah wah
>> if I can't get what I want I'll throw everything out of my pram
>> wah wah wah
>> if I can't get what I want I'm going to kick and scream on the floor
>> wah wah wah

Gosh, what a catch. Such a mystery why women don't want you.

>>32334257

This makes a lot of sense. I'll give it a try

>>32335679
Not everyone is a self absorbed sociopath, that’s just cynicism.

Push yourself to meet and talk to people, go to places you wouldn’t usually go. The answers aren’t all here. But you’re not going to find them doing the same thing in the same places.

>>32334257
>>32334259
I know nobody's going to read this, but I'll type it out anyway.

I know you're trying to help, and I know you have a realistic perspective. You know the reality of the situation and that the life view of these people is self-centered and relies on demonizing society/being a victim/saying woe is me/sex or a girlfriend will fix everything etc. The mistake you are making is coming into an isolated environment with a different message. Changing somebody's mind can work in a one-on-one situation or in the small group, but what you are doing is like walking into a Catholic church and trying to tell everybody that their belief is wrong and they should really believe in Judaism. These people are set in their ways and rely on the reinforcement of their belief by other people with similar or the same beliefs. Ironically, even though you are correct in what you say by virtue of being an outsider, one against many, you are going to be instantly disregarded since people have gaslit themselves into believingness because so many other people reinforce that belief. It's a circular trend. I didn't really read many of the comments in this thread, but what I did were angry and combative. And I think if you take what I'm saying seriously, you can see why. These people don't want to change. They are entrenched in their own worldview. I suggest that if you don't get positive responses, you move on and abandon your attempt at mass improving people. It's a depressing thought, I know. But it's better for you than to suffer the insults of people who don't want to change.

>>32336966
Read your post and you got a point but the main problem with this post is it all boils down to

>be better, stop being entitled

All well and good to say that but for most their ego is all they’ve got and adopting a perspective that they are leeches who are owed nothing is just putting them in a worse place. No one is going to take that deal.

Everyone is in unique positions, and sometimes all they need is specific advice catered to them to get them in the right direction.

>>32337044
Honestly, I'm not trying to mock you or anything, but it really seems like you didn't read my post because that's exactly what I said. And you responded, rephrasing my statement as a counterpoint, which makes absolutely no sense.

>>32337053
Yeah but I used paragraphs

>>32337086
Ok

>>32336966

Do you know how paragraphs work? I'm not trying to change everyone's mind. You can't save everyone, true believers are true believers and can't be saved regardless of how you go about it. But if it saves one, that will be enough.

Good thread OP, the incels are seething hard in this one.
>flak is always heaviest over the target

>>32337207
>>32337086
We got it the first time.