>>32565026
This is why ascendant societies had monogamy
So that sentient males are not eaten away

>>32565026
>had a history with other men?
How many other men? And what type of relationships did she have with each of those other men?

>But something must have happened because they don’t follow each other anymore.
Yeah that’s called a ‘breakup’.

>She kind of disgust me now, to be honest
If she has a high body count 5+ or more and/or was into hookups/FWBs then sure, I get it. If she’s simply a non-virgin who tried her hand at a few long term relationships, then your disgust would be an overreaction.

>Maybe I can keep her as a fuck-buddy?
Definitely shouldn’t be disgusted if you’d also be the reason why women like her exist in the first place, a hitter & quitter, a fuckboy etc.

>>32565049
Do you have a gf anon? How do you deal with the fact that she was fucked by other guys?

Watch Chasing Amy

>>32565049
>How many other men?
>She's only had 1 dick in her anon. It's fiiiiine

>>32565059
>Do you have a gf anon
Yes a wife
>How do you deal with the fact that she was fucked by other guys?
Very easily. By having confidence in who she is, her character and also by empathising with her past. I wanted to be a virgin man and wait for marriage, I lost it at 16 to a girl who threatened to break up with me if we didn’t take each other’s virginity. I lost mine. Broke up couple years later (she cheated). Similar thing happened again with second girlfriend, she was also virgin. But she was emotionally unstable, crazy chick. She was a serial cheater, ended the same way, break up. Third girlfriend became my wife. She only had 2 relationships before me too.

She also, like me, tried to commit and love till marriage and all that, had sex only because it felt like you are supposed to if you love someone, then the relationships broke off, same as mine did. I empathise with that and could not be disgusted by her.

Also I learned something. Two virgins I dated were crazy ass whores. I just happened to be the first guy they fucked with. So to me, being a whore isn’t about virginity. It’s about whether or not the girl is an emotional and mental wreck or not. It’s a state of mind. So even with a virgin girl, you are not guaranteed safety.

What does guarantee a safe relationship is values and virtues. If the girl you met has a history of having relationships before you, and they’re only a couple, and she genuinely tried to love till the end, like you, but she met the wrong people, then what is there to hate? If she shows she is serious about committing to (you) in the present day then that’s all that counts.

>>32565080
So you are coping then

>>32565049
>How many other men? And what type of relationship
At least one. And no idea, it might have been a real relationship, or a casual relationship. She also goes to the club regularly, so who knows how many men. May God forgive my words.
>If she has a high body count 5+ or more and/or was into hookups/FWBs then sure, I get it. If she’s simply a non-virgin who tried her hand at a few long term relationships, then your disgust would be an overreaction.
True, but she also goes regularly to the club and gets drunk, so I don't know
>Definitely shouldn’t be disgusted if you’d also be the reason why women like her exist in the first place, a hitter & quitter, a fuckboy etc.
Hmm yeah, but I don't want to hurt her, so I think that sets me apart from the scum

>>32565085
I try to be an honest person anon. If I were coping, I would do my best to admit when I’m coping. In this case, no not coping. I don’t feel/think one way or the other about it, it’s a ‘whatever’ thing for me. So there’s nothing for me to cope about in my eyes.

I think if you’re a virgin man and your whole complaint is you want a virgin woman then it’s an understandable complaint, if you are chasing the ideal of waiting ‘till marriage, etc. If you’re not doing that and/or not a virgin yourself then I honestly can’t see why someone would feel disgusted. Unless the girl they’re trynna date has a massive bodycount and has a shameless history of being a whore.

>>32565175
Why it doesn’t bother you that someone else put a dick in your wife’s pussy? Makes no sense.

>>32565068
>Chasing Amy
Isn't that a movie about a lesbian? How will that help me?

>>32565074
So it's not actually fine then, right?

>>32565080
I agree, being a whore is also a mindset

>>32565179
Because my mind doesn’t regard the past as the present. I’m keenly aware there is no someone else in her pussy but me. I also don’t make it a habit to dwell on it or compare myself to it either. And as I already said, if I were bothered about it, it’d make me a hypocrite too. I was inside two women before her. And I guess last reason is, I care more about the emotional significance of the connection with a woman than sexual. I demand emotional and sexual. Sexual is important, but not as important as the former. Idk what else to say, I just don’t overworry or overthink or torture myself with feelings of not being enough, as some other men might do who worry about this sorta thing.

>she also regularly goes go the club and gets drunk
Yeah not a good sign there, not gonna lie. Even she might not know her own body count on account of being regularly drunk lol.

Does she go to the club alone or with friends? And are they all girlfriends or is it mixed gender?

>>32565074
Yes that would be fine. If she was genuinely trying to have a relationship and it just didn't work out, it happens. If she had sex with you as a virgin, and then the relationship didn't work out, does that now make her worthless in the dating market because she fucked you?

>>32565179
because his dick was also inside other women beforehand?

>>32565206
She goes with her female friends thankfully, but she told me how last time one of her friends brought her male friend with them, and she talked a bit too positively about him being a fitness coach or something, which was strange. Also she giggled when two guys were riding a motorcycle together in front of us, which was odd (I might be reading too much into this one though)
And when she was drunk once at a club she texted me and urged me to come meet her (I didn't because I don't like the clubs, the night-scene nor getting drunk) We met up later in a more normal setting lol, and she was embarrassed by her texts lol

>>32565221
To which part of the text are you referring to?

>>32565225
You ever told her that you don’t like her clubbing lifestyle? If I were in your shoes, I’d not be able or willing to picture a future where I have a girlfriend who constantly gets herself drunk in nightclubs every weekend. Especially if she’s keen on living that out without you alongside her. Doesn’t really scream ‘wife material’ now does it?

>>32565235
What is a wife material basing on your own wife?

>>32565026
Trust your gut, just find a new girl and work on yourself to put your mind on something positive.

>>32565080
A true man is allowed to fuck women before committing but if a woman fucked others, she’s trash to me.

>>32565235
Well, we only just had one date, we just started seeing each other. But no, that does not sound like wife material.
She also said that she's having this clubbing phase, whatever that indicates. But even if she invited me, I would NOT like to go at all.

>>32565026
Thats the funny thing, you don't.
Enjoy your used goods.

>>32565026
You just fuck her while you can but never get into a relationship with her.

>>32565324
>you don't.
I don't what? I don't deal with it? What does that even mean?

