what do you provide to a woman actually though? are you a decent conversationalist? are you thoughtful? witty? charming? women can make their own money, buy their own cars and houses, make their own friends.

what do you actually bring to the table besides prenup, sex pestering, and expectations?

>>33953249
Normally the besy way is friends, but you don't have any so I'd recommend dating websites (eHarmony, OkCupid, etc), they normally attract more serious people than dating apps. For both remember that the whole point of talking is to ask them on a date, nobody wants to chat forever with a stranger

The least attractive thing is a young man parroting the talking points of old men because he's a npc.

>>33953334
33 isn’t a young man unc

>>33953249
>I feel like I've been lied to
Yep. You have.
>What the fuck is this?
Feminist society. You weren't supposed to listen to those people, they were actively trying to eliminate the competition. Society is a joke, we're animals and you need to study animal sociology to understand where you went wrong. Start with Chimpanzee Politics, Power and Sex among Apes and thank the gods you learned this in your early 30s instead of your late 40s after three relationships with 4s and 5s that failed because you kept falling for the feminist lie of equality like I did.

>>33953309
>they normally attract more serious people than dating apps
Not anymore. They've all changed to follow the App model. All the dating sites got bought up by the same corporations that bought up the apps and have no intention of losing their customer base to satisfying and permanent relationships.

>>33953345
Somehow he's less attractive than the least attractive thing. Amazing

>>33953249
Holy fuck you just made me realize something.

All the 'jeet women at my last workplace ARE KILLING THE WHITE BIRTH RATE.

FUCK YOU VISA WORKERS AND CORPORATIONS FUKC YOU!!!!

All of those fucking QA positions should have been filled with white women. I hate greedy fucks so fucking much for doing this.

>33953437
>xhe thinks I’m op

Sorry it’s hard to come to terms with being old lel

It’s over desu

How do you not have any friends? What do you do for fun?

>>33953249
>"don't chase women
Yeah, but that doesn't mean never try, never talk to women, never flirt, or never ask one out. It means exactly what it says: don't CHASE women, especially ones who are obviously not interested in you.
>and they will chase you".
Yeah sure...IF they like you. Why would any of them like you though? What have you done to make yourself likable enough to chase?
The advice you parrot was good, the problem is you didn't understand it.

>>33953249
> focus on yourself

They weren’t talking about money or material wealth. You missed the point entirely.

>>33953249
Time to geomax.

>>33953861
Don't gaslight the man. He's right about everything he said, the dating landscape is fucked though.

>>33953258
why is op ignoring the fibbby pibby

>>33953948
He is the table

>>33953948
>what do I bring to to the table

Financial security, money and stability I guess? But as you said, women already have that now so I just feel like I wasted my life

I’m not chad so I had do the the improooovement grind, but idk I feel like I’m a relic of a forgotten time. So, I guess nothing really. Just feels like I deserve *something* for sacrificing my youth you get me
>inb4 le entitled to women chud
I sacrificed my LIFE to get to the top of the mountain and there’s nothing here. Stfu

>>33953249
Just go to Thailand or Vietnam for cheap hot pussy or maybe try your luck at a bar / club.

File: tinder 2 million.jpg (196 KB, 1759x1129)

196 KB JPG

>>33953258
OP mentioned he matched with 3 fugly slampigs and they wouldn't even want to meet for a coffee, how can he show what he brings to the table, are you retarded?

>>33954005
I guess it's time for community based actions
indirect/secondary scouting. go to some library events, markets, workshops, volunteer, etc.
that's where the homely, pleasant, worthwhile, genuine ladies are. not exactly babes but wifey material.
good for the soul too or something idk

>>33954018
NOT church but specifically library/community centre stuff.

>>33954018
I went on a week long holiday to some place that has heaps of national parks. There was one with a cave system you could take guided tours. The national park ranger lady that did my group was an enchantress, by the end I was smitten only after a couple of hours. Just when I didn't think she could get any more my type she started talking about staying up late that night to go and watch the aurora and I went weak at the knees.
Wish I could have said something, anything, but the idea of flirting makes my skin crawl.

Bro, even with all your accolades.. you just come across as bitter and entitled. If an autist like me can sense it, than women no doubt can

Do shit for u. Not because you thought it would grant you women or a job or whatever unc

File: 83hffragg5me1.jpg (43 KB, 640x397)

43 KB JPG

>>33953249
looks like you minmaxed the wrong attributes. got an 8 on status but 0 on social skills. anon, try to focus on the features what makes you a human being, like being good to your friends otherwise you're NGMI better not to work on these things in isolation

>>33954109
>Wish I could have said something, anything, but the idea of flirting makes my skin crawl.
Why? You guys are your own worst enemies.
>meet the girl of my dreams
>am repulsed by the idea of talking to her
You are not well if this is your thinking process.

