>Have Autism and ADHD>Can't read or watch literally anything without getting distracted >Have zero passion for any hobby except for jerking off on my phone >Lay around in my bed all day >Feel like sitting in a computer chair for a while is too much for me. >Can't even walk around normally without bumping into things.>even when I'm on stimulants, it only makes me shake too much to do any fine motor skillsI don't want to live like this anymore. How do I make this stop?
Attention span is a skill and can be trained like any other, but similar to a muscle you have to build slowly and consistently
>>32604270I just recently tried putting on headphones and watching some anime that I and I couldn't help but look at my phone. Even sitting in my chair feels like it's too much.
>>32604286Get rid of distractions, and focus only the one thing that you choose it needs to get done. Turn off your phone until you finish, close your internet browser or any other tabs that are not part of what you are doing.
learn to tolerate the pain, it's not going away
>>32604308I try that and I end up just staring at walls doing nothing. I've gone minutes on end just staring at my ceiling unable to get motivated to do anything. My apathy just makes me not even care.
>>32604200take vitamin dstart walking for 30 min a day(gym is better but you sound like a lazy faggot)stop using the internet for 10+ hours a day
>>32604341I've been working out for years and lost a lot of weight. It still didn't give me any more motivation or help me do anyting.
>>32604200Howie is that you?
>>32604341I don't know what to do when I don't have the internet on hand.
>>32604367sit and rot until you feel unbearably bored, that will get you motivated to write or study
>>32604384No, I won't. That's the problem. I don't feel any motivation to do anything, because everything is too hard for me.
>>32604390everything is hard bro and everyone sucks shit
>>32604400I can't make myself do anything is the problem.
>>32604308Even when I get rid of distractions, I end up spacing out while I'm watching and think about other things that make me lose focus.
>>32604407it's the internet dudeit drains your soul and conveniences you that you're dumb, worthless, can't do anything
>>32604426I can't do anything without the internet. Otherwise I just lay around staring at a wall instead of doing anything.
>>32604312So I just give up and not do anything at all?
>>32604454unironically yes, i have adhd and my life got better the minute I said ‘fuck it all’ and decided to truly become the laziest, haughtiest, most arrogant piece of unfocused shit I could be but this time on purpose, with 100% intention. Letting ADHD take over completely.My adhd said ‘no i dont wanna’ and i ended up getting better at going through my day lmao. adhd is a cunt disorder that always does the opposite of what you tell it to do. So tell your adhd you want to go full adhd mode and you want to be lazy no fucks given and it will respond with ‘fuck off, we need to go do something productive right now.’just keep doin that bro.
>>32604463I would like actual advice.
>>32604200>>32604200You should learn to enjoy ordinary chores and routine for themselves, intead of for an ultimate goal. Although having an ultimate goal is important in that it helps you enjoy the routine. People have this conception that the chores and work that you do are just necessary evils to reach an ultimate end goal, which is true happiness or something. Truth is you cant directly pursue happiness. And Id argue its the other way around -- goals are no more than necessary evils that give happiness and meaning to your day to day.This is more of a mentality than anything else and its something you train by the way you look at life and by the way you execute your routine and live day to day.The point of working out is giving you a routine, but if you day you do that and still have all this freetime, Id say you need to fill your day to day with more things to keep you occupied.Another important point is belonging to a social sphere. This has many layers to it, tho tipically you can boil it down to community, close friends and partner. All of them are as important as one another -- bcuz if you lack one or only have/seek one ( which is the case of many anons who seek to fill their lack of community and friends with a partner ) youre gonna put all these expectations and needs the other layers should be filling into a single one and its not gonna work out. Social sphere is crucial to give meaning to your life and make you part of something bigger, make you connected. Discord doesn't count it has to be real life face to face. People who say they dont need live social sphere are completly deluded -- its the most basic human need.
>>32604467That is actual advice. Have you considered that torturing yourself in your own head makes you worse? That trying to use your mind to fix its own mind is fucking absurd and maybe doing nothing and giving yourself peace might actually be helpful?
>>32604200You should learn to enjoy ordinary chores and routine for themselves, intead of for an ultimate goal. Although having an ultimate goal is important in that it helps you enjoy the routine. People have this conception that the chores and work that you do are just necessary evils to reach an ultimate end goal, which is true happiness or something. Truth is you cant directly pursue happiness. And Id argue its the other way around -- goals are no more than necessary evils that give happiness and meaning to your day to day.This is more of a mentality than anything else and its something you train by the way you look at life and by the way you execute your routine and live day to day.The point of working out is giving you a routine, but if you day you do that and still have all this freetime, Id say you need to fill your day to day with more things to keep you occupied.Another important point is belonging to a social sphere. This has many layers to it, tho tipically you can boil it down to community, close friends and partner. All of them are as important as one another -- bcuz if you lack one or only have/seek one ( which is the case of many anons who seek to fill their lack of community and friends with a partner ) youre gonna put all these expectations and needs the other layers should be filling into a single one and its not gonna work out. Social sphere is crucial to give meaning to your life and make you part of something bigger, make you connected. Discord doesn't count it has to be real life face to face. People who say they dont need live social sphere are completly deluded -- its the most basic human need.
