Why is treating women like you treat your friends not enough to get a relationship? Why do you HAVE to flirt or make it well known you're romantically interested in them. In order for them to develop feelings for you?I could be in the wrong here. Maybe I'm just ugly.
>>32616072It is enough. You just have to be alpha. If you're ugly it's probably because you feel disheartened. People can sense that. Take care of yourself.
>>32616075> you just have to be an alphaThis is very vague.
>>32616078I apologize for the vagueness. But that's how it goes. If she wanted you, she'd let you know. I just meant have confidence and something fueling that confidence. Stand out. Regardless of any woes. But one of your friends. That's someone you know not someone you just met.
>>32616072You don't have to flirt or make it known you are interested. But how do you expect them to engage with you romantically if you don't let them know that's what you want.Unless you want them to start first? Are you a woman?
>>32616072>that cute small girl buttMy face should be buried there.
>>32616101> But how do you expect them to engage with you romantically if you don't let them know that's what you want.I mean we hangout, we go to places and have a fun time. I feel like a moron asking this but: Isn't that enough? That's all I see other couples doing. (aside from kissing and beyond)> Are you a woman?Come now, this is 4chan.
>>32616094>If she wanted you, she'd let you know.Yeah, that's what I feared.
>>32616072This is such an outstandingly retarded post that it has to be bait. But well done OP, you got me to respond anyway.>Why is treating women like you treat your friends not enough to get a relationship?How is a woman supposed to know that you like her sexually/romantically if you treat her as a platonic friend?>>32616137>Isn't that enough?No because friends do that as well. You cretin.
>>32616164I am going to bump up my retardation another notch. Why should a woman know you (romantically) like her, in order for her to start liking you?
>>32616193What I mean is, I am probably not going to do anything more different, aside from holding hands, hugging, kissing, etc.
>>32616145Don't worry about it amigo. You want to be with someone you get along with anyways.
>>32616215The thing is, I do get along with them. Very well in fact. It means that everything I do is correct and there's nothing left to improve.
Post moar of the cheese bitch
>>32616072Different women are different. I treat them like friends and it's typically the vulnerable narcissists who are attracted to me. I don't know why and if that's good or bad, but I'm currently suffering from Telogen Effluvium because of the stress.
>>32616257Ugh, fine. But you have to at least give me some advice on the matter, okay?
>>32616137>That's all I see other couples doing. (aside from kissing and beyond)That's what they do in public.When they are back in the car, alone, the guy gets naughty and the girl blushes. When they are at home, as soon as the door closes, he grabs her ass and they go into the bedroom
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>>32616072>Why is treating women like you treat your friends not enough to get a relationship?Because they'll think you are friendzoning them
>>32616278You really like Giorgia Villa, do you?
>>32616280I'm well aware of all that. But lest I want to get a one-way ticket to the sex offender registry. I can not just start groping her to show affection.
>>32616296I'm actually more in it for the cheese, but yeah.
>>32616302Point was that the guy takes the lead from the very beginning. You want the girl? You ask her out. You make her feel good. You put your arm around her. You lean in for the kiss. Etc.
>>32616291Women are never in the friendzone, ever.
>>32616316What does the very beginning mean? Like after you make acquaintance? Or after you ask her out? That still feels very quick, iyam. I'm not scared to do it, but I do fear it will scare her.
>>32616329Beginning = you ask her outYou need to make it known to be a date, where your goal is to get to know her, and get romantically involvedYou do not want a friend, because everyone can be your friend, so what exactly makes this girl special? You want her to be your "best friend"? You don't have sex with "best friends". The same sex can be your best friend too.You want to love her and be hers, as she is yours.This needs to be your goal from the very beginning, which starts with asking her out.Before that, she might show interest, you might be interested, she might even ask you out first. But from the very first date, your goal needs to be romance. You get to know her on the first date, have a good time and just see where it leads. If it feels right, you might initiate, if she pulls away, you ask why, etc.It's not possible to teach social skills but you learn with practice. I couldn't teach you how to walk in text either.
>>32616309Cheese is delicious
>>32616329Beginning starts with your life. If you aren't in charge of your life, you've already lost.
>>32616193>>32616200She doesnt. Women just usually dont approach first because it's scary, and men are usually willing to do it so they dont have to.