>>33954005
>Financial security, money and stability I guess?
Ok, so let's say you actually provide this. So? That just means if a woman goes for you only for that one reason, she doesn't actually like YOU. She likes what you provide. Incels always seem to fall into one of two camps. Either they resent the concept of "beta bux" and get mad if women expect them not to be total NEETs...or their Plan A IS to become a beta bux and then they get mad when it doesn't work. You are clearly the second type.
>I sacrificed my LIFE to get to the top of the mountain and there’s nothing here.
You did it for the wrong reason, you should have been doing it for yourself.

Redpill has ruined millions of mens lives lmao

>>33954005
>I sacrificed my LIFE to get to the top of the mountain and there’s nothing here.
There's much to learn about the journey you went through to get there. You worked hard, spent your money wisely, you have a house, a house serves as an undeniable proof of your commitment and consistency. You neglected the practice of forming meaningful relationships and courting women. Ok, that's a fact. If you recognize that, it's good. But now what? What can you do with that information (besides complaining on the internet about it)? Look at your situations from different angles so you can gain new insights about how can you move towards. Avoid dwelling in useless thoughts that'll only make you more miserable.
>"I shouldn't have listed to X. I wasted my life."
It's a useless way of thinking that don't leaves space for learning or solving anything. Instead, you can see it as:
>"Now I know that blindly following authority figures isn't that helpful. What can I do with the tools I have at my disposal?"
If your current struggle is women, strategically access the situation. No blaming the people around, or past you, but understanding that all the decisions that you took, for whatever reason, were the most reasonable decisions to take at the time. Find new mountains to climb and new peaks to reach.

Did you try dating guys? I mean you at least have to start somewhere getting into the dating game. Getting hands-on experience this way will give you new perspectives into yourself that would surprise you on a completly new level

>>33953249
>Literally what the fuck do women want anymore
They want Chad. If you don't have Chad genes you can fuck off. The sooner you understand this the better. Forget about women, just goon, and if you want a woman really really bad, find one from a poor country

>>33954701
What a loser lmao

>>33953249
You would have been rolling around on naked oiled women if they didn't say that. It's all their fault.

>>33954248
>strategically access the situation
not OP but sorta similar. 31, above average salary for area. live outside the city, but fairly close. friends are mostly losers who can't help on the woman front. outside of paying for dating apps or cold approaching at bars. not sure what to do. I'm tall and handsome, but definitely a bit of a sperg.
genuinely unsure of what to do to better my odds.

>>33954701
icl when I say that the idea of getting a slav mail-order bride sounds amazing (it would be fucked up and she would probably cheat on me if she was hot because those women are psychotic)

>>33953249
Women want more that can be realistically provided. Don't feel bad that you can't satisfy a bunch of brats.

>>33953249
>My entire life the adult "mentor" figures told me in more words or fewer "don't chase women, focus on yourself and they will chase you".
If you weren't able to figure out by around age 16 that this simply wasn't true, that's your problem.

Especially when "focus on yourself" meant "become a nobody with no interests or lifestyle beyond just homework and then regular work once you graduate"

>>33953258
>>33953391
non-useful posts

>>33953345
youngish
>>33953601
fuck off
>>33953606
OP should answer this, might help get a real answer

>>33953249
Haha that meme describes every gym rat over 30

>>33955423
As a gym rat over 30, I take slight offense to that.

I was able to blindly fall backwards into some sex here and there in the last few minutes of high school and then into college. I had that perfect twink body that emo & goth girls love. I went to parties and concerts and music festivals and hung out at people's apartments and had birthday dinner parties etc.

Then I got into gaming, and drinking, and suddenly I was skinnyfat. Also I started balding.

Now I have no choice but to evolve into a meat mountain, the emo boi twink years are a lifetime ago.

>>33955478
>Now I have no choice
that's never the case, anon

but it sounds like it would suck to go from twink to average

>>33953391
Most realistic post here. Suffice to say the simplest way to put it, OP, is that men and women are not equal. You're supposed to rule and provide direction and command, not treat her like another woman would treat her.

>>33955542
nigger

>>33953249
The statistics are blown way out of proportion, OP. Men are no longer the breadwinners and women no longer want families or children, which doesn't leave us with much that we provide - men generally provide resources, stability and protection - now the women have their own resources and the State protects them, which leaves us with stability and/or the inevitable betabux meme, which they don't find particularly attractive, just useful.

