>>32544215
They're correct if you are below average in appearance
Average men can get laid but it takes an insane amount of jestering and social jockeying to even have the chance of getting laid

>>32544236
>Average men can get laid but it takes an insane amount of jestering and social jockeying to even have the chance of getting laid

I can't be bothered to do that, does it simply mean I'm doomed to inceldom? Don't get me wrong, I don't feel like I'm above it all, but my social energy gets depleted very quickly and I feel like playing the jester feels undignifying (to myself)

>>32544246
>I can't be bothered to do that, does it simply mean I'm doomed to inceldom?
Yeah probably. If you're an average dude and don't find talking to women or going on dates and stuff enjoyable then you'll probably end up a virgin.
The average dudes I knew who got laid somewhat frequently (once a week) were going to dates and parties daily. It's a grind

>>32544215
Women are easy.
Go read books on it.
Read Mystery Method, Rollo Tomassi, The Game.
You just need to study them and figure out what makes them do things.

>>32544266
That's fair. I suppose being invested in other areas of life can fill the void

>>32544297
I would still recommend putting up with it when you're young for a while so you still have experience and won't worry later down the line what you missed out on
It's generally pretty overhyped and if you don't actually like dealing with women outside of sex then it definitely isn't worth it

>>32544215
>Are blackpillers right and it's incredibly hard to get a woman unless you're very sociable
This is not what blackpillers actually say. Instead they do everything they can to tiptoe around that fact. Hence their massive over emphasis on looks to the point of parody.
THEY might have to be a 6'6 male model with a perfectly chiseled jaw to make up for their massive shortcomings as a human everywhere else, sure, but that doesn't mean that normal guys do.

>>32544215
It's not that simple, they're only outlining symptoms of a much larger issue
Before social media and dating apps, every guy will swear to you that women like men for things other than their look and that men and women aren't the same.
Nowadays blackpillers proclaim that women are shallow and only go for looks because of dating apps
What happened in between?
I could write a whole wall of text on this but to save both my time and yours, I'll just summarize it in points.
>women want a man who is courageous/confident/flirtatious
>women scope out a man by the way he talks, his body language, the way his look fits with the vibe he's putting out and what he's saying to interact with her
>if you're not flirting with her + you're just being nice(fake personality that you put on because you're afraid of showing yourself) or you show a hint of insecurity, she will designate you as friendly and not man material
>social media narrowed it down to just a picture of you and some text, and dating apps made it worse because previously they interacted with one or two, maybe 5 guys at a time, and they had to choose one, now they have a billion options
>women can no longer check your vibe or be swayed by your charisma, and now it's all up to how good you look in pictures
>black pillers pick up this information as gospel and parrot it over and over how women are evil despite there being plenty of "sub 5" men and women having sex around the world
>add to that our modern culture that sheltered us from a young age and made us think we always win and never lose so we grew up with atrophied rejection muscles
>combine that with how easy life is comparatively, throw in rising living standards and expenses, women's natural urge for hypergamy, with the easy access to porn and now guys perceive the challenge of getting women as "not worth it" because there other things to fill the urge

Tl;dr life's so essy that getting a woman is too much of a challenge

>>32544316
I went on a few dates but there was no spark. People often say that sexual tension is important and you have to build it up and all that, but I'm not that kind of guy. I like to have conversations, that's not something that makes any girl wet. It used to be that men had to use prostitutes to get their sexual needs met, maybe that's exactly where I'm at.

In the end, if my personality is not wired to make woman brain feel a certain kind of attraction, then it is somewhat impossible to attract them, realistically speaking.

>>32544215
The ultimate proof of the blackpill is geomaxxing. I went from being a complete virgin in my home country, to fucking a different girl every week in East Asia.
Did my personality suddenly improve by moving abroad? or did I just mog the hell out of gooks by being a 1m86 European guy?

>>32544722
What do you think caused your inceldom back home, extremely high standards?

As an average dude who manages to date women occasionally I feel like dating is simply not worth it anymore. Women have way too many options. Even if you date a girl for a while, build rapport, she will always act like you're disposable, and they're right. You are disposable as an average guy. That's the brutal truth.

Monogamy only works for the average guy when women are getting the shit end of the stick in society, as in, they NEED a man to survive, and that hasn't been the case for a while.
She has thousands of average men at her fingertips. Our value is less than zero, we're like a convenience at best, always in danger of being replaced. If she wants sex she can install tinder and fuck the hottest guy she matches with. Why the fuck would she settle for an average dude?

Honestly, I can't criticize them too much because we know what happens when men have a lot of options. We are even worse. We literally fuck everything that moves, deceive, cheat, etc

>>32544215
>Are blackpillers right

Yes. The blackpill is not perfect but there is no other model that comes close to it in explaining power

>>32544730
>extremely high standards?
Yep. Women all want the same attractive guys. Even bottom of the barrel 2/10 girls can get Chads to fuck them on Tinder. If you're an average guy like me you just can't compete. Only solution is to move to an easier country.

>>32544722
I'm brazilian and geomaxxing works within my own country. I'm from the south, white, 5'10, not handsome at all. When I go to the northeast it's like my rating increases 3 or 4 points, every guy there is at least 3 inches shorter and black/mulatto.
Girls looking at me at the beach, tons of matches on Tinder, it's insane. They aren't as pretty as the girls back home but it feels great actually being desired by women.

>>32544215
how is 'you gotta talk to people to meet someone and date' a blackpill?
you don't think they silently come to you one day and hold your hand do you?
yes you have to be sociable to meet someone who could potentially date you and the more sociable you are the more people you meet and the more people you meet the best odds that some of those people will be one who gets along just well for you two to start going out
it's just math

>>32544215
Nah I'm autistic and it works fine for me.
So there's some third way that's the answer.
Based on what I see on /adv/, the problem most of the losers here have is they insist on feeling bad when women don't like them, or they insist on feeling bad while displaying sexuality, so that feeling deters them from being horny towards women. In that circumstance yes, obviously you're not gonna get a girlfriend.
The solution is, of course, to simply be comfortable being horny towards women until they tell you no, then being comfortable with that lack of interest. But people on this board hate doing things the easy way so they'll do all sorts of stupid shit instead of just being secure.

>>32544215
Yes yes yes

>>32544793
The problem that while I'm aware rejections don't really mean shit, they inflict too much pain to the point where I don't want to talk to a woman that rejected me ever again and I don't really want to talk to women at all for a while. It's gotten to the point where I'm afraid of talking to women because I know how fundamentally judgmental they are. It hurts me and I don't know if I can feel differently about it.

>>32544215
Blackpill is not objective, philosophically it's just Stoicism, or reasoning oneself into a state of inaction.

>>32544945
I might have too much autism to understand, but why? Why bother feeling pain about the opinion of some random person you don't know?

>>32544950
>philosophically it's just Stoicism
??? Have you even read any stoic literature?

Blackpillers are of course all wrong. Most of them are homosexuals in denial and that's why they make the most ridiculous excuses for why they never try to get girls. It has actually never been easier to get a girl than today. Just go online to dating sites and start looking.

>>32544215
>Are blackpillers right
100% correct. They are correct about blackpillers, that is. They are the kings of ‘self-fulfilled prophecy’. So yes, 100% correct. It turns out if you tell yourself you are a loser who should never try, that is exactly what happens, you never try.

That is the only thing blackpillers get right.

>it’s incredibly hard to get a woman unless you’re very sociable
No. You can be an introvert shy guy and still get your face sat on by a woman. Blackpillers don’t believe you get the woman if you’re sociable. Blackpillers believe that (you) and themselves will never get a woman, at all. Because ‘genetics’.

>is life easier than they try to portray
They don’t even have a life. Their portrayal of life comes from their ruminative thoughts, their imaginative lalaland. The reality is the blackpiller has the easiest life of all. Neetbuxx, no need to work, free money, roof over their head, food, warmth, just sitting there alone in their room. It’s the easiest life could ever give them yet they still claim life is horrific or helpless.

>all it takes is to be less autistic
Elon Musk is a turbo autistic, diagnosed. Richest man on Earth, married three times has 12 children and god knows how many women he had on the side. Autism isn’t an excuse.

>>32545102
Yes.

>>32545141
>just become the richest man in the world
lmfao

>>32545153
it's more like
>just be like the guy who became the richest man in the world
who is rich despite being a terminally autistic individual with severely impaired social skills

>>32545169
I've seen numerous women make fun of Elon because he acts autistic and a "dork"
Wealth doesn't matter

>>32545153
That wasn’t the lesson, autist. Why do autists do this? Why do they deliberately miss the implicit points or nuances of things said to them and instead inject their own narratives into it? I’m dead serious bros, can autists see their own thinking patterns? Are they aware?

The nuanced point you missed my humble autist is that despite being socially inept, someone with autism was able to be successful.

>>32545172
yeah but he still fucked grimes and that was after cucking johnny depp

>>32544215
it's the second, anon. simple as

>pills
>girls
>psyops

>>32545122
>go on dating site
>get auto filtered because you're below 5'10
what now

>>32545187
yeah cause he has infinite money and power
otherwise he'd just be another dorky fat loser

>>32545141
only reason he got anywhere in life is because his parents are rich as fuck
stop shilling this sigma male billionaire grindset nonsense

>>32545511
>stop shilling this sigma male billionaire grindset nonsense
I personally have an autistic friend I’ve known for years who has had rampant threesomes and fucked rave girls his whole twenties. He’s dorky as fuck too. The point is that if you’re not getting a girlfriend then
-Height isnt the excuse
-money or lack of isnt the excuse
-mental disorder isnt the excuse
-genetics arent an excuse
-being a fat fuck or a scrawny manlet is no excuse
-being handsome or not, sociable or not
No excuses.

What is killing the blackpiller is something called
Learned Helplessness, that is all. Nothing more, nothing less. Learned helplessness is basically, the silly bastard blackpiller made it a mental tradition to think to himself:
>”I’m a loser. I probably won’t/will never (x y or z)”

That is the thing fucking up the incel/blackpillers entire life. It’s so simple, it’s painfully simple that they will refuse to admit it because they don’t want to handle the shame of having it dawn on them that they fucked their own lives up
>For nothing.

