>>33732021 #
Well blocked I’m right now but I’m hoping for an unblock
She’s said she’s not in a good headspace right now and is hoping to be doing better in a month when she gets back from a family trip. I said hope she has fun and see her in a month, she replied how optimistic and presumptuous of me. Bit of flirty back and forth about how she didn’t say I was wrong, how she was still undecided, and that I’ll just take the small win for what it was. That was two weeks ago now and the day after she read that last reply from me is when she blocked me on social media but not my number
I dunno, that was only the recent stuff but it was going so well but since I suspect she’s fearful avoidant it just feels like I picked the wrong dialogue choice in real time and I’m coping hard that I didn’t just destroy everything before we even became official

>>33732072
>but I’m hoping for an unblock
If ever there was a sign to move on with your life, that would be it.

>>33732096
I’m stubborn

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I just had a meet up with a hinge match and it was kinda bizarre. She was obviously very uncomfortable at first but warmed up quite a bit after I forced through the first awkward 15 minutes or so of conversation... although she never dropped that stilted, forced histrionic cadence like some kind of chronically online tumblrina. Idk if she is slightly autistic, but it was still really fascinating watching her let her guard down and even start holding eye contact for more than 2 seconds. It was almost endearing even, although she also didnt know how to let the conversation end and I basically had to just say "ok bye".
Towards the end she started getting political and spewed a lot of red flag leftist talking points which was a bit off putting. Besides that however she honestly was rather interesting and cute. I made her laugh really hard at one point too which was gratifying. I feel kind of bad since I sensed she might have gotten high hopes but I probably will message to tell her no thanks.

>>33732119
A lot of my Hinge dates are like that, they're noticeably uncomfortable at first then warm up after I start talking a lot.

>Towards the end she started getting political and spewed a lot of red flag leftist talking points which was a bit off putting.
idk what it is about Hinge but I meet a lot of strong leftists on there. Though, women in general tend to lean left, so maybe it's less about Hinge and more about women.

>I feel kind of bad since I sensed she might have gotten high hopes but I probably will message to tell her no thanks.
Unmatch her asap or else she might revenge report you out of spite. I have a friend who got banned that way.

>>33732034
I'm a 30 year old dude. Is a coffee/lunch date in a nearby park appropriate for a first date, or is that simply not enough?
>why not fancy dinner
I'm working nights

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Im a young buck and a trying out dressing indie sleaze-ish. I dont go outside and am not in college as of right now, no friends either. Trying out tinder after a while of not having it and ONLY have mirror pics. Not a fashionista either. What do?
>go outside
Theres nowhere to go
>what about work?
No women at work

Make it a goal to improve on your speech and writing skills. There is nothing worse than when you are with a woman, and you fuck it up when you say one thing but it means another.

how do I make my gf addicted to my cock? I've already made her coom the 2nd time we had sex together and she asked where did I learn how to eat pussy so good lol

>>33732484
Depends on the lady. Some girls appreciate a more casual first date. What is the vibe you get from the girl you're taking out?

>>33732578
>What is the vibe you get from the girl you're taking out?
She gives a down to earth, casual vibe. Don't really know too much about her yet.
>inb4 setting myself up for failure by pre-planning dates before even getting her number

>>33732484
>I'm a 30 year old dude. Is a coffee/lunch date in a nearby park appropriate for a first date, or is that simply not enough?

what is she into? whats she like?

>>33732484
First dates should always be something low effort because you never know whether they'll be any chemistry at all, you might as well get catfished. Coffee/drinks are the best. Avoid lunches/dinners so you won't end up a free meal ticket for a girl - if she suggests a restaurant for a first date, that's suspicious.

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>be 30 ( people give me 23-27yo)
>17 yo is lightly flirting
>rests her head on my shoulders
>naps next to me (puts her feet near my legs)
>hugs me and says she loved getting to know me

I don't even have a crush, but she's a fun bubbly personality and is tall and pretty. it's legal in my country if you're wondering.
Do I ask her out for something just as friends?

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I learned so much about sexual attraction and social skills, it could fit into a book, I don't know how I would share it here.

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>>33732562
>how do I make my gf addicted to my cock?
I think you just need a nice cock.
>t. I have a 7 inch brown MED BVLL cock and every girl I've been with liked it a lot.
but since I've had PE for the longest time (I now tamed it) I had to learn how to be good at fingering. (I hate eating pussy lol)

>>33732590
That's absolutely setting yourself up for successs. Women expect you to assertively plan things, at most you should only ask her for when shes available and of course if she agrees

Does anyone get here get mired every single hour of the day and every girl wants you and the next day it goes to zero? It’s like magic bros. One day I feel like a Chad the next I’m an incel. Today is one of those days I feel invincible and like 2 days ago a girl smiled at me an another started a convo.