Relationships between men and women have always been transactional and men don't have anything that we provide. Striving to become one of the top 10% of men isn't realistic in a global marketplace of 8 billion people, either. The unfortunate reality is that the nature of society is likely to change entirely before we ever go back to things being right between men and women.

>>33955594
>Relationships between men and women have always been transactional
glowie

people have always fallen in love

File: 1706547489592824.jpg (706 KB, 1284x1231)

706 KB JPG

>>33955594
>Striving to become one of the top 10% of men isn't realistic in a global marketplace of 8 billion people, either.
human beings aren't cattle in a marketplace with stats
relating to people in a transactional way leads to resentment
you're a glowie

>>33955600
>He thinks life is a fucking Disney movie
The literal, original historical basis for marriage was transactional, between the men who would go on to found Rome and the Sabines, who they saved from slavery and ownership at the hands of Barbarians. The agreement was that the women would enter into marriage and submit to the control of the men if the men would fight and die for their protection.

Love works for some tiny minority of people who get lucky, sure - but you're talking about feelings, something that can't be statistically quantified or relied on or improved. Relying on luck for the perpetuation of your species is a good way to go extinct. We need something more concrete and realistic than love that men can aspire to and get better at - you can't get better at making someone love you.

>inb4 giving them stuff, taking them on trips
That's the transactional part, not making someone love you.

>>33955617
>Love works for some tiny minority of people who get lucky, sure - but you're talking about feelings, something that can't be statistically quantified or relied on or improved.
neither can anything else
you can't fuck a statistical monolith "women" and you shouldn't try to, you'll just feel like you're working in the coal mines with the possible reward of someone you can't relate to but who "matches" you perfectly
it's supposed to be something which ENHANCES your life, there's no point otherwise. on that i think we'd agree

>>33955617
>We need something more concrete and realistic than love that men can aspire to and get better at - you can't get better at making someone love you.
idk man, i appreciate what you're saying
it just seems reductionist

i don't know how to describe what the alternative is

i wish i knew

>>33955630
We're not here discussing the nature of love, Anon, we're here discussing the OP. OP asked how he's supposed to get a woman. Do you have any actual advice on how to make a woman love you or not? You're talking a lot about what people shouldn't do, but that doesn't help with the discussion about what OP should do.

If relationships aren't transactional, as you suggest, then what physical and direct action can men take that will foster love? If you can't answer that, then you're not contributing anything useful to the discussion.

>>33955643
>If relationships aren't transactional, as you suggest, then what physical and direct action can men take that will foster love? If you can't answer that, then you're not contributing anything useful to the discussion.
you're right

pisses me off how the other guy was posting youtube channel links with "society is a joke" sentiment
i think that probably leads somewhere worse than wherever OP is now

>>33955377
Do you want me to spell it out?
My father filled my head with all the same nonsense feminized shit growing up: women want love, you're a creep for wanting sex, if you just go talk to a woman and ask her for her number, she'll think you only want one thing. I was in my late 30s before I finally cold-asked out a woman I hadn't been set up with by friends. When I called back she said point blank she wouldn't go on a second date with me because I didn't act like I wanted to have sex with her on the first (I'd tried "getting to know her" explicitly so she wouldn't think I only wanted sex). Women want to be desired. (Not long after, my parents got divorced and I found out that my father had been cheating on my mother for decades, so he CERTAINLY knew better. He wanted me to fail because I looked like my mother's side of the family and he hated them.)
Forget whatever your male mentor figures told you about women wanting someone who loves them for them. Women want success, status, and security and they always want more, but they're driven by desire first, the rest comes after.
Women don't say what they want so don't listen to them or to the rest of the feminized society who repeat the same things, especially men who are "looking out for you". Everything you were taught by feminized society was a trick to weed out the competition.
You're in your early 30s, you're stable, you have a career. Get a job and some hobbies that require you to leave your house and be active somewhere. Go to the Gym, take up running and join a running group and go to races, go hiking, go be active outside or otherwise in the same places on a regular basis. Become a regular with a regular predictable schedule. Don't use it as a way to spot women, just focus on what you're doing, gain competence and confidence and they'll start spotting you.
Also, Jerking off does make you blind to women checking you out.

>>33955617
More importantly, he's confusing lust and love. Love, actual love, develops over time from close proximity and mutual cooperation. What most people think of as love is lust and desire.

>>33954013
Yea online dating is rough even for Chads. Slampigs don't treat me very respectfully honestly. I learned to have respect for myself and stop sleeping with bigger women or older women I know it's funny but they broke my bed as well

>>33955714
Slam pigs don't treat anybody respectfully, because they're mostly bitter "neurodivergent" (i.e. hostile asshole) women.