How come I can tell myself that I'm able to learn anything but I'll never get a woman? Because if you give me enough time, I can get grandmaster at chess from scratch, but there's no amount of time that will make me desirable to women, truly desirable. You either have it or not

>>32544215
The run-of-the-mill blackpiller is correct in knowing
>it's over
But his reasoning for it (height ethnicity dick size face etc.) is too focused on the present. As it does with women, the past matters in men. You're supposed to learn how to socialize, develop your personality and interests, have your list of firsts, and all other manner of milestones in your youth. If you're asking
>why no gf
As a grown man you're so unequivocally in the over zone that, to most normal people, your situation is unfathomable and, as a result, any advice they give will be of little help. Most children don't read Dale Carnegie or lift big weights, but, by the time they grow up, they have decades of human experience under their belt. It is this experience, the nuance of social life that allows one to navigate conversations, relationships and more with confidence and security, that incels lack and can never attain. It's just like the wojak with the nice possessions and muscles. Just years of debilitating and unfixable social atrophy.
This is the Playpen Blackpill.

>>32545669
What's the solution

>>32544215
looking for answers too hard makes the process seem insurmountably difficult. It's something that comes easier if you simply loosen your grip on the matter and just "live". If you get out there and do things rather than exercising how to perfect things before you do them, you'll always remain in a state of "thinking" and never doing.

>>32544215
>Are blackpillers right
Not even slightly.

>>32545669
This was well written but I think it's just dumb luck of exposure
>>32544215
Chris-chan has a wife and child on the way. You just need to meet one or more of the 1000 women on the planet that will like you no matter what you do, basically.

>>32544215
The only way to succeed as an autistic is to practice semen retention. Even if it means giving away all of your electronics and putting your dick in a cage to achieve long term results. I’m autistic asf but managed to pull a girl for 3 1/2 years from doing SR. There’s no other way. Eventually they get tired of your autism and look for ways to break free but hey at least you had access to pussy for a time.

>>32546551
>There’s no other way.
Why lie?

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>>32544215
blackpillers are right, but they also know what is to be done to fix themselves & society at large. They're cowardly pussies too scared to self improve to fucking revolt against the gynocracy and the incel class is ultimately doomed to fail. I think they just don't have the drive to have children & cheat death. If you can convince these mfers that they're literally getting genocided from the genepool by women & chads and that consciousness or something of that sort is genedeep & can only survive by reproduction, you can motivate these people to atleast take collective action because the survival of genes and the force of life & consciousness is ultimately at stake.

>>32544398
>If you're not flirting with her + you're just being nice

Most important piece of advice here. I'm a complete coward and I fumble this everytime. I get friendzoned/rejected because I'm too low self esteem and I put on a mask. Don't be nice with women, just be upfront and have a backbone. Easier said than done though, I have PTSD from being abused by women & men since I was a kid + autism + I'm extremely ugly. But if you're reading this and are young please listen to this anon if you don't want to be friendzoned.

>>32547328
I'd actually claim that it's better to be in the friendzone as compared to being isolated from women for the very simple reason that you can get to infiltrate the enemy, especially if you manage to earn their trust. The more female-friendly you appear, the higher are the odds you'll earn the trust of foids.

>>32547352
It doesn't work like that. You're just her little plaything and then get no pussy. Also, you will grow miserable (unless you're a cuck) when she grows sexual with other men. Your subconscious will physically remind you each time of your unrequited attraction as an escape hatch. You will grow sick and weaken as your brain keeps telling you - "move the fuck on or start digging your own grave, cuz we're not getting any pussy here" - all while you foids play with your feelings. They know, that you know that they know, and sardonically take pleasure on baiting you like a donkey with a carrot on a stick.

all while* foids play with your feelings ffs it's getting late here

>>32547415
>It doesn't work like that. You're just her little plaything and then get no pussy.
How do you claim to be blackpilled if you're daydreaming that you'll magically get pity pussy for being an uggocel? You won't but that doesn't mean the friendzoned relationship won't be beneficial either. The benefits you'll ultimately gain are her social network, mutual help for career growth, her possibly intimate secrets which you can exploit in the future, etc.. As long as you're crystal clear with what ahs to be done, you'll not get depressed with the relationship.
>foids playing with your feelings
you won't succumb to that if you're blackpilled as you claim to be and absolutely sure that the incel revolution is the only solution which it is btw.
Sure, it's hard to not get played like a damn fiddle in the beginning but with conscious effort & practice you'll get used to the machiavellian, infiltrator/spy mindset

>>32547468
When did I claim to be black pilled?

>Daydreaming that you will magically get pity pussy for being an uggocel

No dumbass, I'm literally arguing against that in my posts. You, me nor anyone else will get pity pussy for being ugly. I didn't get pussy when I got friendzoned and tried to play along. Again, unless you're mentally ill (think Cuckoldry), your mind and body will resent you for keeping yourself in the friendzone. I'm advocating for anons to be upfront, cut their losses and accept their circumstances.

>You won't succumb to that if you're black pilled

Black pilled != Sociopathy . I had the same thought process that you have once in a long time, but when you experience first hand female manipulation, when the cracks in your psyche start showing after trying to play realpolitik in vain hopes of compensating your rejection with peripheral benefits then you've hit rock bottom.

>>32547527
>When did I claim to be black pilled?
you didn't per se, but you do accept the fact that you being ugly has a major role to play, nay?

>>32545494
See, things like that only happen in your masturbation fantasies. You don't want a girlfriend, you probably are a closeted homo, you only want excuses for not trying.

Blackpill is all about not trying, and making excuses for it.

>>32547821
Prime example here of a blackpill cultist lying out of his ass to try to demoralize people. Notice how he is telling you to not try because it's impossible. He wants you to never get a girlfriend.

>>32548013
>Blackpill is all about not trying, and making excuses for it.
More like not trying to revolt against the gynocracy. A revolution to become successful needs incredibly competent and resourceful folks and incels are just not that kind of people. They'd rather choose to resign themselves to the will of the gynocracy rather than fight against it. Sad

>>32548027
>gynocracy
What is that? Another one of your incel wank fantasies?

>>32548041
>What is that? Another one of your incel wank fantasies?
le chad & foid regime that has been genociding genes the of 'unattractive' men from the genepool. This literally is a war for genetic survival for incels i.e men deemed undesireable by foids who btw hold half the duopoly of the means to reproduce with the other half under the control of chads

>>32544215
Blackpillers want company in their absolute misery and they actively want to make you worse, don't fall for their bullshit

>>32548047
Isn't that how evolution is supposed to work? The absolutely bottom of the barrel tier men, incels, do not pass on their genes.

>>32548074
>Isn't that how evolution is supposed to work?
whatever survives, survives and whatever dies, dies. Incels banding together to put an end to the gynocracy to pass on their genes is just as natural as le gynocracy choking incels from ensuring their genetic survival. Btw, this is just an extension or natural consequence of your morally void, darwinistic, 'Might Is Right' ideology.

>>32548111
So you're telling everyone that a tiny fringe cult on the internet, made up of neets that hardly ever leave the basement, are somehow going to band together and revolt against... something?

>>32548168
>So you're telling everyone that a tiny fringe cult on the internet
nice cope given that more than half of young men are incels and are borderline blackpilled on the foid question.
> made up of neets that hardly ever leave the basement
desu, most of them aren't neets either but a good lot of them do avg joe jobs with a small percentage of them making big bucks. Point is, they do seem to lack leverage over society but things change if they truly band together and are dead serious to bring about change.

>>32547821
The last friend I made was a stripper I give money to so it's bad out there. She told me she met her current bf on the dating apps and it was long distance. Chad long distance with no charisma still wins. No one locally would ever have a chance. I think you actually need to steal girls from other men now to be successful.

I'm debating reentering the dating world after 13 years mid 30s. Losing patience for starfish wife with unenthusiastic sexual desire. It actually feels like I'm friendzoned in my own marriage. It's worse than no sex or being single. Just scared because it seems worse out there than marriage with pity sex.

Everything blackpillers say is objectively true but using that knowledge to seethe and complain is unmanly as fuck. A man should always strive to overcome great challenges. What are you, a woman?

>>32544215
If you are unsociable, yes it is hard. But what is unsociable to you? Think about it like getting a job. If you don't apply, don't cry when you don't get the job.

Plenty of men and women call themselves 'autists'. But we throw that term around here meaning 'not conventional'. Can you go to a bar, can you have a walk in the park and chat with someone? Can you speak without coming across like a total mong? Being shy, sensitive, having an inner monologue and choosing your words before you say them is not autism.

>>32544236
Bullshit. Go to the supermarket, park, a social event and you'll see men and women with different levels of 'attractiveness' together enjoying time together and doing normal stuff at home and in the bedroom.

If you have a horrible personality (not saying you have), you are fucked. So you can work on it, or not. This is for OP. There is basic human chemistry involved. Two people can be completely mismatched based 'how they look' and be incredibly happy.

>>32548612
>If you are unsociable, yes it is hard. But what is unsociable to you? Think about it like getting a job. If you don't apply, don't cry when you don't get the job.
That's the thing. I'm so tired about just reading about approaching women but I don't have any friends so I never meet more people by extension. I am ready to approach and talk to people, but it feels like adults don't want to meet adults in the real world.

>>32544215
Just know your station in life. I'm autistic but I'd consider myself semi-attractive, so I've managed to have some girlfriends. If you're a little weird, you're probably going to have to go for girls who are a little weird too. That's what I've learned over the years.

>>32548259
>more than half of young men are incels
This is perhaps the biggest lie incels tell themselves. You are nothing but a tiny minority and pretty much don't exist outside of internet echo chambers. No one knows any incels in real life. Because you spend all your time holed up inside, don't have jobs, don't have friends, don't socialize except with other incels online.

>>32544215
>Are blackpillers right and it's incredibly hard
no, flat out. it's tedious, it's annoying, but it's never, ever "incredibly hard"

you are never at risk, you are not exhausting your body until it breaks down, you are never scavenging to survive like a darfur war orphan. you are talking to girls, asking them something, and responding.

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>>32548259
>more than half of young men are incels
lmao by no stretch of the imagination

even most unlucky losers aren't black pilled or incel. they're just like screech or Urkel and no matter how many times they've been setback, they don't get triggered and seethe about it.

very, very few men ever become incel

blackpillers are wrong because they're focused on the wrong thing

in reality the only thing that matters is being in school or having mutual friends and using them to speak to women

they are wrong about everything else though
it's not incredibly hard but it's just dependant on being in 1 one of these 2 places

>>32550204
Except that you have no option to talk to girls if you arent in school or have someone who can set you up with them. There is objectivly nothing you can ask them or make them say anything to you, you have entire human history in front of you that proves it cannot be done outside of schools or friends.