For example my ex right now is in shambles because she can’t get over me and it’s because of the feels I gave her.

Basically I haven’t had sex since Oct 22 so I’m technically an incel now. How did you stop being needy? I always play it serious and I’m way to reserved and always acting like I don’t want the girl that mires me because I’m too selfish or afraid of rejection. Basically I’m not myself. Im 34 btw

How differently do women treat you when you're not fat assuming you're not ugly?

>>33733443
Last time I walked around shirtless a girl shouted holy shit and came up to me to feel my arms.

>>33733276
>but since I've had PE for the longest time (I now tamed it)

how?

>>33733466
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFIrip2BOgE&t=1s
I came to this conclusion before I saw his videos, but he explains it well.

We spent the night together for the first time last night. Do I need to text her first or do I wait for her to text me? I'm a bit anxious to know how she feels it went, but I know women can smell that desperation from 1000 yards.

>>33733443
doesn't matter if my wallet is fat

>>33733543
Thank her for a night together, say it was fun. If you don't text she might think it was a pump&dump type of scenario

>>33733543
did you have sex?
if yes, don't text her

>>33733554
>>33733559
We didn't have sex. Unfortunately I thought it was a good idea to drink too much. That said I did make sure she enjoyed herself by using my fingers. That seemed to go down really well at the time.

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>>33733443
They look at me with a smile and make up excuses to talk to me with stupid shit like "how do you write this name? Oh, are you waiting for the bus too?" or when they don't say anything, they come closer, almost touching me, waiting for me to take the initiative.

t. skinny, tall 187 cm, with chad jawline

>>33733274
Write a blog bro I'd read it

>>33733632
This never happened.

>>33733690
You don't believe it because I'm here, it's just that I'm introverted as fuck

>>33733253
Don’t do it you weirdo, 17 and 30 isn’t like 20 and 30, it’s legitimately creepy.

>>33733253
Do it, If you keep caring about society's judgment you will never get what you want, don't waste your opportunity

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>>33733644
Ok anon, I'm going to write a practical guide for all the anons here, it will take a few weeks, I don't know how many pages it will take, I'll need to organize it

>>33732484
Park is a weird setting for first date. Do a coffee shop. Women like to be in places with people to feel safer. Just grab a coffee at a starbucks

>>33733253
She 1000% likes you more than a friend. Dont sperg out and take it slow. But show interest back

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>>33733906
>17 and 30 isn’t like 20 and 30
just fucked a 19yo recently, Had a 16yo gf when I was 21.
there's literally no difference. A 17 is just as mature as a 19yo.
This 19 was rich (both parents were MD's) and she didn't understand the value of money.

>>33733997
>>33733906
yeah I thought so. I'm not sure if I want to pursue tho. I think I'm waiting for my oneitis to come lol
picrel is the girl btw

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>>33732034
>too jaded to go through the dating process after failed relationships and most women on dating apps genuinely just being nutcases
>horny as all hell because I haven't had sex in 3 months AND I moved out so it'd be a lot easier to hookup now
>not good looking enough for the literal hoes
what do I do?

>>33734074
>what do I do?
Looksmaxxx a bit,hit the gym , go for the mid looking hoes. Those are your option.

>>33732034
Ok, I need help
So I had a date yesterday (off the Apps, I dont really have time to go to bars). We played pool, had a drink, chatted on a bench and she looked super apprehensive, like she sat a good 50cm away from me and was almost curled up in fetal position.

After we went to starbucks and chatted some more, then she went home (after a couple hours total)
I thought I was cooked, but she's still hinting interest and talking to me, we are talking about a second date.

I'm hopeless about ever understanding women, what the hell is going on in her head? Is this the mixed signals they warned me about?

>>33734169
>Is this the mixed signals they warned me about?
Yes, women play hot and cold to get into your head like it's happening right now.

Anyone ever been to alcoholics or narcotics anonymous? I imagine it's a welcoming and social environment that could help improve social skills. The women might be questionable.

>>33733253
How do you even find yourself in situations where you're napping with 17 year olds. Like normal adults and teenagers rarely have reasons to interact in this way

>>33734074
>>horny as all hell because I haven't had sex in 3 months
hahahaha... hahaha... hahaha

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>>33734025
I guess you get these women because you don’t live in America (hell) and don’t have to deal with the literal worst of the worst when it comes to women. But how do you do it?
>>33734074
Literally me but it’s been almost 6 months

>>33732484
>>33732590
coffee dates and/or walks in the park are great first dates. Some women don't like that and I even had one get very rude over that, but for me I see it as a way to filter people out.

The kind of women I like, i.e down to earth and chill, are always fine with that. Currently seeing a girl and our first date was for coffee near a park.