>>33955670
Depends on how you look at it - from a certain point of view, society is a joke.

The fundamental issue is that we have 8 billion people on this planet and the infrastructure and society we built hasn't been overhauled much since we only had 1 billion people on this planet, at the rise of the Industrial Revolution. Since then, we've made work more efficient, not less, so all of the other 7 billion people who have been born since then simply aren't needed to contribute work.

This has resulted in a lot of other problems, from the dating scene (Where the majority of men are not needed and therefore not desired) to the workplace, which has the same problem. We either have to expand society in production in scope so that all 8 billion people are needed, or accept that 7 out of every 8 humans will have to engage in make-work or performative fakery pretending like they're needed when they're not.

Doomerism doesn't hurt his situation, but OP isn't wrong in suggesting that a society where 7/8ths of the human population is superfluous and largely ignored is deeply sick and has problems that follow it all the way to the root. It is and it does. Nobody is really sure what to do about it thoughever, other than genocide all the thirdies (Or genocide all the Westerners if you are a thirdie) or build really big, bloated beaurocracies that put people to work shuffling papers around.

File: Portrait_of_David_Starr_Jordan.jpg (180 KB, 629x945)

180 KB JPG

>>33955607
>human beings aren't cattle in a marketplace with stats
FALSE
>For a race of men or a herd of cattle are governed by the same laws of selection

>>33954005
>Financial security, money and stability I guess?
how do you manage to have 0 personality, 0 lifestyle, 0 interest in anything

it's the 2020s, not the 1920s anymore, most women have jobs and financial stability of their own.

>>33954109
Man, even if you weren't interested on the girl, watching the aurora sounds cool as fuck, wtf

>>33953475
What part of "they will replace you" did you miss

>>33956100
Anon, everyone has a personality, a lifestyle and interests. Its simply that men are keenly aware that nobody cares that much about a man's personality, lifestyle or interests. If they're a stranger, there's no reason to care - only your family and friends, people you already have to deal with, care about who you are as a person. People are vapid, greedy and self-interested as a rule, there's no reason for them to care about your feelings.

People don't care about womens' interests, lifestyle or personality either except insofar as women are desired and pretending to care about these things makes it more likely that you can fuck one. Relationships are always, and have always been transactional - its about what you have to offer, not about what you're personally into when you're not offering anything. For women, this is beauty, youth, and sex appeal, for men its traditionally strength/protection and resources/work, but since you're protected by the State now and women have their own resources and work, there really isn't a need for men right now. When the next war hits, or the next big shock that destabilizes the State, that will change - not before.

>>33953249
Do hard google search about guy named Owen Cook and search about his 'Bootcamps'. He specializes in guys like u (and everybody)

OP here. Holy shit, didn’t expect this to get so big so fast. I appreciate everyone’s help, at work but I’ll try answering the questions from everyone.

>why don’t you have friends?

A good question. Last time I had friends was college, but we drifted because they were more social, not as autistic and as everyone began to double down or get married, get engaged, travel. I disconnected myself because I couldn’t relate. Now I’m quite alone; I have colleagues sure, but they are mostly Indian and Arab and keep to their own races and friends and what not. I would be open to friends too, but it’s been over a decade since any true brotherhood

>>do you have family / can your family help
I’m an only child and my parents are very old. I don’t mean to keep repeating myself but ultimately this lifestyle is just super lonely

I bother jnto the whole redpill (when manosphere was first becoming a thing, not modern one) and basically thought I could grind myself into a wife and kids but just realised I’m the guy in the op pic when I spent my birthday getting drunk alone lol
Currently I’m thinking about finally trying therapy - I genuinely don’t see myself making a change alone, funny thing is I’m even quite high up at my job but you’d be hard pressed to find someone who even knows my name - I’m that invisible lol.

>>33956273
Not uncommon, OP. Honestly, the situation with my entire family - grandparents, parents, myself and my brothers - has been fairly similar. You make all your friends when you're in school, before everything about life becomes money and interpersonal power politics, and then they dwindle over the decades as people move away, get new interests or die through various means. Usually there's a friend or two that sticks around through most of adulthood but you don't make new ones. People you meet in adulthood are transactional relationships, not true friends. Co-workers are not your friends either, you are there to do work.

A fair number of people in all three camps just run out of friends early and end up in your situation. I had a grandfather who was in that boat, used to go to AA meetings just for the company, and kept going 20 years after he quit drinking because it was some form of companionship. It just is what it is, fren. Some people cope, some people just deal with it.

