I finally got over the fact that I'm gay forever, but my attraction to big hairy men, bears, bothers men. I want to be seen as masculine as possible but I know my attraction to men, especially to men like this, makes 99% of people see me as wanting to be the "woman" of a relationship. I'm extremely insecure of this fact to the point I refuse to come out to people because of it. How can I be attracted to men like this and still maintain my image as a regular masculine dude?
>>32592113The key is to remember that none of you fudgepackers are actually masculine. Not even the gross hairy fags you are "attracted" to.
>>32592113By being masculine. This includes not molding your personality in a way that makes other men as comfortable as possible.
>>32592129>The key is to remember that none of you fudgepackers are actually masculine. Not even the gross hairy fags you are "attracted" to.This is a huge cope. You're telling me these dudes who look like they spend their days punching trees and lifting boulders aren't masculine because they want to fuck men? Also what does that image have to do with anything, I'm not the type of person to parade my sexuality.
>>32592159So what? Gorillas can rip you in half, but they are passive docile herbivores. You can literally detect mascunlinuty in toddlers using jungian analytical psychology/cognitive functions. Masculinity is 100% mental and mostly predetermined at birth. Of course someone as far gone as you would not understand that, thinking you can simply dress up in a masculinity costume and be masculine. Absolute cope.
>>32592141>By being masculine. This includes not molding your personality in a way that makes other men as comfortable as possible.I know it's not masculine to be so concerned about my perception, but I can't help it. I don't care about people's view of me in any other regard, just this. I don't know how to fix it, it's so deeply ingrained in me. Even I see other men with my same type as feminine in a way.
>>32592176>Masculinity is 100% mental and mostly predetermined at birth. Of course someone as far gone as you would not understand that, thinking you can simply dress up in a masculinity costume and be masculine. Absolute cope.Obviously masculinity isn't just appearing as such, but the idea that it's predetermined at birth is hilariously wrong. What is your definition of masculinity? And why does being gay immediately exclude me from it?
>>32592208>idea that it's predetermined at birth is hilariously wrong.Yet you have done zero research on that, so you may shut the fuck up for all eternity.>What is your definition of masculinity? A man who protects and provides as a respected leader of his family is masculine. None of which you can do if you are engaging in sterile hedonistic male on male butt fucking.>And why does being gay immediately exclude me from it?You have no one to protect. You have no one to provide for. You cannot reproduce. You have no stake in the future. You barely have any stake in the present. You have removed yourself from the genepool which is the most feminine thing a man can do (voluntarily). You can only achieve true masculinity by parterning with true femininity (which has to be a woman, sorry fag). There is nothing masculine about you. Your hedonistic lifestyle indicates peter pan syndrome right off the bat. Failure to launch. You are literally the equivalent of a bird flung out of it's nest who falls to it's death because it never learned to spread it's wings. You will never be a man. You will always be a boy. Your insecurity tells you this, which is why you made this thread, yet you cope and ignore this instinct.
>>32592315>A man who protects and provides as a respected leader of his family is masculine. None of which you can do if you are engaging in sterile hedonistic male on male butt fucking.Why not? Because I can't reproduce? By that logic infertile men are also barred from masculinity. Ignoring that, your definition doesn't align with most, I don't believe masculinity is specifically related to caring for a family.>You have no one to protect. You have no one to provide for. You cannot reproduce. You have no stake in the future. You barely have any stake in the present. You have removed yourself from the genepool which is the most feminine thing a man can do (voluntarily). You can only achieve true masculinity by parterning with true femininity (which has to be a woman, sorry fag). There is nothing masculine about you. Your hedonistic lifestyle indicates peter pan syndrome right off the bat. Failure to launch. You are literally the equivalent of a bird flung out of it's nest who falls to it's death because it never learned to spread it's wings. You will never be a man. You will always be a boy. Your insecurity tells you this, which is why you made this thread, yet you cope and ignore this instinct.Another implication that I can't have a family just because I can't reproduce. Your definition of masculinity also says that any single man can't truly be masculine because I guess you need a woman to do so. My insecurity is not related to some weird desire to reproduce, it's the image of being another, likely more masculine man's partner. Your ideology revolves around the idea of reproducing and having a family but lots of straight men don't desire those things either.
