All my research online and street interviewing people in 5 different states have revealed to me that being a male virgin is a big ICK after 25. It's borderline ICK for like half number of girls over 20. Most girls are likely to forgive their husband if he had a hooker AFTER marriage and they have kids and almost all don't care if he slept with hookers before. Some told me they prefer he "got some practice". I am almost 30 and still a virgin. I can talk to women fine. But it becomes very apparent im a virgin if convo gets longer and I see when they realize it and get the ick. They will even act supportive when they ask "how many relationships you had" and when you say 0 they lie and say thats sweet or ask why. If you lie and say 2-3 they know.
>>32558065If you're Thai, around 11 (for being a hooker, of course).
>>32558065Never, shut the fuck up jew.
>>32558085so i should just be sexless forever? i want to know what the hype is...i would like to one day be in a relationship and its pretty much over unless i hookerpill
>>32558065I don't know. I was thinking 30. I'm not sure it matters too much the exact age, but I think having a deadline is important.
>>32558065Ideally never. Don't open that can of worms, but if you insist then 30 is about right. If you've never gotten any by 30, maybe consider a prostitute or "sex worker". I started seeing prostitutes when I was 18 because I was always a loner and outcast in middle school and high school, didn't have friends or much experience with girls. I had a "gf" in middle school but all we did was kissed, never fucked in middle or high school, had no friends at 18 or women so I chose to start seeing prostitutes
>>32558065this dilemma is only a dilemma in the US, in most of the rest of the world prostitution is legal and most people have a hooker or two, virgin or not, married, with a gf, casual hookups, fwbit's like cooking food at home or going to eat out sometimesyes some people have to always eat out, but most people can have both no problemit's an industry service like that one, just a bit more involved.it has existed for centuries and even jesus befriended them.
>>32558665yeah, 'my uncle took me to a brothel when I turned 18 and I was still a virgin' is a very common story around the worldI probably know less people that have never been with a hooker than the other way around
As someone who took the plunge at like 22 and saw many escorts since then ill say that its less sex thats an ick for women and more your overwhelming and all consuming lack of experience. Saying someone is a virgin is their catch all double speak way of saying someone who doesnt have experience with women. Someone who is socially awkward, not in tune with their masculinity and the woman they are with. It is someone who is closer to a teenager, who most adult women dont want to ever have to deal with again outside of their teen years. I will say being with prostitutes does not help you with women at all, breeds resentment towards women and men alike, and makes all relationships and sex transactional. Even today, at nearly 30, i still dont have a girlfriend and probably never will because i just see all relationships as a money transactional thing and its sad. I wish i saw them as intense and pure as i did before i lost my virginity to an escort and only had experiences with them. Anyone who says otherwise is retarded or just got into this and has no idea what they just started. You are lying if you say you have been with 2-3 women and other women will pick up on that because guys will have a confidence about them, and a behavior that follows if they have that body count. And then you'll have to further lie, was it a hookup? was it a relationship? If it was a relationship where is the pictures of her? Why are you so nervous and experienced going on dates? Why are you so bad at talking to women? Just my advice as someone who technically has a body count of 10 but i count it as 0. Because it doesnt matter. Mentally i might as well still be a virgin.
>>32558881*nervous and inexperiencedI wish 4chan had a edit function
>>32558065Why the fuck are her feet so grotesquely large?
>>32558881yeah I guess if you've only had prostitutes and nothing more it can sour the experience for you but if you alternate it becomes a release and a hobby
>>32558065I took it at 21 and I regret it
>>32558677>>32558657agree if still a virgin at 18 you buy some pussy and get it behind you
>>32558065Why are people Jere so obsessed with hookers? Not being able to get a woman doesnt tmean you need to go pay for sex from some used up prostitute. Its just sex. I dont understand the mindset of people who feel they need sex so bad that they have to go this route.
>>32558116Having sex with a hooker is like thinking what you see in porn happens in real life when people are in a relationship.
>>32559343Nonsense. I was a virgin until 22. Got a blowjob at 19. Through my twenties about ten women, broken up by long relationships. Married at 34, divorced at 48. Swimming in pussy. Just moved my current girlfriend in.Going with whores makes you seem dirty and sad to women and that's it. Don't do it. You can fuck prostitutes every other week for a year and still be awkward and have no game.
>>32559363They think not having sex is the problem, when it's a symptom of their problems.Protip: if someone comes at you with a gap in them, you can never fix them. Tragedies who think having sex will fix their lives are usually terrifying and repulsive to women.
>>32558065>At what age should you take the hooker pill as a man?None, no age. The pill is poison. If you take it, you’ll struggle to pair-bond with women and if your whole goal was to one day be a loving husband and doting father, kiss that dream bye bye.