>>32565256
Okay man, thanks :) my gut is telling to me to steer clear off her, but now I feel kinda bad because we did have some connection, you know?

>>32565360
I see. Isn't that kind of bad? I don't like meaningless sex

>>32565026
LOL , you must say
>She still has him tagged deeper within her vagina
Lol they reached a deeper place that you didn't reach yet.
You're wrong from the first anon, cuz you have choosed to build a relationship and get cheated and cucked, and you have gived your heart to a woman of many women, and you have accepting to get cucked, so I don't care about your cuck romance life.

>>32565296
>Well, we only just had one date, we just started seeing each other. But no, that does not sound like wife material.
Then there’s no harm in calling it quits honestly. Having boundaries is important. That means you learn to say ‘no thank you’ to people or situations. This would be one of them. You’d be well within reason to just tell her you don’t wanna date and to just friendzone her.

>She also said that she's having this clubbing phase, whatever that indicates.
It indicates she doesn’t really have a handle on life, life has a handle on her. She just slips into phases. It signifies a probable lack of self control. Sometimes this is forgivable if it’s a girl who has phases of hobbies, like one minute she’s all about reading, the next it’s flower arranging, the next it’s whatever. But clubbing and alcohol as a phase is a red flag. Makes you wonder when the weed phase is gonna happen, when is the onlyfans phase gonna drop, etc etc. Phases are for kids, not adults is my point.

>>32565392
>I don't like meaningless sex
Ok, then don't have sex with her?

>>32565080
>By having confidence in who she is, her character and also by empathising with her past
Enjoy being cheated on and divorce raped.

There are several copes that will help you to deal with that and I am sure anons will be happy to provide. But the real issue here is - why do you ask? Do you feel you need the approval of others to disapprove something? Or do you feel bad having negative thoughts about something and need reassurance? Both are cringe feelings. Be a man. That is my advice to you.

>>32565392
>but now I feel kinda bad because we did have some connection, you know?
That won't go away just because you don't renew a contract and/or stick your dick in again, don't worry about it.
Just... do actually git gud, don't mope around once it's over.

>>32565179
>Makes no sense.
To actual cuckolds and low life trashy scum.

>>32565278
M

Why?

>>32565026
Get rid of her if it bothers you. The feeling will not pass. Her body count should be the same or less than yours.

>>32565398
>Lol they reached a deeper place that you didn't reach yet.
Yeah, because I didn't fuck her (yet?), duh
>You're wrong from the first anon
What the fuck does that mean?

>>32565399
>You’d be well within reason to just tell her you don’t wanna date and to just friendzone her.
Even without having had le sex?

>>32565416
Good idea

>>32565438
>why do you ask?
Because I don't know what the fuck to do in this kind of situation. Like, yes, I'm open to explore more with her since we get along, but on the other hand her lifestyle and sexual past is bothering me. Then there's the factor that I have an avoidant attachment style, so maybe this is just my fear of intimacy speaking, and I've blown off many girls just out of fear of them coming too close to me, and I've regretted some of those decisions and I don't want this to be one of them again.

>>32565450
>That won't go away just because you don't renew a contract and/or stick your dick in again,
>Just... do actually git gud, don't mope around once it's over.
What does all of this mean ??

>>32565487
>The feeling will not pass
Damn...

>>32565861
You can keep her around even if you don't like the fact that she's used goods. You don't have to like everything about someone.

>>32565842
I'm bad at english, so all i understand that it's a gf or your wife or a woman you love but seeing her going to bars, so i don't care, you are just cucked, and many men fucked her before you cuz she is not virgin, and her vagina is having logs and saved history traces from old days cock sweats and sperm, and you can't delete that saved data inside her vagina, every time your penis enter her, your penis will meet her old sex traces cocks.

>>32565903
Okay, so by keeping her around you mean not committing?

>>32565921
Not necessarily, that depends on how you weigh the situation

>The amazing digital circus
kys zoomie
>>32565915
ESL... This is an English site for English speakers only.

>>32565915
>Translated:
>I am bad at English. What I am saying is, it doesn’t matter if it’s your girlfriend or your wife or any woman of romantic importance, but you allow her to go to clubbing at bars, so as far as I’m concerned, you’re a cuckold. Many men have had intercourse with her before you, this is evidenced by the fact she is not a virgin. Her vagina retains genetic traces from all of the penises that have ejaculated inside of her vagina. You cannot erase the microscopic trace elements of the other men’s sperm, so the conclusion is that every time your own penis goes into her, you will be defiling your own penis with the traces of semen left behind by those other men.

>>32565206
This sounds like it was written by a woman.

>I already said, if I were bothered about it, it’d make me a hypocrite too. I was inside two women before her.
Men and women are different. Women being whores is much more of a mental, self destructive behaviour. Men can fuck around and keep things separate. A womans value is in how easy she is.

>torture myself with feelings of not being enough, as some other men might do who worry about this sorta thing.
Are you retarded? What is up with this backwards ass logic? You arent worrying you're "not enough" for the whore, youre worried because shes a whore to begin with. What manner of simpery is this? Did you have a male figure growing up? You Say youre a marred man, but your thinking and way of speaking reminds me of women on instagram.

>>32565950
>What I am saying is, it doesn’t matter if it’s your girlfriend or your wife or any woman of romantic importance, but you allow her to go to clubbing at bars, so as far as I’m concerned, you’re a cuckold. Many men have had intercourse with her before you, this is evidenced by the fact she is not a virgin.

(Wrong translate)

I mean, that i don't know if it's his wife or gf, and I'm talking angry cuz as my knowledge he said >How do I deal with knowing that a girl I'm seeing has had a history with other men?

So i don't like cuck men, I'm trying to let him understand that he is fucking gay to take opened vagina woman, cuz actually there is many cuck men on this website, that they are living in vagina water, or their hands are in cold water

>>32565392
>did have some connection, you know?
no, you didnt. Whores cant have connections, theyre broken awful people.

What youre calling a "connection" is no different from me thinking the escort likes me personally. Its dopamine validation. Im going to guess that you dont have much experience with women (you wouldnt be considering taking this further if you had), but women, especially women who have been with lots of men, know what to do and say to make you feel more at ease. Its a facsimile of human connectiion, its a trap, a lure, an illusion.

>>32565026
>How do I deal with knowing that a girl I'm seeing has had a history with other men?
You realise it doesn't matter even the tiniest bit, and stop thinking about it.