>>32592315OP is gay but you're a faggot.
>>32592315So true dude, I hate fagsWhat do you call a man that is obsessed with another mans cock and what he does with it?
>>32592464>Why not? Because I can't reproduce? By that logic infertile men are also barred from masculinity.Yes. That is literally nature telling you that you are too inferior to reproduce.>Another implication that I can't have a family just because I can't reproduce. It's not an implication, faggot, that is what I am saying. That is the truth.>Your definition of masculinity also says that any single man can't truly be masculine because I guess you need a woman to do so.That was my definition of what a masculine man is. The more one aspires to be that, the more masculine they are. Since you aspire to be the opposite, that makes you a feminine/weak/defective man.>Your ideology revolves around the idea of reproducing and having a family but lots of straight men don't desire those things either.I don't have respect for them either, so I don't get your point. I guess they would deserve slightly more respect because atleast they aren't sticking their penis into a mans poopy hairy disease ridden asshole.
>>32592159Yes you brainrott redditor. That's exactly right. Homosexuality is a choice. It's a sexual fetish gone wild. Being unable to control yourself is the opposite of masculinity. The correct and right thing to do is for you to pair up with a woman and have family. Anything else is unnatural in nature.
>>32592536NTA but you thought you're being witty and you are actually a cringe pseudo intellectual>hurr durr he hates us so he must secretly love usCope more faggot. Burn in hell, abomination
>>32592113Anon, are you yourself not a buff bearish man? Unless you're flabby or a twink I don't see why you'd look any less "manly" than your boyfriend to a random passerby.
>>32592642> That was my definition of what a masculine man is. The more one aspires to be that, the more masculine they are. Since you aspire to be the opposite, that makes you a feminine/weak/defective man.I don't agree with your definitions so your point is mute. > I don't have respect for them either, so I don't get your point. I guess they would deserve slightly more respect because atleast they aren't sticking their penis into a mans poopy hairy disease ridden asshole.Not really into anal, so all good man
>>32592678>Yes you brainrott redditor. That's exactly right. Homosexuality is a choice. It's a sexual fetish gone wild. Being unable to control yourself is the opposite of masculinity. The correct and right thing to do is for you to pair up with a woman and have family. Anything else is unnatural in nature.It is definitely not a choice. I spent years denying my sexuality because I hated the idea of being gay so much. I tried to watch straight porn but I'm disgusted by women's bodies. Even now, if I could, I'd turn straight. So the "correct" thing isn't an option for me.
>>32593181Then you disagree with nature. Funny how everyone has the same understanding of social darwinism when it comes to the animal kingdom, survival of the fittest, natural selection, etc. But it all goes out the window when you apply it to humans>But muh disagree thoYeah yeah shut the fuck up faggot. You are a genetic dead end and a failed male. Enjoy your rectal incontinence and anal cancer.
>>32593193>watching more jewish porn to cure myself of faggotry caused by other jewish pornNo wonder you are a lost cause lmao. Maybe try not being a coombrain next time. Holy shit. The lack of self awareness is insane.
>>32593181>I don't agree with your definitions so your point is muteWhat was the point of you asking for his definition then? Just saying you disagree with no elaboration is not an argumennt either. Are you retarded?
>>32593234> Then you disagree with nature. Funny how everyone has the same understanding of social darwinism when it comes to the animal kingdom, survival of the fittest, natural selection, etc. But it all goes out the window when you apply it to humansWhy are we comparing humans to animals on the subject of masculinity? Masculinity is a human construct and applies solely to humans. You seem to believe only men with the desire to reproduce can be masculine, but like I said, I don't agree. Masculinity is a much broader set of attributes.> Yeah yeah shut the fuck up faggot. You are a genetic dead end and a failed male. Enjoy your rectal incontinence and anal cancer.Fuck off, you're brainwashed if you think anal sex causes that.
>>32593240>No wonder you are a lost cause lmao. Maybe try not being a coombrain next time. Holy shit. The lack of self awareness is insane.You said my sexuality was caused by porn, but I have never in my life been attracted to women. I'm not one of those guys who got addicted to femboy shit and eventually became gay, I was always attracted to men.