>>32616267Stress that is self imposed and unnecessary btw
>>32616072Because society expects men to make the first move
>>32616072Because it's like that, nigga, stop fighting reality
>>32616618>men are usually willing to do itbecause bitches won't, it's scary for men too, retard
>>32616072Why would you NOT want to flirt or make your interests known? If the girl is nothing special to you and there are no romantic or sexual feelings for her above and beyond one of your regular friends, what's even the point of dating her?
sometimes you just have to communicate your intentions. i have guy friends i'm not interested in and vague guy friends that i might be interested in but their headspace isn't the best for me. recently there was a guy interested in me who wanted me to make the first moves on him, but really he also told me he has abandonment issues and he became the people who hurt him, hurting others and continuing the cycle of abuse. it's like he/you are just trying to "protect yourselves" by thinking if someone likes you more and you leave first then it's okay because you're not really invested. it's awful.
>>32616193>Why should a woman know you (romantically) like her, in order for her to start liking you?She doesn't.But even if she does like you, that doesn't mean she's going to be the one to get the ball rolling to act on it. That's still your job.If she does like you and YOU do nothing, after a while she will get mad at you and/or lose interest. There's always some other guy out there who will act on it even if you won't.
I think OP's predicament is a natural consequence of the oft repeated adage, "Just be yourself bro!". OP be'd himself and treated women as he treated men but found no pussy. The only conclusion OP, is that you shouldn't be yourself.
>>32616698No, it's not that OP shouldn't be himself. He needs to make some changes in how he does things, but if he changes then that is his "new" self.OP doesn't need to pretend to be the guy who will actually make a move on the woman he wants, he needs to actually be that guy. The first one would be fake, the second one would still be "being himself".
>>32616696> But even if she does like you, that doesn't mean she's going to be the one to get the ball rolling to act on it. That's still your job.That's so stupid though! That's genuinely retarded.
>>32616716Like if I take you out and do things she still won't give me any signs she's interested in me unless I do it myself???
>>32616716Why is that stupid? Let me guess though, it somehow wouldn't be stupid if it was her job instead?How about you just admit you're afraid of women? Once we identify your real problem, then we can start to get somewhere.
>>32616724As someone said, friends go out and do things also. How is she supposed to know you're interested if you don't even flirt with her?
>>32616689Because I'm an ugly bastard. If I flirt with her I'll be the guy below in pic rel.
>>32616727I already went out of my way to ask her out to do something with me. I already took initiative.
>>32616739The only thing I didn't do was flirt with her.
>>32616729Why does she need to know I'm interested in her? Why is that so fundamentally important? Can't she just drop a hint or something??
>>32616712Imagine killing your old self and then some girl talks about wanting to be loved for who she is. I'd fucking murder her.
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"the only thing I didn't do was the most important thing!"
>>32616746Gee anon I have no idea why you're struggling here, you should be fending women off with a stick.Yes, faggot, sometimes people need to kill off their old selves. Especially in your case where your old self is nothing worth preserving.
>>32616748But WHY is that so important?! Why can't it just be: "I like the way you do, I like the way you look. Wanna take this a step further?"UNLESS, I am in fact not all that fun to be around or that good looking.
>>32616751I love myself. I'll wipe out the universe before I change myself.
>>32616756I mean, apart from intimacy, I am probably not going to treat them any differently,
>>32616744nta but sometimes even people giving me hints definitely goes way over my head and it doesn't register, and i'm a woman fwiw. a couple of people have said I have a flirty personality when I don't mean to come off that way, I'm just interactive and cheery sometimes and like giving compliments say if i like someone's outfit or haircut looks nice. you do seem scared/angry at women though, and we can't force people to be who they are not.
>>32616762I'm not angry at women. Everybody has to be able to be with whom they choose. I'm just frustrated with the way things are going.
>>32616756>Why can't it just be: "I like the way you do, I like the way you look. Wanna take this a step further?"And how exactly do you think people convey that to each other? Oh right...through flirting. Through making a move.>>32616761>I mean, apart from intimacy, I am probably not going to treat them any differently,That's a pretty big "apart". But again, how exactly do you think this happens?Do you think people just segueway from being platonic friends to steamy passionate sex with no intermediate steps? Like in movies when there's a scene cut and two people are just shown waking up together after being last seen at a bar or something?The funniest thing is that you seem super eager to willingly skip out on some of the best and most fun parts, all because you're a scared little bitch.
>>32616760>I love myself. I'll wipe out the universe before I change myself.