>>32548612
Job doesnt let you at all to speak to women because it's an anti-social place that discourages people from flirting there. Everyone will tell you that you're not allowed to hit on women in your office etc.

No one speaks to strangers in bars. Every woman in there is just sitting with their boyfriend at table surrounded by men they came with and you have nothing to say to them to break them apart from that table.
NO one in human history has ever spoken there. Read a book or engage with any aspect of human culture, there has never been any words that men could say in a bar to chat with any women in there. Thinking the opposite is pure autism.

If you ever interacted with human culture you'd know there are no possible words that men can say in that environment to meet women, it's verifiable fact. Every book, every movie, every post on every website has 0 first person dialogue written in this setting because women are biologically incapable of responding to men who try to rip them away from their table meats

>>32548259
>more than half of young men are incels
Sources cited: Anon's ass

>>32548639
>If you have a horrible personality (not saying you have), you are fucked.
This.

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>>32544771
hollywood told me that it would just happen on its own and some girl would see me and go "i can fix him" and then pursue me, like garden state or 500 days of summer
>this is what i unironically believed
combine that with a phobia of looking desperate (which i defined as taking literally any action socially- i could never invite people to shit, it would only be socially acceptable and safer for me to wait for them to invite me) and you get a 26 year old khv

>>32545095
Unfortunately, our worth in society is determined by other people's opinions of us. Therefore, it's imperative that everyone only think good things about me.

>>32550198
they're not wrong if they stretch the definition of incel to "any man not currently getting laid for a long stretch of time". young people are fucking a lot less than they were in previous decades, that's a literal proven fact. it's also a fact that most of the males in that population aren't blackpilled incels

>>32551776
>hollywood told me that it would just happen on its own and some girl would see me and go "i can fix him" and then pursue me, like garden state or 500 days of summer
lmaooo you've never seen a second of 500 days of summer

>>32551848
i just heard that it was one of those manic pixie dream girl movies so i assumed that was the core plot kek

>>32544215
>Are blackpillers right and it's incredibly hard to get a woman unless you're very sociable
I'm as far from sociable as you could ever get (absolute autismo) and I've had women approach me in the past. I have literally never in my entire life approached a woman, they have all chased me.
The last one was a psychologist who's 8 years older than me (she's 35) who's my aunt's friend. We met at the christmas party and she somehow got a hard on for me and started telling my aunt they were going to become related, and then started talking to me on Instagram.
Just telling my story, an honest autismo with 0 social skills. It happens.

>>32551776
some girls do have the hots for you for no reason, or at least it has happened to me from time to time but that doesn't really mean they are too many, they are your best choice or that they will even initiate
I look approachable so girls who were attracted to me did so but most men look angry or at least very serious so most girls just flirt if anything and don't come to you, you gotta go and talk to them
that's not hard work anon and unless you're in high school and trying to talk to the popular kids no one will receive your attempt at just talking as something bad.
Of course you can't go from khv to a cold approacher, making friends, both male and female would be a good first step
build a social circle
from the social circle you hone your socializing skills plus many times they'll introduce you to new girls who you might potentially date

>>32551897
>I'm as far from sociable as you could ever get (absolute autismo)
ok but are you on the level of "spend 90% of every day in your room and interact with at most 3 people a day for a combined 2 minutes"? the worst part is that i've been tested for autism several times in my life and they all came up negative, so i don't even have that excuse. i'm just a fucking lazy degenerate scumbag

>>32551848
>>32551869
this right here is why i shouldn't even try approaching girls, because i know that this is what will happen. i'll make a wildly inaccurate assumption and will come off as a retard (which isn't far from the truth at all desu, but it's not like anyone has to know that). my gut instincts are always fundamentally wrong and bc of that i can't be trusted to navigate the fucking labyrinth that is human courtship

>>32551920
I haven't left my house in 2 months because I'm on vacation from university and whenever I have classes, I make a beeline from home to uni and vice versa, never talking to anybody. I'd say I'm a 7 to 8/10 on the autism scale. I don't think I have a single real life friend, only people I know from video games.
Funnily enough I have never been approached by anybody in university, the girls there literally only go for the chad fratboy types. All the girls that approached me were older than me and I met them in 'unusual' places.

>>32551944
>I met them in 'unusual' places.
my problem is that i never ever go even to "unusual places". i don't go or do anything at all, and i don't want to change that because it's comfortable, and i hate that i don't really want to change it
>We met at the christmas party
like doing this at all is a leg up over me lmao

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>>32550252
sure it ain't 50% according to this graph, but it's still high. God knows what kind of fudgery is done with the data collected so as to push a certian narrative or message.

>>32553280
>this data is wrong because it hurts my feefees
Once again proving incels are a cult.

>>32553331
>this data is wrong because it hurts my feefees
alright then, tell me how one checks the integrity of data

>>32544215
Yes, they’re right. Humans are only animals at the end of the day, and blackpill can be seen in the animal kingdom everyday.

>>32553376
How about you first check the integrity of the "data" that blackpillers use.

>>32553436
doesn't this just mean feelings have triumphed over 'facts' given the fact that there's foul play in fACtuAL REasONiNG?

>>32544398
>every guy will swear to you that women like men for things other than their look
Anyone who's old enough remembers this, and it's true. Of course everyone knew women liked handsome men, but back then most people met in person, so men could display other attractive traits instead of just looks.
This remains true. When you meet in person you can usually attract a girl 2 or 3 points over what you usually get on dating apps or social media, and the key is confidence.

So when a woman uses a dating app she filters by looks, because what else is there to filter for? She has no idea what the man is like, and a zillion average dudes like her profile, so why wouldn't she do that?

>>32544215
>Are blackpillers right
stopped there.
No.
Blackpillers are wrong.

>>32553280
>The average age men lose virginity is 19 years 4 months
>thinks overall 18% virginity for all men aged 18-29 (including faggots) is high
lol
lmao, even

>>32544215
>have to be sociable to meet people including women

This is not rocket science.

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>>32544215
Reality
>You have to talk to women to get laid
Black Pill
>THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

>>32554579
that's nearly 1 in 5 men, anon

When people find that you can make them happy they want to be around you, but if you're like a robot to them, they don't want to as much. The issue with autism is that it make someone into a nuisance you have to babysit all the time, and that can be exhausting. To prevent exhaustion women avoid autistic people.

>>32544215
Yeah, they're right. I tried to get my shit together afterschool and attempted to get a social life. I worked on being more sociable, joined clubs of different varieties, did my best to be likable to others, tried to be earnest and open to learning, ditching having an ego and stuff y'know...the shit everyone tells you to do. About 2 years in I have zero results to show because.......I'm autistic. As a result im permantley bitter, angry and depressed at the world and everyone for all the time wasted. They can and WILL sense your autistic, so if you ARE autistic just give up.

>>32555187
mental illness is often assoicated with ugly physicality ya know

>>32555219
Im average height, average looks and white. average average average average average average. The mental illness was not there before I tried putting effort.

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>>32551933
>this right here is why i shouldn't even try approaching girls, because i know that this is what will happen. i'll make a wildly inaccurate assumption and will come off as a retard
you could just not talk about movies you haven't seen? you won't be embarrassed by lying if you don't do it. every religion and ethical system has it's version of "don't bear false witness" and it's usually meant for accusing people of crimes, but on a less serious note, it's also saying life will be easier if you don't talk about things you haven't done like an expert

hope this helps

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>>32544215
I'm 5'8 latino in southern california and hook up with cute women, desu tho I've never had a gf, not sure if I'd be able to keep one, get one yeah I know I can but idk if I can put up with the relationship stuff before she discovers that I'm really just unemotional and uncaring at the end of the day and just "faking" it, but the way I've hooked up or met has been through lesser known apps reddit, doublelist, pure app, feeld, and locanto for mexico

I'm talking frequently to two "normal" women at the moment, one is a white girl that lives an hour north, another is a latina an hour south, I banged the latina and the white girl is down to bang but I havent met up yet

I was also talking to a goth latina wife/gf that was in a relationship (I ended up talking to that one on the Hush app), I ended up banging her the day after thanksgiving but havent talked to her recently aside from a new years text she lives about an hour and 40 away

As far as looks go, I have "looksmaxxed", I got a hair transplant about two years ago which helped me stay with a youthful hairline, I stay relatively slim, I also apply tretinoin every other day and am on anti-aging and anti-hairloss stuff, right now I'm in a way attempting to reverse aging with NMN

I think I may have messed myself up banging a boatload of escorts/brothel women but it was a nice ride

At the end of the day though, I think I enjoy being alone and reading or doing whatever I like

I feel like most modern relationships are destined to fail with the way the world is now, rising costs, hypergamy, digital apps where a woman can get a new guy with the swipe of a finger, ease of infidelity, etc.

I'm just riding on into the apocalypse, enjoying the decline

I'm the tijuana anon guy, pic related is an escort I saw this weekend, I ended up cumming inside her, all that for 3100 pesos, 150ish us dollars

You know, I do see a lot of "successful" guys banging these girls

anyway, happy new year, the last one fucking flew by

>>32547270
the ultimate blackpill is knowing that incels & their brethren won't do jackshit inspite of knowing what is to be done to orchestrate a revolt of any kind because they're too damn, demoralised, lazy, retarded and just beyond any hope. They brought this fate upon themselves. It's one thing to acknowledge the lookism-hypergamy blackpill but it's an whole another thing to do something about this unsustainable system.

>>32555743
>It's your fault for not throwing a revolution
You are illiterate about how coups work.
Peasant revolts are fiction.

>>32555776
>Peasant revolts are fiction.
You only need a handful of competent folks in key positions of power or atleast know weaknesses in social instituions to exploit, have the ability to organize & mobilize men and have totally bought into the movement/ideology. Russian revolution is the textbook example as to how peasants & minor nobles can rise to the top

>>32555817
>& minor nobles
Yes, minimize and discard.

We don't live in a pre-industrial society.
We live in instant communication and drone warfare.
Pesant revolts where never strong, and now are non-existent, and your tring to assert incels should rise up.