>>32565915
>>32565950
>>32565996
>Saaar, SAAAAR bloody benchod bastard why are you taking open woman saaar? Other man hoohaa have been in her yoni saaaar I rape her long time bastard bitch

this thread gets posted every other day and you anti-cuck posters protest a bit too much, yknow..

>>32565996
>there is many cuck men on this website, that they are living in vagina water, or their hands are in cold water

lmao vagina water. Your english sucks but you were able to paint a very accurate image of simps, well done.

>>32566014
LMAO

>>32566015
So true I'm not gonna advise this cuck OP anymore, he is gay and cuck

>>32566009
Hoe talk. Disregard this OP. This whore wont be there for you when the whore youre considering breaks your heart and makes a fool out of you.

These women are speaking from a place of insecurity. Deep down they know theyre used goods, of lesser value than women who arent sluts. Theyre known that for thousands of years. I guess its stems from the fact theyre just ugly, so they slut it up to feel validated by men. Its sad really.

Reminder that the "oh any woman who isn't a virgin is worthless" thing is a cope
None of you are religious, no one who uses this website comes from a traditional background. The reason why you're obsessed with female virginity is because you've internalized the repeated rejection you've faced from women over and over in your life. You then developed the coping mechanism that "oh well if she chose other men over me then she's a whore" to compensate for your failings in romance and life. Finally, the ironic part is that you're only deepening your inferiority complexes because you're constantly thinking of other men, specifically other men's penises.
Furthermore, this idea that women "pair bond" with the man that took their virginity and never forget their first, is something only men with no experience dating women think. Every whore started out as a virgin. Let me repeat that for the slow or ESL (same thing really) members of the audience: EVERY WHORE WAS A VIRGIN AT SOME POINT. It means next to nothing, no matter how many times you post that deprecated and probably incorrect study (google "replication crisis" btw and do some reading before you put your blind faith in studies that have been "adjusted" because professors and academics are under pressure to publish no matter what).
There is no argument for coming back to this, if you reply to this post, if you try to argue against it, you're implicitly admitting I'm right.

I don't understand why so many anons equate fucking a used-whore = cuck. Now I'm not going to disagree that fucking a woman who already had sex is disgusting but this doesn't make you a cuck. A cuck is someone who intentionally gets off to watching other men with his woman of interest. This sounds nothing like fucking a used-whore.

You guys are retarded.

>>32566058
>You guys are retarded.
I’m not one of those guys but they’re insecure is all. They’re not very happy with their own sense of masculinity so the idea that another man dated their current girl in the past sends them into anxiety because they think they are in competition with the ex guy somehow, and they fear about ‘losing’ that competition, or worry if they can outperform. Ties into other insecurities like dick size, height, male pattern baldness, muscle or lack of etc

>>32566055
>Dont believe you lying eyes and data, chud!
You are so fucking pathetic. Imagine typing all of this and calling other people insecure.

>>32566126
>BUT MUH STUUUUUUDY
I'm just curious, how do you feel about the COVID vaccine?

>>32566110
>because they think they are in competition with the ex guy somehow
No one thinks this slut. No one who fucked you ever though they were competing with the 10 other dudes that fucked you previously. Youre just easy and not worth committing to.

God women are so stupid.

>>32566110
(cont)
THAT being said. No man should date a whore, an actual high body count woman with no sexual or moral values. So the insecurity accusation imo is used too often for men and even then I wouldnt call it an accusation, just an explanation. Lots of guys can get insecure for all kinds of shit, its not a crazy or ugly thing.

>>32566141
I’m not a woman and the more you assume every post is a woman the more unhinged you’re coming off as. Take a break or something.

>>32566058
NNNOOO you don't understad!1!!1 /r9k/ and /pol/ told me if you have interest in a woman who dare even GAZED at a guy than that makes you a cuck! A dirty libtard cuck obsessed with BBC porn! It's all true because a random person on the internet told me so!

>>32566134
What a poor attempt at deflection. You're legit low IQ.

Its quite obvious used up women are not wife material. You dont need to be religious to know that. Its ancient wisdom. You can find that sort of message all throughout the world from all across time.Its one of the obvious truths to life that is questioned because it hurs the feelings of ugly, undesireable women.

"You can't turn a hoe into a housewife". How religious was the guy that said that? Not much I suppose. The idea that only a religious man would find a slut to be undesirable shows a complete lack of understanding of male psychology.

The question is: Are you an ugly slag yourself, or are you a longhoused, browbeaten man insecure about his slut girlfriend?

>>32566151
I assumed that you were one becuase you seemed clueless about what men actually think.

I guess then we can chalk up your retarded "insecurity" claim as projection.

>>32566058
>I don't understand why so many anons equate fucking a used-whore = cuck

Im pretty fucking sure no ones saying that, you moron. The problem is commiting, not fucking.

>>32566198
Not everyone wants a wife or kids. The ultimate freedom is when you can date anyone you want.

>>32566198
>AD HOMINEM AD HOMINEM AD HOMINEM
Kek and you're calling me low IQ. You've already lost, you proved exactly my point because you think every woman who hasn't given you exclusive sexual access is a "whore."
I hope you find your virgin and she cheats on you with a nigger and maybe you'll finally understand my point. Probably not though, since you seem obsessed with bending your view of reality through the lens of your insecurities.

>>32566234
I'd rather date a good woman than a used up whore, kids or not, desu.

Sure fucking a slut might be fun, but dating one? You're essentially dating a mental patient. Someone who doesnt value themselves.

If sluts werent insecure because of their body counts, they wouldnt need all of social media, movies, tv shows and feminism to validate their poor choices.

And ultimately nobody wants a slut for a mother, not even a slut would want that. People only feign ignorance becuase its not PC, but deep down no one wants a famili member to be a whore, because they know those people are poisonous.

>>32566260
Yeesh, I feel bad for whoever has to clean up your room.

>>32566232
>Im pretty fucking sure no ones saying that
>>32565398 literally says, " you have choosed to build a relationship and get cheated and cucked... and you have accepting to get cucked, so I don't care about your cuck romance", retard.

>>32566299
>Sure fucking a slut might be fun, but dating one? You're essentially dating a mental patient. Someone who doesnt value themselves.
Most of the people who go on this site are mental patients. Anyway, you are focusing on only one factor (the enjoyment of sex) while ignoring everything else that is important in a partnership. If I had to choose between a hot girl with a history and an unattractive beast with no history, I would choose the hot girl.