>>33732978
>First dates should always be something low effort because you never know whether they'll be any chemistry at all, you might as well get catfished.
Also this, if you online-date enough you're going to get catfished. The most common scenario is a woman uses older photos and has clearly gained weight since then. I remember going for a walk in the park as a first date with another girl and when she showed up she had clearly gained weight. I knew immediately I wanted nothing more to do with her, but I didn't have the heart to just walk away, so I spent like an hour walking around with her before I came up with an excuse to leave. Even wasting an hour kind of pissed me off but I can only imagine setting up some grand date only to get catfished and you have to spend like $100 and a few hours with someone you know you don't want to see again

>>33733430
yeah. I started doing experiments and I noticed the following:
1. Most women are pretty sneaky about looking at you. When I'm walking and talking with a friend, I tend to notice a lot more women openly looking at me, probably because they think I'm distracted. Also I have a coworker who pretends I don't exist when we're walking down the hallway, but then when she thinks I'm not looking, I catch her straight staring at me
2. When I walk around with a very slight smile on my face, women are much more comfortable looking at me and even sometimes smiling at me. As an extension of this, when I'm in a good mood women seem to somehow pick up on it and are much warmer to me

>How did you stop being needy? I always play it serious and I’m way to reserved and always acting like I don’t want the girl that mires me because I’m too selfish or afraid of rejection. Basically I’m not myself. Im 34 btw
You sound a lot like me, similar age too. The only way I found to stop being needy was to juggle multiple girls at once, but that's super unhealthy and I stopped it. I don't yet have a healthy way to deal with this but I'm working on caring less.

>>33733543
There's no need to play games. I text my date the night of or morning after when I enjoyed the date, and they always respond enthusiastically. Actually in general, playing games is just going to shoot yourself in the foot. If you are an emotionally healthy man, just follow your intuition with these things and you'll usually be right.

>>33733430
this never happened

>>33734639
yeah, yurop.
>But how do you do it?
I just started joined a voluntary work group, this summer they did a summer camp think, I went as a monitor. The girls were also monitors btw.

>>33734760
I did text her in the end. Less than enthusiastic response, but agreed to do it again. Put me in a complete bad mood.

the last time anyone expressed an interest in me was over 14 years ago. By most measures that people like to use, I'm successful, but I'm not happy, and everything feels so pointless and superficial almost all the time. I don't know what I can do other than to keep focusing on career, finances, hobbies, and health as I have been and just hope real change happens.

>>33732119
You should put her through a humiliation ritual. See if she is really committed. Get her to streak with black lives matter free palestine and fuck jews all painted on her body and then fuck her while using hiter's language.

>>33734025
>tits that big for a 17yo
Where the hell do you live czechia?

I have been cold approaching for two weeks now regularly
Most times I go out for at least an hour at a time
And what I have found is that the first approach is the hardest
Like you make up excuses not to do that very first one for the day
But once you just dive in, you get a pump of adrenaline and dopamine that makes like the next 4-5 super easy
Then after you have that high, the cute girls stop appearing for a while and you begin to cool off.
Then it gets hard again.

So far, I've been managing to get many instas but only a few that convert to anything.
But it seems much better than trying to find anything good on a dating app.

>>33732119
>not wanting a borderline histrionic tumblrina
what are you, gay?

>>33735629
Cold approach doesn't work, go to events, see which girl sends signs of interest, and approach her, the chances will be better

I'm already looking forward to Halloween. Even if I don't get invited to any parties, I plan to go to a few events with costume contests.

>>33732034
Is there a chart to refernce for traits of women bros how do i identify a potential clingy gf

>>33735685
I think all that matters is volume
If you talk to 1000 girls no matter where, you will have a high chance of success
if there's an event theoretically the girls will have a higher chance of liking you, sure.
but the amount of events is low, like I know I could go to two events every weekend
And what? I'll talk to maybe like 10 girls? Over two days.

Wheras with cold approach you can talk to 10 girls in an hour. So best practice, is to do both I'd say.

>no clear signs a woman is attracted to me
>no hinge matches
>no tinder matches
>no okcupid matches
>never had a gf
Should I just ropey rope?

>Been single for a long ass time
>Last 12 months or so have been the worst on record
>Genuinely suicidal at several points for different reasons
>Decide one day that the better option is to actually put myself out there a bit (with apps) and see if I can actually make a go of my life
>Don't consider myself that ugly, but I have low self confidence, so do expect to get a few matches at least
>But this time I'm going to be like women have always been with me - not giving a fuck
>To my surprise get more than a few matches
>Do carry out my threat of not giving a fuck
>This feels so much better
>First person I meet won't be anything special, they'll just be there to remind me of how to do things
>Meet first person
>A long term relationship is basically impossible with them
>Go on like 3 dates with her
>Make excuses not to go on dates with anyone else
>Feel the old me coming back where I'm going to get doormatted and fall in love with her
I'm such a fucking loser it's unreal.