Go be cringe somewhere else.

>>32544215
I see both sides of it personally. From my understanding, the best opportunities to get girlfriends are by being in the same sort of situation as them. By having common interest and kinship, it already builds a nice foundation that you can riff from there.

To really gfmaxx, what you do is put yourself into as many situations like that as you can in order to increase your chances of finding a mate. So by being at church, going to running meets, book clubs, work/college mixers, etc and doing ALL of the above, you'll be most successful. Of course if you're an introvert and get tired of being around people all day every day, it's going to suck and be very uncomfortable, so people like that are already at a huge disadvantage.

In essence, yes it's very difficult if you're not an outgoing or confident person. It's also hard to build up that confidence as a man because, whether they admit it or not, virtually all women want to be led in the relationship, and if you have zero experience in a relationship then how are you supposed to do that. If you're able to fake being normal/less autistic and grit through social events though, it will get easier over time.

>>32555102
Yes, no shit.
Look, dumbfuck, 6 in 10 18 year old and 1 in 2 19 year old men AND WOMEN are virgins.
SO WHAT?!

>>32555233
>The mental illness was not there before I tried putting effort.
so you're also retarded, sure

>>32557733
it's a fair amount higher than it was in the past, and the trend shows no sign of slowing down. many of us zoomers just sit at home all day, or as much as we can outside of obligations

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>>32547270
>INCEL REVOLT
kek, not going to happen for the next thousand years. Men will always continue being slaves to the chad-foid duopoly bucko. Either you folks better start getting competent and use your ugliness, autism and fear of genetic death as a drive to self-improve to revolt or continue rotting like you've always done for thousands of years in the past & watch your genes die infront of your own eyes while chads & foids continue breeding like there was no tomorrow

>>32558399
>alexander datepsych

I hate this gaslighting faggot like you wouldn’t believe.

>>32558548
where's the lie in what he'd stated? Incels are cowards. Full stop. You folks know what is to be done but don't have the balls nor brains to pull it off. You lack empathy for your fellow brocels and wouldn't give a flying fuck about the suffering of your fellow men who're just in the same boat as you are.

>>32558399
Posting threats on the internet is indeed silly behavior

But putting in work to become betabuxx is lame

>>32558595
>where’s the lie?

Him pretending there’s no problem, that’s what. And you can fuck off with your “le incel revolution” psyop and shove it where the sun don’t shine, glowie-kun.

>>32558671
the only glowies itt are clowns like you who try to demoralize young men from adopting responsibility, becoming competent and encouraging them to do what's right.

>>32558686
>yes goy, go ahead and arm yourself to shoot up those hated chads and stacies
>we’ll show those women where they belong!
>fbi? I-I-I’m not fbi whatcha talking about..
Nice try CIA.

>>32544398
>Tl;dr life's so essy that getting a woman is too much of a challenge
I love you for this.

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>>32558749
>rising up the socio-economic hierarchy is le bad
>becoming competent & highly sociable atleast with ur fellow men is le bad
>possessing the ability to mobilize men is le bad
>red-black pilling men on the foid-chad question is le bad
>becoming a fifth column within the establishment to push for pro-male policies is le bad
better luck next time glowie san.

>>32544398
*slow clap

Bravo anon. Bravo.

>>32544730
>inceldom
They were tricked into jumping into a tar pit.

You know what I realized once I improved my game? Hooking up is the easy part but finding a quality woman that wants to be in a monogamous relationship is the hard part, the last time I almost took someone home she was smoking hot but I couldn't get past how fn crazy she was after she continued to get blackout drunk that night, also when you start becoming friends with women you start to value being single because the truth is most women are a pita and there's a lot of bullshit you have to put up with in a relationship just to get your dick wet, sex comes with a price tag whether you're in a relationship or hire an escort, all those normie bros with girlfriends you better believe they're going to say "yes honey" when they answer to their demands.

>>32558686
>the only glowies itt are clowns like you who try to demoralize young men from adopting responsibility, becoming competent and encouraging them to do what's right.

Shuddap you dork, do you even have friends irl and talk to women?

>>32556592
>In essence, yes it's very difficult if you're not an outgoing or confident person. It's also hard to build up that confidence as a man because, whether they admit it or not, virtually all women want to be led in the relationship, and if you have zero experience in a relationship then how are you supposed to do that. If you're able to fake being normal/less autistic and grit through social events though, it will get easier over time.

You don't even have to be confident and everyone has anxiety or insecurities, idk why autists think of normies has being these infallible beings exempt from all the problems called the human condition?

>>32555187
>.I'm autistic. As a result im permantley bitter, angry and depressed at the world and everyone for all the time wasted

You're masking around these people and yes I still get like this but managed to keep it at a minimum so everyone just thinks "oh he's having a bad day", maybe I got lucky and I'm in their good graces but I kek at all the secrets, gossiping and backstabbing that they all tell me

>>32558817
>do you even have friends irl
butt loads. I've been working super hard to befriend as many men as I can as soon as I got blackpilled & relaized that the incel revolution was the only solution.
>foids
a tiny portion as they actively ignore me when I try to approach them even when I make it clear that I'm only looking for companionship more than romance or hookups. But when I do befriend one, I try my level best to retain that friendship as it can be exploited in the future.

>>32558828
they might as well be compared to us, with how little they struggle

>>32558868

That's good you're making friends with other men, male bonding is important but also having female friends is important as well, I'm friends with people and genders of various ages, some normies are actually p based and a few I know even have named the jew, some of my female friends are incredibly based but are off the market.

>>32558871
>they might as well be compared to us, with how little they struggle

normies have their own problems but when you spend enough time around them you'll start to find out that they're just better at faking it.

Where i live(the rural us) i wish it was this way. Its far more gut punching when its not chad scoring with all the women(even though yes those exist even out here) but an average or even below average fat socially retarded loser or a methhead with holes in his teeth and baby mammas thats scoring. If it was chad, it wouldnt be that bad, because you would have a nicely packaged excuse, you were born a certain way, you didnt do whatever young enough, you arent fit. But out here, where the bar is lower because religion and culture dictates women marry young, you have no excuse for being alone other than you are objectively worse than most dudes. And with the bar being lower, it also means no matter where you go, you are fucked. A rural 3 is a big city -10. Its being shown you have no hope, no matter how hard you try, and the older you get the more fucked you are.

>>32558887
thx, but our approaches to addressing the incel problem is different. I'm keenly aware of the fact that no amount of socializing, money or status will make me attractive in the eyes of a woman thx to my short stature and balding head.

>>32558895
>better at faking it
Maybe, but they're also a lot better at coping than we are. NTA but I wish I could just meet someone special and decide to make them my whole life, for example. Or call up family or friends for support. I wish I could go out to the bar on a Friday night and forget my problems for a few hours. Fuck.

>>32558868
>a tiny portion as they actively ignore me when I try to approach them even when I make it clear that I'm only looking for companionship more than romance or hookups. But when I do befriend one, I try my level best to retain that friendship as it can be exploited in the future.

That's your problem, don't mention anything about you wanting to have a relationship, better to be ambiguous. You're opening up emotionally when you should be getting them to open up to you about their passions, fears and desires.

>>32558910
>That's your problem
I'm short and ugly. What do you expect ?

>>32558903
>thx, but our approaches to addressing the incel problem is different. I'm keenly aware of the fact that no amount of socializing, money or status will make me attractive in the eyes of a woman thx to my short stature and balding head.

incels aren't much different than the femcels on reddit, both groups are sub 5s that think they deserve a 10/10, I've browsed those MRA subs and sure the stats are accurate but they see themselves as perpetual victims of women which is just a type of humiliation ritual to me.

>>32558907
>I wish I could go out to the bar on a Friday night and forget my problems for a few hours. Fuck.

I started going out to different places where I've made friends, you have to be a regular at those places for awhile and it has to be a daily routine before they'll accept you that is if you pass the mustard, spend enough time around them and you'll come quick to realize that not much has changed with adults since HS. Now that I'm a social jester I honestly going to start gymmaxxing and spending my free time doing other things since my social skills are decent.

>>32558916
>I'm short and ugly. What do you expect ?

that's a bs excuse, there's this short ugly guido I know who has a kid, divorced but it didn't stop him from getting some attractive bitch since his kid didn't get hit with the ugly stick

>>32558923
but femcels have access to cheap chad sperm(free in some cases) which they can use to ascend and win the game of genetic survival. What do we've access to ? Eggs are expensive as hell and hard to preserve unlike sperm and then there's the problem of rearing the fertilized egg inside a womb. There's also additional problems like breastfeeding the newborn kid and indulging cuddling that's crucial for child development, something that only a woman can provide. Almost al cryo banks are built primarily to cater towards female needs more than male needs for the simple reason that it's too fucking hard & expensive to store female-gametes unlike male gametes that are abundant & cheap.
Sure, us incels don't want stacies or stacey lites because it's beyond our reach, but we do want someone who is in the same percentile as us in terms of smv. A 99th percentile woman should match with a 99th percentile man and a 10 percentile woman should match with a 10th percentile man. However I don't see that appening at all.

>>32558943
>but femcels have access to cheap chad sperm

no they don't, these miserable cat ladies think all men are rapists, Chad definitely isn't having sex with a buncha fat purple haired freaks

>>32558895
if you have the ability to fake it, you have at least something going for you that allows you to do that

>>32558943
>but femcels have access to cheap chad sperm(free in some cases) which they can use to ascend and win the game of genetic survival
My brother in christ, do you have any clue what the process or price shelf is for artificial insemination? In what universe do women get $20,000 medical procedures for free?

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>>32559035
>In what universe do women get $20,000 medical procedures for free?
learn to read properly. Btw, a quick google search tells me it's as expensive as building a decent gaming pc
>>32558955
chad may not be having sexo with them, but he certainly will be ready to donate bottles of his semen if requested to and promised that he won't be sued to provide childcare money

>>32558916
You're ugly on the inside, yes. That's fixable.

>>32559334
>You're ugly on the inside, yes
what does it mean though?

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>>32558916
>>32559376

This is the golden age that you are living through right now. Humanity has never had it better. Haven't you heard? Jews are losing bigly and we are winning, in fact we have already won and everything is great now, patriots are in control.

If you aren't living a joyous, prosperous and fulfilling life it's a YOU problem.