>>32566055
New psychobabble cope just dropped

>>32566142
Body counts are a cope. You can't prove a woman with a low body count acted under a different principle than a woman with high body count

Either a woman is a virgin or she is used goods, anything else is mystification

>>32566215
>I assumed that you were one becuase you seemed clueless about what men actually think.

Men don’t all think the same. Men should think for themselves and not have to appeal to some collective archetype. If you haven’t noticed by now ITT, not every guy here agrees with each other. So tell me what men ‘actually think’?

>I guess then we can chalk up your retarded “insecurity” claim as projecion.
Observation. You’re not the only person with a pair of eyes or a network of other male friends.

>>32566387
>You can't prove a woman with a low body count acted under a different principle than a woman with high body count
>anything else is mystification
So is it fear of trusting a woman then? Or is it difficult to judge a woman’s character? Is it really mystification, or is it not possible for a man to know what he’s dealing with by talking to a woman and just gauging if she’s a cunt or not from her personality?

>>32566387
>Either a woman gives ME exclusive sexual attention or she's a whore just like all those whores that rejected me for other men
This is what you're actually saying, bro

>>32565938
>that depends on how you weigh the situation
What does that even mean?

>>32566534
Sexual behavior is part of her character

>>32566545
No, what I was saying is that it's impossible to prove that a woman with a low bodycount was acting under a different principle than a woman with a high one

Used goods appreciators sometimes say the following to cope - if a woman is a virgin it might be because she is asexual or otherwise asexual, and not because she guards herself. And that is true, it's something you have to discern.

>>32566586
>she is asexual or otherwise asexual
lol

I meant asexual or otherwise uninterested in sex

>>32565850
>Even without having had le sex?
Personally I wouldn’t have sex with her no, even if she makes it an easy FWB thing. My two reasons are:
1) If she’s mentally deranged or emotionally unhinged, she will use sex to dig her talons into you, mentally.
2) If she isn’t, the sex is meaningless, and it’s just gonna distract you from finding a meaningful woman and a meaningful relationship.

I didn’t wanna risk my ability to pairbond or develop a madonna-whore complex like lots of other dudes I saw around me, so I always said no to casual hook ups and shit. Though the choice is entirely yours and if you can hack it, it’s your life.

>>32565026
i know what all of my girl's exes look like

i smoke with my ex's man every few weeks and he's one of my homies. people can have interacted with people before you.

i'm not sure why you think it's a problem but it's actually quite strange.

>>32566570
It means what it means. You consider her being used goods a negative. But maybe she has many other qualities that outweigh it. I don't know. I can't judge from here.

>>32566586
>Sexual behaviour is part of her character
>it's impossible to prove that a woman with a low bodycount was acting under a different principle than a woman with a high one.

Then why roll with the presumption she’s whore minded? If we adopt your mindset, then it becomes a matter of trust and faith. And if we conclude they’re most likely whores, then it says we would have trust issues and bad faith, right?

For the record I think there is a way to discern one from the other very easily, but to obtain this way of knowing you either need to have good parents who raised you well, or, get burned by a couple of psycho sluts and learn the hard way. I had to learn the hard way. I can only hope you can trust me when I say this but brotha, believe me, it’s really fucking easy to spot who the whores are and who ain’t. Once you know you know and you can figure it out within a 30 min conversation.

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>>32566606
>I didn’t wanna risk my ability to pairbond or develop a madonna-whore complex like lots of other dudes I saw around me
The biggest threat to your dating life is you nigga you are fucking crazy.

>>32566646
>Then why roll with the presumption she’s whore minded?

Prudence

>>32566657
>The biggest threat to your dating life is you nigga you are fucking crazy.
How is that crazy? That I was very observant and didn’t want to repeat the mistakes I was seeing around me? If you see someone fuck their life up, then the smart move isn’t to repeat their motions. This crazy to you?

>>32566657
He's got a point. Many a man starts fooling around with a whore and ends up attached or getting the hoe knocked up and ends up in disgrace

>>32566661
I think prudent would be generous to describe that disposition. It’s on the way to prudence, and I like and respect prudence, it’s an underrated virtue. But all I’m suggesting is run the prudence.exe program a little bit longer, let it run a 30-min convo with the girl you’re sceptical about and pay attention to red flags is all I’m saying. Actual whore-minded women usually repeat their same script over and over.

>>32566673
Judging by this crazy posts this anons dating life is non existent

>>32566699
No, it's not. People invent all sorts of fictions about themselves. In the end only action counts.

But this is all in general terms. Personally I just find it icky.

>>32566612
>i'm not sure why you think it's a problem but it's actually quite strange.
Because one of them was a half black half white Michael Jackson copycat. And I don't know what to think of this woman having fucked a half black guy.

>>32566614
>maybe she has many other qualities that outweigh it
Yeah she does. Like working at a bank. Being pretty, she smells good and she challenges me, and we do forbidden things together like a team (like entering construction sites and trying to open closed doors in public and such, that was fun)

>>32566732
>No, it's not. People invent all sorts of fictions about themselves.
I know and you can get very very good at picking the fiction apart. You just need to see how their words don’t line up with their actions, or, just pay attention to their facial expressions, way they carry themselves. The things they say, always assume and question why they say it, and not face value. Or just play some cheap tricks, pretend to buy into the lies and then dupe them into contradicting themselves.

>>32566646
>psycho sluts
That sounds kinda hot. Where can I find them?

>>32566586
>>32566602
No, ESL, what you are saying is exactly
>All women are trash except for the ones that give me their exclusive sexual attention
If it were about "guarding" herself then why would it be so bad if she "guarded" herself before getting together with her first BF, was loyal and committed to him for years, he goes do some dumb shit likes cheats so she breaks up, and then "guards" herself until she meets you?
Because it has nothing to do with "guarding." You want to be a woman's exclusive source of sexual experience because you're insecure.

I'M NOT SAYING TO GO OUT AND MARRY A WHORE WHO FUCKED A HUNDRED DUDES. But writing off a woman because she had one previous LTR is straight up retarded and has nothing to do with "purity" or anything else. I guarantee if your nasty, crusty ass got your hands on a virgin girl you wouldn't give a fuck about waiting until marriage.

>>32566316
I feel bad for me too, because for some reason I feel the compulsion to argue with psychos like you when I can be doing 100 other better things with my time.

