>I have these problems>no you don't. have you thought about how great everything is?>you know that thing you mentioned, it's a sign how your situation isn't as hopeless and how positive it isWhat in the utter hell is the point of therapists? Every single one of them have given me this song and dance about positive thinking. It was only later that I found out that they're hopelessly ignorant, poorly trained, and have zero medical knowledge or training. What is the point of these people? They seem specifically designed to waste your time. I only started making improvements when I did my own research upon realizing therapists were hopelessly clueless. Like completely ignorant of every single mental disorder out there. Despite having a masters they know as much about disorders as people off the street so why bother with all that education if it's useless?I feel like I've found some kind of conspiracy out there that no one seems to talk about: therapists are clueless by design. Psychologists and Psychiatrists seem to know what they're talking about.
>>32551950Most people don't need a therapist, but just someone who is really good at (active) listening to what this person has to say.Have you tried talking to a bartender in an empty bar late at night, OP? Those guys are pretty good at it.
>>32551950Continued:Best I can tell, they are designed for someone psychologically normal who is going through a depressive period, where they are to talk them through that through positive reinforcement. First, they NEVER explain this, since this means they're extremely limited, and second, it means they just deny that you have problems when I clearly do. The first step is to acknowledge my very real problems, THEN find solutions for them. Therapists>I have anxiety>no you don't. You dont' have anxiety now and your situation is super positiveI've had that conversation like 10 times and it just baffles and confuses me. Nothing about skills, nothing about how to tackle situations, nothing. Just positive talk and denial of problems. I've given the same symptoms: mostly emotional dysregulation and anxiety, and all I got was positive talk. Worse, they're all CPD trained (they never explain this), and CPD is bad for emotional dysregulation, and instead So again UTTERLY BAFFLED why therapists:1. Don't explain what they are and what they do. 2. Don't try to refer you to someone who is an expert rather than give you positive talk. Like 70% of the people you're gonna talk to are councellors and therapists, but it seems they're extemely limited and basically know fuck all and will just waste your time if you do not have simple negative thinking.
>>32551995>Most people don't need a therapist, but just someone who is really good at (active) listening to what this person has to say.>Have you tried talking to a bartender in an empty bar late at night, OP? Those guys are pretty good at it.The main point I'm making is:1. Therapists are extremely ill-equipped to tackle the people and the problems they're going to face. 2. They only seem to be able to handle short term depression.3. This makes zero sense given how widespread they are, and how they are seemingly.4. It's a total waste to make them get a Masters in something that will have zero assistance in their actual job.5. Psychologists are more needed than therapists. I have told things to therapists that have left them stammering and confused. 2 minutes of research gave me a name and treatment options. So why do these people exist?
they're idiot time wasters.
>>32551950>therapists are clueless by design. Psychologists and Psychiatrists seem to know what they're talking about.You’re damn right. But also keep in mind, you have therapists out there who hold no doctorate of psychology, but will still refer to themselves as psychologist depending on where you live. Some countries, like UK, Austria, Portugal. That means anyone, absolutely anyone can refer to themselves as a ‘Psychologist’. Even a random guy off a street. In America and Canada it’s a protected title, but even so, therapists do not have to hold a PhD in psychology, just a master’s degree in any field related to psychotherapy. So essentially, if you go to a therapist, they’re just reading back to you the psychological models and practices the same way as a customer service rep reads back to you instructions for a product. The customer service only vaguely understands the product, but that’s all. Same for therapists without psychology degrees. They’ll blindly trust the practices are gonna work, and if they don’t, they get stumped. That’s why you should always choose a therapist with a doctorate.
>>32551950they're there to replace what good frens and love used to give you for free for $200/hr, report any outsiders of the hive to the government for jailing/building a personal file, and turn you into a troontoon or get you addicted to brainrot drugs. and the saddest part is its working. which in turn, puts me in a world that makes me want it even though i know its useless at best, harmful at worst to me
>>32555614>Same for therapists without psychology degrees. They’ll blindly trust the practices are gonna work, and if they don’t, they get stumped.That's my experience. None of it is working because they're just giving me positive talk that just denies that I have problems rather than giving me solutions or working through my problems. I tell them things and they respond with confusion, blank stares, deer in headlights. My last mental health councilor (MA + RP) just told me to stop coming since I was wasting her time. That was last year and everything clicked: Therapists and counselors know literally nothing and are horrifically trained and my problems was that I was putting too much faith in them and the system that put them in place. But why bother having them go through undergrad, masters program, then therapist training, when the result is someone who knows jack shit? it seems like a massive design flaw. And this "CBT solves everything" approach is directly drawn from their limited training (that somehow took almost a decade of their lives). Zero therapists were able to identify emotional dysregulation and hyper-arrousal and maladaptive practices even though these are well understood psycholgoical concepts. They were just whinging it or looking at me blankly. So why do psycholgoists bother doing research and making models when seemingly no one actually puts that into practice?