I did it, twice in one year around mid 20's or just after..it was very underwhelming both times and I could easily forget about it some time in the future. But I do remember feeling some kind of hedonistic catharsis very unlike me. But now I know just how insignificant sex is I can live without it forever pretty much. It's not like I was ever going to "pair bond" with anybody anyway or whatever the fuck that means. This person is being overly dramatic >>32559417I remember more about the time I got a flat tire on the way to work 15 years ago than I do about the 2 times I fucked asian hookers in my own bed. It was a big nothing burger.
>>32559438>It's not like I was ever going to "pair bond" with anybody anyway or whatever the fuck that means.>This person is being overly dramaticYou just confirmed that post though
>>32559444I'm obliged to reply to trips but do understand, I've felt that way since I was 15, hookers changed nothing.
>>32559512I see. I believe you, and perhaps I was being a bit dramatic I admit. I apologise saarrr.What I am trying to say is, if a young man is already struggling to emotionally connect with women already due to social anxiety or maybe even distrust for females due to being abused by women growing up, then he will cement his failure to pair bond and make it even worse or entirely irreparable by fucking a whore. Because sex was the only lifeline left to maybe pursue and climb back into one day feeling safe and loved with a woman. And if he cheapens and numbs that last lifeline, he’s fucked. I understand I may be sounding dramatic again. It’s just how I communicate.
>>32558065If you need to pay for it you're a failure. If you're 30 and haven't had any female interest, you need to give up on sex. Just get castrated.
>>32559520Not him but it isn't dramatic, just that if you were terrible with women going into it, paying for a feigned experience isn't exactly going to help. It isn't the "real" thing, just a mimicry of it.
>>32559393>>32559417>noooo just stay sexless until you dieFuck off boomers
>>32558665>eat outhaha
>>32559417>you’ll struggle to pair-bond with women and if your whole goal was to one day be a loving husband and doting father, kiss that dream bye bye.tbf to do what it takes to be attractive to women will also make you struggle to pair bond
as early as possibleI took the hookerpill waaaay too late in life (31) taking it earlier would have saved me so much bullshit. I put up with a lot of dumb shit in relationships just to get sex. now i see an escort once a month and its great, I don't have to slave away trying to impress women anymore. saves me a lot of time, money and energy
>>32558065Yuck those are some man feet i swear
You should never need to she a pro
>>32558065Like 17
>>32559220Im assuming if you are talking about taking the "prostitute pill" or whatever you cant alternate. That is a luxury meant for high tier normies and chads. Maybe a lucky normie gets it with a girlfriend but once again that is out of reach for people like me and op. I hate hiring escorts, and i hate looking through categories seeing which ones i can afford and what i have to let go of to afford it. I hate the nervousness of going to see them and sometimes having to drive several hours to do so. Its awful. The only real pro to this is that you get to have sex with a variety of women when in an organic non-paid sense you would purely be fucking your hand. Ive had sex with every race of women, ive had sex with pregnant women, ive had sex with 18 year olds all the way up to 50 year olds. Ive had sex with foreign girls and local girls. Ive had both anal and vaginal sex raw. Ive had sex with trans men and women. Ive had threeways and even a four way. If you have the money, your life can be a porno. But if i were to be honest i would trade all of it, literally all of it, to be in a normal relationship young. Sex is great yeah, but love and the intensity of it is something you cant pay for, and something that is unique to the human experience. What i do, or did, makes me closer to an animal than a man. When i spent $500-$700 on some experience or some woman the best way i can explain it is like having three weeks were your loneliness is solved, and you get kinda angry that 1 woman out of 4 billion or whatever there is in the world could fix you this much. How it doesnt solve all your problems just makes it easier to deal with, and work on them. Life is a bitch normally. But life is an ABSOLUTE FUCKING BITCH when depression wrecks your sleep and eating habits for years because youre alone. But then, you realize at the end of the day, you will come home to an empty home. No one to call up, no one to cook for or go on dates with.
just find yourself a girlfriend. Why do y'all insist on being faggots so much. Don't discard the whatever is left of your dignity for buying a woman who is not interested in you as a man
>>32560313i cant imagine a woman actually caring about me, or wanting me for anything other than money in the purest sense. So the idea of mutually having sex with a woman, and shes attracted to you, is so mind blowing to me i cant even imagine it. Like she is doing this, for free? And she is doing it to make me feel good because she loves me? Im not a third wheel or a friend at best? Or a john? Shes fine with just me? and then afterwords we go and do stuff together? Ive never been in that situation in my entire life so even just fantasizing about it is difficult. I would trade all my degenerate behaviors and lifestyles to get to experience that, but we live in a time period where that is the true luxury, and one you're basically fucked to experience unless you get very lucky.
>>32560322most of us cant. When i did it at 22 i searched for a woman since i was 14. I have been rejected my entire life. I would say if you have had even one girl take interest in you, dont do it, but for some women regard them as subhuman.
>>32560339should've become bukowski-pilled, man...
>>32560375>bukowskiAnything you would recommend from him?