>>32566963
>what if she guarded herself until she didn't guard herself and then she guarded herself until she didn't guard herself again

Don't you realize you are retarded?

>>32566880
>That sounds kinda hot. Where can I find them?
You don’t. They have a habit of finding (you). Just make sure to appear all shy and introverted but don’t overdo it. Just appear aloof and unconnected to social groups, pretend you’re a gazelle who strayed from the pack. Put yourself in any social gathering, and behave agreeably. Seem like the type of person who is naïve and doesn’t say ‘no’ or question anything put to him. The psycho slut will magnetically show up in your life, every time without fail, because that is exactly the type of person they are attracted to and seek out.

>>32566980
So women have to have perfect judgement and make the right choice about the man they pick each and every time, and also the men they pick have to be completely static and never change and always make perfect decisions to preserve the relationship?
Bro, not only are YOU the retarded one, you're just fucking insane. Leave your room and go outside, holy shit.

>>32567020
This is such a particular case that you see to be hung on. I could engage with you on it, but I don't see the point. Either way men don't exist to clean up after women. And virginity shouldn't have its value decreased just to appease women that were unlucky in how they dispensed it.

>>32567068
>This is such a particular case that you see to be hung on.
No, it's literally just the case for most women once you reach a certain age. If you weren't brainrotted and had any experience with women or relationships outside of secondhand info from forum posts and "redpill" literature, you'd know most women actually don't ride the cock carousel, but they do have one or two past relationships and if you don't want to be forever alone you'll have to contend with that.
>I could engage with you on it, but I don't see the point.
No, you can't, which is why you're giving up.
>Either way men don't exist to clean up after women.
No one implied this
>nd virginity shouldn't have its value decreased just to appease women that were unlucky in how they dispensed it.
No one implied this either, we're just saying labeling women who were with one guys "whores" as if they were sucking and fucking a new guy every weekend is illogical and insane.

Seriously, you have mental problems if you see virginity as a "commodity" to be "dispensed" instead of just a temporary condition. Ironically, I'm afraid your virginity will be terminal which is fine by me. More women for me, including your precious virgins.

>>32566986
Oh. So that's why they never appeared. I'm too disagreeable

>>32567113
Holy based

>>32567113
Really then, most women are romantic victims of non-static boyfriends? You say men don't exist to clean up after women but you choose to always portray them as victims.

Any woman that gave herself without securing commitment is a whore because she acted under the principles of a whore. If it was with 1 or 10 men it is irrelevant.

Pray tell me, what if a woman gets a boyfriend, is lied to and breaks up, gets another boyfriend and is lied to and breaks up... and so on until she gets a notch count of 10, is then she a whore according to your notions? Or is she a victim like the woman of "one or two" boyfriends?

>>32567154
Before I say anything, I want to understand your definition of "commitment"
Do you mean being in a committed relationship, or do you mean marriage? If you mean marriage, which for thousands of years has been a religious ceremony, then the argument ends here I'm afraid because in all likelihood you are an atheist and you'd also deflower any virgin your grubby little hands fall into before marriage.
>No bro I'm totally trad and would wait until marriage!
This only makes sense if you're religious seeing as marriage is an inherently religious ceremony in spite of it being recently co-opted by the state. If you're an atheist but you still want to "wait until marriage" then you're just a tradlarper who is constrained by his own neuroses.
Anyway it's not my problem, you're gonna die alone by your own choices and that doesn't affect my life at all. I'm trying to save you, but you can drown in the sea of your own psychosis.

>>32567184
Just commitment. "Committed relationships" aren't really committed, since one can freely leave it without any reason. Marriage is one form of commitment, but in the end what it boils down to is the promise of a lifetime of servitude.

Your descriptions of my character are most amusing but useless lol

I'm here imagining my grubby cheeto-crusty hands going all over my virginal victim while she goes "n-no anon you promised to wait" and I have a malicious grin in my face

>>32567205
>are most amusing but useless lol
You're not making a great case that you're not some fat neckbeard if you type like this
>in the end what it boils down to is the promise of a lifetime of servitude.
So how do you feel about women who get married to "great" guys but down the line get cheated on or their husbands become abusive or something? Because again, believe it or not people do change, and not everyone is a 100% perfect judge of character.
I'm not even trying to be mean but this is a genuine neurosis you have, you're very disconnected from reality.
>>32567214
lol ok this was funny

>>32567263
>>32567263
>>in the end what it boils down to is the promise of a lifetime of servitude.

That's what LOOOVE is. You all like to talk about love to polish the turd that is your pursuit of tingles, but that's what it actually is.

>So how do you feel about women who get married to "great" guys but down the line get cheated on or their husbands become abusive or something?

It's sad, but the shame is on the one that didn't upheld their side of the bargain

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But 4chan told me I mustn't speak to any non-virgin woman !!

>>32567276
I'm a guy, a guy who had the same neurosis you did in fact. Then, I got the virgin, she turned out to be a bitch, monkeybranched on me, and I finally snapped out of it and realized a woman being a virgin doesn't make her this perfect pure specimen.
Again, I hope you do get a virgin girlfriend and she cheats on you, viciously. It will be the best thing that ever happened to you since you might finally snap out of this actual psychosis you have

>>32567465
I think virginity is valuable. Not that every virgin is perfect.

>I hope you do get a virgin girlfriend and she cheats on you, viciously
You are a bad, bad man! I hope you get a perfect and virginal woman and she completely convinces you its merits.

>>32567287
>But 4chan told me I mustn't speak to any non-virgin woman !!
You’ve been had, nigga. 4chan is majority autism spectrum. Autists have chronic perfectionism, including in relationships. So they demand ‘fresh start’ virgin woman only, or nothing at all. They also suffer from catastrophic thinking; so the non-virgin woman? Catastrophic depiction in their thoughts is:
>”GLUGGLUGKLUG MRFFHH GUH I GAG CHAD COCK CHAD IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANON”

And then they also suffer from low theory of mind, meaning they are mentally unable to comprehend the intentions, thoughts, and motivations of other people who are not them. So no one can convince them out of their autistic stupor, not even a non-virgin woman who happens to crush on them, the autist will always assume she is a nightmare whore from hell and he needs to wait until his virgin waifu show up.
>Autist turns 40 years old
>She still hasn’t showed up
>”Well, fuck..” the autist sighs
>”Guess I’ll pay a hooker who has had 100 men.”
[Yes the absurdity and irony is also lost on the autist]

>>32567538
Don't listen to this man, what was plapped cannot be unplapped

>>32567538
KEK, I agree with you

>>32567558
By that logic only 16 year olds have any chance at virgin pussy, and I had the misfortune to have awful classmates at that time so I didn't have any gf at that time. So I'll just get what I can now.