>>33734169
>We played pool, had a drink, chatted on a bench and she looked super apprehensive, like she sat a good 50cm away from me and was almost curled up in fetal position.
That's normal, one thing I've learned is women are really, really shy, especially around men they're attracted to. A friend of mine who looks like a Chad was telling me about his date was so nervous she dropped her fork. I myself look decent and my cute normally super confident chatty coworker often gets nervous around me, yet she's always trying to talk or hang out.

Also once I went on a date and she sat on the complete opposite end of the couch from me, it was kind of funny. Later that night we ended up hooking up. Also recently went on a date where her legs accidentally touched mine and she apologized, as if we were friends or something and physical touch was inappropriate. She ended up kissing me later that night and we're going to see each other soon.

All of that to say, a lot of women won't necessarily jump all over you even when they're attracted to you.

>>33735846
where do you go for cold approachs?

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Know that despite how much you make an ass out of yourself you'll still be okay.

>>33735928
Thanks Zach. I'm sorry for calling you retarded a few threads back

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girls always duck eye contact in the halls / out and about - notice they don't do this with other dudes

I ask questions in class , girls are staring, I turn my head , heads immediately look down

worth noting Im short and hispanic

its so over isn't it

>>33735924
shopping districts where there's a lot of shops outdoors
basically where girls go shopping

>>33735961
It's okay. It's the internet. I'm used to it.

I hit it off with this girl and we've been going on dates and they were really good and she's really sweet and whatever but my one issue with her is that her jawline and chin are not great, should I continue or look for someone else?

>>33736237
if a gigachad jawline is what you consider important in a partner than better to break things off quickly then drag it out.

>>33733443
People in general treat you like a person more the fitter you are.

How do I convince myself that I can get a gf.
I haven’t really tried again in almost two years. I think if I just convince myself that it will happen, even if it’s irrational, I have better odds of trying and succeeding.

After getting a woman's number, how often should we be communicating? Am I suddenly going to be expected to be doing daily texts right away?

>>33736367
I never said it has to be THAT defined but her jaw bone is definitely not as good as most girl's. She's still kinda cute though but that is a big flaw for me for some reason.

I've been going to a tennis social, and there's a bunch of cute girls there. How do I talk to them and make a move without things getting awkward?

There's a bunch of courts at the social, so you show up and queue for your turn on the courts with other people. Obviously, I could queue up and start a convo with them, but where do I go from there?

>>33736798
Also, would it be weird if I followed someone from there on insta from my suggested? I've got a bunch of them on there, and we have mutuals.

Or is it better to ask for insta in person?

28 years old virgin man here. Honestly I have never approached a woman in my life because I seek love, not sex. I am not sure how I am supposed to find a suitable mate. Other men out there, what are your criteria? Do you distinguish between ONS and LTRs or you just seek sex, and then let things develop into a relationship? What is a "girlfriend material" to you? There are so many women out there, how do you make your choice? Personally I'm static because I don't want to have regrets or make anyone disappointed. All I know is attractiveness isn't enough, lots of women are attractive and beauty decays with age anyway.
So when you are out for a "hunt" what's on your mind exactly? What type of woman makes the average man think "ok let's try to talk to her"?

How do I meet Nazi girls?

I'm a nerdy, fairly autistic guy. I'm relatively successful (somewhat high income, in a good grad school program part time, tall & in good shape, etc) and have been on a few dates, but I just haven't met anyone I've connected with at all. It feels like I need to just hide any nerdy interest and pretend to be someone else to get that 1st date then continue doing so to get a 2nd or further date, which is just miserable to me personally.
Is there anywhere that is generally good to meet single women who are either nerdy/have shared interests or that are at least passively ok with dating someone that likes fantasy, sci fi, anime, and whatever else? Basically anything I do is vast majority dudes and all the women I meet are either with their bf/husband or are lesbians.

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>>33736961
>So when you are out for a "hunt" what's on your mind exactly? What type of woman makes the average man think "ok let's try to talk to her"?

She sends some cues , I think "oh she might be receptive to convo", say hi - see if we click , if we don't no hard feelings , nobody is gonna push for sleeping with you if u dont want it

You think you can have this huge laundry list as a 28yo virgin kek - the game changed from under your feet like 5 years ago unc @ covid

If you actually tried you would realize the numbers game is the best way to play it , what is "girlfriend material" the girl who is STILL into me after 3 dates - THEN you can start perhaps evaluating her character or whatever and decide what to do.

This whole hit a home run on a first bat is just a lie you tell yourself to avoid trying.