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>>32559750
>If you aren't living a joyous, prosperous and fulfilling life it's a YOU problem.
ok jew

>>32550223
Hi schooler.
You still seething in this thread?

This thread is full of copers. If it was as easy to get a girlfriend, as some of you made it out to be; every man would have one. There's only a few volunteer incels. The reason video game and porn consumption are so high is because of the inability to meet womens high demands, so men have checked out.

You're using data that is not even trustworthy and can be easily manipulated. Men aren't going to voluntarily come forward and admit to being incel.

You also have to quit using "there are non chads with girlfriends" arguments. Most of these relationships are transactional in nature. An average guy that has a girlfriend or wife is busting his ass at work, and then giving his woman money; or she's just using him in some other capacity. Many times, women just use him as a placeholder until the chad in her life comes back around to pump and dump her again. So these relationships that you cite are bullshit for the most part, because women are never happy with a sub 8 man.

Social media has destroyed all relationships for the current generation. When a woman who is not even that attractive can post a selfie online and have 1000 men start hitting her up immediately, why in the world would she settle for anything less than a Chad?

Likewise, an average man posting a selfie gets likes from his fellow bros...and maybe a few female relatives.

And in the mean time you just set around and watch chad pump and dump while you're told you're not working hard enough to get a woman, or you're not kind enough or some other bullshit.

The game is completely rigged for women which is why you constantly see them defending the system and acting like you're the one with a problem.

>>32559757
Based /pol/ poster

The only real advice that barely works is get fit and make money. Love advice is honesty pointless. You will never find that golden answer you are looking for.

>>32544215
life is easier than they portray

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>>32544215
They're right in that appearance matters a lot for women

Although if you're sociable you can get a gf most likely BUT will she actually like you? as in find you actually attractive? Your gf might talk to her friends about how ugly you are, it does happen, even if you're funny or whatever, she can still find your appearance repulsive, and that, imo, breaks EVERYTHING about a relationship and it completely turns me off from pursuing one
I can deal with an "ugly girl" because if I like her and she makes me feel good then I don't care how she looks, I'll find her attractive. Can women say the same? No, their demands are very strict, their brains aren't the same as men's

>>32559943
tl;dr
You ignore all facts presented in this thread and continue to spread blackpill lies.

>>32548639
I cant actually believe that a man can fid his way into this site and still be this much of a bluepilled dumbass.

This isnt even some manosphere, redpilled mantra, its just common sense that people end up with their same SMV counterpart. Its intuitive.

Your retarded premise is unintuitive. People arent happy with getting 10 coins if they know they could be getting 20 coins for the same amount of effort. This is basic economic reasoning. Why would it be different here.

The reason why you're offering no real data but instead is telling me to "go outside" (appeal to normality, from surely an ugly freakazoid) should clue you in, but the reason why you think there are women that date ugly men is firslty because those couples stand out (becuase its unintuitive). You think its a matter of personality but I'ts likely a matter of projecting power. These ugly guys probably have money or power or someway they can project an image of confidence and success. They arent just nice guys.

>>32560937
I cant actually believe that a man can find his way into this site and still not realize femanons exist. anon that "just go outside" post is typical femanon, along with "just talk to her in person" and "just ask her out in person" and "just be social and confident", femanons really want in person attention now, the apps aren't cutting it.

>>32561036
Retarded advice that will never work, women lie all the time

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>>32559943
>Many times, women just use him as a placeholder until the chad in her life
this is absolutely true and not even long time marriage can save you

Why wouldn't you want to be social? It's not something that you can't learn and it opens up so many doors it's not even funny and not just in terms of sex/dating either.
You can't possibly expect to be an asocial retard who can't maintain a conversation and then expect to reap the benefits of being social. You'd have to get quite lucky or very good looking indeed.

>>32544215
For the most part, they are right. In fact, i'd argue that it's even worse than they make it out to be.
Imagine you're an average guy, 20 years ago. You have hobbies. The internet exists, but decent dating platforms do not. Smartphones aren't a thing. You meet women through your hobbies, or you just talk to them. It's the accepted and only way of meeting people.
Imagine you're a woman 20 years ago. You sign up for a dating site. But all the guys are weirdos, and the ones that aren't have the luxury of picking. Most normal guys are out there, in real life, doing things. You eventually log out and go back to touching grass.

>today
War never changes. But dating sure has. These days, talking to a woman IRL is seen as weird. Chances are they'll feel bothered if you do. If they want to date, they swipe until they find a good looking guy. Statistically, there's enough of those around. And if they just absolutely positively want to get laid for a night, they swipe right on the next best guy they see.

>Sounds pretty bad, Anon! But surely you're just a doomsayer?
Nope. Statistics show that most couples these days have met on dating apps. With an upwards trend.

>Alright, I'll hit the gym
The gym can't reverse hair loss. Nor make you any less awkward.

>This Podcaster/youtuber/influencer/whatever has a course on how to date women
And his audience consists of single men paying for his advice. His income is quite literally dependant on you remaining single. This is why you don't give money to tate.

On the bright side, it could be worse. You could be stunted emotionally by abusive parents/bullying. And as much as mental health awareness is a thing everyone loves, nobody actually wants to be aware.
With any luck you live in a country that has legal prostitution. But that doesn't come close to being loved by a real person.

I suppose the best metaphor would be imagining your life, and then imagining getting it kneecapped with .50bmg. You will never walk again.

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>>32544215
It's literally not possible for many guys just based on raw numbers, there's a male surplus and factoring in that women tend to prefer more social professions and thus concentrate in cities there's a dearth of women in more rural areas skewing things even further there. Add in the fact that the migrants coming into Europe tend to be majority male and you get a society with insane numbers.

There's 5% more men than women born, this is just a biological phenomona, and this makes makes sense given that until recently men died earlier much moreso than women (and still do, although much less) to an insane degree however with prenatal care, the welfare state, vaccines and technology meaning than many of these male babies live and due to the lack of disease extreme poverty and war in western society these kids are able to grow old and not die there's simply too many men off the bat for them all to have 1 partner each.

Factor in female hypergamy and everything else on top of these numbers and you see it's basically over. Even if an incel cleans his room, works out etc. in many cases there literally are no available women to shack up with in the first place, to say otherwise is like going to India or China (places with similar demographic issues) and saying "just change your clothes and women will appear bro" like lmfao THERE ARE NO FUCKING WOMEN IN THE FIRST PLACE LMAO.

This video made me realize how over it is, honestly the best video on the incel situation i've seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJwMw065M58

There's simply too many men and not enough women, that's it. Going by pic rel it's only going to get worse, In Canada the excess male population has been growing rapidly (I'm not Canadian however Canada's situation looks like it's going to be pretty indicative of what'll be happening to the west at large).

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>>32544215
>Are blackpillers right and it's incredibly hard to get a woman unless you're very sociable
No, and it's a very terminally online point of view. You start getting out into the real world regularly and it starts to feels extremely alien immediately.

It's the kind of thing you're only saying if you have literally zero friends you regularly hang out with, you don't have any hobbies that get you out of the house and interacting with people, and you're not talking with the people around you in general. In any other environment, people saying weird blackpill shit like
>hurrrr I'm not squintmaxxing enough to maxx out my jawbonemaxxing for my knee surgery because of my heightism because stacy only wants a chadmaxxed alpha but alas I am a betabuxx watching betamaxx on my maxxipad eating marzipan hurrrrrrrr
Come off as the most out of touch people in the fucking UNIVERSE.

>>32544236
>They're correct if you are below average in appearance
Not even. Average men find average women and uggos find other uggos. Life, uh, finds a way.

>>32544291
>Go read books on it
It's not NOT worth doing because the books aren't that long, aren't that complicated, and a decent reader can finish them all in a week or two, but books only help people in circumstances where you're already interacting with women, you're just striking out with them and need a routine to make it work. You need to create the opportunity for any of the reading to matter. Most OPs, if we could magic one into existence, really just need the adult equivalent of a tiger mom to sign them up for a bunch of shit then ENDLESSLY nag them till they're actually going out two or three times a week to hang out with people every week for two years, because they don't have willpower or consistently and that's about how long it'd take to unfuck being social retards, buy them enough time to accidentally meet some women that wanna fuck 'em, then fuck them.

>>32545553
>Learned Helplessness, that is all.
this

>>32561059
Not as much as incels lie.

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>>32544215
I've had this thought churning in my head for a while. The blackpill on women is for the most part correct but most anons who take it have an adverse or allergic reaction to the blackpill while simultaneously abusing it as a cope and or vindication of their own shitty behaviors.

Most normies, even women themselves, are aware at some level, of the true nature of things I think. Hale, healthy people do not go around trying to argue and debate what they know or trying to convince other people or use it to justify themselves to others. They internalize what they know an act accordingly. Men especially need to learn to do this again rather than being emotional flighty fags who need to prove themselves right about everything.

Anons on 4chan will use the blackpill as a cope for their own failings. Porn, junk food, shitposting, consuming slop in its every form, et al is not self destructive and self sabotage it's actually pragmatism because they will never ever get a gf! Weak people allow problems and challenges to overwhelm and destroy them. I'm sure thousands of young men have been psyop'd by this place into demoralization by a few other people who want everyone to be as miserable and hopeless as them. Though, is it really a bleak nuclear winter out there? Of course. But what you plan to do about it is nobody's fault or responsibility but your own and if you chill the fuck out and make yourself into a smart strong capable person who you yourself like the chances of finding a one in ten girl who isn't a whore and worth your time goes up. I have no idea why anyone would ever argue about turning yourself into a smart strong capable person who you yourself like or how that would somehow hurt your chances or make your life worse.

>>32562148
Very true, one shouldn't lay down and rot, but it can be hard to find the motivation, it's understandable

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>>32562128
>>32562053
>>32558809
Honestly what I hate about this discussion is thats it's all predicated on there being enough available women in the first place. A good rule of thumb for conversations like this should be "would this advice work in a country with a sex ratio like Qatar (302.187 men ages 15-65 per 100 women in same age bracket)" and if not then shut up. All this advice on getting bitches rings pretty fucking hollow if there are no bitches to get in the fucking first place.

>>32562169
>hurr you'd be wrong if we all lived in qatar
yes, and?