>>32560393all his novelsI remember having fine game, had one night stands, suddenly fell in love for the first time, got weak, got dumped, went full bukowski while reading his novels, fucked over 30 women since. this shit works
>>32558065Never. You will never be a complete person if you do.
>>3255806515. The Romans would hire family prostitutes/courtesans to ensure that young men would have a good first experience and mitigate possible trauma. Usually the woman would be around 25-30 and would be a distant family relative. They really had their shit figured out.
>>32559983>tbf to do what it takes to be attractive to women will also make you struggle to pair bondI hear where you’re coming from brother, loud and clear. But respectfully what you said is only true if you’re attracted to skanks. That’s who incels are working hard for, they’re working hard to impress fucking cunts, jezebels, hory whores of babylon. Skanks, sluts, bitches, slags, and once again – Cunts with a capital C. Semen demons, mattress empresses, testicular temptresses, daughters of Lilith, ladies of the night, harpies, succubi. Literal cunts, man. Of course that shit drains you, of course that shit makes you wanna hang it up and quit and pay for premium whores. Actual high value women who have virtue won’t demand you to be 6 foot, 6 figures, 6 inches. Btw notice that spells out 666. These wenches out themselves all the time. Simply go for the girl you think is ‘boring’. Go for that one. That will be the girl that doesnt show her cleavage, the one who doesnt wear skin tight leggings to show off her cameltoe and asscrack. That’s the woman who gives peace, bro. Try it out next time.
>>32560575true, have fun with slutty women, take seriously only humble ones
>>32560575I see what you're getting at. For some background, I was khv throughout high-school and college. It was really frustrating, I could never get a girl interested in me, even with the type of girl you described in your last paragraph.I stumbled on some of the PUA stuff, and implemented those techniques, and did get laid a decent amount starting at 24. I had a relationship, but that was a miserable one, it really didn't work out, and I'm sure she was BPD. There are no real instructions or anything on how to "get" the "boring" girl, and it's either be an unappealing eunuch or appeal to girls who are not like her.
>>32560575>Simply go for the girl you think is ‘boring’. Go for that one.lmao that's just the guy version of women going for that drab 35-year old guy that will simp for themIronically, you're just as shitty as the whores who hunt for beta-bux after they hit the wallkys
>>3255806530 is a good age to take the hooker pill, at that point in your life getting into a first time relationship is a lot harder as women are either busted up from too many dicks or just don't have an interest in socially awkward virgin 30 year old geeksJust use hookers until they invent android gfs
>>32559366nta but if I'm never going to be in a relationship (which based on my track record of 0 relationships in nearly 30 years, is the case), why should I voluntarily stay sexless for the rest of my life when I could hire an escort?
>>32561113because ever having used a whore is more disqualifying than being an older virgin? duh
>>32561350I'm already sexless and never going to be in a relationship thoughhiring an escort vs "waiting" (in quotations because it most likely won't happen) is guaranteed sex vs possibly (very little possibility) being in a relationship and sex
>>32560432I don't get the point of having sex with a bunch of random women. Even though I'm ten down with escorts it's all just feels like waste. Nothing built. Nothing progressed. No growth or anything. It's a very 15 year old mindset of what's cool or healthy. I also think dudes like this just have bad relationships with their dads. Never got taught discipline and feel like they need to "out do" him by sleeping around. Trying to convince themselves they are better lol. I don't want to sleep with a random woman who just disappears ever again
>>32560575The girl who is boring is married by 21. And won't date large age gaps either so I guess find someone before that age and if you are older than like 25 you're fucked
>>32561592Sex is the symptom, not the root cause
These days? 18. Nah I'd have been passed off at my classmates putting out at 15/16 I'd have bought a hooker at 16 maybe 12 maybe before my dang balls dropped idk man fuck first you win everything dont have sex die that's the Earth
>>32561592it's a hobby you moronsame as reading books or playing videogames or assembling model planes or going to drink a beer with the guys friday nightspeople here put too much meaning behind it because it's illegal in the US and most posters are american and they of course have to commit to this and cross a mental boundary to do so so they need to justify it somehow but for the rest of us it's just like going to eat some spicy wings a thursday because you wanted some, no deeper meaning behind it, just some money spent in having a good time
>>32558065If you just go and masturbate you will immediately see just how retarded an idea getting a hooker is. Money, std risk, direct risk kf getting robbed and for what? To fuck a woman who wants you to fuck off asap and give money.