>>33737641
there are but are YOU physically into them is the question as well , you're expecting tiffany with a tight ass from the suburbs who grew up a little nerdy? Those e-girl tier whores know their value in that market and are playing dudes or get snatched up quick

You find an asian girl into you in a heart beat if you actually tried (only ones who would be ok with anime) - but no you probably automatically exclude that

Join a uni , join their anime clubs, see if any girls flock to you, join discord , post face pics and whatnot see if any girls take the bait , idk

>>33736974
elitist/mean girls private school girls in the suburbs are the closest thing, but you can't actually bond over Nazi-ism - just being a chad / better than the poors.

>>33736798
>How do I talk to them and make a move without things getting awkward?
You can ask if anyone is looking for a doubles partner or someone to rally with, or just identify one person you would be interested in talking to and introducing yourself, ask them questions like how long they’ve been playing tennis, where they’re from, etc. Just break the ice and see where the conversation goes from there. As for “making a move” your goal should be to ask for a number so you can make plans for a date outside of the club, which you can do if you feel a conversation is going well enough to suggest meeting up outside of tennis.
>>33736802
It would only really be weird if you follow them without having spoken to them first unless you follow it up in their DMs. If they can place your name and face outside the context of this tennis club you should be fine though.

>>33737737
>She sends some cues , I think "oh she might be receptive to convo", say hi - see if we click ,
Don't recall this ever happening more than once, kid. And I wasn't interested in her because she definitely didn't look like a woman I would like by my side. Plainly put she was a slut. I'm not interested in sluts.
>If you actually tried you would realize the numbers game is the best way to play it ,
Sounds inhumane to me, I won't treat dating like that, or take advantage of sluts. Because the ones you click with immediately with are promiscuous women looking for sex. not normal women.

>>33738042
ffs sake bro - taking advantage of what? It's just two people feeling each other out if they connect at all, you understand she has to like you to have sex with you right?

U already unsufferable and acting high and mighty - you won't even get this far and you acting like its a lock / in the bag. Girls are fickle AF , they can change their mind halfway in a convo just like that.

You just mentally ill , nobody reply to this guy

>>33736961
really, you don't get to choose. if you are lucky, they choose you, and then you rationalize her flaws away and convince yourself that she's a good fit because a lucid part of you understands it could be your literal only chance ever.

honestly this is how most relationships in the past have worked, because divorce was not an option. so you made the best of what you had, learned to appreciate the other person.

get it out of your head that you get to have standards as an average guy in 2025, you do not. or if you want to have standards, you have to first make peace with the fact that your odds of success are vanishingly small and that you can be comfortable on your own.

>>33737641
the problem with "nerdy girls" is they they are perpetually embedded in nerdy spaces where they will be showered with attention from nerdy guys. if they were into nerdy guys in the first place, they would not be single, because they would find a suitor almost immediately. that being said, i think young women nowadays are far more likely than you think to have at least some exposure to "nerdy" things like games anime kpop whatever. i also have this impulse to "hide" these things too but i don't think it is productive.

>>33738050
You are pretending to not understand what I wrote. I asked how to identify suitable women for LTRs, you replied that I should follow "the numbers game" and basically fish in murky waters. Completely ignoring the fact that I never asked "how to get sex" or anything like that. Sit back zoomie, I'll wait for a real man to answer.

>>33738095
>get it out of your head that you get to have standards as an average guy in 2025, you do not. or if you want to have standards, you have to first make peace with the fact that your odds of success are vanishingly small and that you can be comfortable on your own.
This seems overly pessimistic, there are definitely women out there looking for marriage and not interested in partying around. The question is how to find them because they don't wear shirts with written "hey im not a slut". I guess I'm going to date a multitude of women until I find the right one. But I'm not having sex with them just to "get to know them", that's the inner beast talking. You need to connect with someone before having sex or it will be a meaningless act of pleasure.

>>33738154
the dating dynamic you are dreaming of has not existed for decades. 60% young men are single, you need significant luck or above average looks to even get your foot through the door. the minuscule number of "trad" women you dream of does exist but will not be interested in (You). Nobody, slut or not, is going to be offering you sex any time soon.

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>>33738182
nta but are there any that are not feminist shitlibs? The only ones I ever seem to come across are these types, and I can't stand it, especially after my last relationship blew up because she was so feminist and politicsbrained.

>>33738182
> 60% young men are single,
Half if not most of them are fucking around so that statistic is meaningless. The incels are like 5-10% max.

>>33738204
Why do delusional roasties even come here to peddle their nonsense? You are unfit to analyze dating dynamics because to you the average man is invisible. What your distorted brain has convinced you is "average" is actually the very top men, and what you think are "creeps" and "incels" and "losers" is actually the large majority of normal ass dudes. They're not "fucking around", they're not getting anything, not even a crumb of attention, let alone sex. It's not your fault, you're wired that way, but please rely on actual data rather than your skewed perception, for once.

