>god

>>32593800
You can read, nice

>>32593792
Catholic here as well.
I won’t doubt your faith, not my place. I am not God. All I can remind you is about how contriteness works.

You sin + you don’t want to stop + you know it’s wrong + you feel no guilt = you are not contrite. Don’t bother confessing, you can’t fool God. Yes, you will go to Hell if you continue to choose it.

You sin + you don’t want to stop + you don’t know it’s wrong OR you do, but you feel guilt = confession is now viable. Keep going, God has mercy.

It’s about whether you know its wrong and/or feel guilt. You confess and sin no more. If you fail again, try again. Even if you keep trying and failing until death, God finds it beautiful and respectable, He counts the struggle and the intention first. The moment you stop caring to try and stop feeling sorrow or sincerity, that’s when you’re damned.

Hell is also a place you can experience right now, today, while living. In your mind and heart. You become soulless, living dead, feel complete and utter emptiness, a void. That’s a sneak peek at hell. If you choose that all the way till death, God in His love and mercy will respect your choice, He gives you what you wanted, Hell.

Hell is a choice brother. So, don’t choose it.

>>32593857
nta but well said

>>32593857
not op either but you're a good dude

>>32593906
>>32593957
Thanks. I can only try to be a good dude. Even I fail. I failed recently too, and succumbed again to porn. Knew it was wrong too, even at the time of sin, chose it anyway. I could even suppress the guilt enough too, so from the outside i had knowledge of the sin, chose it, almost felt no guilt. Then by the time confession drew near, guilt erupted and I couldn’t help but confess. Sometimes you can be fooled by yourself you are damned when you’re not.

Point is, you’re good dudes too, OP is a good man too. He’s made in God’s image, just like us all. It’s just sometimes life likes to take a bucket of oil and throw it over that image, obscures it, then we forget what we truly are and who we are meant to be, that’s all. God bless you all

>>32593792
>I don't see why my sins are wrong and will keep doing them

I have no idea in what way you identify yourself as Christian

>>32593792
>devout
a devout Catholic would be terrified of mortal sin and wouldn't even wait until Friday, he would bang on the rectory door until he got confession after the first time

>>32594295
You’d be surprised. Sin is effective against everyone, Catholic or otherwise. Satan and his legion are like spiders. Their bites you can barely feel, some of them even induce intense pleasure. But overtime, without knowing, necrosis sets in, you start to wither and rot, you don’t know it as it happens, before long, you go numb, you become paralyzed in spirit. Then the serpahic worm, Satan, slithers closer and poises himself to finish the job to see to your self-destruction.

No one is immune to this, not even devout catholics. Only Christ prevailed. That’s why we have to imitate Him to stand a chance.

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the dog that weeps after it kills is no better than the dog that doesn't

my guilt will not purify me.

>>32594359
>my guilt will not purify me
Yuh. Neither will mine for me. Takes the blood of God Himself to purify it. That will require letting go of your self-salvation, and to challenge pride. Take a guess which sin Satan is the herald of? That isn’t to call you a devil, or anyone. But just to say it’s the final boss of sin. Hardest one of all, especially for us men.

>>32593792
if you have paid them for their service and treated them decently and they are grown independent women who make their own decisions and you haven't cheated on some wife or girlfriend you had during that time (or knowingly caused those hookers to cheat on some spouse who wouldn't agree with their profession) then you have done nothing too bad with that.
sure, lust is a vice, and unchecked it can lead to ruin. and it's the cause for most evil in the world. but if it's controlled and civilized then it can be okay.
>still a devout Catholic
i would call that "retarded".
nothing against jesus. but catholics (and most church christians) are stupid.

>>32593792
According to your own religion, you're going to hell unless you repent, confess and change your ways.

>>32594452
>if it's controlled and civilized then it can be okay
You don't know anything about Christianity.

>>32594335 (me)
>catholics are stupid

and that's the reason why:
>>32594445
such hypocrisy: "nah, it's not good to strive for moral purity. that's a mortal sin."
jesus didn't die for your sins. that's a convenient excuse for all you hypocrites lying to yourselves in such twisted ways.

>>32594465
i know about reality. that's good enough for me.