>>32562882You keep pushing this coomer ass agenda that prostution is legal everywhere when in reality in most of the world, not just the US its OUTRIGHT illegal and in a lot of other countries sex is illegal to buy but not sell(sounds like male discrimination but thats normal because men arent pussies and still succeed regardless). In only 15 out of 194 countries is prostitution legal. For the rest of the world its a grey area to illegal. Not everywhere is Thailand or Germany. Sure, for some people they are emotionally and spiritually obese enough that its as normal and casual as eating spicy wings, and im sure that works well for them, but for me, and what i was originally talking about, it is not satisfying nor does it make me want to ever do it again because its so unsatisfying. I dont want to hookup with women for free, i dont want to pay women for sex. I dont want temporary women in my life because i have a problem, that problem is loneliness. That problem doesnt get fixed in reality tell a woman is in my life and is loyal to me. Tell then, its going to be a constant problem. I am tired of fucking women ill never see again because its empty. I want to have a family. I want to have a life i feel i absolutely deserve. But all advice seems to just be how to increase your body count which makes it even harder to find a good women if all guys are acting like this. I swear we live in the most temporary nihilistic time period ever.
>>32563156It isn't just men, it isn't like all women are waiting for mr right to be pure and chaste with. Welcome to the new age. Women get around too.
>>32563156>That problem doesnt get fixed in reality tell a woman is in my life and is loyal to me.It's just as lonely. The type of love you get from a dog is far more fulfilling than from a romantic relationship.
>>32563201i hear this a lot yet i meet more suicidal guys with dogs than i meet with good relationships. Weird huh. Almost as if thats something just parroted by mgtow. >>32563197Yeah i know passed a certain age i am just a number. The thing that concerns me isnt the pair bonding theory or anything but the fact that at a certain age, women have gone through a LOT of breakups and a LOT of dudes casually. Am i one she is going to even care about? Or am i just a number now? Am i wanted tell im thrown away and she moves on leaving me to search for a decade again? Should i just not put any effort into any possible relationship because its temporary anyways im just a number who no matter what cant compare to the other guys she was with in the past and gave far more energy to? Its like working a new job, after being burned at dozens of other jobs. When you had your first job you were excited and ready to work and happy to get money, but now, youre burned out, dont want to do anything, and this new boss is having to deal with the problems that were caused by other jobs and side gigs you had. He isnt getting the same results as that first or second boss did. You get what im saying? At this point i am going after spiritual enlightenment while also chasing celibacy because it seems like either that or suicide is my only options. I really dislike seeing hookers and asian massages. Both from a financial standpoint and from a goal standpoint.
>>32563225>i hear this a lot yet i meet more suicidal guys with dogs than i meet with good relationships.Getting into a relationship at all requires that you have your life together, but a dog doesn't.
>>32563231Does it? Or does it just help with it? The amount of dudes i see with no fashion sense, bad jobs, trashed houses, and fucked mental states who still have girlfriends is astounding. I am not even as bad as most of the guys i see. I have a nice place, hobbies, dress well, the only reason why im suicidal is because i go literal years without anything. Covid showed us MOST people get like that when that happens to them. That isnt a mental illness, that is millions of years of evolution telling you you have been outright rejected and your genetics are shit.
>>32563305>The amount of dudes i see with no fashion sense, bad jobs, trashed houses, and fucked mental states who still have girlfriends is astounding.The common factor is that they don't need the girl. The second you need her, she tends to disappear.
>>32563313What a paradox then, they dont need her so they get her because they dont need her but keep her because they dont need to. I think deep down most people need human connection, there is no such thing as a lone wolf in humans. Sure, theres traditions that teach isolation but those are exceptional people and not applicable to the average person. I do agree if you rely on her she will leave, and if all you do is drag her mood down making her an emotional tampon, she will leave, but i have doubts you need to be at your 100% best peak everything just to find a 5/10.
>>32563231Maybe getting your life together helps with being with a woman who is of a different kind, but women will fuck felons, they'll get impregnated by broke bums and gangbangers who will never be anything in life. Because they have game, social skills, and don't lack confidence. Call it the dunning kruger effect, but they aren't paralyzed by indecision and doubt, they make decisions and couldn't give a damn.
>>32558065I was like you, virgin and addicted to porn in my islamic culture country and hates seeing my brothers date women or other men in schools or college, and i was telling myself i will never marriage cuz i don't want to marriage a woman that had relationships before (they are virgin woman) but they do it outside like kissing and hugs or rubbing penis on vagina outside and ass or fuck her ass or doing sex but without opens her vagina, so i told myself i hate all people's, and in my country if they see you didn't marriage, the family will notice that and your friends, and they will tell you that you're becoming old, so i was addicted to video games too and having aggressive heart and racist and hating humans, and i told myself i hope to test sex one time before marriage so i can surrender and marriage if my family notice that i don't have a gf in future and still old so they will suggest me a single woman closer in my age too, and i don't know anything about her if she opened ass or if she was doing blowjobs or etc, and they will be laplapla advices me, so porn made me going crazy having anxiety of marriage and that all women loves big c*ke, that's what was in my mind, so when i finish high school and go to college, i was sad and unhappy when i see women sitting with men in college park and there is group of friends laughing and talking, so all this 4 years in college i was escape waiting inside college between classes, cuz it was 3 or more hours, so i was staying at old cafeteria in front of college that little bit of people's sit on it, and seeing men and women group friends in the street and in front the college and ordering crepe and eating and enjoying their time, and my heart still jealous and telling myself that all this women are cheaters even if she love a guy she can cheat him to enjoy s*x with another man, and i told myself i don't want to get cheated even one time in my life, so i was forcing myself to stay away love, to be continue ....
