I was on puberty blockers before it could start naturally, because I told my parents I want to be a guy.I'm off puberty blockers now, and have been for a year and a half now because they changed a lot of the rules in my state surrounding youth transition.I'm 19, and approaching 2 years of my natural puberty. I feel like the hormones are making me a crybaby, and it's killing the tough guy image I've worked really hard to build for myself in my friend groups. My doctor says I have to finish some psych evals to get testosterone, but I was hoping for guidance on how to get ny delayed puberty under control while waiting for all that.
>it's killing the tough guy image I've worked really hard to build for myself in my friend groupstrannies are a fucking riot
>>32605108Hey I don't have a lot of ability to be as tough a guy as I want to be because it feels like without testosterone I'm just kinda puny and weepy but I worked really hard to build up the image of who I want to be seen as in people's eyes and the fact that it's slipping from my fingers right now is pretty upsetting. Can you please not make jokes about it?
>>32605155You aren't a man, you silly girl. Just get over it.
>>32605199Medical professional disagree.
>>32605221No we don't. This bait is retarded. There are no women on 4chan, not even silly girls who have penis envy>> medfag
why are ftms so weak? roiders get access to T all the time, you really gonna let the state dictate what you can and cant do? if you were a real man you wouldnt let that happen kek.
>>32605393I don't want to go to jail, I'm worried about trying to get illegal testosterone and getting arrested.
>>32605430you wont be a man with this attitude.
>>32605031>worked really hard to build for myselfYou do know that if you were actually trans-male then you wouldn't have needed to work for that image? That it's just the unavoidable result of being - you know - *male*?
>>32605155> I want to be seen as in people's eyes and the fact that it's slipping from my fingers right now is pretty upsetting. Can you please not make jokes about it?I have never heard a man say anything like this in my life, let alone a guy I considered tough.
>>32605520>>32605588>>32605430This kind of toxic masculinity is exactly why I feel so much stress about all this. People get super judgemental if you aren't a man the way they think a man should be.I'm my own man. I'm doing things my own way, and that's okay. It doesn't make me less than any other trying to do the same.
>>32605655Meant to click >>32605456Instead of responding to my other post here>>32605430
>>32605655>People get super judgemental if you aren't a man the way they think a man should beYou mean if you aren't a man at all? People tend to not appreciate being lied to, and your desire - no matter how sincerely held - to lie to them isn't gonna make them any happier about it.
>the tough guy image I've worked really hard to build for myselffucking lel I bet you don't even lift. Pathetic
>>32605031>>32605155could you imagine if you had a good diet and actually got out and did some real aerobic exercise hahaha
>>32605787I have some hand weights in my room I use actually, but my family is weirded out by the transition stuff so I've had to be subtle and secretive in exercising so they wouldn't see me getting buff.
>>32605845imagine being a woman and unironically thinking men have to work out to get buff.
I don't know much about transitioning, but it's pretty easy to get your hands on hormones/steroids via grey market websites, let alone the deep web, and you're not likely to face any legal repercussions in North America or Europe. I would look into that if I were you.
>>32605031>>32605155>>32605430>>32605845>but my family is weirded out by the transition stuffOf course they are because this is not normal just kys wannabe male
>>32605865Everyone has to work out to look good.>>32605881I've looked into it, but I've been afraid of it being like a police sting trying to bait people into buying testosterone to get arrested. I know I'm a little paranoid, but I would just feel safer knowing that I'm working through legal channels and there's nothing I'd get in trouble for going on.>>32605920Its not as weird as you're making it out to be. Even in early American history, there were FTM trans people living in secret. All the world's histories have trans peoplr in various forms. We're just more open now.
>>32605241>bu-but my friends suppor-ACK
>>32605031what happens to girls that take puberty blockers when they're 18-20? do they look very young or do they look more like guys?
>>32605221((medical professionals))
>>32607620Flat chests, for one. Probably skinny and slightly on the tall side. Unless they eat like shit, they're going to look like any late bloomer type.
>>32605031I'm a woman and I can only cry while watching movies or listening to music. Am I a bad woman?
>>32606018>there were FTM trans people living in secret. All the world's histories have trans peoplr in various forms.Troons take every single historical example of a woman disguising herself as a man (even though it's always due to how women were oppressed, denied job opportunities, not taken seriously, and so on) and claim that all she really wanted was to get he/him pronouns. It's horribly offensive, and like all troon ideology, deeply misogynistic.
>>32608247Why does the existence of trans people equate to misogyny in your view?
>>32608506Trans ideology, at its core, is about reducing women. According to it, any man can be a woman simply by declaring himself so, and he should thus be entitled to women's shelters, sports, locker rooms, and so on. To be part of women's spaces, to be part of feminism, to be part of lesbians' sexuality, all because of some unprovable "feeling". Any woman who is uncomfortable with this and dares to speak up is evil, a TERF, a horrible and disgusting person. However, women have been oppressed across countless cultures for millennia because of their biology, not because of some abstract, nebulous "gender identity". Not because of "how they identify" or whatever. The need for women's spaces has roots in that history, and men declaring themselves women and therefore claiming ownership of that history is offensive and insulting. It's misogynistic.FtMs are also about limiting women. It's this view that women are supposed to enjoy being girly-girls, to want to be materialistic and shallow and fulfill all sorts of stereotypes, and so if that's not you, then you're not a woman. Women can be whoever they want to be, and so the idea that women are supposed to be a certain way like that is, again, misogynistic.