>>32562139
Argue with what I said here >>32562113 and here >>32562169 , if there's too many men and not enough women what are all these excess men supposed to do? What advice do you have for them? In the US there's 104.841 men in the 15-65 age bracket as compared to women (obviously not factoring in illegals not documented on any paperwork so the actual number is probably worse), what advice do you have for them?

>>32560507
>will she actually like you

Yes. They literally did a study showing that a woman’s appearance had a massive impact on her husband’s happiness while it had zero effect vice versa.

>>32558901
>women don’t care that much for looks #574891
>these ugly fat dudes get cute gfs
>i can’t do that for some reason

Behold incel (non)logic

>>32558794
>still pretending he’s not a glowie

You fags really aren’t subtle you know that?

>>32562182
He/she will tell you to just become a famous actor or a famous litty rapper.

>>32562179
>>hurr you'd be wrong if we all lived in qatar
You fucking retard, if a bunch of developed countries with incels have excess men and you're giving advice then if that advice isn't applicable to the same demographic situation magnified then it's pretty fucking shitty advice.

Example: If I'm in a country with dirty water and my solution is to use water purification plants to clean the water my solution would work whether it's 5% of people with dirty water or 500% because the advice is sound.

Malta, Singapore, Faroe Islands, Greenland, Slovenia, Iceland, Andorra, South Korea, Sweden, Nauru, Marshall Islands, United States of America, Czechia, Luxembourg, Norway, Finland, Cyprus, Germany, Bulgaria, Japan, Estonia, Switzerland, Cayman Islands, Slovakia, Romania, Denmark, Turkey, Argentina, Austria etc. all have more men than women in the 15-65 age range.

If your advice wouldn't work in the demographic situation of Qatar one might stop to think why the fuck would it work in Pakistan or the United States?

>>32562224
>f your advice wouldn't work in the demographic situation of Qatar one might stop to think why the fuck would it work in Pakistan or the United States?
...Because it's not Qatar? A 3 to 1 ratio is extremely fucked, sure, but a 105:100 ratio isn't notable for essentially the same reason you correctly wouldn't accept, if in the US the ratio was 100:105,
>There's an excess of women, any man who can't date in this environment is retarded

Also assume I pretended that difference mattered - what of the gays? Dig into those numbers a bit and something like 2-10% of the US male population depending on which stats you trust is literally gay. In every study I just checked, lesbians are in much lower quantity, usually around 1.5% or less regardless of what the male number is. This suggests that for differences in men-women ratios less than like 6-10% in these developed countries, there's a partner for every man, even accounting for gender disparity, because objectively more men are removing themself from the male-woman dating pool.

>>32562219
Only 10-15% of people are estimated to posses self awareness [Tasha Eurich, Harvard Business Review, 2018] and inner speech occurred within approximately one quarter of sampled moments in one study of college students [Christopher L. Heavey, Russell T. Hurlburt, "The phenomena of inner experience", 2008].

There's another interesting study on inner speech and university students as well with a larger sample size and less pessimistic results [Alain Morin, Christina Duhnych, Famira Racy, "Self‐reported inner speech use in university students", 2018].

Overall my opinion is that most people are essentially cattle, fleshy automatons, and so while I know they're likely going to spout nonsense it's still interesting to see what they'll come up with.

>>32562148
Quality post. Should be enshrined over /adv/.

>>32562271
>...Because it's not Qatar?
If I see a thirsty man and tell him to drink water this advice would be salient if it were 10, 100 or 1000 thirsty men. If your advice, which presumably consists of "work on yourself bro", doesn't work for 10 thirsty men why would it work for 9? or 8? or 7? or 6? or 5?

The underlying situation is the same throughout all these countries, too many men and not enough women. If the personal advice wouldn't address the underlying situation in one it stands to reason that it'd presumably not work in the others.

>A 3 to 1 ratio is extremely fucked, sure,
And what is your advice to those men in that extremely fucked situation?

>but a 105:100 ratio isn't notable for essentially the same reason you correctly wouldn't accept, if in the US the ratio was 100:105,
Why wouldn't I accept the situation as being notable if there were 100 men for every 105 women? Also 105:100 is clearly notable, what are these surplus men to do in your opinion? Keep in mind the demographic tendency for women to be in cities so in rural areas the tendency for there to be more men than women will be increased and even in the cities foreigners who are majority male are moving in so the competition is heightened, what are these men to do?

>Also assume I pretended that difference mattered
Retard moment.

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>>32562271
>Also assume I pretended that difference mattered - what of the gays?

>Dig into those numbers a bit and something like 2-10% of the US male population depending on which stats you trust is literally gay.
This is literally bullshit, the population that identifies as LGBT is rising however this encompasses everything from women who claim to be bi but only date men (all of them), guys who only date women but would let a dude give them head if they didn't have to look at them and trans people. The amount of the population that is gay isn't 10%, that's absurd. Most LGBT individuals say they are bisexual, gays are 1.4% of the US adult population and lesbians 1.0%.

I doubt there's any recent large scale studies with the Kinsey scale however there should be.

>>32562328
>And what is your advice to those men in that extremely fucked situation?
Probably "move out of qatar"? It's clearly a massive outlier.

>Why wouldn't I accept the situation as being notable if there were 100 men for every 105 women
Didn't expect you to say this would matter, but I just think you're kinda dumb if you do. You should be accounting for a certain level of
>populations constantly have people born and die, and the moment you take the snapshot matters
Ideally you should be assuming something like a 5% swing in either direction is essentially meaningless, especially given that you see pretty consistent 5-10% swings across age groups even within these countries, it's pretty typical and doesn't mean anything - at any given time, there will be a few countries above the 50% line, but looking at births, they pretty quickly regress to the mean of 100. I therefore think most of your argument, with the exceptions of serious outliers like Qatar, is dumb - it's basically all random noise and gathering a list of "these countries are up" is kinda dumb because there will always be countries that are up.

>Retard moment.
Given that you completely ignored the argument that followed which seems to explicitly refute more than half of your listed chart and your entire argument in basically all of the developed world? Yeah, but on your part, not mine, retard.

>>32562384
That's where I got the 2% number, and yeah I'd love better kinsey counting because there's a lot of bi people, but consider that even the most pessimistic stat you've pulled suggest that at absolute lowest, the ratio of gays to lesbians is 3:2 - more men then women are removed from the dating pool by this.

We can bicker about the size of the cohort, but fact of the matter is you already agree with me: we're only haggling on the final percentage of excess men this removes from the dating pool.

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>>32562271
>This suggests that for differences in men-women ratios less than like 6-10% in these developed countries, there's a partner for every man
Gotta factor in things like disability, age, single motherhood, female hypergamy, the fact that women congregate in cities etc.

See pic rel, a lot of places in Europe have a worse sex ratio in the 20-34 range than fucking Equatorial Guinea, India, China and fucking Pakistan in the 15-65 range and are around Western Sahara levels with some places nearing fucking Saudi Arabia. If the "just work on yourself bro" schtick wouldn't work in India, China, Pakistan, Saudi or the Sahara then WHY THE FUCK WOULD IT WORK ANYWHERE ELSE WITH THE SAME ISSUE??? You also didn't answer my question btw:

>If your advice wouldn't work in the demographic situation of Qatar one might stop to think why the fuck would it work in Pakistan or the United States?

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>>32562417
>Probably "move out of qatar"? It's clearly a massive outlier.
Glad to see your advice is just "lmao the stats say you can't get pussy? then just fly to somewhere with pussy then!" or "lmao the stats say you can't get pussy? just fly pussy to you!". The average joe isn't rich enough to just pack up his life and set sail abroad in search of fresh pussy, on the contrary he's likely extremely fucking broke and getting financially raped by his landlord. See pic rel, there being more men than women isn't a massive outlier, the proportion may be extreme however the underlying problem is not.

>Ideally you should be assuming something like a 5% swing in either direction is essentially meaningless
It's not a "swing", it's a evolutionary trend which made sense in a previously undeveloped and semi-developed world however with modern society all these men aren't dying off in huge demographic swings brought about by disease, famine, war etc. so we've just got all these excess males about, concentrating women in cities and we're adding more foreign males on top of all that.

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>>32562417
>but looking at births
Pic rel. This isn't going away.

>they pretty quickly regress to the mean of 100.
Proof? 105 men to 100 women is the norm from what I understand and makes perfect evolutionary sense.

>>32562417
>Given that you completely ignored the argument that followed which seems to explicitly refute more than half of your listed chart
Basically all of the developed world has this issue to one extent or another, the pic rel was just some of the worst of it in a particular age cohort.
https://statisticstimes.com/demographics/countries-by-sex-ratio.php

>>32562417
>I therefore think most of your argument, with the exceptions of serious outliers like Qatar,
What is your advice for an Indian or Chinese man? The situation in these countries is bad but not as bad as Qatar, what is your solution for them?

>>32562417
>We can bicker about the size of the cohort, but fact of the matter is you already agree with me: we're only haggling on the final percentage of excess men this removes from the dating pool.
If half of men were exclusively gay then there being more men than women would not matter as much, yes. I have never denied this.


However the pool of exclusively gay men is smaller than the sex ratio gap between men and women and since the gay adult population hovers globally at about 3% or so and not all gay adults are male (lesbians) it's smaller than 3%, splitting it down the middle (obviously the actual percentage will vary by country) we get 1.5% gay men which is still smaller than the 5% of excess males born in comparison to females.

Again, what exactly is your advice other than go to where pussy is or bring pussy to where you are (such mind blowing revelations)?

>anon not believing that there are countries that have villages that have more men than women
My friends hometown has 1300 men for 1000 women. What now?

>>32562637
>"lmao the stats say you can't get pussy? then just fly to somewhere with pussy then!" or "lmao the stats say you can't get pussy? just fly pussy to you!"

>>32562434
>>32562384
>>32562328
>>32562224
>>32562182
>>32562169
>>32562113
I utterly btfo'd everybody in this thread and they're ashamed to come out because they know I'm right.

>>32562169
The reason some countries with insane ratios like this exist is because most of the men are imported labor, meaning they were brought in go work on shit and stay in their hostel.
They also have to renew their contracts or find another somehow to stay in the country.
They're not there to date or hook up with women so they're not even competition really

>>32544215

Blackpillers don't talk about being very social. You need to be a normal level of social, with a normal level of social skills. So the answer to your question is both.

Autists do not count in this advice however. No normie wants an autist. Their only chance is to find other genetic dead ends, like fellow autists and downys.

