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>What is /htgwg/?
How to Get Women General is by men, for men, about women, so bring all of your questions about getting and dealing with women here. Some anons on this site actually get laid, and some of them even want to help. If you're trying to meet and date women, then this is the place to ask questions, seek advice, and share experiences. We know how hard it can be. We got you bro.

>What is /htgwg/ not?
These threads are NOT for whining, moping, incels, volcels, MGTOW, hopelessness, or demoralization. We're all aware that meeting and dating women is hard today, and even harder for some, but /htgwg/ is for trying to overcome the challenges. IGNORE the posters who complain, give up, or insist there's nothing they can do. This site has other boards and threads that they can pollute. BE SMART: Spot the bait, don't reply, and DON'T WASTE TIME ARGUING WITH THEM!

>How to ask for advice
Context is important: be more specific than "This girl ghosted me, why?" We can't help if we don't know the situation, so try to provide as much (useful) info as possible ("I was at the bar, this chick was checking me out..."). What's your relationship with the girl? How long have you known her? Any conversation screenshots? Etc... Don't forget to ask an actual question.

>Resources and Books
https://wingman.live/ (AI dating coach)
https://pdfcoffee.com/318797392-mark-manson-models-2016pdf-4-pdf-free.html
https://archive.org/details/robert-glover-no-more-mr-nice-guy-id-353324692-size-612
https://www.youtube.com/@YourWingmam
https://www.doctornerdlove.com/blog/
https://pastebin.com/7U5Sdhwq (Leykis 101)
https://dokumen.pub/why-women-deserve-less-firstnbsped-1467978302-r-1917433.html
https://www.fantasticanachronism.com/p/how-to-be-good-at-dating
(new suggestions with working links are welcome)

REMEMBER: It's good to read and prepare, but don't overdo it. Get off this site: go learn and build up your social skills by meeting actual women in the real world.

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>>34122987
I think the worst part is that if we do unfuck ourselves, we will feel even worse because all we accomplished was talking to a fucking woman and learning about her, which really shouldn't be difficult at all. We will beat ourselves up after not doing it sooner.
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Am I faggot for talking on the phone with dating app girls?
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>>34124423
reposting >>34120807
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>>34124540
What kind of low self esteem question is that?
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>>34124423
What haircut should I get as a mid 20s black guy?
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>>34124869
Ask /fa/.
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A hot girl called me on snapchat out of nowhere and asked if I wanted to go to a party in atlanta and then blocked me right after. now I'm mad.
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>>34124423
Do these threads help ANYONE?? it's just a place for the gay autistic retarded "zach" "mike" and "stupid nigger" namefags to post replies at chatting-record-speeds

Gay ass stupid bullshit
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>>34125059
people complain about shit like this and i can't even get practical advice about meeting people while working night shift
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>>34125127
Go to a night club before work?
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>>34125143
i don't drink and if something happens on the job and i need to take a piss test i'll be fired anyway
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>>34125147
You don't always need to drink there. You can just have some fun being yourself. Like go there to talk to some women there and introduce yourself. You can also try a long distance relationship with a woman in a far off country.
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>>34125167
>go to club
>like, ohmigooooood, why aren't you drinkinggg??
>...
>why would you go to a club if you're, like, not gonna drink???

i've tried ldrs and all i end up feeling is lonelier because i need someone i can physically hold
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>>34125176
Okay, go to a club or activity before work. It sounds pretentious as hell but that is how you meet people.
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>>34125198
still makes me look like a stuck-up cunt who doesn't enjoy fun(granted i am a shut-in autist who likes things quiet but still)
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>>34125221
Anon, you're doing the stupid NT thing again. You're making excuses that prevent you from leaving your house. You don't just try one time and give up entirely anon. Unless of course you're hiding something and am not passionate about women?
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>>34125176
Lmao ona how to get women thread that retard told you to get an ldr, really the bottom of the pile namefag

>>34125127
So I don't know you, and I'm not going to ask you a bunch of questions, I'll just reply to some possible scenarios about your situation and one of them will be the answer

1) you meet people by finding meetups, I used meetup.com, it worked wonderfully. Don't listen to the retards who say that it's all incels, indians, fat retarded women and creeps. You just have to find something you're actually interested in. Like a hiking group, board games meetup, bar meetup if you're into that. Through that you meet people and get into WhatsApp groups and from there you're informed about the rest.
2) if you think night shifts are stopping you from doing events - stop working night shifts. Seriously. I know a guy who works the gas station night shift he is quitting soon in January, he told me he's absolutely miserable doing night shifts. Don't do it man. Get a normal 9 to 5 or 8 to 4
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>>34125270
i like women anon, but the kind of women who you're suggesting i should pursue wouldn't like me
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>>34125273
>if you think night shifts are stopping you from doing events - stop working night shifts.
i literally cannot
without doxxing myself, assignments are handed out via seniority and i lack the seniority to hold any other assignment
and if your next suggestion is "quit your job" that's not an option
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>>34125275
Oh my God. Fucking try. Okay. If that girl doesn't work find another. You don't just get it instantly, it's through experience.
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>>34125299
yes yes i get the whole "try more than once" thing, but you're suggesting i go to clubs and hit on drunk women who are there to drink and party, while i'm there to try to connect and leave way too early to go to work
you're just getting mad that your position as Almighty Tripcode User With All The Answers is being disrupted, it's why you tried to accuse me of being a homo
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>>34125384
No. What have you thought of doing?
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>>34125289
Well if you can't go to meetups because you "can't" quit your night shift job I guess you're in quite a pickle huh?
Nothing is impossible chuddie, it's about priorities. Also I doubt you work 7 nights a week, if you really wanted to you'd go to meetups anyway. There are meetups during the day on weekends (hiking, dancing, creative workshops) and stuff during the evening throughout the whole week (bar meetups, board games, dinner with strangers, meaningful conversations, etc)
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girl i am sorta interested in getting to know better, and who's also interested in me, has been going through a rough patch for a longer while now. she basically wants to join an activity that i invite her to but then also never commits and stops replying to know me for several days only to answer that she really wants to join next time. she mentioned that she does not have her shit together and i don't fully understand her situation but i guess she is unhappy living here. she is switching back and forth between saying that she really wants to hang out and then just not saying anything at all for a few days to over a week or even more. this has been going on for months. i don't know, it just does not seem healthy. it seems like she needs professional help. i don't know, makes it really hard to get to know her and spend time with her and now i am leaning more towards just moving on.
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I already asked this in the old thread but I want to make sure I don't screw the pooch, if you have any other tips let me know.
I am working remotely for a multinational company.