>>32608824I want to be a man because I feel like I'm a guy on the inside. I want my body to reflect who I feel like. I'm not trying to force anyone to live anyway they don't want, but a lot of people are trying to force me to live in ways I don't want. I feel like gender is something that should be flexible to people's preferences.
>>32608906>I feel like I'm a guy on the inside.Well, you're not.>a lot of people are trying to force me to live in ways I don't wantYeah, that's bad, hence feminism and the like.
>>32605031Act like a man and source what you want. that's what a man would do.if you don't have the drive to do that you were never meant to be a man.
>>32605221Medical professionals would agree that your blood is haunted and cocaine is the treatment if I paid them all $500 to say that, lawyers are unironically more ethical people.
>>32608906>I'm not trying to force anyone to live anyway they don't wantExcept that fundamentally you ask people to deny reality all for your own sense of self. Very selfish. Very rude. Not masculine or stoic at all.
>>32605655Okay so if a man thought a medication was necessary for his well being, he would not be afraid of being jailed to get access to it. Also you're probably not legally a man, so you won't get jailed anyways, women literally get probation for murder.
>>32608919How do you know what my feelings are on the inside? I try to tell people how I feel, and it seems like everyone tells me I'm just confused. They blame the yaoi I read, they blame social media, they blame everything except for just accepting this is the way I feel.>>32608970>>32608993Why would I bother with illegal testosterone? Some chud who thinks its in my best interest would probably rat me out. I wouldn't have any way of knowing for sure it was actually testosterone, or what the dosage is. I'd just be taking it all on the word of people who make their livelihoods in crime who wouldn't think twice about giving me a bad product that could hurt me for a quick profit.>>32608990How is it selfish or rude when I don't want to hang around the people who would be bothered by it in the first place?
>>32605221there are no medical professionals in the tranny industry silly
>>32609274>the yaoi I readJesus Christ, girl, please be less of a stereotype.>just accepting this is the way I feelYou're the one who needs to accept it, as opposed to trying to take drugs and construct this artificial person who matches this fantasy of yours. >How is it selfish or rudeYou're following trans ideology, which as I explained, is misogynistic. Just because you're not trying to be misogynistic doesn't mean you're not still being misogynistic.
>>32609274you do not have an idea about your feelings on the inside because your brain has not yet formed fully (and probably never will due to the puberty blockers)
>>32605031This isn't the community to ask detransition advice fromPeople here hate trannies not because they don't want trannies to exist, it's just bitterness plus they're only 1 step away from becoming troons themselves from their shit mental health
>>32609304I don't believe its valid to dismiss something completely based on the bad faith performances of a select few actors within the community.>>32609319My brain is fine. Thanks. I feel like it was better before they took my puberty blockers, because now I feel like everything makes me cry and I've been feeling stuff I never wanted to feel about some guys I'm friends with and it made me uncomfortable.>>32609408Sorry for confusion, I'm not detransitioning. I've been unwillingly forced off the meds for my transition and I'm trying to find some stopgap means for until I can get testosterone.
>>32605031>I feel like the hormones are making me a crybaby, and it's killing the tough guy image I've worked really hard to build for myself in my friend groups.Hmm, it's almost like you were just faking it all along.
your parents are disgusting for making you rely on (((big pharma))) to le bee yourself. get a fucking grip
>>32609783I wasn't faking it, that was the me I want to be. It's the same as the whole "dress for the job you want" idea.>>32609810They were honestly happy when my blockers got cancelled, they said they weren't too sure about the trans stuff but they wanted to "support" me, even though their support disappeared at the first hurdle (puberty blockers getting revoked)
>>32605031you are not a man. changing genders is not possible, and will not solve your problems, it will just make more of them.
>>32605655>complains about toxic masculinity.>wants to be toxically masculine.
>>32609274>and it seems like everyone tells me I'm just confused.Because you are.If you weren't confused, you never would have tried to stop your puberty. You have gender dysphoria. A competent medical professional would have helped you become comfortable with your body. They would have helped you stay true to the person you wanted to be while simultaneously accepting reality.Imagine being a skinny child and telling your parents you don't want to get fat so they should put you on diet pills or something. You wouldn't go to a doctor who helps you become more anorexic or helps you become bulimic.
>>32610208If just accepting being a girl would work, I feel like I would have realized that before I went to all the trouble of getting puberty blocked.Now it feels like it was all for nothing because its like I went through normal puberty anyway after being off them long enough.
>>32610208>A competent medical professional would have helped you become comfortable with your body.Trust my medical advice, I'm a guy from 4chan!
>>32609274Very fembrained of you on your second point. stay risk averse and female queen.