>>32604485I do this and I just lay around all day doing nothing. I've been "giving myself peace" for long enough.
>>32604489I don't really enjoy doing anything is the problem. Every hobby feels like work for me and not fun.
>>32604490>Indo this and I just lay around all day doing nothing. I've been "giving myself peace" for long enough.Nah nah nah, that isn’t gonna work on me man, I am the same mental species as you, adhd as fuck. We BOTH know that laying around all day doing nothing = giving yourself peace. Laying down doing nothing = your mind whipped the ever loving shit out of your esteem and your self value nonstop, presumably mentally shitting on your own life. All cuz you noticed yourself doing nothing and felt ashamed or some shit.I am saying maybe try giving yourself permission to do nothing for once and watch what happens.
>>32604500Yeah I've been doing that my whole life. That's the problem. I want to do something other than laying in my bed.
>>32604502ok and now consider that when you mentally abuse the shit out of yourself in thought spirals because you hate yourself for laying down in bed, then maybe your brain won’t wanna listen to you. You treat it like fucking shit, yourself like shit, making an enemy out of yourself.look man all im sayin is, if I was chillin laying in bed and someone walked up to me and went all demonic and shamed and guilted me and tried to make me feel all wicked and useless just for laying down and chilling, I’d tell them to go fuck themselves with a machete.So when you pull that same shit with yourself, your mind is gonna tell you to fuck yourself. Do you understand? You can’t hope to be motivated or enthusiastic about changing routine, if all you do is stamp on your own mind via self criticism before doing that.
>>32604513Okay so then what do I do?
>>32604525Tell yourself in your mind rn in your thoughts:“I give myself permission to do nothing.”“It is okay and it is allowed because I say so.”Go ahead, do that and keep doing it. also while you’re at it say this in your head“I apologise for being a a douchebag to myself, for treating you like a dog and mentally beating you for nothing”.
>>32604454>give upno that is not what I meant. giving up is not an option, it never is
>>32604531I don't want to "do nothing" that's what I've been doing for my whole life. I want to do something.
>>32604531dont listen to this loser, he thinks it's socially acceptable to lose all ambition
>>32604536Ok, and so you shall. But first give yourself permission to do nothing.
>>32604537ambition cannot be maintained 24/7 and anyone who thinks that it can is either immature or genuinely retarded and out of touch with reality. Not a single human emotion lasts forever, not one. They all have expiry dates, they all come and go.And if you try to force it non stop, you cripple your fucking mind and then it cant go anywhere. By allowing yourself to cut yourself some fucking slack and to encourage yourself to take a fucking break, mentally, you can actually do this thing called>”healing”try it. or dont. keep running marathons till your legs break and get mad at yourself cuz your legs broke and keep choosing to run on broken legs and then whine because it doesnt seem to recover. Fuckin madness.
>>32604538Can I have advice on how to actually do something? Because that's what I'm looking for.
>>32604547sounds good but the reverse truth is that things are easier if you are already doing them or if you are used to doing them, which is an essential thing to keep in mind whenever trying to responsibly manage your motivation
>>32604200>can't without getting distracted 37 fag with adhd, with father with adhd.Just throwing this out there, before phones we could pay attention to things. We had trouble regulating what, usually had to do some extreme distraction control, but we could always focus on passions and interests no matter how monotonous it seemed to others.I don't wanna get too in depth on much here, family just got home and I gotta head off, but:I know it's hard to realize this being born with ADHD in the age of unlimited distractions, but, don't get confused and thinking adhd means "can't pay attention to anything". It doesn't mean that, it never did mean that, and I fear younger generations born with iPads/too much internet may forget this entirely and think they can't focus on anything.Your problem isn't ADHD. If you do indeed have it, I'm sure it isn't helping, but, strongly consider giving up your phone ans getting other shit to do other than a computer/console whatever.
>>32604586When I try giving up my phone and computer I just laze around all day doing nothing.
>>32604594Ok but that's a start dude.. you understand that, right? Like it's still a step in the right direction. You have to have other shit to do, get into some chores, walks, books etc.. but of course you're gonna do nothing. You don't know how to do anything else.It wasn't a magic wand that was gonna fix you overnight, but it's a start to a larger puzzle.
>>32604600I don't have anything else to do. Even my 3 hour part time shift at a job makes me feel tired afterwards. I barely even care.