This year we had a get together and I met a really interesting older woman there. I'm guessing above 50, still looking good, had some work done, a cougar basically. We had some company games organized and we were in the same team, and we joked the whole time - even becoming touchy by grabbing each other hands and hugging.

I asked her for a drink, and she said yes, but she spent the remainding two days being encircled by people from her own country, even at night when we were partying.

When we all were leaving to our homes, she came to me, kissed me on the cheek and said We'll have our drinks next time boy.

the next time is in february. We have a new get together and I really want to end up sleeping with her. Any tips for how to pick up an older chick. Also, how to isolate her? I feel she is a bit reserved in front of her countrymen because I'm half her age.
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>>34125683
>>34125683
You can "man up", confront her about this on off shit tell her you're worried about it, make her open up talk about what's bothering her tell her you really like her and want to be there for her. This would only be an option if you actually know her well and been friends for a longer time before and already have some sort of deeper connection, basically trying to escape the friendzone. Otherwise you are in simp territory.

You can pull back, next time she does this just act like you're emotionally checking out "ah okay no worries", then any texting you do keep up the appearance. Slower and short responses, reach out less than you used to etc just small breadcrumbs to give her hope once in a while. Irl in group settings act normal and friendly like nothing is wrong. We're trying to make her overthink your behaviour and fear of losing you since it was established you both like eachother (?). This strat is harder you need to be able to read her well to play the manipulator role, not too much interest but also not too little.

Or you can just straight up give up and stop thinking about her romantically and look for a new girl if you got options like that.
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What's wrong with waiting til marriage or that special someone, why are people so against symbolic purity. Standing for something. I don't "need bitches" and I don't "want pussy" I want someone that gives a fuck. I need someone that needs me.
Places I have luck:
>MMOs
>Instagram comments and stories for some reason
>Videogames
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Charity session time

>>34125957
>What's wrong with waiting til marriage or that special someone

Well, you can wait till Olympic games come to participate and fail like an amature at that once in a lifetime chance because you didn't train. Dating is a skill, romance is a skill, life is a skill. You train those skills first by failing and succeding, then you claim that very special someone and build 10/10 life together. If you disagree, check the divorce rates

>>34125806
Is this your fetish? Then just go hit on her directly, she is 50, she will melt from any attention from the prime aged men

Or are you just that desperate? Then you should really sit and reevaluate your life that you are actively chasing a woman 25 years past her prime. If you are desperate, you are playing this game completely wrong and you should stop dating, zoom out from your current moment and start rebuilding yourself including your awareness of dating as a skill to master

>>34125683
Move on. When women want you they will be very active in getting your time and attention. This one doesn't desire you, your interest in one sided. You should take a pause and ask yourself how come you care so much about someone you didn't even have any intimacy with, who is not excited about you

Invest your time in yourself

>>34125127
Pay attention, you are focusing on the wrong thing. Your lifestyle is killing you. Okay, you meet 10/10 woman, what is next? Will she be sleep deprived to have a relationship with you while you work night shifts? Unless she is also in the wrong chapter of her life working at night, which means she is either lost or traumatized, thats not a woman to date

Get your life together first, build a healthy abundant lifestyle, then invest your time in women. Or even if you get one you will get eventually heatbreak and/or getting cheated on
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>>34125858
>>34126093
but i am not infatuated , i barely know her, she is cute, that's about it. i am not simping or anything. i'd like to get to know her to see if i am actually interested in pursuing a sort of relationship, but that's not really possible because she seems to be stuck in a sort of depressive episode. i don't know, it's a bit weird
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>>34126093
I am not chasing her because I want a relationship with her as I only see her for 15 days every year. It's more of a bucket list thing.

I am having issues with the time constraint and/or the fact that I don't want to be judged by other people in the company as I just got a big promotion and I'm 27. Otherwise, I would just offer her a drink and start gaming her immediately.

I mostly had successes with girls my age from 20 to 28. When people say just be direct with older women what does that mean? As I mentioned, I invited her for drinks at the bar, and I said only us two, she said yes but we couldn't make it as people were roaming the bar at all times. Should I mention sex indirectly or what?
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>>34126353
>barely know her
yee it's a wrap bro gg go next
if she wanted to she would
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>>34124540
No, it's good. Getting numbers are social media is good. Talking on the phone is also good.
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>>34125273
Night shift is only justified if it pays at least 3x more than day. It's horrible for your health.
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>>34124849
What hours are you usually sleeping? Moreover what hours do you usually have not working or sleeping throughout the week?
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>>34125273
What it matches his times as a night owl! I talked to a woman from China and Switzerland at his hours.
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>>34126353
Pay attention. When there is doubt there is no doubt. If woman is not saying strong yes its a no. If someone is not excited its a no