>>33738219
I'm a man, you schizo.
All I'm saying is true incels are not as common as you pretend them to be. The issues they face ARE NOT the same the average man on a dry streak faces. By saying "but uhhh 60% of men are single!!11" you are actually doing a disservice to incels because you downplay and generalize their problems
All sigma types like Tates do is basically weaponizing incels. You don't give a shit about them, you're just a sex-haver that wants more sex.

>>33738252
Right, then I'm sure you will imminently provide data supporting your claim that 90% of young men are routinely having sex.

The problems are not being downplayed, they are monumental, generalized and terminal, for all but the top men (and frankly, women as well). Monogamy is disappearing in all first world countries, as shown by birth rates, divorce rates, and so on.

Men are not to blame for this new social dynamic. Neither are women, frankly. It is a lot of factors together. The point is that it would be beneficial to every single man's mental health to stop taking for granted that this "lifelong fulfilling relationship" will eventually happen if you try hard enough, looksmaxx enough, or wait long enough, because for many, it won't. That time has gone.

And it is not so bad, it is only bad because people cling to outdated cultural ideals.

>>33738342
>then I'm sure you will imminently provide data supporting your claim that 90% of young men are routinely having sex.
Why wouldn't they? Having sex once in, like, 6 months doesn't mean that there is a loneliness epidemic. Actually having sex with 2-3 women per year is pretty good and I'm convinced most males either get that or have a stable girlfriends.
The only ones who aren't having any sort of intimacy are
1. The true incels
2. Married men (!!!) in dead bedrooms (no one cares about them for some reason, but they aren't getting any pussy!)
>The problems are not being downplayed, they are monumental, generalized and terminal, for all but the top men (and frankly, women as well). Monogamy is disappearing in all first world countries, as shown by birth rates, divorce rates, and so on.
Monogamy is disappearing because men fell to the sexual revolution psyop. They have been convinced that they could do much better than fucking the same wife for the rest of their lives. Instead most of them thirst on onlyfans and get some obese ugly woman every now and then. This is still enough to satisfy and cultivate most men's egos, btw. And this is why the tide hasn't turned and never will turn. The ones who really are fucked are the incels calling for a cultural shift/revolution.
>And it is not so bad, it is only bad because people cling to outdated cultural ideals.
and let's hear it, what would the "progressive" cultural ideas be?

>>33738342
realistically if more than 50% of men weren't getting regular sex heads would already be rolling

>>33738490
Most males do not have sex with 2 or 3 women a year lmfao.

>>33738583
yeah most of them have a gf =)

Is being bald in your early 20s a death sentence for dating these days? I can’t really pull off the bald bearded tough guy look everyone says to do since I’m a skinny artsy fag, and I can’t grow much more facial hair than just stubble.

>>33738712
>I’m a skinny artsy fag,

I get it bro - but push will come to shove eventually, you identify as a skinny art fag but push will come to shove eventually and you'll realize its just not worth it from a disrespect perspective so u will pivot away, question is how much suffering between here and there? Just start studying training and put together a better diet at minimum - you won't blow up in a week or a few months or anything

Keep a stubble , just keep it maintained

>>33738739
>disrespect
>suffering
I mean, nobody’s out here being disrespectful or hostile towards me for being bald, if that’s what you mean. And I’m not super angsty about being bald either. I was more just wondering if maybe getting a hair system or something would help me odds on the dating scene, since I’m sure at the very least it’d make me more confident. I go to the gym a little bit but I never really make many gains or seem to put on a noticeable amount of muscle. I just have a naturally very lean build. As for the art fag thing, that’s more to do with my personality and general demeanor. I’d feel like a huge poser trying to come off like some kind of hardass; it’s just not who I am.

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How important is driving to women? I can drive but I strongly prefer to not drive with passengers and I also hate driving on highways and heavy traffic. I get the feeling A LOT of women want the man to do all the driving. Am I screwed if I refuse? It doesn't help either that I am autistic. I remember being in the car once with my friend and his wife and he was driving with one hand on the wheel and the other on his wife's leg or whatever. We were in traffic and on the highway. I remember thinking "How the fuck is he not freaking out? I'd be on the verge of panic attack tears." Help.

>>33735851
what have you done to improve your situation? I used to have very few matches on dating apps, then I hit the gym for like 2 years and now I've gotten more matches in a week than I have my entire time before.

>>33736237
>>33736367
a defined jawline is a universal mark of beauty in both men and women, for men it's supposed to be flatter and for women it's supposed to be more angled. Amber Heard for example has a well-defined jawline as do most celebrities.