>>32594466
>>32594335 (me)
>catholics are stupid
sry, wrong post marked as (me), which wasn't from me.
i meant this one: >>32594452 (me)

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>>32594472
>i know about reality. that's good enough for me.

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>>32594472
>i know about reality.

>>32594466
>such hypocrisy: "nah, it's not good to strive for moral purity. that's a mortal sin."
You can and should strive. Striving =/= pride

>jesus didn't die for your sins.
Yes He did.

>that's a convenient excuse for all you hypocrites lying to yourselves in such twisted ways.
No, it’s the main reason to keep striving.

Again, striving =/= pride. Pride is lying to yourself that you can reach perfection. Severe pride is lying to yourself that you have obtained perfection. Pride is where you proclain yourself as adjacent to God, and to judge on behalf of God. I am sure you have seen it before. ‘Holier-than-thou’, men who are just as weak as the other man, but fakes strength and condemns the weak. That is pride.

The hypocrisy is not about striving, the hypocrisy is pretending you can do it alone. You can’t, none of us can. We need God.

>>32594542
some healthy sense of pride ("i am better than this. i don't want to live in the gutter.") is necessary for striving. conceit is what you give up last, not first. you need it to reach the goal.

>>32594555
>some healthy sense of pride ("i am better than this. i don't want to live in the gutter.") is necessary for striving.
A good point. I would not call this pride though. It would depend on the ‘I am better than this’ part. What measurement are we using? What does ‘better’ look like? Which blueprint are we using to reach ‘better’? What or who is this blueprint modeled after? If we use ourselves, or our idealised self as the blueprint, we will fail. Going in circles. If we use Christ as the blueprint, and we fashion ourselves to be like Christ as much as we can, understanding we will never 100% get there, but trying anyway, then we will limitlessly ascend, slowly. No more running on circles, just a straight and narrow line, made of thorns and barbs, but sure as anything, leads to peace and prosperity.

You can try to be better using yourself as the blueprint, try as much as you like. It’s a dead-end. Same applies to everyone. That is why the world is as it is.

>>32594582
true. you need a role model who is actually better than you to become better, but you also need the belief that it's possible to lift yourself up to that level.

>>32594648
>but you also need the belief that it's possible to lift yourself up to that level.
Agreed. And belief I surely lacked before my faith. I was a lifetime atheist. No belief in anything, not even my own life. To ask myself to conjure belief was akin to asking a rock to produce water. Couldn’t be done. Unless it was given to me. And it was, from God. That’s what I know.

Do you have belief? Not neccessarily of God, but of anything to convince you that lifting yourself is not only possible, but is inevitable?

>>32594664
i'm a buddhist. so i believe it is possible to purify the mind of all greed, hatred, delusion, ignorance and consequently suffering, to then never be reborn again.
but i'm not sure it is inevitable. the buddha was silent in response to the question of whether it is inevitable. even if it is inevitable it could take arbitrarily long time. and being born as a human with sufficient understanding is rare, so one should make an effort. jesus is surely a good role model.

>>32595716
Nice. I respect buddhists as a disciple of Christ myself. The parallels between our teachings are interesting to count. For example:

>i believe it is possible to purify the mind of all greed, hatred, delusion, ignorance and consequently suffering, to then never be reborn again.
We believe it possible too. In fact, we know it. We can even experience it now. What we undergo is the process of ‘dying to our self’. That means, our worldly self is killed and slain, until we become empty. And then we are called to wear our new self, the one that God created for us, to be like Christ. He is that new self. And so, we end up shoulder to shoulder with the Buddhist on two points:

We also seek detachment from worldly things.
And we also seek to kill our worldly self.

Where we differ is we see suffering as vital for ourselves, we accept it readily as a ‘cross’. We understand that suffering is the core ingredient of wisdom. Wisdom is calcified suffering. And also, we seek rebirth, but it is one final rebirth, to become like God through the self of Christ.
‘Theosis’ - That God became man, so that man can become like God.

What are your favorite parts of Buddhism?