>>32563156many of the countries in red and orange operate like countres in green and blue tho, they only have the law in case one pimp missbehaves or a serial killer of escorts appeart. traveled around.
>>32563156I see you're mad because you're thinking about prostitution as a replacement for relationships or hookups as a replacement for relationshipsit's the same as a person who eats every day hamburgers will see a huge problem with that kind of foodmost people who goes to prostitutes or has hookups has had a gf in the past, currently has a gf, was/is married, can get loyal companionship no problem, coming back to my initial metaphor, most people eat at home healthy food from time to time, we only go out to eat delicious greasy food from time to timeif your diet is only greasy takeout and people tell you that's a replacement for healthy food then I'd be mad too and I'd also think they want to kill meso there is that, I never implied you can live out of hookers or one night stands alone, a healthy diet includes some hookups, some one night stands, some friends with benefits and some girfriends and from time to time a delicious escort with a body of a sculpture and that you'll never have as a gf and sleep not worrying if someone is trying to steal from you.loneliness can't be cured with hookups or hookers anon, whoever told you that was kinda coping a bitthis is, I'll say it again, a hobby, a distraction nothing of substance, something to feel good for a bit.
>>325635072.So some day while sleeping on bed, i told myself it's hard to get a woman in my parents house and in my country there is prostitutes in streets, but i don't like to put myself and my face in something like that, so i was searching about houses that doing this illegally behing my government, so while searching i find massage picture so i search about massage sex in my (country) and i find first page is escort so i press on that and browse the page, and i surprised about the prices for someone that doesn't working, it was 2000 and 3000 and 1500 and that in dollar is 60$ and 40$ and that's is much for me, but i remember that my father was giving to me 50 everyday, so i told myself the buses everyday is for 10 or 15 so i was saving and father was giving me sometimes 300 per week, so in some day i reach 700 and i found shitty place escort image, and when i text on WhatsApp he was a man having actually ugly fat women when i see their pics, so was telling me the price is 2000 so i told him I'm is a student and i only have 700 and it's my first time can i please test rubbing outside on her v#g#na and kiss her and hug without get inside and she do blowj0b to me, he told me no problem, so he give me the location and i was nervous when she opens the door for me and my heart beats was so high when i smell sexy woman perfume, and when me and her get in the room, she talked with me and she asked me is it really your first time, and i told her yes, so after talking little bit, and after seconds of silence, i told her should we start, she told me ok, I'm not gonna say what i did cuz it's a lot of bad words, but after came on her pvsy, it was like not enough i still needs to get inside and cum too, so it was addictive, and i save again and again, and when i reach 500 i told him can i do and get inside for 500 cuz thats what i have saved, and he accept, so after doing that again and finally gets in, i didn't remember the feelings, to be continue ....
>>32558065Lol no way this is true.I'd rather fuck a virgin than some guy who slept with a bunch of hos
>>32559363Schizos fell for the incel religion and think their soul is polluted if they don't fuck
>>32563585I think applying food to sex is a mistake. In reality it is far more intense and intimate than that. I wouldnt want my girlfriend to go out fucking random guys, but according to you that is a "healthy diet". Something that can result in stds, pregnancy, and also as i put it earlier, spiritual and mental obesity, isnt something that should just be done willy nilly. It dulls your senses to something that could be amazing. I know its done that to mine and made me feel worse over time. I used to hate myself for no reason but now i feel i have a reason because i am a failure and etc etc. >loneliness can't be cured with hookups or hookers anon, whoever told you that was kinda coping a bitAgreed. I was responding to a guy who was trying to push that type of advice to me. I literally dont care about having sex with a bunch of random women, i do care about dying alone at the bottom of the hierarchy.
Imagine being at hookers so fat you look and see food.
>>32563629Im telling you, spiritual and mental obesity. Shits real.
>>32563629kek>>32563620yeah I'm not normal. I can bond with people just ok and I've even cried fucking an ex gf one time, shit was so beautifulbut I can just disconnect all those cables and fuck someone because I find them incredibly attractive and not feel anything about it other than erotic pleasure, I don't mix themLike fapping to german midget porn and later fucking the mother of your kids. IDK what example to give you.It hasn't affected me but given the HUGE ammount of stories of dudes who've fallen in love with escorts in the local monger forum I go to, I guess I'm a rarity instead of the average.