>>32616771It's because you're not hot. Reality isn't the same for those gifted with good looks. Sorry but you'll have to work for it, it's just the fact.
>>32616780I'll wipe out this guy too.
>>32616786You can probably barely wipe your own ass anon, seeing how you need to be spoonfed common sense things in this thread.
>>32616777Dang...
>>32616771then i suggest rereading >>32616782seems like the women you may be interested in as it is right now just don't click with you personally. you are also setting yourself up for failure when you don't act on being clear with what you want, and then get frustrated at them but really it's just you at yourself for not trying to strive to be better. that's my take.
>>32616790I'll wipe your ass before I wipe mine faggot.
>>32616072>Why is treating women like you treat your friends not enough to get a relationship?Need sex for relationship but not friends>Why do you HAVE to flirt or make it well known you're romantically interested in them. In order for them to develop feelings for you?Because if no romance and no sex, then friendship, not relationship.... Does OP not know what words mean?
>>32616797>and then get frustrated at themAgain, it has nothing to do with the women I see. I am only mad at myself. They are doing nothing wrong.
>>32616806So you're frustrated about being frustrated? Then you better distill the two. You're frustrated that women don't find you desirable enough to approach you first? That's natural, don't beat yourself up over feeling this way. There's always something in life we wish we were given instead of having to take it for ourselves. Channel that obsession into something productive. You have a burning flame inside of you, use it to light the industry of your mind.
>>32616072>>32616291>>32616618>>32616670>>32616689>>32616696>>32616729>>32616748>>32616777Okay so, how do you subtly flirt then? And also when should you flirt? Only during a date or even before?
>>32616881No one can spoonfeed you anon. This is trial by fire here, just like when you learned to walk, swim or ride a bike as a kid.But generally speaking, flirting is just joking and bantering around with an undertone of "hey, I'm attracted to you and I bet you are to me also". I'd say think of it like a dance of sorts, but that would also be lost on you.And here is where "be yourself bro" comes back into it: guys who are terrified of flirting or expressing interest are NOT being themselves. Your real self is not some eunuch; your real self wants women or you would not have made this thread. But some guys completely repress that side of themselves. You have to find that dog in you.
>>32616876>Channel that obsession into something productive. You have a burning flame inside of you, use it to light the industry of your mind.Well it's not like I don't have hobbies. I dance, go out, skateboard, go climbing. I don't mean to brag but making friends is quite easy for me.
>>32616900Alright then forget about the how. But when should you do it? >And also when should you flirt? Only during a date or even before?
>>32616902Do you flirt?
>>32616914No.>>32616881But I'm willing to learn now.
>>32616908Definitely during a date, you can also do it before. It's dependent on the situation and the girl. But me, I can't ever picture even being on a date with a woman if some flirting had not taken place at some point already. People usually establish some kind of a rapport FIRST instead of asking the girl out out of the blue.So if you made it that far while skipping steps somehow, yes please for the love of fuck at least flirt with her on the date.
>>32616881Indirect (better than direct early on) compliments about her looks, buying her a coffee or a drink (most women perceive a man ordering something for them as romantic), acting mildly protective (e.g if you guys are on an elevator and she's wearing a skirt, stand behind her, just simple stuff like that).
>>32616927also, in my personal opinion flirting is just when two people who are mutually attracted to each other speak in a playful way. if there's no mutual attraction, it can't be flirting since it's a 2-way act.
>>32616924Then start flirting.
>>32616935But again, I have to take initiative in order for her to start flirting?
>>32616938I don't know how. I have never ever done this before.
>>32616881OP here, I have been thinking. It simply can't be that the only I'm still a virgin is because I don't flirt. That just doesn't make sense.
>>32616965Okay, let's get started. How close are you to your female friends? Are you comfortable talking about sex?
>>32617229I am pretty close but I never discuss anything sexual with them.
>>326172541. Do you often exchange playful physical jabs?2. Do you consider yourself physically fit enough that they wouldn't be immediately repulsed by your suggestive intent?
>>32616072Reading the dumpster fire of stupidity in this thread amazes me how many of you youngfags know absolutely nothing about women T. degenerate oldfag that's going to fuck your crush when she is 18 years, 0 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes, and 0.000000000000001 seconds old
>>32617277> 1.No.> 2.I am quite fit (I dance, alot) but I am skinny (especially my arms).
>>32617293I'm 25...
>>32617301Then you start touching them anon.
>>32617311Where? Like their hands, arms or shoulders?