I'm in the same boat as you >>33736237, I have a nice jawline and I don't want to dilute my genetics with a woman who doesn't have one. IMO, you should break it off with her, and also you shouldn't have even been going on dates with her in the first place since you feel strongly about it (same as I).

>>33736685
>She's still kinda cute though but that is a big flaw for me for some reason.
It's not "some reason", if your kids end up with a shitty jawline you're just making life harder for them

>>33737641
> It feels like I need to just hide any nerdy interest and pretend to be someone else to get that 1st date then continue doing so to get a 2nd or further date, which is just miserable to me personally.
Most modern women are totally fine with anime, it's mainstream now anyway. Sci fi/fantasy are totally normal too. I've mentioned all of these things on the first date. Even if they think it's kind of weird (which is unlikely), they're always willing to overlook it if they like you enough.

As a more extreme example I've told multiple very liberal, anti-gun girls that I own a gun (usually on the 2nd date) and that I believe in the 2nd amendment. While they've expressed disagreement, they never really care beyond that.

That's why I think this has more to do with the way you're talking about your interests than the interests themselves. It's fine to talk about your favorite scifi/fantasy book if you can talk about it in a fun, interesting way, but if you're boring them with the details then it's not a problem of scifi/fantasy, but that you're boring.

>>33732034
I am 23 years old and I have come to realize that I am completely loathed or ignored by all women. I walk around my college campus and I can't help but feel I am so invisible to all the women here. Whenever I have initiated the first move they are obviously creeped out and caught totally off guard and leave fast/act like they are busy . Whenever I ask for a number they either say no thanks or give it to me and ghost immediately. Getting the courage to even approach a girl is extremely difficult in itself because I don't wanna be seen as a creep but I've been rejected so many times now that even when I initiate I'm very hesitant to continue on conversations and get her number unless she shows obvious big interest, which never happens. In other words, I have lost confidence and hope. I guess I am just extremely offputting to women. I am 5'8", good muscle, probably 7/10 in looks, is that just not enough for women in my age group at college? I don't get it. Is my approach wrong?? I don't feel like I'm coming across as too needy. For example-- today I saw a girl I liked leaving class and said I like your braids and acted so weirded out "....uh.. thanks?" Was her response and I just didn't even continue talking to her from there

Can someone please explain to me the game? Am I most likely just too ugly for must girls in my age group?

Relate heart to heart not mind to mind.

>>33738490
>and let's hear it, what would the "progressive" cultural ideas be?

In lieu of the family, you could have children raised entirely by the state, or no children at all. The people could find fulfillment in other avenues than raising kids such as escapism (porn, vidya), artistry, meditation, whatever. The family unit was never a device for the maximization of human happiness, it was just a thing that made societies much stronger, so ones without monogamy got out-competed. You have to also confront the fact that most labor is also obsolete in the first world, as evidenced by the enormous proportion of slopjobs that totally do not need to exist. We could be transitioning to a way of living that has not existed before due to all of these unique circumstances.

>>33738524
In other times, this would be true, but modern escapism methods are powerful enough to placate these men, at least for the moment. They're getting better and better too, with AI managing to provide some form of companionship and possibly sexual fulfillment as well.

The other reason men haven't "risen" in the way you speak is because of threads like this where people try to convince them that it's their fault, that they just need to "improve themselves", to distract them from the fact that the system itself has changed.

"heads rolling" amounts to reverting women's sexual liberation, which is quite the ask. It will take major unrest to mobilize men to strive for this outcome (yes, more than 50% of men not getting any poon)

>>33738712
Kind of in your boat and i went bald and everybody says that "it suits me" and that "i look better" but I can tell that women are not attracted to it. Whether i'd be doing better with what little is left of my hair is up for debate, but yeah it's kind of a death sentence desu, since modern "dating" is all about looks.

>>33738490
I don't know if you're trolling or not, but a simple Google search would show you that the male loneliness epidemic is very real. More and more young men are not only single and sexless, but dropping out of society in general.

Some will blame this on women and say it's because they have unrealistically high standards, but most don't. I think that women in the past had to drop their standards because they needed a man to survive, but now that women are independent with their own income and residence, they no longer need to drop their standards.

The women I've seen have reasonable standards - they want a man who has a decent job, is well groomed, and reasonably sociable. I've seen men say "well I make decent money, why can't I find a woman" and it's like because you're chubby and boring?

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>>33732034
how do I meet scene girls? Where do they hang out and how do I initiate a conversation with one when I find her?

>>33739537
She's gonna end up being 14 lying to you she is 23 and you're gonna end up being on a sex offenders list if you have sex with her. Not worth it.

>>33739551
I only go to 18+ events that check IDs. The older ones typically have tattoos so its easy to tell.