>>33956232
>a man's personality, lifestyle or interests.
>womens' interests, lifestyle or personality either
is watching movies, especially cinema films, a man's hobbies or a woman's?

What about being into literature?

What of video games?

Is dancing... gay?

That's some real old-world autism you've got going thinking that all hobbies and lifestyles and interests are gender-exclusive.

>>33956305
>>33956232
What about cooking?
You would think it's a woman's nature to be in the kitchen but then it's a bunch of guys with tattoos or old men like gordon ramsay

File: 929b0b97acb615f6ee416efe6(...).jpg (57 KB, 735x723)

57 KB JPG

>>33955478
How do men not immediately get on anti hairloss meds and ointments the moment they see thinning. They just let it go. This is your fault unc.
>>33956273
Most people don't have friends outside of work once they get married and have children, don't worry.
The grinding wealth only starts to have value in your late 30s, when most women start getting serious about marrying and looking for stability (ironically). Are you actually ugly anon because you won't go anywhere on dating sites if you are, you'd be better off signing up for a paid matchmaking service for professionals. But if you're not ugly maybe you just need advice on taking pictures and writing bios.

>>33956318
>How do men not immediately get on anti hairloss meds and ointments the moment they see thinning
Because they read on here by baldfags that it's a "tranny drug" that destroys your libido

>>33956318
>How do men not immediately get on anti hairloss meds and ointments the moment they see thinning.
part of me was sort of living in denial of "it'll grow back, it won't bald any further, I usually lose that much hair"
also that shit's expensive.

>>33956305
>>33956315
I didn't say anything about any hobbies being gender-exclusive, you misread my comment. I said people don't care about your hobbies - man or woman. If you're a woman they might pretend to be into your hobbies but if they do, its only for the purpose of fucking you - the actual truth thoughever is that nobody cares what other people do with their time when they're not being productive. It doesn't teach you anything about the person. There are sub-75 IQ examples and above-120-IQ examples of everything. Gamers, Artists, Dancers, Vidya, Litfags, everything. Hobbies are effectively superfluous information, it only teaches you how that person chooses to spend time and absolutely nothing else. What you think about their hobbies says more about you and what you value than it says about them, in fact. You will always think badly of the hobbies you think badly of, and always think well of the hobbies you think well of, no matter the character or intelligence of the person. If you hate reading, you'll look down on litfags. If you think vidya is for mouthbreathing couch potatoes, you'll always think vidya is for couch potatoes.

It just doesn't teach you anything about the other person. Its a hobby, we all have them. If you share the same one, I guess you can talk about it, as though that doesn't just retread all the conversations you've already had with your friends and family or internally.

>>33956342
>also that shit's expensive.
You can get a year's worth of supply of fin for like 50 bucks

>>33956323
Better to not have a working sword than a bald head, you can just pop sword pills. Men underestimate just how bad balding is.
>>33956342
It's more expensive to have to hire hookers because no woman wants to touch you.

>>33956318
>How do men not immediately get on anti hairloss meds and ointments the moment they see thinning.
because fin has a bunch of potential side effects, some irreversible.

>>33956350
>I said people don't care about your hobbies - man or woman.
that's a strange projection
>It doesn't teach you anything about the person.
>it only teaches you how that person chooses to spend time and absolutely nothing else.
and how they choose to spend their time absolutely reflects who they are.

Are they gonna sit around on their phone or the computer all day long while eating slop? Are they going to spend most of their time being active and cooking healthy meals?
Do they get drunk and/or do drugs? Do they prefer to go out, or stay in? Are they music nerds or they listen to whatever floats to the top 40? Are they watching sports on TV or are they watching anime or silent films or hardcore pornography? etc.

How someone chooses to spend whatever little free time they have is absolutely a reflection of who they are and what they're like.

What do you do instead, look at their work experience?

>>33953249
OP, and everyone reading this... you simply don't need to be in a relationship. YOU DON'T. Relationships are cringe, bro! You are in a place where, outside of your work, you have free time! You want to piss all that free time you have away on trying to find someone who will take up all that free time? Arguments? Having to give them time and attention? Having less genuine privacy? Like bro, why??? Just to fuck them and make a child who will now be forced to endure 80 years of struggle in this world, too?? OP, unless you genuinely want a partner, and it's draining at your soul that you're so lonely... make some friends, fuck RELATIONSHIPS, and go play some video games! You don't need some cringe ass girlfriend, you just need some friends and some video gaming. Hop on Discord with your friends and play games with them! That's all a man ever needs. Fuck relationships, sincerely.