Very very simple, nothing weird here

Also

>she seems to be stuck in a sort of depressive episode

You are not anyone's therapist (unless they pay you for that directly), not a savior, not a hero

You allow women to enter your life and integrate into your lifestyle when they are ready to do that. Anything less is you wasting your precious lifetime away. The sooner you wake up to this truth, the sooner you will be happy

>>34126438
Okay, so its just a one time thing, I hear you

>having issues with the time constraint
There is always a way, zoom out, experiment, find the right angle to succeed, its there

>the fact that I don't want to be judged by other people in the company

It will be a cliche, but it is a cliche for a reason. Don't shit where you eat. Bucket list fling with a woman is not worth the risks. I strongly advise you to focus on your actual life goal and crucial needs. You are climbing corporate ladder successfully, now is not the time to follow your dick like a teenager. There are infinite amount of women to have any experiences with outside of your workfield (avoid other companies also, as well as adjusted fields like lawyers and marketers)

>When people say just be direct with older women what does that mean?

Be honest with your wants and emotions in a loving and respectful way. For example:

- Hey, excuse me. I find you irresistible, it is something about you, you specifically, that magnetizes me. What is your name?

Actually, best pickup line aimed at a woman is confidently showing your desire for HER, her specifically, making her feel seen and chosen, but in non attached calm way
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I had 2 girlfriend that I met on dating apps. But now the apps are not working for me anymore. The girls just aren't biting at all. I can get a handful of matches with girls that I like. I have tried the "slow" approach and just talking to them, which results in the convo dying at some point. I have tried being more aggressive and flirty, suggesting early on that we go out on a date or that she comes over, and this results in them unmatching me instantly. Not sure what's changed here
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>unemployed chad
>get lots of hookups
>ghosted by women seriously dating
>probably because im unemployed and i try to fuck on the first date
I told you the problem. I just need to do something about it.
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>>34127403
It isn't how you communicate anon, but what you are. You need to be like a magnet not like a predator chasing its prey. The best thing you can do is give a calm and relaxed experience next girl you hook up with. Other than that be yourself.
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>>34127480
Dude shut the fuck up
https://youtu.be/oCIo4MCO-_U?si=u2UMBz5aiIziSXtG
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Nah just shoot women in the fucking face.
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>>34127480
>It isn't how you communicate anon, but what you are.
I have been thinking it's how I present myself. I am nearing 30 but people say I look much younger. I have longer zoomer-ish hair. I did a buzzcut last year and my matches fell to zero, like I got almost nothing at all. But I did match one girl who was down to hookup with me. Now that I have longer hair I get many more matches, but what good are the matches if they all unmatch me and don't want to fuck?
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>>34127461
Unemployed chad can only do that.
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Anyone else have the experience of their dating app matches being way less attractive than the women they've been with and dated meeting irl? What should I take away from this?
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>>34127962
Dafing apps are a scam, the owners of them should be sent to gulags.
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>>34127707
Just be a nice guy.
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Has anyone here successfully found a gf through hobby meets?
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>>34128201
Yeah, you got an art activity hook-up you'll probably meet this lonely girl who loves to draw but finds herself alone all the time too shy to admit she wants someone near her.

But despite that.

If you love women you need to approach getting them to open up in steps, not demand it. These hot women have a ton and I mean a shit ton of guys with big dicks, 6-packs, tall, and all of that. That's your competition. Now if you do what an idiot does show up and call yourself sexy, that ain't gonna do anything. It may work for some people, but for you it may not at all. The baseline you need to start at is, you are unattractive and a bore, so now what do you do to attract her? You don't do these pick-up artists type of thing starting at where you are the shit. You ain't the VIP at the club anon. You're the pathetic guy who luckily got in, that's your start.
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>>34127962
yeah, that's pretty normal for most guys desu. I once saw a woman that I hooked up with IRL in the Standouts page of Hinge which meant she was getting lots of attention. I doubt she would have ever seen my like if I sent her one. Also I matched with a few girls who made Standouts and they inevitably stop talking to me because they get so many other matches

Just is how it is.
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>>34126093
>Charity session time
Thanks for the blessing

>If you disagree check the divorce rates
Divorce rates say that virgins are consistently less likely to end in divorce as the married ones, and I can see why. I've been in relationships too, but to be honest all of them but 2 were long distance.
>Dating is a skill
It's more like a state of mind. If you don't have a game plan then you're going to stumble every way imaginable
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rejected like a bitch. I swear I wasn't hallucinating, we had a like 3-second eye contact sitting across the whole classroom wtf man.
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>>34128275
At least with the standouts on hinge is that if by some stroke of luck one decides to match with you it gives you more hot people on your discover feed.
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Recently discovered I'm supposed to be like a relaxing warm cup of tea or coffee instead of trying too hard to be a fun martini to women.
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>>34128592
I laughed out loud bro, you’re such a dork kek
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How do you filter girls who are dtf on dating apps? I feel most the time it's kind of a waste of time as they want you taking them out a bunch etc
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>>34126737
10am-5pm usually, but i'll sometimes sleep in to 7pm
>>34126093
>Your lifestyle is killing you.
this is unfortunately better than the alternative in my line of work, which is working on call
>>34126882
again, tried one, got ghosted out of the blue, did a number on my psyche, not interested again
>>34126719
this is true, i'm making $400+ a night before taxes
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>>34128698
A dork huh? I was at one point thinking of going into infantry after college.
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>>34128706
Filter them out or filter for them? If you're looking for them on hinge they're usually the ones who say they're looking for something short term. Reading between the lines the dtf ones are usually posting one word answers to the prompts and posting pictures they know are thirst traps more than them trying to show any semblance of personality.
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>>34128706
Any that have the long term open to short will let you fuck them after buying at minimum a coffee. It's to make themselves feel like they're not sluts, but they are. 10 bucks for pussy isn't a bad deal bro just deal with it.
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Here's some advice to any autistic spergs who want to use dating apps to get laid but have no good photos of yourself because you don't go out anywhere, have no friends or your life is boring and you don't want to spend money on a photographer.