>>33738125
Nta but for fucks sake you're stupid. Having a goal of mutual love and intentionality in a relationship is fine, its just exceedingly uncommon. Its especially more difficult because what you value in a partner is different than what i do and what the other anon does. This wont just fall into your lap and you wont just know what good qualities are without learning how to read people. You HAVE to interact with enough women to get a chance at figuring out what you want and finding someone who fits the bill. So yes, it is a numbers game you fool

>>33739436
>simple Google search

Psyop blogs designed to push a certain narrative are not valid sources of information and that's where most of this "male loneliness epidemic" spiel comes from. Aside from the fact that the stats being cited did not ask participants specifically if they were having sex but if they were in a relationship (and surprise, surprise, most women aside from a minor collection of bar-hopping hoes, tend to prefer sex in relationships with one guy), the statistic being cited is also from 2018 i.e. almost a decade old now. The reality is that the male loneliness/sexlessness epidemic does not exist except to perpetually online incels who will latch onto any bit of information that seems to imply that they aren't an anomaly that's sabotaging themselves by avoiding dating.

>>33739850
we're still eagerly awaiting your evidence to the contrary. surely not every provider of such data are in on the psyop conspiracy?

can you also please explain what the engineers of this psyop have to gain from pushing the male loneliness "lie" ?

>>33739359
When you say women arent attracted to it, can you elaborate on that? How can you tell?

>>33740423
NTA, but women have specifically told me "you'd be attractive if you had hair"

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I’m conventionally attractive but don’t go out for pics or do things to put on my dating profile. I mean there’s just nothing to do. So I’m stuck taking slightly dirty mirror pics cropped from the shoulders up (im lean but skinny). What do i do? The style is kinda there, im building it

>>33740423
Well to be honest the evidence is flimsy. I've just started doing a little speed dating and there are several occurrences of apparent good chemistry and similar lifestyles yielding no match, so I infer it's a lack of attraction at play.

There's also data showing women don't like baldness on men in general unless you fit a specific archetype (i don't). They also don't like beards. The popular ripped lumberjack aesthetic that's trending right now isn't really something that women like, actually.

>>33740281
No, some are just gullible idiots. And then there is glowie shills like you pushing a sex war/demoralisation campaign.

>>33740441
>>33740446
Ah well, fuck me then I guess. Maybe I just gotta wait until my late 20s or early 30s when more guys my age are starting to go bald so I don’t stand out in a bad way as much.
>There's also data showing women don't like baldness on men in general unless you fit a specific archetype
You got a source on this?

>>33737991
Okay, say I make a move, and they don't reciprocate. Won't things get awkward? Most people at this social sort of know each other, so that makes things tricky. I don't wanna get the rep of being the guy who's chasing women. Also, I am a bit afraid of being considered creepy.

I used to give 100% to women and I think it looked desperate and simp-ish. Through learned experience I started just giving less shits and maybe at best put out 40% effort and found that I was treated better and got what I wanted easier and if I didn't i'd just dump them and move on. Kind of confusing for my logical autismo brain but hey if I give less and get treated better i'll take it.

>>33740952
>I am a bit afraid of being considered creepy.
This is an insecurity. Don't approach and immediately ask them on a date, the first step would just be breaking the ice and maybe getting her insta or something. Also you can talk to other men there too. even if you are ultimately trying to find a GF, you still need to build a social circle there with everyone not just women

>>33741076
Stuff like this makes me sad. What's even the point then? I don't want a partner who doesn't like that I love them.
Women truly are horrible creatures.

>>33741076
>>33742200
Can't blame em. If you're putting her on a pedestal, you're below her. Barring mental health problems, she needs a man she can look up to and feel safe with. The ones that didn't get the ick from the opposite got outreproduced.
Doesn't mean you can't love her, and passionately, but you need to let your masculine energy make an appearance often enough and let unmasculine slips happen rarely enough, depending on the woman and her environment.
Same thing with women being unfeminine.

>>33740932
>gotta wait
False, as everyone always says it's a numbers game, the earlier you start the better your chances. "Your value goes up with age" is a big fat cope.

>You got a source on this?
it was like this youtube channel on attractiveness that talks about a lot of factors in depths. I didn't check their sources myself though.

>>33741076
Why does everybody talk about "effort"? Why is this a thing? I don't put any "effort" into my friends, and they're still my friends, decades later.

>She's so nice and cute and cuddly and kissy when we're together
>In texts she seems like she barely gives a shit
Why's she like this? It's really hard to work her out because of it.

>>33742379
Literally my ex. It was nearly impossible to have a conversation about any interesting topic with her. She was basically only in it for the affection/sex/intimacy and I got tired of being a kink and cuddle dispenser with no intellectual connection.