>>32616072Women can develop feelings for you without flirting. The point of flirting, especially before asking someone out, is to MEASURE feelings. If I talk to a girl I like, and I flirt with her and get a bad response, I know that she doesn't want to proceed and I stop.Treating women like you treat your friends isn't enough for a relationship because you don't have sex with your friends.
>>32617322Arms and shoulders first, then her face. Finally for the killing blow, her hands and fingers.
>>32616072When woman look at you in a certain you you have to take that with courage, and advanced on it. For whatever reason a girl sometimes at a certain moment will pick you to try to fuck. Once you are finally done being a pussy you'll learn to appropriately make those leaps, and passively accept the failure due to some success. As well you will increase that positive variable. I've had some woman even compliment me for asking them if they'd like to get together.
>>32617401>When woman look at you in a certain wayIN WHAT WAY YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS? HOW'S A GUY WHO HAS NEVER HAD A WOMAN SHOW INTEREST IN HIM SUPPOSED TO INTERPRET WHATEVER THE FUCK LOOKS SHE GIVES HIM??
>>32617438If you see someone looking at you repeatedly and it's not clear anger/disgust, assume they like you.
>>32617527I can recognise anger but not disgust.
>>32617527I mean to be honest I look at my homies alot, but it doesnt mean I want to fuck them like some fag
>>32616072>Why is treating women like you treat your friends not enough to get a relationship?Because you have to express interest or intent or you seem like you're not interested, like you don't find them attractive, like you're cowardly, or like you're without any passion or sexual drive.>Why do you HAVE to flirt or make it well known you're romantically interested in them. In order for them to develop feelings for you?They could theoretically, however unlikely, develop feelings for you but why would they ever indicate it when you've never shown the slightest bit of interest?In society, the man pusues. When a man doesn't pursue, that typically means that he isn't interested for whatever reason.Some online incels argue that some women pursue and that some men are so attractive that many women pursue them. This might be true but it's irrelevant.Most women don't pursue.Most men must pursue.
>>32617438Have some copypasta:>How do you know if a woman is attracted to you? How do you know if they're making a move on you/flirting with you?Never wait for 100% confirmation. You won't get it unless she's one of the *rare* forward girls. Women generally don't make moves or approach so much as invite opportunity for you to move.One anon once said>my boyfriend looks at me like my grandma and my puppy do.That sums up the eyes well.Steady eye contact is a sign of interest or politeness. Pretty standard and inconclusive.When someone looks at you with interest, their eyes have a captivated look. You might have seen it in someone's, not necessarily a girl's, eyes while in the middle of telling a good story or after you just told a funny joke and are in the middle of telling another one. The eyes communicate "anticipation".If you get this look, they are interested, for any number of reasons. If you get this look when being boring or mundane, like just greeting them, it is a sign that they are interested In *you* and not what you are saying.Adoring eyes are more than captivated. I call them "gooey eyes". If you've ever seen the look in someone's eyes as they fuss over a baby, puppy, or kitten, you might have an idea of what I am talking about. They are captivated and appreciative but also somehow softer and more vulnerable.In addition to the eyes, there are piles of inconclusive clues like them touching their face, fixing their appearance, moving closer, or finding reasons to talk to you. All evidence but no smoking gun. Women don't risk rejection easily and often actually consider you missing clues as a rejection because it's as overt as they get. This can be why a girl will be super nice and then suddenly cold. You were *supposed* to ask her out, didn't, and she takes that as you rejecting her....maybe.
>>32617538Have you tried?
>>32616881OP here, does flirting have to be sexual?
>>32618254Flirting can be as simple as normal chatting between two people attracted to each other. There's no special qualities.Other anons have written better on it.One sec
>>32618254>>32618293Here are some flirting tips someone else wrote up:https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/24810934/#24812284https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/24810934/#24812306https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/24814729/#24815698
>>32618293From what I'm reading it looks a lot like normal banter to me. But beyond the banter how do you show affection?
>>32618254it's a kind of trolling. the high quality flirts are the ones that are not sexual at all that she gets embarrassed by because she reads them as sexual. the right things to say are the ones that make her blush or act demure. you are trying to establish an air of being playfully able to throw her off guard like you're not even trying, that she's the one imagining all these come-ons that aren't there because women can't help but interpret interaction with you as dominance
>>32618343So there is this one girl I got my eye on. She has done partner dances in her past. I thought of saying something along the lines of:> So you have a standard dancing partner?> *Either yes or no.*> Well if you change your mind, you can give me a call okay?Tacky or tacky in a good way?