You can just use AI to just good photos for you.

Just take a picture of yourself and ask ChatGPT to put you in certain places for pictures.

>"Put me in a museum smiling, make it look like someone is taking a photo for me"

>"Put me taking a selfie next to the eiffel tower"

>"Put me in a house party surrounded by friends, each of us holding a red solo cup"

Make up whatever photo you think would be good and AI will generate you good photos for free.

I get 50+ matches pretty easily doing this.
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>>34128903
>AI
Too damn easy.
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>>34112206

Well, last night I texted her asking how her trip was going, and she never replied. On her last trip she replied every few hours and sometimes 24 hours later but its been more than 27 hours now so I've been ghosted. How do I stop thinking about her?
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>>34129000
You got to remember the tier list my guy. She was probably just a good acquaintance. You may be saying, "YEAH WELL MY GUY FRIENDS DON'T DO THAT TO ME." Your guy friends can be just as flakey. The person's gender makes no fucking difference. Ever had a group of guys all go to a damn strip club but left you out of it because they felt you'd make them look gay. You think men don't do the same thing?

I'm telling you anon, be happy being alone first, and believe me you'll get this super power that a lot of us nerds have.
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>>34129016
So you're telling me that she'll reply eventually but not soon because I'm just not that much of a priority right now?
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>>34129079
What I'm telling you, is that you need to stop blaming women for not liking you. Looking back, I've faced just as much criticism from women as men. I've found men less likely to be upfront about it which sucks, because I never knew why. Anon, look it's okay if she doesn't like you. There are plenty of fish in the sea for you. To give you an estimate there are billions of women in this planet. It is mathematically impossible that all of them do not want you.
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I really want to take my cousins ex wife to the nightclub
God forgive me
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Posted before but
Is there any videos I can watch or anything to get motivation to go out and talk to girls? I feel the years are slipping me by but I’m not caring anymore even though I should
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>>34129570
yup, this guys vids (podcasts) are all real good
https://youtu.be/P1MlyQMAZok
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>>34128903
Any recommendations? I’ve heard great things about Nano Banana Pro but I’m hesitant to pay for anything without getting to try it out first.
>>34126911
> Actually, best pickup line aimed at a woman is confidently showing your desire for HER, her specifically
Yes, yes, yes. You’re right on the money. Even if she’s not interested, giving enough of a shit to notice and appreciate her instead of pulling out the same shtick for every woman you meet is so valuable.
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you know what's worse than not having dates actually, is being able to get dates and having basically no luck
them basically going nowhere, getting little to no second chances

imagine going on dozens and dozens of dates, with girls of all types (some not so pretty, others quite so) and basically getting laid like twice in a year
after 50+ dates and no gf
it feels worse, being so close, yet not being able to get it
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How do you flirt?
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>>34129916
Help find things that get her to relax.
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>>34129626
>Any recommendations?
Just experiment between different models and pick which one you think is better.
Most mainstream AI image generation models are good enough to work, I used ChatGPT personally but if you think banana is better then use it.
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I take the bus twice a day, there is a cute girl who takes the same bus at the same time as me and it feels like she keeps glancing at me while we're waiting for the bus
This has been going on for more or less 5 months, how the fuck do I break the ice
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>>34129672
I can relate to this soooo hard dude I've went on so many dates since May 2025 and got laid once and no gf lmao there is definitely something wrong with me
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Isn't flirting and rizzing and all of this just cope bullshit?

Whenever a girl is into you you will know. I know because I've experienced it and am not virgin loser.

Why do people seemingly torture themselves with all this stuff just to embarass themselves with someone who's not interested in them.

I can tell if someone is interested in me by their body language, how fast and frequently they text etc. If a girl is not showing interest this way literally just stop talking to them. You're wasting your time.
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>>34129672
It's a rare feel. Fucked so many girls I stopped counting yet I haven't had a gf since 2021.
What makes it worse is it's always the same things that drive them away.
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>>34130721
At least you're actually fucking lmao
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>>34130536
Lmao are you me? also started in June and even fucked one but the ones that I really liked didn't even give me a second date.....
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>Look like a smart nerd(I still only have like 120 iq tho)
>Had 3 dates with really successful and cute women
>None of them gave me a second chance

Is there a different sort of ball game when it
comes to these type of women? I'm moderately successful so It's probable that these women are rejecting me because I'm not creme de la creme when it comes to financial situation?

Anyone had a similar experience? Or do these women still go for chad and dont care about income? It's all very confusing. I seemingly did everything right. They were interested and yet... crickets.
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>>34130508
Compliment her on something she’s wearing, even if you’re not sincerely impressed.
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>>34130740
>>34130536
shit niggas thought it was just me
i'm trying to turn it around this year
instead of chasing girls (going on dating apps, cold approach) i'm going to try and create a lifestyle that creates girls

since most dates have been through dating apps with the occasional one from cold approach
i feel these girls are just, too random, don't fit into my life and that's why they don't stick