Bro a random person isn't going to somehow know you better than yourself and have a magical solution to problems that you just brought up but have been dealing with for your whole life.
>>32555778I have been talking to therapists and counselors since I was 6 and none of it ever went anywhere. After my last failed attempt after giving up for a decade:1. I am the most unique human being in the world. This can't be true, i'm rather boring. 2. Therapists and Councillors are utterly clueless nitwits. Working on theory 2 I went in more on my own research, and bam, it was correct. They don't even do CBT well at all, as they only have a very watered down version that just amounts to positive reinforcement. Anything that strays outside of this they are like lost children with no idea what to do next. They can't diagnose anything, they can't give advice, they know nothing. What is the point of these people?I read medical pages and watch psychologists on youtube and it clicks: they know what they're talking about and describe my situation well AND give pro-active advice and steps to deal with it. If I had seen a child psycholgoist my life might have looked differently.
>>32555750see your problem is you still think its a flaw. you think its a flaw that they stopped grading students and just let anyone through even though they cant even spell, let alone guide the future youth. every single one of them has a mental illness themselves. it was a feature. read the anticommunist manifesto, all the answers about 'what went wrong' are collected in there by the wise jesse kelly
>>32555869The thing is that psychologists DO know what they're talking about and are actual mental health experts. Therapists and counselors are not, yet they're the most likely to see people. Psychologists spend ages doing research and debating and writing papers, but they might as well just throw their finding in the trash since it never makes it down to the actual people having 1 on 1 encounters with people with problems. As I perceive it, this works really well on anxious women, so they falsely presume this will work on everyone. They shifted training to a CBT model that is mostly designed for anxious women since it's built around positive reinforcement. Then they try that at me and it just leaves me puzzled.
>>32555938>research and write long papers backed by mturk surveys so its trueyeah, so do redditors. everyone has ADHD and is autistic now, because psychologists said so.look out, I'm one of the high ranking dark heyokas of the dark triad clan and im gonna use love bomb and gaslight shield to increase your narcissism, anxiety and drop your EQ.Fuck, I need to recharge by reading psypost, the trusted source written by 3 freelance writers one of whom has a profile pic of goku and the other specializes in news and AI bots on the side. You haven't heard the last of me!
>>32556098>I’m one of the high ranking dark heyokas of the dark triad clanHeh… pathetic… I am one of the rare dark empaths, friend. I am what happens when an ASPD antisocial rebels against the dark… to serve the light… my psychic katana will cut you down, you Narcissist NPDemon. Have at you.
>>32556098>>32556117Joking aside, for example there's NOTHING for nerd boys, socially isolated males, and autismo boys. Nothing. Everyone is shunted to the exact same CBT-lite approach of positive talk, which pre-supposes you are a well rounded psychologically normal person to begin with who is merely going through a downspell.What if you have something more serious and you are not choosing to be negative? DBT is designed to handle this, but almost no one other than some niche specialists are taught DBT. Right now in USA there's probably 1000 women with BPD talking to a nitwit therapist and going nowhere which is just wasting both their time. And as I said, they even SUCK at teaching CBT, as they follow a watered down bastardized version of it. Again, as I said, this is almost designed to be inefficient, wasteful, and not work.
Therapy isn't necessary to improve your mental being. If anything most advocates of Therapy are mentally fucked anyways and will always keep going. I was able to stop my suicidal thoughts on my own, even though every therapist I went to had done jack shit.
>>32556544>acceptancei dont want to accept what i know is wrong though. would you tell jack to just accept aku's evil future? tell simon hey its ok the antispiral said theres nothing we can do and they're people too its really better this way, ackshully.there is good and there is evil. there are standards and they're being corrupted until everything is a blob of nothing. resist! get mad! fight! or die. to love, you must hate what threatens it.
>>32556544>Joking aside, for example there's NOTHING for nerd boys, socially isolated males, and autismo boys. Nothing.There is, but it requires being selective and find a therapist who is actually a doctorate in psychology and has a focus in autism. Ideally if the therapist himself has autism too. Then the positive talk and CBT actually means something, because it will speak to their experiences and not be filled with empty platitudes.I do agree therapy has too much positive talk. You can thank the feminisation of mental health for that. Being real, blunt, harsh, confrontational and raw is too aggressive and therefore too masculine. So that means males are expected to do mindfulness, meditate, live laugh love and cry into a pillow.