>>32565026
My wife and I have only been with each other. My best friend's wife is a complete and total slut. She'll sleep with literally anybody. Her sexual appetite is insatiable and she told him when they started dating that she could never be exclusive to him. She's even fucked her father and brother and has tried to seduce me several times.

Personally, I would only be okay with two types of women - women like my wife, who has only ever been with me, and women like my friend's wife who is a complete and total slut. The difference with my friend's wife is she has no emotional connection to the men she lets fuck her. She's totally loyal to my friend, she just needs a lot more sex than he can give her. She had a 20x guy gang-bang on her birthday last year, and 7 guys fucked her on New Year's.

>>32565213
>If she had sex with you as a virgin, and then the relationship didn't work out
This is an edge case and in a healthy society men and women would court each other first, making it a vanishing edge case
Whatsmore, the more dicks a woman has had in her before marriage (the largest jump being from 0 to 1), the more likely she is to divorce and end up broken (in real life this is what happens unlike sex in the city hollywood fantasy) or end up not marrying at all (then become mad and depressed when her looks fade, which is usually late 20s)
You unfortunately are incapable of understanding why this is important because you have been propagandised by filthy, perverted talmudic bankers who HATE you and you are too weak to hold a dissenting opinion

>>32567558
>what was plapped cannot be unplapped
KEK im stealing that line.

But for real, anon, can you explain to me the mystery? Why does the humble autist listen to Slipknot ‘wait and seethe’ while holding out for the pure as snow virgin maiden for so long? Why does he turn down some okay prospects of women who only had 1 or 2 guys before him? BUT THEN he gets fed up of waiting and goes to fuck a succubus who has had 155 men in a single month?

Does science have an answer?

>>32566029
>Hoe talk.
I'm a guy.

>>32568072
I have no idea what you are talking about. Did this happen to someone you know?

>>32568089
>I have no idea what you are talking about
Yes you do, don’t tell me you haven’t seen the multitudes of doomer threads of men on this board who lament they can’t find a gf, hate ‘whores’ aka women who have had sex before, and then when all is said and done they save up a few paychecks to EscortMAXX. Don’t you lie to me bro, you know exactly who I speak of

>>32568100
I don't know if they are the same, but not understanding it gives up you are a woman. Fucking a escort you give her no emotional investment or social recognition, so her sexual past is not relevant. Though I don't support that sort of thing and wouldn't do it myself.

Go to Reddit /r/retroactivejealousy
get ready to cook up some copes because there is no other way around it

>>32568279
>Reddit
Already got a cope cooked and I dont even care about sex history. But its a good cope and a legitimate one
>Reddit
Fuck reddit. No one should ever consult them for life advice at any point. I despise porn and coomers. But I’d never even fell them to go to reddit no fap, I don’t hate them that much.

>>32568279
Ledditors really are something else lmao

>>32568304
Remember the time they celebrated Ukraine and posted pics of a squadron of Ukraine soldiers for updoots, only for their coordinates to be found and the squadron killed by Russian militia? Reddit killed niggas just for updoots.

Or the time they gaslit a married man into believing he was the asshole for wanting to check his wife’s phone and inquire into a possible affair, shat on him mercilessly and it turned out she was actually a two timing whore and they all gaslit him just because it was the socially ‘nice’ thing to say for updoots?

Loads more examples. Redditors are the definition of milquetoast spineless overly agreeable weasels who can’t think an original thought and outsource all their beliefs and principles to normie feel good sensibilities. Fuck em all.

>>32567636
How is this an edge case? All women who have had sex have been, or are currently in the situation of having a body count of 1. Were they instantly worthless whores the very moment they didn't marry their first lay and stay together forever? Because that almost never happens.

Or are you going to tell me that 99% of women NEVER try for a serious relationship and lost their virginity via a hookup.

recovering over this girl i've been trying to get to kno for 3 years finally got time with and found out yesterday she's been linking with guys; it pissed me off cuz like highkey thought she wasn't promisucius but she is and it's broken my heart highkey wan crashout over her cuz. she was perfect too like idk. ima roll up ts got me so fucked up. miss my dad broh

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>>32565026
post body

>>32570421
What for?
Pic not related?

>>32569143
>3 years
I admire your patience lol, was she that hot? How old was she?

>>32565026
I think you should grow up and stop using other people's sexual histories to hurt your own feelings.

NOBODY but cucks want to see their girls get fertilized by another man. It sucks to think about, especially if you're worried about cheating. But there comes a point where you're choosing to cause problems for the relationship and yourself by dwelling on the thought.

Also, if you're inexperienced that can exacerbate these feelings. If you had your own relationships to look back on it would help to put things in perspective.

>>32565059
>Do you have a gf anon?
Yes.
> How do you deal with the fact that she was fucked by other guys?
Easily, because I'm not a 20 year old weirdo dating my first ever gf, because I've fucked plenty of other women myself, because I'm not some purity-spiraling religious nut, and because I don't have a thinly veiled cuck fetish where I like to imagine her being fucked by other men.

>>32565213
Yes. This is exactly why not having sex outside of marriage is a thing.

>>32570717
This is why, whether you agree with this or not, you're only supposed to date (let alone marry) people with similar or compatible values to your own, instead of people with opposite values while holding their values against them.
So in other words, if you feel this strongly about virginity, you should be with someone you met in your church group or something back in high school, or early 20s at the latest.
Instead, what I see on this board time and time again are guys looking for their first gf at 30 who are getting mad the women of the world didn't hold on to their collective virginities just for them.

>>32567184
>libertine retard making the exact same argument as fundamentalists
Back in the day, liberals insisted that you didn't need religion for morality. Yet here you are, fighting tooth and nail to claim that the only possible way to value exclusivity (i.e. waiting until marriage, the factually best way to realize it) is through religion.

>>32567465
>realized a woman being a virgin doesn't make her this perfect pure specimen.
Don't project your idiocy onto everyone else.
Caring about virginity doesn't mean it's the only thing the matters. Waiting until marriage is a single condition of sharing values about the nature of relationships; it doesn't dictate what you're looking for in a woman and your relationship with her.