it might be better to find a girl who naturally fits into your life by creating an interesting life
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What’s with the pure hatred of age gaps lately? Look at the responses to this thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/allthequestions/s/90cWFZkLWk
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>>34131267
Zoomers love to infantilize themselves in order to dodge accountability and refuse to grow up. They unironically think under 25 is a child.
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Wes Watson said it best. It's about being an example not having a background. Something I'm keeping in mind moving forward.
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>>34131310
Those aren’t zoomers saying those things though…it’s mostly men and older women
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>>34131377
>Men
Jealous they can't get prime age pussy
>Older women
Jealous of their youth stealing men their age
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>>34131397
I’m mostly asking if people feel this way irl
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>>34131407
Lolno. Only terminally online people virtue signaling think like this. Ask yourself how often age even comes up in the conversation irl.
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>>34131397
>prime age
Define prime age. I know the age, but i'm not going to say.
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Is Hinge the only way to find a partner nowadays? I never dated before using Hinge and before that I had one girl ask me out and that was a whole thing before she ghosted me. I deleted my account to take a break but now I really want to get back on there because if I'm not on there I feel like I'm not working on this huge goal of finding a girlfriend
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>>34132039
There's no reason not to be on there. You wanna cast a wide net. Apps should be supplemental to your irl efforts.
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>>34130759
>>Had 3 dates with really successful and cute women
>>None of them gave me a second chance
what were the dates like? Did you snuggle up beside them on a bench? Or was it sitting across from each other at dinner like a job interview?
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>>34129672
>imagine going on dozens and dozens of dates
this is the problem. stop asking girls out on "dates". ask them if they want to come over. You'll know real quick if they actually like you or not.
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Guys... i am in a fucked up situation.
I met this woman do things or help others. She gave signs for falling for me (you know the usual signs, you can ask me key points and ill gladly ask). It was unnintentional, i am genuinelly like caring... She is around 40, small, "nice" figure but she could be much better but she has a shitty couple and work and she looks terrible because of those things.
What else can i say, sometimes i get angry at her and she lit beg me to comeback and overexplain why she did x. Recently it happened and she felt really bad. I feel her clingy because she ask me to be with her and i feel entraped as an empath...

I seem to enlight her life so much. She told me a bunch of personal things and she had a rough life.She looks like really cheered up when i am with her, and she kinds of do the same with me -not so much but she tries-.

I need advice here, because she is in a relationship that looks like crumbling.
Is she in need of a friend or something else? Am i confusing things?

Sry if i am writing derp its really late...
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>>34124423
Why would a girl ask me for my age almost immediately when meeting me in a social setting?
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>turning 32 in a week, never had a gf
>asked out women here and there, rejections galore
>sometimes just straight-up had bad luck and a girl I liked hooked up with another dude she met
>family tried to set me up with a friend's niece
>she straight up said not interested before I even got to meet her
>got fuck all on dating apps the two times I went on them and I'm too demoralized to even try again because what's the point

It's stupid but I'm this close to just blowing my brains out. I know that some will call me a weak pussy but at least some connection is important to me and it feels like something that's been consistently denied to me for no reason. I'm not perfect but I'm not some fat, unhygienic NEET either. Guys worse off don't struggle, why do I have to?
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>>34131267
>op updated her post saying that she blocked the guy because faggots on reddit gaslit her into thinking that he's a creep

Every fucking person who commented on that thread telling OP that her man is a predator needs to be lined up in front of a wall and shot.
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How do I get my ex to move countries for me?

She had to move home last year so it was a very amicable breakup, but I can't get her out of my mind because there was no hard feelings. Haven't spoken to her for the past 3 months now, but she keeps posting on Instagram about missing living here etc.
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>>34133162
everyone struggles. there is some level of luck involved but the top three things to do is
either lower your standards (i.e. go out with girls you don't even find that attractive)

two: quit all together
or three: accept that you will struggle at first and then dating will become second nature the more you stop bashing your head and trying new things out

below i think are the most important things to have dating success:
1) working out regularly
2) dental hygiene
3) well fitting clothes
4) regular outings with friends (and pictures to prove it)
5) event maxing (fitness classes, markets, film festivals, museum events etc)

if you do the above you build social proof
and social proof is necessary for getting girls
girls only go out with guys who they perceive to be higher status then them
how?
well girls on apps are all bored af
if you can somehow show on the app that you have a life, and in your pictures it looks like fun
they will want to join you
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after feeling we were so back, we were in fact not back, and now we know it's over (again).
I see only three ways to get off this rollercoaster:
A) I get a long-term girlfriend
B) after going through the depths of the abyss, I will climb out and go into a zen state and live life as a monk
C) I will hate women to an extent that is past returning.
Place your bets!
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You know what? How about instead of going around trying to change what we can't change which is social skills, how about we focus on changing our body, our hygenine, our daily habits.
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Hey Mr. CIA man, hit me up.
I'm ready to start shooting
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Guys, what would be the quickest way to get laid outside of paying for a prostitute? This is a matter of some urgency for me. I'm a 30 year old virgin and haven't put much effort into changing that, but now I have some health issue that's probably neurological in nature that has been getting steadily worse over time. At some point it's probably going to make it borderline impossible to get a girl to want to have sex with me. I don't want to die a virgin...
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>>34134880
Go to bars or clubs and approach women spit some game and try and take them home at the end of the night.
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>>34124423
Guys what type of girls are you looking to get?
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>>34134946
A cute one that thinks I'm too much of a loser to date seriously but hot enough to crack once in a while.
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>>34134946
One who doesn't mind my low income. One who doesn't need my attention 24/7.
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>>34134946
Light enough to pick up and fuck standing and doesn't want kids.
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How do I meet women as a NEET with money in my mid 20s? I'm tired of wanking and I dont want my first time to be with a prostitute. Also preferably nothing that requires you to stay til late night e.g. bars and clubs.
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>>34134946
Wants kids
Alt/freaky grungy smoke bud
Has hobbies/not basic
Has a pulse and can hold a conversation
Not such a massive whore she cant feel connection
If she doesnt go 50/50 i wont date her Fuck gold diggers
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>>34133424
Thats not what social proof is
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>>34134946
Nerds, shut-ins, homely losers. Ones that are easy to talk to and have interest beyond reality tv slop.