>>32593987
I have told God in my prayers porn and masturbation is the one sin I will not be able to knock. He hasnt said anything back to me, but I hope we cool. I dont cheat I dont sleep around and i only watch porn maybe twice a month now, I try to stay pure for love and have all my life but it seems love isnt out there in this satanic world so porn's all I got, and though i hate sluts, the paper's already made no sense putting the whores back on the tree. Cutting it out entirely to have absolutely no release and fun seems crazy, and im pretty sure lust only applies to infidelity and adultery, although some interpret it as sex before marriage, or even looking at and fantasizing about hot women without even acting on it. I cannot take it that far. And then theres the whole "Jesus died for our sins so now sins are forgiven" but that excuses a ton of really bad people

And I do feel uneasy about getting a hooker one day just to experience sex at all, but i dont think its a sin on its own. What say you?

>>32595743
Yes, the core principles are very similar and encourage similar morals. I also have much respect for Christians who try to embody and cultivate Christ-like moral qualities.
>What are your favorite parts of Buddhism?
I think what I love most about is the whole, because the teachings are so systematic, with neat lists and enumerations of concepts laid down in a soberly fashion and repeated over and over again in countless variations for memorization and systematic contemplation.
But this one thing you mentioned in particular has an interesting parallel which is one of my favourites:
>We understand that suffering is the core ingredient of wisdom. Wisdom is calcified suffering.
In Buddhism there is the concept of paṭiccasamuppāda, usually translated as "dependent origination" or "dependent arising", which aims to explain the causal chain by which all life or living experience sustains itself and repeats itself over and over again through craving and rebecoming. It is pretty abstract and hard to grasp what all the details really mean. The causal chain/cycle starts with ignorance, which leads to various mental impulses and developments, and ends with birth, aging, sickness, death and despair (commonly subsumed as dukkha, or "suffering").
The Buddha usually explains it from the end like this: The cause for aging, sickness and death is birth. The cause for birth is ... etc. ..., going back the chain of prerequisites, arriving at ignorance as the ultimate cause which clouds every living being's mind from an inconstruable beginning.

But there are few suttas where the Buddha explains a longer causal chain, ending not in aging, death and despair (to repeat the cycle from there), but in "the knowledge of ending", which is the culmination of enlightenment.
The continuation of the usual chain here goes like this:
1. Dukkha/Suffering leads to saddha (faith / conviction / confidence) in the path leading out of this mess.
... (post too long, to be continued)

I’m not a very religious person, not exactly an atheist, just a “don’t know what’s real and what’s not, I’ll just do whatever feels right and let whatever happens happen” but how in the almighty fuck do you consider this not a sin?

Ty

>>32595970
... then goes on in different variations (different Pali suttas or, Chinese agamas, etc., but likely all originating from the same source that was orally trasmitted differently here and there)
joy -> concentration -> rapture ... -> knowledge and vision ... -> the knowledge of ending
or ... shame and scruple -> mindful awareness -> ... -> the knowledge of ending
The lists and causal chains in different sources are a bit different. But generally: Suffering is a prerequisite for seeking the way out of it and developing all the good qualities to arrive at the goal of enlightenment.

Thanks for the opportunity to talk about and remember these good teachings which I should try to understand more.

Another favourite, because it is just intriguing and I cannot really understand it:
> "And how is one developed in body and developed in mind? There is the case where a pleasant feeling arises in a well-educated disciple of the noble ones. On being touched by the pleasant feeling, he doesn't become impassioned with pleasure, and is not reduced to being impassioned with pleasure. His pleasant feeling ceases. With the cessation of the pleasant feeling there arises a painful feeling. On being touched with the painful feeling, he doesn't sorrow, grieve, or lament, beat his breast or becomes distraught. When that pleasant feeling had arisen in him, it didn't invade his mind and remain because of his development of the body. When that painful feeling had arisen in him, it didn't invade his mind and remain because of his development of the mind. This is how one is developed in body and developed in mind."
So, in short:
- tolerant to pain = "developed in mind"
- tolerant to pleasure = "developed in body"

I don't understand why. Why is one more related to the body, called "developed in body", and the other one more related to the mind, called "developed in mind"?
I've asked many knowledgeable Buddhists and not found an answer.
Sry for off-topic. If you have an idea, tell me.