>>32593253>What was the point of you asking for his definition then? Just saying you disagree with no elaboration is not an argumennt either. Are you retarded?Okay, I'll explain why I disagree in more detail. I already mentioned how his definition means single and infertile men cannot be masculine. Also, the traits of a masculine man has nothing to do with the urge to procreate or serve a family. My definition of masculinity is having traits and attributes associated with men, like self-sacrifice or tact. But even then, this is all largely irrelevant as when I referred to "masculine" men in my original post, it was referring mostly to their appearance, not their behavior. So we're arguing over something that isn't even related to my post.
This is gay
>>32593496Masculinity and femininity exist in nature dipshit. The reason it's relevant is because weak males tend not to reproduce across all species. Jesus christ you might actually be braindead.
>>32593505"Straight" porn conditions you to be gay because you are literally the cuck POV watching from the camera as if you were a third wheel getting off on another man fuck in front of you. This is psychologically damaging for obvious reasons. Even lesbian porn induces homosexuality and transgenderism in men due to the conditioning of autogynophiia. Maybe you should do a little more research instead of relying on surface level observations and ignorant kneejerk reactions.
>>32593530You let men fuck you in your shithole. You don't get to define masculinity fucktard.
>>32593597>Masculinity and femininity exist in nature dipshit. The reason it's relevant is because weak males tend not to reproduce across all species. Jesus christ you might actually be braindead.??? Masculinity and femininity do not exist in nature. You're conflating masculinity with the desire of animals to find the most capable mates, which is laughably stupid. No female animal is choosing their mating partner based on how "masculine" they are.
>>32593612>"Straight" porn conditions you to be gay because you are literally the cuck POV watching from the camera as if you were a third wheel getting off on another man fuck in front of you. This is psychologically damaging for obvious reasons. Even lesbian porn induces homosexuality and transgenderism in men due to the conditioning of autogynophiia. Maybe you should do a little more research instead of relying on surface level observations and ignorant kneejerk reactions.This is pathetic nofap nonsense, I have never once in my life been attracted to women or straight porn. So I was not conditioned, just always have been attracted to men. But that doesn't fit well with your idea that porn is some soul destroying thing.
>>32593614>You let men fuck you in your shithole. You don't get to define masculinity fucktard.I'm not really into anal, I'd rather suck a guy's dick. But even then, how does that mean I can't define masculinity? I'm still a man.
lmao based
>>32592113>>>/lgbt/
>>32593655>No female animal is choosing their mating partner based on how "masculine" they are.They are, retard.
>>32593505It's not a sexuality, it's a fetish. In order to have "sex" a penis must enter a vagina, since that isn't happening, you are just mutually masturbating with men's mouths and shitholes.
>>32592113The cliche bull/twink pairring is just that - a cliche. Go to any leather bar and you'll see very macho guys pairing off with other very macho guys.
>None of you fags recommended taking up Roman Greco wrestlingI'm so disappointed in all of you.
>>32594461>It's not a sexuality, it's a fetish. In order to have "sex" a penis must enter a vagina, since that isn't happening, you are just mutually masturbating with men's mouths and shitholes.Completely wrong, sex between two men is still sex. You can choose not to like my faggotry, but doesn't change that fact.
>>32594470>The cliche bull/twink pairring is just that - a cliche. Go to any leather bar and you'll see very macho guys pairing off with other very macho guys.I've been working out in the hopes of becoming bigger and similar to the men I'm into, but I still can't help but feel like I'd always be smaller or seen as the "woman." I'm extremely insecure about being with a man like that.
>>32595144>Completely wrong, sex between two men is still sex.Not an argument, dickbreath.
>>32595144>sticking your dick into just any orfice is somehow considered "sex" even though it has nothing to do with reproductionWew lad.So if I put my cock in your bellybutton is that sex too?
>>32595551>Not an argument, dickbreath.Do I really have to argue against that? Just search up the definition of sex.
>>32595190Then just don't see yourself as the "woman"? Problem solved. You're gay, you don't need to think about women or heterosexual dynamics at all. Maybe read up on manly gays to feel better. I personally really relate to Yukio Mishima.