Fuck knows how to find women like that.
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>light skin
>matched gorgeous, thin waist, thicc hipped Chinese girl visiting (w/ a friend)
>rizzed her up in Chinese (I'm low inter)
>she asked for a voice message to prove I know Chinese
>sent her one, she was super impressed
>confirmed drink date
>met up with her
>great convo, complimented me a lot
>told her we are walking to this romantic AF spot
>take her there
>says she really likes it
>told her to close her eyes, we kiss for like 30 seconds
>leave spot
>invited her to my place
>told me that Friday night would be better cause she is remote working (super early hours)
>walk her back to her hotel
>told her we need to go to this Chinese restaurant later this week, agrees
>waits with me for an extra 10 mins until uber came
>during that time she mentioned how good she felt that night at least 4 times
>kissed goodbye
>made sure I made it back home
>tells me good night
>messages me good morning that she went to this Chinese Cafe w/ her friend
>sends me a picture
>sent her what I'd consider a flirty / funny message
>"had a great time last night, can't stop thinking about you and your sweet lips" in Chinese
>tells me that people don't usually flirt like that in Chinese lol, they are more subtle
>told her, "okay bet"

From that moment on, she went from replying within 10-30 mins to 10+ hours. Sent her a photo of my Taco Tuesday order which she didn't reply to for 16 hours the next day and hasn't replied since. I'm going to assume she either met a "better" guy or she got icked out by my comment. In my defense, her lips were actually sweet, so I was just playing off that. Only other thing I could think of was that I replied "okay bet" instead of something like "Well, I'm not subtle".

Dating these years are so exhausting.
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>>34136066
>do one tiny little thing not exactly how they like
>lost their interest forever

Why the fuck do they do this?
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>>34136070
Yes, it's wild.
It takes a lot for me to be "icked" out by a woman on a date, it almost never happens. Went on a date with a 35yr Asian woman and she showed up in short-short jean shorts and a top without a bra. Told me how she has worked at a bar for X years, likes to party and lives with a bunch of roommates.

I thought to myself, "Hmm... She definitely looks like she'd immediately agree to hookup but honestly she looks and overall seems trashy". It was like a combination of a bunch of things that just made me go... nah.

We chatted for a bit more and I told her I had some work I needed to do. She hit me up a few days later but I just ignored her.
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Charity session time

>>34136066
>Dating these years are so exhausting

No it is not. Your low competency and being unaware makes it exhausting for YOU. Easily fixable

Lets zoom out from your desperation and idolization of some average woman. The story you are telling is this:

A woman from different culture, with different inherited values and standards comes abroad briefly. She knows she is not going to stay, her whole world is back home, and her society taught her to gatekeep her sexuality (or to at least being resistant to weaker males)

She meets a guy who drools over her right away, hyperfocusing on her approval, catching every moment of positive feedback like as if he is her son. He makes effort to enter her world speaking her language, makes big effort to be heavily romantic. The whole vibe is as if its a start of a serious relationship, not just a few days fun while she is travelling

Instead of just seducing her the very same evening and being done with it, now there is heavy flirting the day after, clearly the guy will be the problem in the future if it continues. The guy even messages this, despite knowing each other for few days and not having intimacy yet:

>can't stop thinking about you

What you did wrong, read this twice: 1) You are lonely, you are desperate, that poisons your beliefs, reactions and choices. You invest too fast too much in a wrong way. In sales terms you are like a car salesman begging a passing buy customer to buy a car with a huge discount, thats repelling on a deepest level

2) You are oblivious to context and timing. Tourist women are not looking for serious relationships on dating apps. They just want to have some memorable fun without consequences, not desperate emotional vomiting of 'can't stop thinking about you'

3) You are centered on women, not on yourself. Unless you fix that, happiness will keep evading you. You had what, one date with a random woman? And that cut you so much it is exhausting? Think about this deeply
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>>34136364
LMAO.
Holy projection and assumption.

1) I've dated a lot of Chinese women and I've been to China. I don't have issues meeting attractive Chinese women, especially in China.

2) I don't speak Chinese to rizz up Chinese women, however, it is unexpected, is very appreciated and makes me stand out.

3) I was in no way "drooling" over her. We flirted the entire night, took her to my spot, we kissed, I suggested we go back to my place, she said she had to get up early and suggested Friday night instead because she doesn't need to get up early. She told me about her remote work before we even went on the date. Not a single "big romantic effort" had been made.

4) My message to her of "I can't stop thinking about her" wasn't even serious. You have to be retarded to literally think I was 100% absolutely serious when typing this out to her. In my head, I was just playing off of how she kept saying she had a great time. Now maybe that reads differently to her but I wasn't actually serious about thinking of her that much.

5) No shit these women are here for an experience and not a relationship. In fact I try to keep all my dates simple as possible. Most of them are Match - Chat - Number - Get boba - My place - Smash.

6) Yes, I had 1 date with this woman, whom I spent about 2.5 hours with. I say it's exhausting because you can literally say or do one thing and she gets the ick. It doesn't happen with all women I go out with but I find it annoying when it does.