File: frog.png (359 KB, 680x607)

359 KB PNG

>>33956416
>go play some video games! You don't need some cringe ass girlfriend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsbj0OoeNo

>>33956318
being bald while having a girlfriend is great. as a bald (and ripped, not bragging tho) guy, I notice that when wearing a hat/ cap women check me out constantly. I try to ignore it, but it does arouse me more often than I like

this never happens when I walk around showcasing my bald head to the public. now imagine me in a situation with full hair instead. HOLY SHIT. can't people just leave me alone?

>>33954005
>what do I bring to to the table? Financial security, money and stability
Get a homeless girl and feed her drugs. You're catering to the women you find attractive

>>33953345
>THIRTY FIVE IS YOUNG MOM! I'M STILL YOUNG!

>>33953258
I'd cave your fucking skull in if I could

>>33953258
>>33953948
>>33953981
Please explain why women consistently and demonstrably choose men that detract from their lives and make them worse then, if what you say is the case

>>33953334
>>33953345
>>33955381
I'm 33 and it's fucking old

Jesus laid down the groundwork to be remembered for 2000 years by billions by age 33
Alexander the Great conquered half of the known world before dying at age 32
Einstein wrote his miracle year papers on the photoelectric effect, Brownian motion, and special relativity at age 26
Elon Musk started X.com at age 28

ONCE YOUR AGE BEGINS WITH A 3 IT'S FUCKING OVER I WISH MY LONG TERM EX DIDN'T DUMP ME DATING IN YOUR THIRTIES IS HELL ON EARTH AAAAHHHHHHHHH

Op is the purest example of someone who would have benefited from being blackpilled from a young age
Unc wasted his entire life but at least he’s “rich” ROFL at u

>>33954247
The only guy here who gets it

>>33956540
If these are the only things he can provide this is how you know he has a small cock

some day i'm going to geolocate a russian bot farm and i'm gonna go bomb it.

>>33956867
That's great news! You're no longer young and obligated to listen to your mentors.

>>33956848
they provide something you never will

>>33956848
why do you choose superficial and broken bitches

The issue here OP that you and I are encountering, is that both our type of woman usually turns out to be asexual and lesbian nerds who are liberal, the only way we can get a girlfriend is getting to know her, and lastly inheritely without any way with it working for us is that our way of interacting with women is pornographic, meaning we think that by having a 5 minute conversation we can jump in the bed. I remember thaf happening when I was with an escort, and it felt fucking more empty than I thought. It was like, wait you like me for my education, the fuck?

>>33956950
I mean ok?
Paid pussy feels as good as free pussy, I don't mind paying for gold diggers and whores because at least they know their station beneath a millionaire
>>33957143
This is ALL women. I've done dirty and been done dirty by the same bitches, they are all alike. It's because they're just not as capable as men.

>>33957251
The same 5 low quality bitches you can manage to fuck aren't every single woman

Therapy. Hookers. Shit on drugs
Not necessarily in that order

>>33953249
This image is so fucking gay
>i shouldn't do anything with my life ever because i hit social milestones late
If this 'makes sense' to you then you 100% have learned helplessness and are coping

>>33956848
>Please explain why women consistently and demonstrably choose men that detract from their lives and make them worse then, if what you say is the case
Because women are retarded. But they can give you children and companionship. And it's your job as a man to turn your woman into a better partner and person.

>>33953249
Post height, weight
Those are important things for girls I'm learning

>>33957143
Honestly? Because the ones who aren't superficial and broken are settled down or on their way to settling down.

>>33957251
>Paid pussy feels as good as free pussy,
Well that can't be true. I wouldn't stick my bare dick into paid pussy.

>>33957731
5’8, 165lbs

>>33953249
>go to church
This only really works if you surrender yourself to Christ and accept Him as Lord and savior.
Not doing so is like going to a hospital to cure sick people but you yourself are sick and not a doctor, then saying “Oh I don’t understand! I can’t help people!! Why not?!?!”

>>33956848
At the same time half of them are marrying up and coasting on easy mode.

To be honest OP you're probably unattractive.

I'm 32 and unsuccessful. Haven't had a point where I haven't had a partner of sorts in the past 5 years.

>>33959653
Lies. The most unattractive people I've known constantly have girlfriends. The girls they pick up are looksmatched but they do pick up girls.

>>33953249
How the fuck did you get to 33 and not ONCE consider that "focus on yourself" might include improving your ability to be pleasant and social with other people?

Go do things where people are. Chat with people. Spend time with people. Try to engage with them more and arrange to spend more time together.
Make acquaintances.
Make friends.
Bond with others through proximity and shared experiences.

This has always been the answer. It's just not inside many guys comfort zone.