>>32595558>So if I put my cock in your bellybutton is that sex too?If I was into that, yeah. I have a feeling you're not as strict about what sex is when it's straight oral or anal sex
>>32596047>Then just don't see yourself as the "woman"? Problem solved. You're gay, you don't need to think about women or heterosexual dynamics at all.You're right, heterosexual dynamics have no bearing on me, but I can't simply not see it as that. I know that society will assign those dynamics to gay relationships, and it makes me extremely paranoid and self-conscious. I avoid doing anything that can be perceived as feminine or emasculating.>Maybe read up on manly gays to feel better. I personally really relate to Yukio Mishima.I will, thank you for the suggestion.
>>32596095Sex requires a penis and a vagina. Marriage requires a man and a woman. Your faggoty immitations are a crude substitute, driven by desperation to be seen as equal to straight normal people. You will never be equal. Poopy butt "sex" is not the real thing. The anus is not a sex organ. You will die alone, wearing diapers and leaking out of your asshole. All of this is a good thing because the amount of open faggotry in society will eventually remove themselves from the gene pool. The only downside is that we have to suffer your presence until the vast majority of you die off.
>>32592113did you got diddled or do you have a bunch of older brothers?
>>>/lgbt/
>>32596210>I avoid doing anything that can be perceived as feminine or emasculating.Except for sucking a mans cock. Gee I wonder why you have cognitive dissonance. LMAO
>>32596218>did you got diddled or do you have a bunch of older brothers?One older brother, never got diddled. I did have sex with an older man at 16, but that was through my decision.
>>32596232>Except for sucking a mans cock. Gee I wonder why you have cognitive dissonance. LMAOThat's why I'm trying to figure out how to cope with it. I don't want to be perceived as feminine for these desires I can't control.
>>32596570>sex with an older man at 16sorry dude, no matter how you rationalized it...but yeah the more older brothers the more likelythanks for the reply i was just curiousbut yeah so far it's always one, the other, or both
>>32592315>You have no one to protect. You have no one to provide for. You cannot reproduce. You have no stake in the future. You barely have any stake in the present. You have removed yourself from the genepool which is the most feminine thing a man can do (voluntarily). You can only achieve true masculinity by parterning with true femininity (which has to be a woman, sorry fag). There is nothing masculine about you. Your hedonistic lifestyle indicates peter pan syndrome right off the bat. Failure to launch. You are literally the equivalent of a bird flung out of it's nest who falls to it's death because it never learned to spread it's wings. You will never be a man. You will always be a boy. Your insecurity tells you this, which is why you made this thread, yet you cope and ignore this instinct.Aging bisexual bottom here. I needed to hear that. Beautifully put. The reason why Christianity condemns homosexuality and why we will go to hell for it is because it is an abomination against nature and is damaging to our masculinity. I see that now. It's good to learn that normal people see that, too. They must feel revulsion by us - same as with trannies, but to a lesser degree. I cannot resent you for calling us gay slurs - this expression of hate is righteous and warranted. It is a path we chose, and it's only appropriate to remind us of the price we pay. Homophobia will never die because it's a natural reaction.>>32592464>Your definition of masculinity also says that any single man can't truly be masculine because I guess you need a woman to do so.That's right. Only through attaining female validation can a male become a man. It is life's sole purpose and everything else in this life is derived from that.
>>32596699>sorry dude, no matter how you rationalized it...I don't think my situation is the same as a little kid getting abused. I fully consented and wanted to meet up with him.
>>32596758>That's right. Only through attaining female validation can a male become a man. It is life's sole purpose and everything else in this life is derived from that.If it's life's sole purpose why are there plenty of people content not doing so? What is different that a woman could provide me that I wouldn't get from a man?
>>32592690Don't get mad at me just because you are obsessed with OP's penis
>>32592113just be like Werewolf Jones minus all of the morally questionable shit
>>32592129Picrel made me megakek
>>32592176Nta but>100% mental and mostly predetermined at birthShould almost never be in the same sentence.
>>32592113>still maintain my image as a regular masculine dude?Sounds like you still have internalized homophobia.But the short answer is be as "masculine" as men you are attracted to.