>>32616959Again, yes, you have to take initiative and shoot your shot sometimes. Why do you resent that so much? Is it ego? Fear? What's going on in your sick head here exactly anon?Yes, sometimes a girl will start flirting with you first. It'd still be your game to lose though, and based on your posts, you likely would. But why are you so dead set on waiting for the girl to do all the work? What if she won't? Where does that leave you then?
>>32618406>What's going on in your sick head here exactly anon?I'll solve the the Riemann Hypothesis before ever solving this one.> Why do you resent that so much?It's fear. I'm scared of the repercussions. I feel like I'll only embarrass myself to even suggest the idea to a girl I like her.> But why are you so dead set on waiting for the girl to do all the work? What if she won't? Where does that leave you then?Well I have somewhat been swayed. I going to try and subtly flirt with a girl I know and just see the results.
>>32618336>But beyond the banter how do you show affection?It's showing interest, not affection.And guys aren't as subtle as we think we are.When I started off, I kept getting told by women that I felt like a brother or cousin to them. I finally figured out that I was hiding my sexual interest from them out of a misguided sense of politeness.So I decided to start by talking normally and slowly ramp up my sexuality.The change was immediate without any ramping up. All I did was actively think sexual thoughts while talking to them normally. My gaze alone sold my intent. Touching them is another technique. I used to shake their hand when I met them and let my grip linger as I immediately segue into some comment or another. If she immediately pulled her hand free, I eased off and kept it casual until she was more comfortable. If she left her hand in mine, I let it linger for a bit, sometimes I would draw attention to it, commenting on how soft or small her hand was, touching it with one hand as I was still holding it with the other.
>>32618460>When I started off, I kept getting told by women that I felt like a brother or cousin to them. I finally figured out that I was hiding my sexual interest from them out of a misguided sense of politeness.wth are you me??
>>32616072Some men are psychic and some aren't. In many cases you just have to adjust to the fact you aren't unfortunately.
>>32618374That's an absolutely fine thing to say, and how you should directly ask for what you want at the end of your back and forth, but that's not flirting. You have to have stuff before that that is jokey and fun and interesting. Dancing involves trusting someone will touch you in a safe way and most guys will be rejected for asking that if they just do it cold asking
>>32618475> You have to have stuff before that that is jokey and fun and interesting.Would you kindly elaborate a bit here? I don't know her all that well, but we are in the same dance group and she has done partner dancing before (I have as well).
>>32618475>>32618488Also, that's STILL not flirting? This is going to be impossible...
>>32618468Nope. Many such cases.
>>32618469Alternatively, you can learn how to human.
>>32618488OK disclaimer flirting is always personal, what you can and can't say will always be situational and you need to learn what impression people get of you. a giant black guy flirting with a 5 foot Asian girl has a lot less leeway, etc. etc.That being said, here are some very broad 101 level bants you might attempt for dancing, once you've established she's happy and comfortable around you and is escalating:>I promise I won’t step on your toes...too too much. Want to take a chance?entendre: slightly dom/sub vibe>I have two left feet and need a teacher with some grace & confidence... or at least a girl who won't fake it with me!entendre: won't fake orgasms with you>They say dancing is all about chemistry—wanna test that theory?entendre: sexual chemistry>You seem like the kind of person who knows how to get down out there on the floor... Care to prove me right?entendre: get down on the living room floor when you're doing it>I might not be the greatest dancer but I'm eager to learn, if you can keep upentendre: learn to pleasure you staying up all night>I'm feeling a little off-beat tonight, maybe you can help me find the rhythm?entendre: the rhythm of penetrationif she responds well or is genuinely flustered by something like that, then you have the indication of interest to ask for the specific date directly
>>32617632That's fine. If you see a girl looking at you repeatedly and she isn't displeased, approach her and try some friendly conversation with some flirting. You will figure out if she's attracted to you or not.
>>32616777>super eager to willingly skip out on some of the best and most fun partsNTA but is that "the thrill of the chase" people talk about? I'm a KHV too and I don't quite get how the riskiest and most vulnerable part could be the best and most fun.
>>32616072You don't have to flirt for them to develop feelings but you have to flirt for them to act on them
flirting just makes your intention to fuck/date clearer. if you just want to be friends it makes it harder to fuck/date because most people don't fuck their friends.