>>32570741
>you're only supposed to date (let alone marry) people with similar or compatible values to your own
Yeah, duh?
Doesn't change the applicability of waiting to lots of people who are misled. There are tons of people who genuinely believe that the best way to get a lasting and happy marriage is to casually date and have sex until they feel a "spark", or who think that sex without commitment is "normal" and something they owe their partner. Those are demonstrably false beliefs, not a fundamental difference in values.
Now, if people insist that sex outside of marriage isn't a big deal regardless, THAT is a difference in values. But that's a very different question from "is sex outside of marriage going to help me realize my ideals in a relationship?" I don't post to convince the former of anything, let alone to rage at them for not dating me or some nonsense. I post to reach the people who value the things best served by waiting, but who might not have considered the option.

>>32570780
>Yeah, duh?
Don't "yeah duh" me when it's pretty clear that people are simply not doing this. Look at OP for example, if he was truly practicing to only consider relationships with women on the same page, he wouldn't be dating someone who had a "previous sex life" to begin with. Instead, he dates someone who doesn't share those specific values and would rather now seethe and hold her past choices against her.
And here's the thing though: it has to be assumed that most socially functional adults in 2025 DO have a past sex life of some sort or another. Like I said, the only exceptions would be the very religious, the very young, and/or the people who simply believe in that for their own reasons BUT they will be very specific and vocal about that, especially if they are using a dating site to meet like-minded people, etc.

>>32570741
I'm okay if the bitch had like 2 or 3 niggas in her since she was expected as looking for a life partner as well and nowadays keeping your virginity is taboo for women but this bitches hold 2 to 3 body count numbers. I'll rather be alone than with a roastie or a single mother

>>32570627
I'm 100% sure, this is what you and her look like

>>32565026

>> Oh noes,
>> this girl didn't start existing when I met her.
>> How do I deal with reality and the fact she's a real person with a life outside of me
>> how do I deal with the fact she's not just an object
>> why didn't she start existing when I met her

Tell her what you've written here. Then once she's dumped you, don't try to date anyone else until you've grown up.

>>32570421

Tbf, 90% of couples from all generations looked like that. I mean they were thinner, because they weren't weird about food and didn't sit all the time, but you know those genes didn't come outta nowhere.

>>32570840
women or coper?

>>32570808
I agree. I criticize people like OP plenty.
>he dates someone who doesn't share those specific values
He doesn't have them himself. His behavior isn't consistent with his desires.

>>32565026
As a celibate man giving advice
Treat her as a disposable fuck hole
No more no less
Don't get attached or waste more money than needed

>>32565080
You truly sound like a disgusting human being
No wonder Jews want you dead

>>32565206
The more you write the more I'm disgusted by you
Truly filth you are

>>32565026
Nigga what are you expecting
The only women who are not virgins past the age of 13 are turbo religious who only date turbo religious men. And even then it's a minority.

>>32570717
That's fair. I have zero issue with that opinion, it's just that 90% of the time I hear it, they fail or refuse to also apply it to men. Meaning if you have a body count higher than 1 as a man you are also worthless.

>outside of marriage
What if you have sex within marriage and the marriage fails? I'm assume this means you are against divorce as well.

>>32565026
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmt-9HTVZoM

>>32571016
>His behavior isn't consistent with his desires.
What do you mean? What would you know about my behaviors?

>>32570835
Lik what? Her being fat and full of make-up, and me wearing glasses and having a beard?

>>32570748
Goes back to my argument about wanting to larp as a traditionalist when all you care about is exclusive sexual access to a woman
You have a mental problem, and thank fuck you'll never reproduce to pass it along

>>32571293
>it's just that 90% of the time I hear it, they fail or refuse to also apply it to men
Those are incels and PUA types. I argue with them, too.

>What if you have sex within marriage and the marriage fails?
Depends on the circumstances. I don't hold justifiable divorce against a woman, as long as she acted reasonably getting into it (for example, if she married a guy she just met a couple months before, that's still bad).
Divorce because they "fell out of love" or some nonsense, let alone wrongdoing on her part, are still dealbreakers, and the former is arguably worse than just sleeping around. At least the latter are open about it. But those who see divorce as just something to do whenever they don't feel excited share the latter's mindset while pretending they care about commitment.

Regardless of my opinion of a woman, though, I don't want to marry a divorcee. Even if she wanted to and her baggage from a shitty relationship didn't affect her, she couldn't give me the exclusivity I want in a relationship.

> I'm assume this means you are against divorce
No. There are some cases where I see it as not just acceptable but a moral obligation. I think divorce is, at best, a consequence of severe problems. Getting rid of divorce wouldn't address those problems, but I'd of course be happy if reducing them also reduces the rate of divorce.

>>32572717
>has sex with gf
>boohoo, my gf had sex with other guys
You got exactly the kind of woman your behavior produces and then complained about it.
Worse, you think deliberately using someone for sex is a valid option. That goes beyond simple hedonism.

>>32565043
How come none of the anons acknowledged the FPBP?

>>32572756
I'm not "larping as a traditionalist". I was pointing out the irony in your argument that the only way anyone could possibly value monogamy is through religion. Go to any fundie church. They'll preach exactly the same thing, that people can't be 'good without God'.

And how come every single one of you mongoloids assumes that caring about anything which annoys you means that thing is ALL I care about? Yes, monogamy is a non-negotiable standard, just like not holding a mindset like mine is a non-negotiable standard for you.

Lastly, you're a guy who "helps" people by berating them and rejoicing that they'll never reproduce. You're a clown.

>>32572789
>>has sex with gf
I never said that and I didn't fuck her, we only met once but are still texting a little

>>32572808
>Lastly, you're a guy who "helps" people by berating them and rejoicing that they'll never reproduce. You're a clown.
Holy kek

>>32572828
Okay, I'll amend what I said.
You thoughts aren't congruent with your stated desires, since you were at least considering using another person for sex. Don't do that. It's a shitty thing to do and makes you no better than the people who disgust you.

>>32572860
So what, I should just ghost her then?

>>32572756
>exclusive sexual access to a woman

The horror

Such a man is worse than Hitler

>>32565026
Every girl you get with will have gurgled some other guys cum. Or been creampied multiple times. Get over yourself.

>>32573054
There is more than one way to react to such state of things

>>32565026
This is why we rape them, anon. Just rape. It'll be legal soon. Once every women is properly raped, it will cease to be a crime. It'll be just like going shopping for groceries.