>>325635893.So for third time I'm again saved and did it for 500 and third time was the best time i feeled that hot v#gi#a and my belly was like not nervous anymore like getting in and letting her close her legs around me and my back, so after i came inside her and finish, my d*ck was very hot and remember her very hot va#ina on my d#ck skin and feeling that my heart beat on my d#ck and my b@lls and d#ck was stretched and relaxed, after one day, i told myself i have tested what i want to do, and my life was having no meaning anymore, and there was no goals, cuz I'm not gonna marriage so i don't put marriage in my head so there is no goals anymore, and video games is having no meaning to me it's like doing tasks in another world so i better save this power for my real life job, even movies is romance and love and i don't need to watch people's loving each other, I'm not gonna lie i was happy and telling myself i have did this thing finally and nothing can stops me, and when i told my friends about it, they joke at me telling me, you did it for money, and not for free, i told them idc i just do it fast without waste my time loving a woman, so after that i realized that they are true, i did it with money, but the woman take the money to enjoy with it and she may have a boyfriend and loving him, but i still alone and single forever, so what did i gain is just something like dark place for short time doing that, so after that i will leave and she leaves go enjoy her life and she have friends and I'm not, my life is empty, i did it more than 10 times with about 5 different women and a new sexy escorts, but after i graduated, the college relax life is ended, and my life is empty and i have to find a job and there is no goals for future, even the one dream to work and travel to empty my much saved work money, i found that the jobs is low salary like in call center and retails, so if i have to become IT information technology jobs, i must take courses, to be continue ...
>>32563655I can relate i just feel like i am constantly restarting the clock. I dont fall in love with them, but i do feel like i am devaluing someone a lot and just cant be healthy. I can see where you come from because there has been food ive had that has felt nearly as good as some escorts. But not exact. For me physical touch is a luxury, and its an intense luxury that nothing besides opiates can compare to. I would say actually its more intense. There is something soul filling to me when i am sharing my body with someone. Even a hug is enough to make my skin feel like its vibrating.
>>325636774.So if i will take courses it's for money, and i must work to take that courses, i hate programming and designs and I can't find my way in computer jobs, so even travel goal, is removed from my list, even internet is not fun anymore, and even porn cuz masturbating is not the same feeling as s#x and quitting porn and fap is really good for my health and brain, and when i try to find work online i have failed and it's all fake, and when i try to make YouTube channel, there is no views and no subscribers, and i have deleted my emails and YouTube channel and everything on internet, cuz I'm like rushed, and my brain is overwhelmed from info to a lot of things, and right now life still have no meaning to me, I'm lost, my father over 60 and still working, and I'm trying to find entertainment on internet and to replace marriage, but can't find anything fun anymore on internet, and even traveling is hard cuz every month my salary is 3000 or 4000, 1000 for bus and transportation and plus there will be money for my foods, so how can i save for travel, to be continue ....
>>325637175.So my suggestion for you, when you do it with them, you will feel lonely after that, and she will take your money and she will go buy anything she wants and foods to live, and i have learned a lot from that, that women is not for free even if you date her, you must pay for restaurant foods, and buy her a drink or whatever, even in marriage every month you must give her money so she can save to buy what she wants or to buy foods for house,And i have learn experiences from s#x, like what products to stay longer in bed, and that quitting porn makes d#ck erection very very hard, and a lot of thingsSo as i said, once you do it you will have nothing fun to do, and you will understand that money gain for you women easily, so you will focus on getting rich to enjoy life, cuz feelings is better than seeing something on screens, and video games will be dark boring lonely place that doesn't makes you go forward and a lot of stress when you addicted to it, and i have understand that when i get out and there is money income then i have power, cuz with this money no one can force me on marriage, and my expectations on thinking that families force someone on marriage was wrong, cuz in my law if someone do that he will be in jail for 4 years, or when i get old and working and saving money for future then i can take a rent house or stay in hostel, and that anxiety from being forced on marriage is wrong, cuz no one actually working hard in my own job, so this is my money and my freedom life, and my brother is over 30 and he still unmarried, so happiness in life is money, so you did it or not i have shared my story with you, and you have the choice.
>>32563646>>32563629While it is a questionable activity, they wouldn't be selling if there wasn't a market for it. Idk what to tell you anon. With a prostitute you have the guarantee of sex. Incels prove that there is no guarantee of good relationships or any relationships to begin with. It isn't like society gives a fuck. Some people are born with mental deficincies that make it hard to socialize, meaning if getting a gf was already tricky enough to begin with, now they have this autism to worry about that makes it even harder. You can do all of that or just pay for sex and get it over with.
remember that woman can do free sex if attracted to some kind of man whatever having muscles or big dick , or she can take money and do sex from her husband if she married or boyfriend or random men , and she can cheat her bf or husband for reason or no reason.
I fundamentally refuse to ever lose my virginity since I only like 2D.
>>32563918And i have tried before when i was virgin to attract women by building muscles, but they are actually doesn't care cuz i don't know how to start talking when i have no money and not working, but once i see that it's easy to do sex with money, i realized that money gives you power and makes you ready to talk to any woman and any human, cuz you don't rely on people's for free, you have something that opens anything for you, foods or sex or move freely on the earth
>>32563955And people's and women will respect you cuz you have money, and once you have money your mood is good, cuz you don't fight to live, if someone talks bad with you then you can skip him and see another, cuz there is a lot of good heart people's around the world, and life is wide beautiful to be anywhere you want.