>>32616672I know that retard, because I am a man that approaches women. But guess what? If I don't do it, some other man will.If some women doesn't approach me, there is no guarantee another woman will. That's the difference.>>32616881>>32618254Flirting is a case by case thing. I dont usually think about it consciously in this way, but I guess it is one of the tools to see if a girl is interested.First I'd just see if she's willing to put up with some LIGHT teasing. Spending time on this website skews your brain on what is socially acceptable so I would practice with strangers or something. From there, if she is receptive or plays back I would flirt more directly. If not then quit while you're ahead and you can avoid embarrassment and making her uncomfortable.
>>32616072>Why is treating women like you treat your friends not enough to get a relationship?It is tho.>Why do you HAVE to flirt or make it well known you're romantically interested in them. In order for them to develop feelings for you?Because a lot of men are superficial manchildren. Flirting is just abusing the system and showing that you are a) poetic (not superficial, deep) and b) patient (not impulsive, not a whiny bitch).If you are neither of those things you wouldn't need to flirt to get bitches.Or maybe you are just ugly.
>>32616072Alright I flirted a little bit and she took it well. I swear if this turns out to work I never listening to feminists ever again.
>>32616695I take care of myself but I know looks aren't my forte, so I'm always afraid to make my interest known and "offend" the girl by being beneath her.
>>32616072>Why is treating women like you treat your friends not enough to get a relationship?It is, if you have enough common interests and spend enough time together>Why do you HAVE to flirt or make it well known you're romantically interested in them. In order for them to develop feelings for you?You don't have to. If you share common interests and spend enough time together, feelings can develop naturally. >I could be in the wrong here. Maybe I'm just ugly.Yes, you could be ugly or you could just not be sharing enough interests and/or spending enough time with the girl.
>>32616118I bet she ate a bunch of parmezane right after that shoot
>>32617911>When someone looks at you with interest, their eyes have a captivated look. You might have seen it in someone's, not necessarily a girl's, eyes while in the middle of telling a good story or after you just told a funny joke and are in the middle of telling another one. The eyes communicate "anticipation".ngl i don't think i've ever seen this in my life, nor do i have any idea of what it looks like. i can only read people when it's super obvious
>>32616777>And how exactly do you think people convey that to each other? Oh right...through flirting. Through making a move.Why don't people cut through the bullshit then? It would get rid of a lot of uncertainty (and pain)
>>32618559good lord i cringed at every one of these
>>32624933Because to most people flirting is fun, not painful.
>>32616072Men dream of fucking multiple women.Women dream of multiple men killing eachother & the winner fucking her.Theres also a few underlying social dynamic reasons; not every culture is this bad, but its no picnic anywhere.
>>32616094This is like the GB/Reagan debate.GB was a veteran who ran the CIA & executed one of the best wars in history.Reagan was an actor who played tough on TV.People loved Reagan, & thought GB was a pussy.Your measure of *Alpha* is how women perceive things.
>>32625649Maybe I'm autistic, but the whole thing just mystifies me. Efficiency is good.
>>32616072>Why is treating women like you treat your friends not enough to get a relationship?it is if you're handsome
>>32625754Do you have friends? If so, how did you determine if you liked them or not?
>>32624933What you call "the bullshit" is the whole point and some of the best parts.
>>32622542Great! Good for you...but WHY were you listening to feminists to begin with??
>>32616072you're a gay guy. you want to date a troon not a woman
>>32616072Because being nice to me isn't enough to hint that you like me. Being nice is just a base level for human behavior. I need something more than that to get the message.
>>32616072https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go6ARH4xBcU
>>32616072it is, actually. flirting comes naturally with silly jokes and double entendres. and when someone is interested, they'll laugh at the dumbest jokes and think you're the most interesting person around even when you say you like to watch paint dry. and looks really aren't the end all be all in dating. you're probably just a creep
>>32626428Right now? Not really. But in the past, it was similar interests and sense of humor>>32626440I just want cuddling/kissing and benis in bagina. Everything else is extraneous.
>>32616072It is but it takes skill to make the progression be natural. Or sometimes you can just have insane chemistry with a girl and it's obvious that you both like each other that romance just naturally develops
>>32616118Small girl butt, tall girl butt
>>32627517>I just want cuddling/kissing and benis in bagina. Everything else is extraneous.So to be clear, you don't want a relationship.
>>32628380Isn't that what relationships mostly are?