>>32551950>>32555855>What in the utter hell is the point of therapistsPic related, you're buying personal talk time subject to a number of conditions that make that time potentially valuable for people. It's a tool: if you don't need the tool because you have better alternatives, just use those, but a lot of people would benefit from it.>>32555703>>32555392>they're there to replace what good frens and love used to give you for free for $200/hrThis view's common but often wrong. Even historically, most people didn't have a long list of friends who would be willing to take an oath of secrecy on your behalf and wouldn't tell a soul anything they had heard: you were gambling telling anyone anything particularly personal that the whole town wasn't about to learn all about your messy personal life. It's also rare that that even a friend who'd keep your confidence, would also be a good listeners or helper with your problems, would ever want to make themselves available for someone to uni-directionally emotion or trauma-dump for an hour straight for multiple weeks in a row if that's what you needed, and you'd often be getting advice tainted by conflicts of interest: let's say you felt like shit because you lived in a dead-end town with dogshit jobs and it was making you depressed: if the person you're getting advice from is a friend, there's a decent to strong chance they're going to be biased away from giving you advice like "you should probably move" or other advice that would personally inconvenience him, perhaps like "maybe spending all your time smoking weed at that friend's house is holding you back, maybe it's time to find new friends and move on." Some people have friends who genuinely can do all the work a therapist is doing, and they're blessed souls you should cherish - but a lot of people would benefit from just hiring one because the external view is valuable. If the one you've got sucks ass, find a new one.
>>32556880>and find a therapist who is actually a doctorate in psychologyExtremely rare: why not just be a psychologist? > has a focus in autism.Even rarer. So this is akin to asking to find unicorms. There's millions of nerdboys out there, yet a handful of people liek this.It's not magic and it has been studied and researched. Again, why even bother studying and researching autism if there's no one out there actually implimenting these findings in the real world? There is WAY too much of a disconnect between psychologists and on the ground workers. Also, you'd think that if they KNEW they have a client with autism they'd do like, basic research?>I do agree therapy has too much positive talk. You can thank the feminisation of mental health for that. Being real, blunt, harsh, confrontational and raw is too aggressive and therefore too masculine. It's designed for women by women and it just flies over the heads of males. This is another area that therapy just is not designed or suited for males.I legit think this should be a huge scandal and requires reworking how therapy and counseling is approached. Things are making a LOT more sense:1. Why I felt therapists were worthless clueless nitwits. 2. Why people who are messed up go to therapists for years and never get better.
>>32551950>What in the utter hell is the point of therapists?At best, they are an objective ear to list your problems to.
>>32557543>objectivemore like retarded.
>>32557539>Extremely rare: why not just be a psychologist?>Even rarerNot really. You know you can filter your searches on therapy based websites right? You can search by focus, by doctorate, etc. >Also, you'd think that if they KNEW they have a client with autism they'd do like, basic research?Basic research isn’t good enough though. It has to be a heavy focus, the heavier the better. Heaviest would be the therapist has autism, second heaviest would be they have a loved one with autism and grew up around it. I’m not a therapist but I grew up around it and know the disorder like the back of my hand, with exception of knowing what the PoV first hand experience is like. So I know basic research ain’t gonna cut it. All of the ‘tisms are so vast, subtle, nuanced, that the basic DSMV descriptions do not really tell you much about the life of an autist.
>therapist>the rapist
>>32557572>Not really. You know you can filter your searches on therapy based websites right? You can search by focus, by doctorate, etc.I've only ever gone with whoever my GP referred me to, and who was available at the university. I went through this whole out patient program for families as a kid at my local mental health facility too.
>>32560358Oh and I never thought about asking what their credentials are once because I naively thought that therapists knew what they were talking about.
They are useless and patronizing.
>>32551950>What is the point of these people?A priestly class for atheists.
>>32556880>feminisation of mental healthYou can't ffeminise what was and is already feminine to begin with.
>>32565429Yeah you can. Psychology started as the study of the soul, that’s what the Greek meaning of the word translates to. It stems from as far back as Plato, Socrates etc. But came into its own with people like Wilhem Wundt, William James, Ivan Pavlov, Edward Thorndike and ofc Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud etc. Basically, it was always predominantly male.
I get a lot out of talking to my therapist mostly when I close my eyes and steamroll the entire session with word-vomit but sometimes he chimes in with helpful shit like "why would you be responsible or guilty for X?"fucking hate the positive reinforcement tho
>>32565881>fucking hate the positive reinforcement thoSame. I hate it because then I have to pretend to be receptive of it and the therapist gets all awkward if I straight up tell them it’s not helping. So I just nod and pretend the positive feel-good shit is helping just so they can get to the point. And I get it, pretending to be receptive is not genuine and shit but we all know the therapist aint allowed to take the opposite approach like being stern, direct, authoritative or angry. That’s what I really want, for the therapist to fucking challenge me and aggressively slap my shit logic down and then boost me up to acknowledge the better logic. But nah we just get stupid ‘homework’ to fill in sheets about ‘im grateful for’ diaries, a fuckin meditation mantra, and other feel good cringe.