>>32563812Well said
Listen here op. Don’t fuck hookers. Dont wanna catch aids while trying to lose your v card. This sounds stupid but smile. Girls like guys who smile. Also work around and get some muscle.
>>32564101>This sounds stupid but smile. Girls like guys who smile. Funniest shit I've read this year.
>>32563972I offered to pay to lick a chicks foot and she said it’s not worth her time because guys pay her for nothing in return. I tried. Plus it’s illegal to pay to lick feet in my state.
>>32558065I waited until By this time I'm tempered and not obsessed. I have full control over myself and I won't get attached or addicted
>>32564728>Offering to pay a woman to degrade yourself and lick her feet
>>3256476627
>>32564767Only pale white young adult female feet are attractive to me. I don’t want sex or to have a penis. I like adult feet.
>>32563225Sorry you had to hear it bro, but everybody is replaceable.>>32563343>I think deep down most people need human connection, there is no such thing as a lone wolf in humans.He means that you can switch her out for another one if she doesn't suit your standards anymore, which is attractive. Interestingly enough, that's what puts men at a horrible disadvantage in marriage, since he loses that ability.>>32563620>I literally dont care about having sex with a bunch of random womenIf you can't do that, then you can't have a fulfilling relationship
>>32564775>I don’t want sex or to have a penis. I like adult feet.
>>32564855Yeah been trying most of my life never got to worship white female feet
>>32564857>never got to worship white female feet
>>32564859Yeah I’m not paying thousands to worship some wrinkly hags feet for 30 minutes. If only I was black I could do it free !
>>32564874>Paying thousands >If only I was black
Le epic funni maymays xddddd
>>32558665No wonder Europe has a birthrate and marriage rate even lower than America.
>>32558065Go to south east asia and you will get girls for free. Its good to build experience and confidence
>>32564934holy ameritard shit take
>>32564936Why do you say thisJust because some youtuber convinced you of this story to sell you a "how to get pussy" course doesn't mean it's true
>>32564936Lookup Mike sky on YouTube and watch any video
>>32564934By your logic Nevada should have a lower than average birthrate when in reality it sits at the average
>>32564936This is not the good thing he can do, he better do sex with money in any of women that lives in his country or closer area many times he want, and then he customize his life as he want.
>>32565413And he must to creampie cum in vagina so he lose his virginity, and not one time but many times.
>>32565431And i mean more than one time to enjoy the feelings, and never forget how the hot of the vagina feelings. But you can do one time and cum inside, and here you go, you lost your virgin.
>>32564851>sleeping around and being disloyal>"If you can't do that, then you can't have a fulfilling relationship"What is this cuckhold take?
>>32565674I didn't say anything about being disloyal
I remember thinking I was doomed because I didn't have sex until I was 17. Scary times, really makes me look back in hindsight and laugh when I read shit like this post. Anyways>>32558065In my opinion, 25 is the minimum age where that becomes a viable option. Not having sex yet in highschool/college is fine, even slightly after college since you're spending a lot of time figuring out life in general. After 25 though, you fall behind in a way that is obvious and grosses out most women (even the lower body count ones usually don't want to have to teach their man how to do everything). Have sex, maybe even ask for tips from these escorts, and NEVER mention that you paid to see hookers (ESPECIALLY to future prospective girlfriends). Just say you had a couple of flings here and there. More and more women are sex positive and supportive of sex workers but look down heavily on johns.
Im 36, have never had real sex. i've given massages, slept in bed naked with a gf, made out, rubbed my clothed dick on her clothed pussy till she orgasmed. but never got to stick my dick in her holes.this continued for more than a year, so i feel i know my way around a woman and can fake the confidence of a having a few relationships if a new girl asks. am i still a virgin?
>>32567345you're still a virgin who's done a lot of foreplayalso you mentioned her orgasming, what about you?anyways, what was the point of your post in regards to what OP said?
>>32567362no i didnt orgasm, most of the time it ended up hurting and rubbing my dick raw. she said i could jack off with her watching but i couldnt manage to get hard and finish in that way so i just focused on her and her nice tits.and it has to do with this thread because i've thought of getting it over with to go see a hooker, but i am worried about the stds, gangs, police, cheapening of love, etc. but honestly i think im getting too old to hold out for anything else to appear. im also poor and unemployed, that doesnt help things.i havent tried hookups with normal women though, or tinder or even gone to strip clubs, so i'll try that first i guess if i end this year without love again
>>32567430>cheapening of loveLife throws that at you without seeing a hooker
Never, there is nothing to gain from it
>>32567430I guess get one of those amps american anons talk about so much, at least they'll make you cum.not the cheapest option but the least dangerous in regards to all those things you're afraid ofalso after the first time someone else makes you cum instead of you you'll be more comfortable with cumming with other girl watching you or something
>>32558065Men can't be virgin but celibateOnly women are virgin Also who cares what fuck holes have to say in the first place They are below dogs
>>32560313What a disgusting post This is beyond degenerate Just unfathomably gross
the face of a princess and the feet of an aztec warrior
>>32558065Never. You will get damaged.