As usual, incels showing once again they all have low IQ without exception. You keep mentioning Qatar without understanding a very simple fact that anyone with two IQ points would realize. You cannot look at gender ratios in Qatar for the simple reason that the vast majority of the population is imported pajeet workers who are nearly all male. They far outnumber the natives. In the native population the ratio is close to equal.

>>32544215
Consider the source.

Blackpillers are never ever right about anything

>>32544215
No, girls will chase you if you go to south east asia. Take the seamaxxing pill

>>32564448
slovenia, iceland, south korea, sweden, usa, czechia, luxembourg, norway, finland, cyprus, germany, bulgaria and japan are in the list...

>>32564823
qatar is a fucking litmus test you monkey, if drinking whisky instead of water wouldn't cure one person's thirst it stands to reason it wouldn't cure 100 people's either and so likewise, if your advice wouldn't work in qatar why the fuck would it work in china, pakistan, south korea or the united states?

>>32544215
Well, you obviously haven't even tried, and I don't read hypotheticals.

>>32565531
Way to miss the point. Qatar's gender ratio is completely artificial and would never happen in any western country. Once again proving with every single post that all incels have very low intelligence.

>>32566268
>if your advice wouldn't work in qatar why the fuck would it work in china, pakistan, south korea or the united states?
answer the question, the gender ratio's cause is entire irrelevant to the fact that it exists as a reality in these countries and the advice should be reflective of that. What even is your advice?

>>32564492
>No normie wants an autist. Their only chance is to find other genetic dead ends, like fellow autists and downys.

normies have no problem adopting autists but their fucking problem is autists turn everything into a pissing match and they have no self awareness, it took for me to meet a fellow autist to realize how much more insufferable we can be

>>32544215
i'm pretty autistic, somewhat fucked in the head and depressed from broken family shit. was a fat slob for most of my life. am a fat slob now. had a 15-yo. gf when i was 18 in the time of my life where i was most schizo and fucked in the head but was relatively fit and goodlooking back then. she was (probably still is) also somewhat fucked in the head, but had the goodest ass in the world, and could have orgasm after orgasm. we fucked like rabbits all day. the way we got together was completely autistic. she wrote me an e-mail which contained the word "hello" about a 1000 times. relationship ended due to psychotic break on my part.
later in life, mostly only fat ugly women were interested in me. and few non-fat-ugly women who might have had some slight interest but probably not really and not too obvious and on-the-nose like my 15-yo. schizo girlfriend from back then. so of course it was impossible to verify.
one good-looking sex-crazed spanish schizo girl signaled very much obvious interest in me while studying abroad in finland for a year through erasmus (euro student programme for studying abroad for one or two semesters somewhere in the eu). but i didn't let it happen, because she was too schizo. was constantly after me coming up with all kinds of bs reasons to spend time with me, always hinting at how horny she was. coming late at night pretending she had lost her key and asked to sleep at my place. i told her she can sleep on the kitchen floor. never been as horny as that again in my life. that was another period in my life where i wasn't a fat fuck.
so my current working theory is that not being a fat fuck is enough to score a good-looking nympho schizo girl. for better girls you probably need to be better.

>>32545553
>Learned Helplessness, that is all. Nothing more, nothing less. Learned helplessness is basically, the silly bastard blackpiller made it a mental tradition to think to himself: ”I’m a loser. I probably won’t/will never (x y or z)”

Here is the thing with people like you: you just assume it's purely some deep rooted, Sigmund Freudian ego bullshit that can be super easily solved the moment you realize your faults. You blame everything on the person and refuse to believe that a single normal fag doesn't have complete control over their life like some sort of god playing The Sims. You think there are no such thing as lies. If ANY of that shit was fucking real or easy do you think people would be black pilled? Do you think a person who spent their entire life from birth to adulthood is just going to suddenly realize it was a ruse and just become a hero? If anything they aren't really black pilled if they are still asking what the point of life is when nothing has ever gone right for them. Trying to convince someone who lost his legs that is going to walk again is probably even more evil than just telling him no.

>>32548514
You don't become black pilled by fighting and winning, you become black pilled by fighting and losing and then watching people who don't fight win big.

>>32548612
>Think about it like getting a job. If you don't apply, don't cry when you don't get the job.
And what about when you do apply and you don't get it while everyone else turns in barely legible applications and get invited in with open arms?

>>32559943
The real issue is most of us here did have gf and they left. Now they have great lives while they are sitting there alone with no golden answer as to where it all went wrong while watching men factually worse than them get love and affection for girls way out of their leagues, while complete garbage dumps of woman won't even bat an eye at them.

>>32566268
>>32567085
You won't answer because you have no advice, you're just a fucking bot programmed to spew out meaningless platitudes.

>>32544771
its not just "be sociable" though, its "ruthlessly optimize your socialization to the point of exhaustion to get a crumb of pussy every once in a while" to an average guy.

the attractive people i know literally do just meet people at random without trying whatsoever. complete introverts getting into relationships because the first girl who somehow interacts with time beyond the surface level will instantly fall for them. they're why the "it'll happen when you least expect it, dont worry about relationships" shit is a thing. because it does just happen for attractive people.

>>32559943
>Social media has destroyed all relationships for the current generation. When a woman who is not even that attractive can post a selfie online and have 1000 men start hitting her up immediately, why in the world would she settle for anything less than a Chad?
This argument is always hilarious to me. Because spoiler alert: it's not 'Chad" who is liking and commenting on every thirst-trap post these women make, or trying to slide into her DMs. It's always a bunch of simps, thirsty ass losers and literal pajeets.
Internet might give women exposure to interaction with a lot of men, but trust me they want nothing to do with the vast majority of them.

The truth is there is nowhere to meet people in the current year. There are very few single women walking on the streets anymore, they all drive but the main problem is most women are in relationships already starting with high school and college. They will tell you to go to bars and pubs but it doesn't seem to work anymore, in the past sure maybe but not anymore.

Then they tell you hobbies, to get hobbies and sign up for shit, but most women don't have hobbies (their hobby is socializing over the internet and in real life) not to mention the countless other guys that get into hobbies to meet women.
If you don't meet a girl in high school or college it's over in 2024, there is nowhere to meet women anymore, unless you cold approach in places where young women hang out. And let me tell you alone as a 30/40+ year old male, it's not going to go well. You would at least need a wingman but even then the odds are stacked against you not just because of the age difference.

>>32572013
>"ruthlessly optimize your socialization to the point of exhaustion to get a crumb of pussy every once in a while" to an average guy.
No, because the average guy really does not have to try that hard.
You are speaking of clearly well below average guys and trying to present that as normal. One of the favorite sleight-of-hand tricks used by incels to try and save face while also complaining about how hopeless everything is.

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>>32551897
you're just very attractive, that it. obviously the blackpill doesn't apply to you because being attractive means you can literally do absolutely nothing and the first woman that sees you will make the first move on you.

>>32572068
>streamer complaining about someone not doing a real job
you posted this ironically, right?

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>>32572062
>No, because the average guy really does not have to try that hard.
My guy, in Canada alone there's now nearly a quarter of a million more 20-29 year old excess men as of 2023, a 9% imbalance that's widened significantly since 2010. What the fuck is the point of trying there's literally no fucking women to try with? Your advice is predicated on there being women in the first place, what if that isn't the case? Then what? What advice do you have for the quickly rising amount of excess men in Canada or excess men anywhere else for that matter?

>>32572132
>>32572068
>>32572062
>>32572052
Actually address the shit I'm saying. All your mockery and "advice" is predicated on personal choice, that a person can *choose* to do a particular thing or set of things instead of something else. I fail to see how excess men are to blame for there being no women in the first place, the idea of "just improve yourself" is entirely predicated on there being women to fall for the improved guy but statistically that's just not likely to be the fucking case for many people. Refusing to acknowledge the systemic issues and putting all the blame on the individual serves to absolve society of blame, alienates men, hinders the possibility of a solution and simply serves as cause to mock them for just having been born in a shitty situation.

This is essentially just seems a shitty imitation of India's caste system for western normies: "well maybe if men were better to women in the past you wouldn't be born to die alone! Do better!"

>>32562183
>self reported women's happiness

>>32572180
At least with India's caste system there's the theological justification of reincarnation so that if you do good in this life you get a reward, with this shit you're just expected to be born, work hard, be alone, be told you're not owed intimacy of any kind and any such expectation is sexist/entitled, shut up and die with no possibility of reward or any kind of compensation at all.

>>32572146
How many of those excess men are jeets I'm wondering? They don't count and I don't care what happens to them.

>>32572180
>a person can *choose* to do a particular thing or set of things instead of something else
Well...yeah. Are you really trying to argue this is not the case?

>>32572210
>Well...yeah. Are you really trying to argue this is not the case?
Yes, it's not the case for many men and we've been saying this for fucking years at this point only to be met with dismissive attitudes along the lines of "idc what the statistics say people aren't numbers, if you work hard enough and pull yourself up by your bootstraps you'll get a partner". Now the situation is becoming even more obvious and extreme.

Telling an incel in China, India or Qatar to "just work on themselves" in the hopes of scoring some crumbs of pussy is a sick joke and people would be more likely to readily acknowledge it as such but for some reason when the situation is in a western country the magic soil just repels demographic reality or some shit. This "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" rhetoric doesn't work with jobs, wages or anything else humans engage in but for some reason when it's sex suddenly macro-trends and numbers just fall out of existence to be replaced with the thickest of bootstraps and the heaviest of shoes with no societal accountability or influence *at all* in the minds of normies.

>>32572204
>How many of those excess men are jeets I'm wondering?
Probably a lot.

>They don't count and I don't care what happens to them.
Acknowledged however you realize that if you're competing against 10 guys vs 10 guys plus 500 jeets for the affections of a random woman the latter is worse for you, right? Like even if many women don't date them the fact that these jeets exist and imbalance the sexual marketplace so heavily in favor of women has knock on effects that affect everyone. For example a homeless white girl who's mid and working at a gas station suddenly is hit on at every shift by jeets, her profiles are all blowing up with jeet simps offering money for feet pics and literally every jeet wants her hand in marriage because she's white and so with all of that going for her right off the bat her standards (which already would've been high due to western sex dynamics etc.) are now just through the stratosphere.