>>33959842
The "yourself" part instead of using another set of words like "your relationships" or "your reputation". Also the "Don't chase women" part. It kinda doesn't work if someone else were to chase and get good while op wastes his developmental years not building any experience.

>>33954013
HEEEHHHEE jeez 2 million that's like everyone. Online dating is rough obviously people who are on it shouldn't be. Online will be unemotional just looking to fuck like, yes it's totally okay to swipe left on almost everyone and if you get upset you should get off. It's all about tone. Back before "autism" we just called it tone deaf. It's also called being copacetic. You DTF? Okie dokie.

You say church is bad but no it's not. You want to make a woman feel special and the way to do that is simply not have too many other women around but also not too few. It's tough and I'm fucked I can't be honest with myself but well first step is being aware and then actually acting as your honest self like to be in a non toxic relationship you need to know who you are. And it's a Chinese finger trap once you've defined yourself by incel. Either find someone who wants who you are or change. Also women don't even want to date these days.

Just literally drive through Wendy's just look in the bag and say I didn't get your number and smile maybe drink first

>>33956273
A lot of people's problems are not putting in a whole lot of effort and people say whole ironically but no you have to actually put in a whole lot of effort, you gotta try not to make it seem like it has taxed you a whole lot. Like be the guy who has house parties like all the time. It's so easy sometimes to be the center of it all you might still feel alone at times which famous people feel but you know some people have people and some people are the people others have and it depends on the overall state of things and it can be confusing like some people hate me bc I don't want to hang with them but I'm BUSY being fucking POOR. I'd be the guy throwing parties if I could. But I'm supposed to be their people or some shit like sometimes I'm getting used well all the time I'm getting used but people call me superman, people rely on me. It sucks to get stuck on something and I've always had an issue with the fact that it's just a fact that this website is supposed to be full of the coolest most on point people who choose to reject normies not incels who cry about getting rejected guess what if you had a women or friends you'd hate them but until you get one you don't know

>>33953249
>don't chase women, focus on yourself and they will chase you".
Normal fags and girlfriend havers just make up shit all the time because they won't tell you the truth that is dating in 2025 fucking sucks. They say shit like stop chasing women bro, just meet them at xy and z place bro, literally just face your fears and talk to women bro, literally just get rejected 50 times bro and go through the stupid humiliation ritual over and over again bro. Honestly women are fucking awful tho and if it weren't for the primal urge to peepee in vagene than the cons outweigh the pros

>>33953249
Well, a friend of mine of around your age (he is 34) never had any dating experience whatsoever before, but he got lucky in dating apps, and found someone, so maybe keep trying there until you eventually find someone.

Also, take care of your appearance, and do some self-reflection, like >>33953258 suggested. Are you interesting? Do you have hobbies? Are you fun? etc.

I know it sucks to have to worry about that kind of stuff, but it just is what it is. In most cases it's not about just having money, you also need to draw and hold attention by being able to hold interesting conversations, entertain, etc.

>>33956867
Yea every man should be alexander the great or jesus christ. I actually don't think you lived for you. Saving money and working like a eunich farm animal. Yeah that's what your mentors meant when they said focus on you. Did you spend money on hobbies? Did you give the guys thirsting for ugly girls as chance to be your friend? Do you even want friends if they don't get you pussy? Do you even like doing anything? Go out and spend some money on a fun day and ignore the pussy quest.
Go kayaking. Buy 1000 dollars of calling gear and camp food and try camping for a week. Don't just work come home and post on 4channel.

It might be hopeless to get the hot young pussy you want, but i hate to break it to you. You are not getting younger, its not coming back. Just kill yourself if you are going to bring up this nonsense about alexhander the great anytime someone asks you to have a nice day. Aristotle was 40 something when he tutored alexander. But i guess he was unc, right. Aristotle past 35=not alexander=not a cool guy.

Honestly being a cool guy to be around is more important then trying to be caeser or whatever. I wouldn't give up the people in my life to be around or be these "great men". And all me and the people i like have is that we enjoy each others company.

>>33960035
>The "yourself" part instead of using another set of words like "your relationships" or "your reputation".
It's not about relationships or fucking reputation. (I've never given a single fuck about reputation.) It's about you and your ability to interact with other human beings. It's a fundamental skill like hygiene and acquiring food. Ignoring it and your human needs for social interaction for thirty years is NOT "focusing on yourself".

>Also the "Don't chase women" part. It kinda doesn't work if someone else were to chase and get good while op wastes his developmental years not building any experience.
There's a distinct difference between interacting with people and "chasing women".
The advice phrasing I like is "Never chase after buses or women, you just end up looking foolish."
Chasing is pointless and I have plenty of other ways to make myself look foolish.