>>32565906>>32565881Cbt has devolved into pointless positive talk likely because the customers are women and that is what they want. Cbt is supposed to be rigorous and rather ruthless challenging of bad thought patterns. Cbt therapists don’t even do cht they do a watered down basterized version of it and it does not work on males.
>>32566282it's the feminization of therapy.
>>32551950I have no clue but try a clinical one. that's what a friend of mine recommended to me
>>32568884Those exist?!
>>32551950if you have enough money to afford a therapist then your life is already better than most,you need to stop crying and man up
>>32551950What you need to know is this:>Society will exploit whatever uniqueness it can and work to suppress any it can't. This is not because people are evil, but because society is society.Society functions most EFFICIENTLY when everyone is as similar as possible. But society currently REQUIRES relatively unique individuals to keep it functioning. So you will, at least in a statistical sense, be pushed to the position where you cause the least overall trouble. Not where your abilities are best utilized. Humans are, for the most part, greedy. That means they optimize for the relative short term. If your abilities are best applied halfway across the continent, you'll never get there because those people that would conceivably help you have no motive to pay into someone that may never pay off. Even if, on a macro level, society would be better off, it's easier for individuals to pick people who appear to be "naturally talented": That is, they are initially successful, and as more effort is put in, they show IMMEDIATE signs of growth. It makes sense. Why spend time and effort on something that may never pay off? People who comply get rewards, so they comply better and succeed more.But it causes so many people to lose their opportunities because the more standardized society becomes, the less successful you are if you don't fit whatever mold people want you to fit. If you're not either connected to vast resources OR compliant and competent in whatever you've got a local opportunity for, no one will invest in you. More often than not, you will fail simply because you don't have unlimited resources to fall back on.>>32556544It's an opportunistic approach. Have you ever seen anyone, say, look at a meter or automated response to an incident, then shrug and say>I don't know what's wrong with itbecause the (broken) system doesn't tell them what's wrong with itself, before refusing to investigate? That's how most people live their lives, therapists included.
>>32551950Just another useless profession to give worthless morons an income so they pay taxes and put money back in the system. They don’t create any value whatsoever. I’ve had 3 counsellors and they all did the same thing:>have problem>why?>because blah blah blah>why?>are you retarded? I just told you>how did that make you feel?>shit>why?
>>32570048I can tell they're trying CBT. You basically need to be Socrates to get this to work right. If it's done wrong it's just an idiot woman. The ideal is that it's akin to a philisophical discussion, you're putting forth the rational case for your feelings and analyis, and Socrates is questioning you via the Socratic method, picking apart your case like a lawyer. Women have turned it into positive talk.
>>32570099Idk why it’s the most common type of therapy. That’s just lazy
>>32570140the old style was literally feudian psycho analysis, so shifting to CBT got rid of a lot of the nonsense.CBT is derived from Socrates and Epictetus in a roundabout manner actually but I think the modern form lost the Socratic method that would appeal more to males and autists. Most people most of the time have negative thoughts and emotions that plague their mind that prevent them from moving on or are over reacting to something. CBT helps them through that. The more bastardized version favored now tends to interpret this as giving only positive encouragement rather than ask tough evidence based qeustions or how they know that.
>>32570147That’s an interesting point. What’s the Socratic method like?
>>32551950scam
>>32570159Asking questions rather than making delcaritive statements.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method
Therapists have no training in psychological disorders like autism or trauma, so their methods don't work on them. They're also idiot women so this doesn't bother them or make them think they should reconsider their methods or expand upon them. You're better off asking a person on the street.
Yes, OP, many therapists are undertrained. So do your own research and find somebody accredited and scientifically backed, otherwise you're just pissing in the wind. Is this a vent thread or something?
>>32551950they’re a complete scam. every single one is a hack piece of shit who preys on people suffering
>>32551950Let me guess.You simultaneously refuse to change your emotional state or worldview, but you're gonna keep crying about how bad those things make you feel anyway?If so, yeah therapy can't fix that.
>>32574035>t. confidently ignorant
>>32574090>Yes, OP, many therapists are undertrained.Everyone that I've talked to has a masters degree, so it's not like they've never received training, only that it's generalized and is not designed for various psychological disorders. For some reason, there is no understanding or even acknowledgement, and there's a general attitude among the public and even mental health advocates that "therapy" solves everything. Many autistics will find it frustrating, and it doesn't appeal to how they think or work. Many people with CPTSD won't respond, as their nervous system is permanently fried, and they need a new means of handling this, which is why DBT was created. These are just two examples, thtere are more. Most therapists seem completely ignorant of all this though and will just plug away with their therapy techniques with every single person. This is why I consider them idiots: the lack of curiosity and lack of understanding their limits.