>>32572312
Again, this all goes back to your (inaccurate) assumption that the gas station girl is actually flattered about all these thirsty pajeets DMing her asking for bobs and vagene. Trust me...she is NOT flattered by this nor will it make her expectations and standards go up. If anything, it would make her male equivalent, some boring ho-hum incel-adjacent white guy working at the other gas station across the street, look that much better in comparison as long as he's not a complete sperg.
Which, if this board is anything to go by, he probably is.

>>32544215
If you want to meet people who you like and who like you back, naturally the best way to do that is to meet lots of people. I wouldn't say that's blackpilled any more than saying you have to drink water to avoid dying of thirst. It's just the easiest way to achieve what you want, and you aren't even doing anything bad.

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>>32572312
>Acknowledged however you realize that if you're competing against 10 guys vs 10 guys plus 500 jeets
And these jeets are not "competition" by any stretch of the imagination, they are just white noise in the background at best to her. She doesn't even acknowledge them.
Basically if these guys are competition for you, you actually deserve to lose.

>>32572333
if i was a girl i'd just use these jeets as much as humanly possible, open an onlyfans, fansly, feet pics, going on dates just for the food etc.

>>32572340
>>32572333
the coping is unreal, no advice is given and no solutions offered

With social media and the LGBT there’s a new class of socially inept men. It’s crabs I’m a bucket to the extreme. They will literally princess any attractive woman only to see her with a complete deadbeat.

Any man not up to their socially inept standard gets completely torn down. It’s a new level of loser that you’ve never seen before. These attractive women are now even more lonely than they’ve ever been unless they join the LGBT.


I could go even further. It’s just so sad, so pathetic that men have stopped going out and looking for dates. Imagine beating someone at every single thing possible and they gang up and try to bottom you. How much would you seethe in anti-lgbt hate.

>>32572353
How am I "coping"?

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>>32563798
>implying a BTFO
It's just a lot of bullshit to content with. Ultimately your entire model rests on the difference between people breeding being 5ish% up in either direction matters, and it's wrong two ways

>your model demands you believe in forms of sexual arbitrage I doubt you buy
Your theory starts by assuming the difference between 90-110% matters a great deal: this implies there exists sexual arbitrage you should be advocating for, but seemingly aren't.

Pic related, as a sexual-age man from China or India in your model, your rejected men should be applying for work visas from Guadelope, Martinique, and Tonga to exploit a 20% ratio improvement, or perhaps nearby Russia or Bangladesh for a 92-93% opportunity. There are dozens of countries like this. If they can't, you should be advocating they build capital or work qualifications to do so. Assuming they did, these un-partnered women surely are desperate to pair up with them, right? There are clearly not enough men to satisfy their demand, so surely they'll be snatched up, right???

No, that's obviously retarded, because these percentages don't actually matter. The cutoff of "you're too marginal of a man, women aren't interested in you" happens WAY before ~5%, such that there is ~no sexual arbitrage. Additionally,

>it's wrong in form
Because you assume people assort 1:1 ladder style permanently - both are false. Link related bottom: about 50% of the female population under 50 has fucked 5-15+ partners:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n-keystat.htm
Your fair sexual ladder world where "if there's any overage on either sex's side, people are getting bumped out of the pool!" is retarded, and pretty much the only way to "salvage it" is
>actually, there's a cutoff below which people don't wanna fuck across
at which point you need to draw a line where you think this cutoff is happening, because if it's before ~95%, then ~none of your differences matter, as those men were already rejected.

>>32572411
>this implies there exists sexual arbitrage you should be advocating for, but seemingly aren't.
>Pic related, as a sexual-age man from China or India in your model, your rejected men should be applying for work visas from Guadelope, Martinique, and Tonga to exploit a 20% ratio improvement, or perhaps nearby Russia or Bangladesh for a 92-93% opportunity. There are dozens of countries like this. If they can't, you should be advocating they build capital or work qualifications to do so.
Passport bros are a thing and it works because of this, literally if the sexual marketplace has locked you out or set the bar too high then leaving and going to somewhere where the odds are swung massively in your favor is the superior option if the goal is pussy.

Admitting this for normies however is fucking unpalatable, hence all the shitting on passport bros. If all men who weren't in the top 10-15% left the west tomorrow women's sexual power would just fucking collapse so it's in women's interests to keep these men in the marketplace in order to essentially serve as a reserve army of (sexual) labor since the more men leaving the sexual marketplace they inhabit means less power for them and thus they jealously guard it by browbeating men who, not being contented with being in the reserve army of (sexual) labor, just leave and go somewhere where the power imbalance is swung towards them instead of against them.

>>32572465
Passport bros are not arbitraging men-women ratio, they're arbitraging American citizenship, being white, and the US dollar for sexual market value. There's a reason as Americans (104.841) they advocate for south-east asian countries like Japan (102.9), South Korea (105.696), and the Phillipines (100.288), when they could be moving to Guadelope, Martinique, and Tonga.

>>32572411
The advice of "just leave and go somewhere where the odds are super slanted in your favor" is solid advice, universally applicable to all these demographic situations however it, on some level, fundamentally acknowledges the systemic issue present which is one reason among many why it will very rarely be voiced as a solution or if so as part of some snarky retort ala "Probably "move out of qatar"? It's clearly a massive outlier".


Yes, if the game is rigged against you in one casino then go to the casino across the street with broken machines and a dealer with cataracts. Pursuing solutions entirely based on the individual without any concern for the society in which he lives is akin to rumbling around in the dark.

>>32572486
>Passport bros are not arbitraging men-women ratio, they're arbitraging American citizenship, being white, and the US dollar for sexual market value.
They might not be consciously doing it however the average Joe going to countries where the ratio likely isn't as fucked as in the west which, given migration patterns, evolutionary birth phenomena etc. are only going to get worse. I agree they could minmaxx this if they thought consciously about it and there's probably some who are, although i'm not sure if they constitute a large amount or not because i'm not involved in any passport bro communities.

>There's a reason as Americans (104.841) they advocate for south-east asian countries like Japan (102.9),
Nobody is doing that unless they're weebs and retarded.

>South Korea (105.696),
Nobody is doing this unless they're retarded.

>and the Phillipines (100.288)
People are recommending this and it makes sense given that country's close relations with the US, history of an expat American community there etc.

If you wanted to really minmaxx everything you'd use meta studies of surveys of US popularity and race preference statistics alongside the purchasing power of the dollar in various countries, male-female ratio and presumably other shit to create a score which could then be used to gauge which countries and cities/places in those countries would be the best to be as a passport bro.

Love is nothing but luck. There is no real rhyme or reason to why people don't find you attractive on any aspect. Your choices are accept you will be alone forever or accept that the only person willing to put up with you is going to be horrid. If you get lucky you may find someone who does love you but more than likely you won't. Nothing you can do will matter. I've seen girls who are so god damn beautiful and smart throw everything away for literal trailer trash. I've seen insane women change heart in an instant and become loyal trad wives. There isn't much point thinking about it. Accept that fate or god doesn't like you.

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>>32572583
>no more 2018 stats
finally

>>32544215
I think a lot of people need to realise that their standards are fucked if they are not getting any.
If you wouldn't date non-whites you are being too picky. If you won't date an obese girl you are being too picky.
Those are the 1s - 4s. Aim for your looks match.

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>>32572547
>Nobody is doing Japan unless they're weebs and retarded.
>Nobody is doing Korea they're retarded.
I'mma keep it a buck fifty chief, the anime weeb, koreaboo, and passport bro venn diagram looks like pic rel.

>If you wanted to really minmaxx everything you'd use meta studies of surveys of US popularity and race preference statistics alongside the purchasing power of the dollar in various countries, male-female ratio and presumably other shit to create a score which could then be used to gauge which countries and cities/places in those countries would be the best to be as a passport bro.
Most of the spectrum for actual passport bro-ing appears to my eyes to be dictated by cost and availability, based on
>where's the nicest place I can get to that would be the least work to move?
And they end up in countries that have a digital nomad visa, mostly in southeast asia and a few of the nicer latin American countries. That most of these nations also happen to like white boys with top tier citizenships and have (at least locally) very deep pocketbooks, is one of the universe's happy coincidences.

>>32572501
>The advice of "just leave and go somewhere where the odds are super slanted in your favor" is solid advice
It works and isn't a terrible move if nothing's working locally, it's just unrelated to gender ratios. The example I used cuts past passport bro bullshit because we're actually not talking about passport bros in OP's world. Passport bros make it work because of assumed wealth, good citizenships, and race preferences.

Take all that shit away, and select for "a man not able to get laid in China or India". In a world where gender ratios matter, we still expect the women to be desperate for these men, because percentage-wise, their demand is not being met. I'd happily bet against that desperation though, and it seems pretty obvious to me
>if you can't fuck in China or India, you're not gonna be fucking more in Guadelope, Martinique, and Tonga, either.

>>32544215
A lot of it stems from guys not going outside enough. I don't mean this in a cold approach manner, but hang out with your friends more often. Women will see you as a fun person to be around and will do things to make themselves approachable for you. Blackpillers are partially right though, women do pre-select and if you are sub-5 you're basically playing on extreme difficulty. If you are an average looking guy you only need 2-3 good personality traits, assuming you have a social life. Getting a social life and being part of "society" is step 1, the problem is that basically means forgetting everything you learned here and become a consumer.

Getting women is harder than bluepillers make it seem, and easier than blackpillers make it seem. Redpillers understand the difficulty but play the game in a weird way that doesn't usually end in marriage.

Trying to date in the US without already knowing the girl in person is a fit of frustration. Not worth the effort except being horny you often times feel COMPELLED to try anyways. Most people assume women are not very approachable which is mostly true. Women are like deer who constantly fear the wolf. They look at men they dont kinow like they're going to get raped in public. You must meet them in the right social area and then you must assert dominance over her beta orbiter friends she showed up who are trying to "mateguard" a women they aren't even fucking. Had some goofy xxtenacion looking dude ten years my younger try and confront me at a concert because I leaned in to speak to a girl cupping her ear so she could understand me over the music after yelling and failing when the music picked up.

>>32544215
What kind of women, anon? Loose women are easy to come by in metropolitan areas. Just be polite and not autistic. Act like their friend.

If you want le based trad virgin chungus then it's gonna be hard, plain and simple.

>>32544215
I don't know man, women avoid me.