The only thing I'll agree with you is that deep down I'm a lover. When I meet women I actually like, the inner lover wants to come out an it is hard to suppress. For a long time, up until mid last year I've been the player, a dry spell for me was not sleeping with anyone for over 4 days. I think I've gotten to the point where I don't really enjoy hookups as much unless I actually like the girl. I've literally sabotaged dates because I felt it wasn't worth the effort to hookup.
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>>34136066
>>34136070
>they want you to be nonchalant but when talking to em you also need to be as cautias a bomb diffuser
happens every time
>get your foot in the door by saying the right combinations of words to get her number
>flirt her up to get a date
>date goes well, they seem into you
>think you're in, get more relaxed, think you can talk more casually
>they slowly stop replying, but keep being friendly
>it's over
It would be a lot more bearable if there was a moment where it was clear that it went wrong there, but instead you get this period where she still keeps replying, but with greater intervals each time. It's like giving a starving animal some breadcrumbs when you know you're gonna let it die anyway.
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>>34136902
>4) My message to her of "I can't stop thinking about her" wasn't even serious. You have to be retarded to literally think I was 100% absolutely serious when typing this out to her. In my head, I was just playing off of how she kept saying she had a great time. Now maybe that reads differently to her but I wasn't actually serious about thinking of her that much.
In the end, all that matters is perception, and that comes across as needy.
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How to hate women general when?
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>>34136939
it's easy, just interact with them for more than 5 minutes
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>>34136902
Are you the black guy? Are you in the US? where do you find these succulent Chinese ladies? normal dating apps or chinese specific ones?
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>>34136902
You may disagree, still you got your reflection shown to you, even if it is not how you want to see yourself. This is one of the lessons life is trying to teach you, to be attentive to how you are being received based on your actions and words, instead of focusing on how you feel about it

Here is your mirror again:

>When I meet women I actually like, the inner lover wants to come out an it is hard to suppress

You are confusing word lover with that needy part inside of you. Lover is a state achieved through building intimate connection with a certain specific woman, not projecting your needs and ideas on someone you just met and which will take months for you to know. What you describe is what society calls a fuckboy, not a lover. The root of the word is love. Love is build, not given away at every corner like a cheap ad promo

Here is another mirror:

Notice that for a long time you have been into easy intimacy, where even 4 days of no sex was a profound event. Notice that if we would describe any substance, that would be an issue. Notice how one date without intimacy upsets you so much you call it an extreme word 'exhausting' while allegedly being a well saturated player

I will tell you this, with care: you are trying to find your happiness in other people, and when you don't you blame them. While the common thing in all of it is you

You may disagree, you may agree, in the end it is up to you what to do with it
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For those of you in this thread who do have gfs or wives where did you meet them and how did you approach and ask them out?
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>>34136364
>>34137361
Different anon, I see this in myself. Thank you
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>>34137649
I met my wife on a trip to space. I said "i wonder what the weather is like down there". Jeff bezos recieved a big payment from me for it.
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>>34134946
Likes me
Not fat (optional)
Has XX chromosomes (optional)
Has a pulse (optional)
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my hot 10/10 ex dumped me 5 months ago. after striking out on 10+ dates with a mix of attractive/mid women, I now have acquired a fat fuck buddy. She's not obese, I guess chubby. she's kind of cute, 13 years younger than me, same as my last couple of gfs. I felt ashamed when i was in public the day after I fucked her in my car.
she keeps texting me. I'm tempted to go for another fuck to see her in another light. Her head game was ridiculous, do fat girls just produce more saliva?
How many times can you fuck a fat girl before you start losing it?

Also talked to a couple girls today, one I just tried a pickup
>put your number in my phone
>I said this as she passed me reading a book on a bench
>She paused for a sec, did a kind of scoff and said "i'm ok"
>her friend kept walking without her
I thought about it later, I could have kept eye contact and said "are you sure you're ok? It took you a while to comprehend what I said"
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>>34139073
Where did you meet her?
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>>34139073
Charity session time

>I now have acquired a fat fuck buddy

That's a huge mistake, it is a choice you keep repeating out of desperation. Notice how you are lowering your standards, you are directly signaling that you are unhappy and regretful

You are wasting your time in this inbetween because you are afraid to pause, to zoom out, to assess what is going on with you and to change it drastically

You are eating fastfood from the floor, instead of taking the new big steps to afford the healthy restaurants

I will also bring your attention that you are wasting that woman time, because she doesn't actually know it in her heart that you are one leg out already. Out of your selfish needs you are bonding this woman to yourself for her to be heartbroken soon. This is how you create single mothers, hookers, onlyfans women, perpetually unhappy fuckgirls

The choices you are making right now are bad for your body, for your soul, for your mind. You are making the world worse, and yourself worse. Step up. Its way easier than it can feel right now, and in few months you would be wondering why didn't you start getting your shit together sooner (having a woman just for sex and being embarassed to be seen with her as a certain kind of low, on the level of alchoholism)

>put your number in my phone
>I said this as she passed me reading a book on a bench

Thats not a pickup. Thats an act of public disrespect, signaling to that living breathing human being that you see her on the same level as a street trash. Hello is not needed, asking a name is not needed, having human conversation and connection is not needed, just a direct command you would give to a dog

Notice how from your point of view its strength:

> I could have kept eye contact and said "are you sure you're ok? It took you a while to comprehend what I said"

And from her point of view its 'is this asshole really souring my day out of nowhere, and for no reason?'

>did a kind of scoff and said "i'm ok"
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Anyone have any advice on fucking jeetas from gas stations or convenience stores? I've been thinking of stopping at one weekly on my drive home from my weekly tabletop game (I'm not fat). I've had girlfriends before. I was thinking of trying to get a sheltered jeeta esp if she's working there alone I can flirt a bit and ask if she likes working there and just see if she's receptive. if she is I will do it a couple times and then maybe slip her my phone #.