People are individuals. If you encounter a woman who you think might be worth spending time with, get to know her better and try to spend more time with her to determine if you're compatible with each other. If not, move on.
Women are not gatekeepers of male happiness and satisfaction that men need to chase after and win. Everyone is just a lonely individual trying to find someone compatible to be with.
Don't be a man chasing a woman.
Be a person connecting with another person.

>>33960371
What would you say to someone who has lost almost every motivation and is not being a cool guy to be around? I made this >>33960285 thread.

>>33960437
Similar to what the guy in that thread said. Its relatable. Its easy to end up kind of a bitch in this day and age. Anytime i have been in a serious rutt like that, i try something totally new. Drop the job, apartment, 95% of possessions and go get a random job somewhere else. You really do not know as much as you think you do. If you go somewhere new you learn new. It doesn't solve all your problems but nothing does. I would advise looking at seasonal jobs in areas that look nice to you. Cruise ships, national parks, paid training for trades. Something new. I have done it quite a few times at this point. Big comfy chair. Trashed. Microwave and coffee machine. Trashed. Clothes trashed.
If you are adamant you have no motivation then that's it. The end. If you are willing to do nothing. Then quite literally it is out if your hands. I don't know what else you would expect.

>>33960475
Living is such a scary thing.

>>33960432
>It's about you and your ability to interact with other human beings.
Antithesis of focus on oneself

>Chasing is pointless and I have plenty of other ways to make myself look foolish.
Not making an effort to get what you want doesn't get good results. We can look at OP as an example of how wrong I was about not trying.
> If you encounter...
Very passive

I'm going to say undigestable things like: be a fool and chase.

File: 1708496095860.png (173 KB, 528x438)

173 KB PNG

I am stunned and amazed at how tedious and wordy so many of the posts itt are.
And all of it to basically tell OP "yeah that sucks, just keep trying, maybe try some hobbies but it might not work but thats life"
Like wtf how can you be people be so bad at getting to the point

>>33955698
To be fair, this wouldn't be a problem if you get with women you actually want to fuck. Like, your body will naturally want to fuck them lmao, no matter what society says

File: 2b3.jpg (3.88 MB, 4500x3000)

3.88 MB JPG

>>33953249
>no friends
>no prospects
>gullible ("women will chase you".... really anon?)
>"women treat me like I'm invisible" oh yeah. another man waiting for signals.

dude you're not the hot shit you think you are. are you even fit? are you good at telling stories? at talking to randoms? do you have the culture, hobbies and life experiences necessary to maintain a conversation going on almost every subject?

the 3/10 women and ugly dating app matches you mention are what you'll have to start with.
go for the least ugly, flirt, pump and dump, you'll gain some much needed experience. reiterate (possibly with a better woman) until you actually know what you're doing.

Idk I just go to 4chan and Reddit (mostly 4chan) to meet men

>>33960778
>be fit
>be good at telling stories
>be good at talking to randoms
>have the culture, hobbies and life experiences necessary to maintain a conversation going on almost every subject
"bar in hell" btw
seriously the men i know with gfs sure as hell dont have half of that, wtf is this post lmao

>>33956848
I know some pretty decent, attractive women from my work and they have pretty decent attractive husbands. They have children and houses. I don't know what's really going on there but they seem quite happy. So what you're saying is some gross generalization you make based on confirmation biased observations you may have made (or creative writing you read on here).

>>33954013
Jesus, maybe Hayden should lose some fucking weight. He looks 35

>>33954701
NTA but most of my coworkers are married or in serious relationships despite being fat and/or ugly. Their women are just Also fat and/or ugly.

>>33955594
>women no longer want families or children
Lies. They want these when they've got a single year left on the clock or their way past baby making age.

Why did you ignore my Reddit and 4chan adviceeee

>>33957251
How do you manage to be so pathetic on THIS board?

>>33959200
Lose some weight chubby boy

>>33960812
He'll go from 0 matches a year to 1 match a year kek

>>33960432
>>33960531
The tripfag you're talking to is a serial adulterer who cheated on his disabled wife.

>>33960829
OK OK, He needs to lose a lot of weight, build some lean mass and shave his fucking face. Maybe take some better pictures, maybe take some pictures at an actual event or a night time event with friends if he has them. Even just asking a stranger to take a picture for him would be better than making it seem like all he does is go fishing. He might attract a woman, but it's going to be that one out of thousands. But the best thing he can do is stop being a big fat piece of shit that looks a decade or two older than he is.