>>32594442[citation needed]
This is probably the biggest reason why gays don't commit to relationships. But I think OP you can tell your partner that you are struggling with this, when you love someone enough maybe the solutions come that way? Also what's bad with being a woman of the relaitonship?
>>32597911>But the short answer is be as "masculine" as men you are attracted to.You're right. I just want to be as big and masculine as possible so I can be seen as their equal.
I guess the only fags that could be masculine are the sick psychotic predator type.
>>32597897Not an argument.
>>32597919National Geographic.
>>32592113aren't bears dating other bears a thing?I think I've seen that somewhere
>>32598009>Also what's bad with being a woman of the relationship?I'm a man, I want to be seen as a man. I have no feminine interests or desire to be feminine. It's fine if other men do those things, but it's not what I want.
>>32592176you say this and then say trannies arent real
>>32600308Mentally ill men with AGP/Exhibitionism exist, yes, but their existence should be confined to a mental hospital.
>>32600308Feminine men are not women, they are just feminine men. The entire planet for all of recorded history knew this before you faggots started foaming at the mouth to the contrary 8 years ago. Get fucked.
>>32596213I'm a top, so that's not going to happen. Also you're an incel, which makes it really rich that you're getting off talking about shit filled diapers to try and "own" fags.
>>32600418No, poopdick, what's "rich" is dressing yourself up as a "rainbow" when your lifestyle is anything but sunshine and rainbows. It's digusting, unhygenic, poopy, disease ridden and you should all be hanging from lamp posts, which is likely going to happen in our lifetime, as people are getting sick of you poop eating, cross dressing demons grooming kids. The reason you are hated is because people care about their children and want to keep them away from you. That's not exactly incel behavior, retard. I would tell you to eat shit, but you would probably enjoy that. Cobain yourself.
>>32600452>No, poopdick,What's your obsession with feces? Do you have a scat fetish? My bottoms clean themselves before we fuck, retard.>what's "rich" is dressing yourself up as a "rainbow" when your lifestyle is anything but sunshine and rainbows.I don't do that.>It's digusting, unhygenic, poopy, disease ridden and you should all be hanging from lamp posts, which is likely going to happen in our lifetime, as people are getting sick of you poop eating, cross dressing demons grooming kids.Again it's telling your chud mind immediately goes to shit, diseased anuses, and pedophilia. Says a lot about you.>The reason you are hated is because people care about their children and want to keep them away from you. Projection much? >That's not exactly incel behavior, retard. People are literally telling you to stay far, FAR from their children.>I would tell you to eat shit, but you would probably enjoy that. 3rd time talking about feces in this post. You clearly enjoy eating fecal matter.>Cobain yourself.I don't have a girlfriend, so I don't need to worry about that.
>>32600474Didn't read. Put a bullet in your head faggot.
>>32600478At least you managed to refrain from talking about how much you love shit for 1 post.
>>32600478>>32600452I think you should try being with a guy once or twice. Something tells me you'd really love it.
>>32600481Said the subhuman with another man's poop particles on him as we speak.
>>32600489>just try eating shit you'l love itNo thanks, now go change your diaper, leakybutt faggot.
>>32600497>>32600491>>32600474>>32600452>>32596213>>32594461>>32593614Notice how many posts you've made talking about "shit" and "eating poop" when no one else is even thinking that. This suggests one of two possibilities:1. You have a serious mental preoccupation with shit2. You desperately want to have gay sex, but feel shame about it so you try to associate it with shit as much as possible to convince yourself that it's gross, and not the thing you've desperately wanted your entire adult life.Which is it, anon?
>>32600514Your idea of "sex", mr poopy pants, is literally defined by using a man's poopy rectum. This is literally what defines your poop centered identity. Faggots are like vegans, they can't shut up about it. You don't get blame shift your poopyness just because you're mad someone is finally calling you fudgepackers out for how truly disgusting you are.
>>32600545Okay so I'm going to go with 1 AND 2.
>>32600551
>>32600555You're way past normal homophobia, my dude. I really hope you come out of the closet. I used to be like you, and honestly some days I still hate myself for being gay. But life is so much more beautiful when you start to take those steps to self acceptance. Might want to get treatment for the fecal fetish, though. :o
>>32600577>You're way past normal homophobia, my dudeSeethe more about it.