>>32595780
>pretty sure lust only applies to infidelity and adultery
Sorry dude, but this is motivated reasoning. Adultery is the worst kind of lust, but any sex outside of marriage 'counts'. Prostitution is worse than most kinds of fornication. And while you're not physically present for the main immoral act in porn, you're still viewing it and indirectly fueling it (like the difference between being an actual psychopath committing crimes versus being a 4chan weirdo who watches gore videos). The most defensible thing, while still immoral to some extent, would be 2D without any perverted fetishes.

i remember when bait was good
>inb4 bait was never good

>>32593792
>christfaggotry
>worshipping a jew
YWNBS

>>32596068
>If you have an idea, tell me.
Sure. My rough interpretation is I assume when it speaks lf the body, it brings up pleasure. We associate pleasure with the body. In Christianity, we call it the love of the flesh; the hedonic craving with food, with physical trinkets, with sex, all things we put into our body, or, use our body for the goal of pleasure.

Then there’s sorrow, grief and lamentation mentioned in your greentext. That is of the mind. Things like despair, helplessness, misery, wrath, envy, they all take root in the mind.

So to be tolerant would imply possessing an ability to withstand both, to not personalise either pleasure and body, to avoid exploiting passions, and to become tolerant of mind, so as to not personalise or identify with grief or sorrow, so you aren’t swallowed by it.

I think it’s calling for both to reach a certain indomitable state of spirit.

>>32596156
atheisms cute anon, i remember being 16

>>32596234
Thanks. But feelings, whether pleasant or unpleasant, can be physical or mental in origin.
What is spoken about here is simply "a pleasant feeling" and "a painful feeling", not qualifying further that the pleasant one is supposed to be physical and the painful one mental. But the ability to endure them without going off balance is categorically said to be bodily for one and mental for the other.
I.e. if I can experience the pleasant taste of a good meal without getting greedy for more then that is development in body. But when I stub my toe and can let the pain subside without crying or flinching that is development in mind. This is how I would understand this text. Therefore I still find it puzzling.
But thanks for your interpretation. That's surely one aspect of it. But I think the case where both are physical feelings, as described, or both mental feelings, like elation and despair, should also be covered by it, according to how generally it is phrased.

>>32596072
>no perverted fetishes
oh well i was going to hell since childhood then, with my vore fetish. if thats the case then why not go all in? but i dont think it is

>>32596403
what is even a vore fetish? you eat people, and then what?

>>32596308
>But when I stub my toe and can let the pain subside without crying or flinching that is development in mind.
I would like to think if the buddha stubbed his toe he’d still scream lol. Jesus too for that matter. What specifically puzzles you? It seems to have covered all the buddhist-like suggestions when reading it, the stuff you’d expect:
>when you feel pleasure, don’t get too attached, cuz pain is gonna take its place.
>when you feel pain, don’t feel too despairing, pleasure will take its place.
So on and so on. Whether it’s pleasure in mind, pain in body, or conversely, pain of mind and pleasure of body, same principle at play right?

Wouldn’t this sort of awareness be default anyway, for most people? I’ve always been an ‘observer’ to my own thoughts and feelings, identifying as neither but still experiencing them, just stratospherically detached. That’s how normal consciousness should work right?

>>32596540
thats literally it, usually after they're fucked in some way either by their captor or something. go lookup the works of eskoz, buckethead, laptop456, nyte, or karbo and tell me that does nothing for you. most the fetish is run by furries these days though. yuck.
but even before it became a sexual thing, i still felt something as a kid from watching jurassic park, anaconda, MiB, jaws, even some 90s cartoons and games. used to have some dreams about running from some monster with a group and distracting it away from the others to save them and get eaten myself and thats how i'd escape.
but its only a fantasy in my head and i'd never tell anyone in real life lest they think serial killer cannibal

what was your first hooker like op

>>32593792
God isn't real and neither is hell.

>>32599968
Nor is this thread.

>>32599968
atheism is cringe

>>32593792
how is that a sin tho
also most religions let you apologize on your dying bed and stuff, so I wouldn't worry, unless you wish harm on them by fucking them
anyways why do you keep posting this shit every couple of days.