>>32604611>comes for advice>is nothing but excuses Welp, fuck you then.Die waiting for someone to cast a magical spell on you thay make all your problems evaporate with zero work or effort.You are the worst fucking kind of person for being like this. And I'm saying this to try and get some sense into your brain, hut you're utterly unhelpable and your life will never change if it's gonna be nothing but "but.. but.. but.." out of you.
>>32604623I'm literally incapable of doing things because of my ADHD. It's not an excuse.
>>32604631What he's trying to say, is that we all have ADHD. Now to be frank with you I don't know if ADHD is real or not but reading through the list of symptoms it sounds like something that I very much have, and that I am pretty sure everyone has.
>>32604655But I can't learn or make myself do anything is the problem.
>>32604684I understand how you feel. How many times in my life have I felt that, I CAN'T do anything. The worst thing is that this feels like an unchangeable truth for as long as you don't do *the thing*. Unfortunately, this is not something I can teach you. Willpower is - cliche cliche - like a muscle. But unironically. Stop doing what you feel like doing, start doing what you think you should be doing.
>>32604631>>32604684Thats not ADHD. You wouldnt be able to stop yourself from doing things if you had ADHD
>>32604734I have a learning disability on top of this.
>>32604655No that isn't what I'm saying. Don't put words in my mouth. >>32604631Ok so anon back to the top of my entire ficking presentation to you...I have ADHD as well. Legit, diagnosed, adhd, wrecked my school life, all that.You are on an extreme that is way divorced from adhd. This is because of our current hyper distractive environment. I did not grow up with this. You did. I offer sympathy about this.However, you have confused the extreme essence of your issue which is more likely stemming from poor life management, addictive media, and an extreme lack of knowledge of what to do with your time with adhd. Adhd is not this extreme. There are other problems you need to address.>I'm not making excusesYes you are, because you asked for advice, and no matter what anyone says you snap back with whining about how you can't do that for this dumb reason or another. These are excuses.Your life will never change until you realize that.
>>32604768Okay so then what do I do?
>>32604775Stop making excuses
>>32604775Eliminate distractions, find shit to do with your time.I can't do everything for you anon. You kinda gotta figure some of this out yourself. I'm just here to tell you, no adhd doesn't make it literally impossible to focus on everything. Your electronics did that. Eliminate them, and finding out what else to do with your time is entirely up to you.No one's coming to save you. Figure it out, or life another 50 years exactly as you are now and die.
>>32604775Quit lying to yourself Howie.
>>32604775you should stop making 4chan posts at least
>>32604775You should fucking hang yourself on your closet door with a vacuum cord
>>32604684>>32604753>>32604775how are you able to just make 4chan posts then?? save what lottle energy u have and do something else. ur just saying the same thing over and over and over
>>32604775Make another thread because it's clearly working for you :)
>>32604792I try eliminating distractions and I only sit around doing nothing. There's nothing that actually motivates me to do anything. That's the thing about ADHD. It makes you have a lower resting dopamine level than everyone else. Nothing can fix this other than medicine, but no medicine seems to work for me.
>>32604808Because they give me dopamine. Nothing else does.
I've been in your situation before, and have been actively improving my attention span, I went from having to doomscroll every few minute to being able to actually sit down and read a book for hours.First, forget about adhd, don't be a retard who goes "waaa I have adhd I can never pay attention to anything" it definitely makes it harder, but you'll still be able to pay attention to shit. Get rid of social media immediately, I think that people with adhd especially become victims to the attention-span destroying shit like doomscrolling because of the quick stimulation, which only makes their adhd worse. This includes 4chan, doomscrolling through posts and waiting for that dopamine hit from replies is as bad as doomscrolling through something like tiktok or twitter.Start small, get used to not constantly taking out your phone when your hands are free, like if you're in the bathroom or on a line, try watching a show or a movie, but DO NOT take a break from the movie to go on your phone or some shit, just let yourself watch the movie, if there's a boring part it isn't going to kill you to just sit through it. Try to make situations as distraction-free as possible, there's a reason people love studying in quiet libraries. If you would like to get into reading, I would recommend an e-reader (for the love of god, do not use your phone to read books, you won't get through a single page if you do), lay in bed with the frontlight on so that the only thing visible to your eyes is the e-reader. Generally, let yourself be bored, you're deathly afraid of it, but it becomes better the more you let yourself be bored, you have a dopamine addiction. And try to catch yourself when you lose focus on somethingPeople who don't know about this shit think you just need to "lock in" and you can fix your attention overnight, but the brain has to be trained, like someone who just started lifting, you don't expect them to bench press 225 by "locking in", they need to train their muscles.