>>32565179
>Why it doesn’t bother you that someone else put a dick in your wife’s pussy?
The same reason I don't care that someone else drove my car before I bought it or slept in the hotel room before I rented it. I don't value things based on how many other people have touched it. I value them based on what their utility is in my life right now and my connection with them.

>>32573080
I mean, die alone if you want. I don't think anybody will care.

>>32573208
>>32573210
I care

>>32573208
Next time you buy a used car, insist in paying full price. The owner will be very happy.

>>32573210
You'd be surprised.
Once a virgin reaches their late-20's, assuming they've done the grunt work to be financially secure, they'll be seen as prime beta provider material. When the first women approached me at 28, I was honestly shocked. At first I was intrigued, excited even, but as the conversation continued I realized it was all fake. Her interest, her attempts at being "cute", it just all rubbed me the wrong way. It was off-putting to me because, age us down ten years, she'd never give me the time of day. That cutesy talk comes from a girl who has gagged on cock hundreds, if not thousands, of times. That entitled attitude of hers reflects her seeing me as a resource, not a partner, and certainly not a lover. This has happened a few times now with different women and each one is somehow worse than the previous. Women cannot handle rejection, at all. Even mutual women friends will say shit like
>give her a chance
>come on anon don't be silly
Not having any of it. I'm dying alone no matter what. I am not going to let some princess take half my shit or fund her poor life decisions in exchange for a performative "relationship"

>>32573258
I don't get it, what are you trying to say with this?

>>32573263
>from a girl who has gagged on cock hundreds, if not thousands, of times
How the fuck do you know that, did she explicitly tell you that?
And you do realize that money is like the male equivalent of a big ass, right? It's a promise for women, a promise of security that your money brings. Same how her big hips are a promise to give life easier.
But yeah, if she treats you like a bag of cash then that's obviously something different.

>>32573263
>It was off-putting to me because, age us down ten years, she'd never give me the time of day. That cutesy talk comes from a girl who has gagged on cock hundreds, if not thousands, of times.

I do hope you see the broken logic in your post, anon. You say on one hand that she would have never given you the time of day 10 years ago. And then you have the confidence in claiming she sucked hundreds or thousands of cocks throughout those 10 years.

There is no way of knowing that. You admit she wouldn’t have gone near you = you never got to know her back then = you have no idea what her personal life looks like. No clue. But in that massive gap of knowledge, you copy-paste an image of her sucking 100 dicks. That comes from (you), from your own mind, from the images you project onto the back of your eyelids when you ruminate in thought.
Do you have the slightest idea how illogical and detached from reality this all sounds?

>>32573507
>>32573512
Yeah bro we know she wasn't knitting lmao

>>32573607
If you actually believe the average woman is fucking hundreds/thousands of men then you're simply retarded.

>>32573670
I believe anon was being hyperbolic

Do you have autismus maximus?

>>32573670
hundreds? Probably not. 30-40? Probably, at least. My first GF had 16 partners before getting with me and she was 18. So in the 4 years she was sexually active, she fucked 4 guys a year. Either one night stands or they were incredibly short relationships. When you have that many partners it becomes increasingly difficult to form an emotional bond with a new partner. Sex is suppose to release oxytocin, a chemical that is meant to strengthen an emotional connection with someone. The more you fuck, the less powerful that chemical becomes and the less important it becomes. It's just another tuesday.

I'm in the boat that sex is a bonding experience that is incredibly intimate and should only be shared with someone you trust with your life. It's something special, you learn a lot about your partner through sex. Things that no one else should know. If they have just been fucking around then a lot of people have shared that experience and it's less special.

I could get a lot of sex if I wanted. I'm not the best looking guy but I am charming, I'm very comfortable around women, and I have a very special skill that is very attractive to women. (I'm an artist, one that specializes in painting beautiful women. If I'm interested in a girl, my go to move is to paint them a portrait and tell them how pretty I think the are. I'm extremely good so this is a pretty big compliment when It's done by me).

>>32573258
If you're buying a girlfriend then you're doing it wrong.

>>32573238
Then care. It has no impact on anybody but you.

>>32573263
>I'm dying alone no matter what. I am not going to let some princess take half my shit or fund her poor life decisions in exchange for a performative "relationship"
Great. Die alone. Nobody is particularly interested in talking you out of it.

>>32573734
However, I'm really picky about who I get in relationships with. I've only had 4 girlfriends and each of them lasted years. My first GF was the one that had a lot of sexual partners and it was by far the worst relationship I had ever been in. I didn't know what I was doing or getting myself into and I only found out about her body count a couple years into the relationship. Things made a lot of sense when I found out she was a whore. I had a sneaking suspicion that she was cheating on me so one day I checked her phone and sure enough she was talking about wanting to suck some other guys dick. She hadn't done it yet, but I dumped her right then.

The girl I got with after her was a virgin. She had done other sexual things but never had actual sex. She was mentally ill though and always threatened to kill herself if I didn't do what she wanted. My other two relationships they had both around 4 or 5 partners before me and they were pretty happy relationships. Both of them ended because I had to move because of my job and they didn't want to leave with me so whatever.

I'll never date a girl that has had more than 5 partners now. I need someone on my own wavelength. Sex isn't just "something to do." but an intimate interaction with someone you care deeply about and someone you trust. I never have sex with someone until I know they actually like me and aren't just horny for the night. The added benefit is I get to avoid STDs because getting herpes would fucking suck. My first ex (the whore of course) ended up getting herpes and syphilis after I broke up with her.

>>32565026
>How do I deal with knowing that a girl I'm seeing has had a history with other men?
I fail to understand how that's a problem.
>She still has him tagged deep within her Instagram story highlights, and they were hanging out for at least a year together.
Oh, that's how.
Have her end feelings for previous partners and begin feelings for you (and you alone).

>>32565059
>How do you deal with the fact that she was fucked by other guys?
By not caring because it doesn't affect me and isn't an issue in any way.
I honestly do not understand why you find a problem with it.

>>32573746
>If you're buying a girlfriend then you're doing it wrong.

>makes a car analogy
>I follow up on it
>ackshually women aren't cars

Sir you are no gentleman

>>32573756
>Sir you are no gentleman
I don't know if you're trolling or if you're actually incapable of understanding a simple analogy. Either way, good luck.

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>>32565026
pump and dump her. just move onto new pussy you fag