>>32560313I wouldn't fuck a 50 yo even if SHE paid me, and if they tied me and raped me I would never flaunt about it online, anyone older than 25 looks disgusting for the most partyeah I'm older than 25 and that statement includes me too, I would never pay to fuck someone even closer to my age.
>>32560313also I wouldn't define myself as a high tier normie and I've had multiple gfs, I think you guys are upping the bar for what kind of guys can get a gf on purpose so you don't feel that low on the scale and don't feel that bad that you can't land a gfbut also you gotta be realisitcyes I can pay to fuck a 10/10 but I don't think I'd be able to land a 10/10 as a gf, nor would I feel comfortable doing so, someone a number or two higher than me and I'm ok, so a 7 or an 8, that's what I've aimed for all my life and it has just workedstill crossed "fuck with a 10/10" out of my list.
>>32571605Idk man you should check out the 50+ thread on /hr/ Some fine ass old women in there
>>32571620fine? sure probablydo they look better than themselves when they were 18? not in a thousand years
>>32558065> They will even act supportive when they ask "how many relationships you had" and when you say 0 they lie and say thats sweet or ask why.a hooker is not a relationship so it wouldn't change anything for you
I'd say if you can't get a gf by age 14 it's over and you'll die an incel if you don't pay for sex
>>32571618>a 7 or an 8, that's what I've aimed for all my life and it has just worked>still crossed "fuck with a 10/10" out of my listfucking loathe when normies try to pretend to understand
>>32571315And yet, my body count is still under 10. I dont know how people go beyond that and live with themselves. Theres girls with like 10x my body count i cant imagine all the shit they have done. >>32571605You are thinking 50 as in your literal grandma. 50 isnt 70. The 50 year old i slept with i actually thought was 40, i wanted to sleep with someone doubt my age at the time and i learned from a local hobby forum she lied about her age and has said shes 40 for like a decade. She was still a great time and i disagree entirely with women over 25 being disgusting. Stop watching anime and porn and go the fuck outside. Women dont even start getting wrinkles and shit tell they are 35 and even then its not that bad. >>32571618>also I wouldn't define myself as a high tier normie and I've had multiple gfsThat puts you at high tier normie nowadays. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/>As of 2022, Pew Research Center found, 30 percent of U.S. adults are neither married, living with a partner nor engaged in a committed relationship. Nearly half of all young adults are single: 34 percent of women, and a whopping 63 percent of men. if 50% is considered normal, and over 50% is considered above normal, then that means even above average guys nowadays are alone constantly. Accept it man, you are above average unless these are stats from decades ago and youre older. I cant get a 7 or 8 out of 10. I cant even get a 1/10. I cant get any woman. That is the only reason why i ever saw escorts. If one woman, out of the 4 or so billion that exist said "ill give you a chance" i never would have even considered it. But they didnt. Because the bar HAS objectively been raised for men because women dont need men anymore. I was also saying most guys dont have the choice to alternate between a girlfriend or an escort. That is a rare luxury only about 37% of men get to enjoy.
>>32571630Tbh they have a different energy to them that makes them hot. Confidence, knowing what they are doing, feels less like fucking a kid, you get the idea. Ive met plenty women who got themselves in shape both physically and mentally that look 10x better at 30 than they did at 18. Nature doesnt always work like that.
>>32571873They never will understand. I dont try to argue with them too much, its just annoying when they dont realize how big of a luxury they have, and how good they have it. All without ever having to work for it. Like for us we are required to do a 180 total transformation to get a 3/10. For him though, he just has to exist, and he gets a 7 or 8 which is ridiculously hot btw. The hottest girl ive ever fucked was probably a 6/10 and cost nearly half a grand. I still think i was lucky because in a normal situation i wouldnt be able to fuck anyone. A 6/10 to me might as well be a 10/10 for him.
>>32572342>I dont know how people go beyond that and live with themselves.The average, at least as of 2022 iirc, is something low like 8. What you're describing is an extraordinary circumstance
>>32573358Depending on where you live. In the US its 10.7 which makes my statement true that there is a decently large amount of people, upwards of half of the adult population, that have a body count higher than i do. Women and gay people skew this number a lot but my statement still holds up. Its not an extraordinary circumstance but a uncommon to even common circumstance depending on WHERE in the US you are. In a big city expect far higher body counts and in a big city where youre gay or a woman expect even higher body counts. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-number-of-sexual-partners-by-country
>>32558065Never. I'll either get a woman without paying or die a virgin.