Ain’t no way in hell y’all niggas keep falling for howie threadsSage
THIS IS HOWIE DO IT
>>32605315THIS IS HOWIE DO IT
>>32604200>> I don't want to live like this anymore. How do I make this stop?Find a heigh structure 25 stories or higher, and jump off?
>>32605318>>32605316>>32605315So no advice?
>>32605386You got all the advice and more. You always get advice. You’ve had advice from every angle, on every thread, every time. You’ve had advice ranging from:- kys- get gud- just b urself- try harder- get medicated- try therapy- try cognitive behavioural therapy- try psychotherapy - try meditating- try exercise try a better diet try getting sleep- try psychedelics try spirituality try a job try getting off 4chan- try doing nothingAll of the possible pieces of advice, a whole horde of anons have given to you, time and time again. Every time you flippantly ask for more and reject them. And I think it’s because the part of your brain that is supposed to realise that “words and thoughts and advice actually have to be acted upon before working.” it just doesn’t click. Like that part of your mind just doesn’t fire on. Either that or what all of this is, is you know you don’t want advice nor to act on it. Maybe this is all an attention seeking thing, and you rely on people coming back every time to give you a sense of importance. I don’t know.
>>32605407I’m looking for something I can actually implement today, not lists of jargon that I’m expected to magically adhere to
>>32605414>I’m looking for something I can actually implement today, not lists of jargon that I’m expected to magically adhere toHave you ever heard of a crazy concept called ‘process’? It’s that thing in reality yknow like in space time where you have>Thing that starts>Thing that ends/completesThe thing in between those two takes time to get from A to B. Yknow like how it took a process for your thread to get 66 replies. It took 5 hours. You want life changing behavioural altering results in a fucking day. Are you able to comprehend why this is not possible?
>>32605414and this is why you're a retard who fails at life, you have no concept of taking small steps to reach a goal and just want an instant fix with instant gratification, you'd rather stay living life as a depressed retard than put in any amount of effort to slowly fix it
>>32604775Anything else you fucking asshole
this must be bait
THIS IS WHAT THE MODERN WORLD HAS DONE TO THIS MAN WITNESS AND MARVEL
>>32605414>something I can actually implement todayWhich stimulants have you tried?I'm asking because I think I have a similar "type of ADHD" as you do, I can totally relate with the symptoms you're describing: zero focus, zero dedication, zero passion, rotting in bed all day, can't even sit in a computer chair for long without feeling exhausted.Have you tried Vyvanse, specifically? For me, Vyvanse was the thing that worked the most so far.It worked great for all the things you're describing, I was less distracted, I could actually care about things, I could actually dedicate energy to things, and even moving my body around in general felt better and easier, it was like my limbs weighed me down less and I was more coordinated, and I had basically no side-effects.And I'll be honest with you, I'm writing these in past tense because it didn't last long, eventually, a few months in I built tolerance to the medication and ended up kind of back where you are now.Even then, I'd say at least I got to experience something different for a while, I think you should try it too if you haven't already, it might get you a new perspective.
>>32606008I've tried Vyvanse, Focalin and Adderall. Nothing has worked for me.
>>32606008I've even tried upping or lowering my dosages on each of these medications. Too high makes me too tired, or makes me too jittery and impulsive. Too low makes me feel nothing.
>>32605407I actually cannot do this. This is something someone who doesn't have ADHD does and then thinks it works for someone who does. I know because I tried all the common "cures," diet changes, increased sunlight exposure, exercise dopamine fasts, conditioning, all of it, before I got diagnosed, and none of it worked. My problem isn't that my brain is dysregulated by society and bad food and whatnot, it's that my brain is genetically programed to have lower resting dopamine, something that isn't affected by conditioning either positively or negatively. You cannot fix it through simple regulation. Adderall doesn't cause me to "lock in for 6 hours straight" normal Adderall doesn't even last more than 3 hours, and extended release capsules barely last 6 hours. The conditioning also does nothing for the dysregulation of yes/no signals to the brain that causes clumsiness and impulsivity in people with ADHD.So no, none of this advice works for me.
>>32606022>Too low makes me feel nothing.at the right dose you don't feel anything
what do you think howie looks like
>>32604200ADHD literally can't do goal-directed behaviour
>>32604200Fish oil works for ADHD
>>32606436No, it doesn't.
>>32605286I've explained why this doesn't work here. >>32606042
>>32608555ok so youre a faggot who cant even help himself why ask for advice?
>>32608580I'm looking for advice that works for people with ADHD. Not advice that works for normal people who assume it'll work with people with ADHD.
>>32608588no advice will work for you because you're a faggot that can't take advice and uses his ADHD as an excuse to not even try and attempt to improve his life, have fun being a loser
>>32608619My ADHD prevents me from trying to improve. I either have no motivation or get too distracted to do anything.
>>32606256So I should give up on everything?
>>32608697how do i give up?