Has anyone done this?
And how do i avoid underage jeetas?
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>got to know this 18yo chick at gym
>She was sorta flirty and giggling when we spoke
>Her sister kind of liked me too in some friendly way
>The chick liked my ig stories
>I liked hers
>Started dming
>Suggested training togheter
>She's down
>We ended up meeting for said gym session
>It was pretty fun, we laughed and spoke lots
>She did the usual female shit of "drive safe aha" when i was dropping her off at home

Ok so now how do i proceed?
I imagine i have to take her for a REAL date.
Theres also large age gap between us
Her 18, me 33. She doesnt seem to care and didnt ask lol, but she 99% knows from her sister I spoke with
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>>34136934
I guess the only thing is to simply never relax and always be nonchalant.

>>34136938
I agree that their perception is really all that matters, "needy" is a very broad spectrum. If I a girl messaged me that she couldn't stop thinking about me, I'd never consider that needy unless she's literally spamming it. Needy to me is someone who texts me all the time, asks for validation 24/7, asking me to hangout with them every day, etc.

>>34137361
My philosophy is that if I go out with a girl visiting and we don't fuck, it IS a waste of my time. Hence why I choose cheap dates. As I said, there were plenty of times I've gone out with girls and realized I CBA to fuck her. If the girl is local, then I am fine not fucking for a few dates.

I know my type the moment I see them, whether is looks, personality or a combination. Some, despite being my type, give me the ick but that is quite rare. The problem is that most of them are visiting.

Maybe "lover" may not be the best word I'm exactly trying to convey. It's like I have to act I don't give 2 shits about any of the girls I meet. Personally, I hate that. But over the years I realized the more I don't care, the more success I have. I CANNOT be genuine (at least until they are 100% in). Girls I've had situation-ships with or that turned into girlfriends all started with me not caring about them. But when I meet a girl I actually like and vibe with, it's hard to act like I don't care. I'm busy with my own life but I always make time for people who I want to see. If that makes me needy then I guess I'm needy.

Literally had a date with a Chinese girl a few weeks ago, date went perfect, shared hobbies, she said multiple times, "I'm free the next two weeks, just message me whenever you want to hang out." Made sure I got home and told me how glad she was to go out with followed by 5 emojis. Hit her up the next day saying I'd be free X Day, lets do Y. Ghosted.

>>34136945
Yes, Yes, regular dating apps or Red Note.
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Why do they match and then act like this? Am I really that boring and unfunny? Or do they match guys just to use them for attention and fuck with them?
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>>34139798
Yes bro those messages are so bad I'm cringing.
dont compliment them so easily when you don't even know them, definitely dont go you're cute, no you're REALLY cute!! dont compare them to a toilet dont demand them to meet you after you get 3 1word replies obviously that's not gonna work.
Regardless some girls just reply like this even if you send normal messages. If they show low interest just drop them.
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>>34124423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbkysPTnHc
Social media has primed an environment where this type of degeneracy is not only accepted, it thrives. Social media desensitizes and radicalizes even moderates into believing heinous and abhorrent behavior is acceptable under the correct context. Spend just 5 minutes on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, you will find hordes of these deranged people. They exist among us. The FBI knows about them but never acts until it is far too late. Western society is on a one-way fast track to collapse as long as social media continues to destroy minds and decay the culture.
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>>34139798
Your messages come across as needy and desperate. She knows she's cute, 50 other guys on the app today have already told her. Find something unique about her profile and engage her with it. You'll cut to the front of the line. If her messages are still this dry, she's probably just on the app to relish in the attention and validation. Block her and move on.
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>>34139798
Some women just don't know how to converse. It's that simple.
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>>34124423
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Charity session, because you really need some help

>>34139798
Firstly, rest your eyes on your screenshot and squint making the image blurry. Notice the energy exchange. Thats is how you talk to women. Your sexual polarity is reversed

Lets go line by line. You open with weirdest shit to say. You compliment not her, not her choice, but and item in the image, then instantly throw negative stuff. Did you try to shame her for the photo she took? Why would you do that? Do you want to romance her, or do you want to judge her as an opener? In what world do you seduce people by making them feel bad?

She focuses on word cute, so throws in this neutral filler reaction to see what's next. You procced with this retarded pseudo-alpha PUA strategy you learned somewhere, by doing direct complement now, adding this condescending 'though' and throwing in judgement again - is the tattoo real? Notice her mood changing as an effect. She came for romance and fun, and some asshole starts moralizing out of nowhere

She answers neutrally that it is temporary. At this point you already lost any romantic interest, she is being polite. Your next move? Like a CIA interrogator, without explanation you start questioning her, without any empathy

What do you get in return? Direct rejection. A cold decisive no

Your bright move? Strong sexual advance towards someone whos romantic interest you nuked with unnecessary negativity, unchecked ego and pick-up move you learned somewhere

She is running away from you emotionally, and you are screaming at her back that you are so hot shit she must prove yourself to you

I implore you to sit down with yourself, and reread this post twice. You trying to act out a character that is not really you, you are emotionally and socially blind so far, and if you keep going like this loneliness will be your loyal wife

>Why do they match and then act like this?
Asked the guy switching from pretend-alpha to nice apologetic soft guy in literally two last sentences
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>>34139798
>match with girl
>her profile is barren
>open with basic question about her to try to get anything to work with
>doesn't respond
Zoomettes really are fucked socially
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>>34140085
>Find something unique about her profile and engage her with it.
There's nothing on there literally just a couple pics. I struggled to think of anything interesting to say.

>>34140072
I was just trying to say literally anything based off a borderline empty profile. But yeah I will not say "ur cute" anymore at all, I'll cut that out completely.

>>34140133
>Firstly, rest your eyes on your screenshot and squint making the image blurry. Notice the energy exchange. Thats is how you talk to women. Your sexual polarity is reversed
Yeah that's what I don't know how to do. When they send a 1 word reply, I immediately think "ok you don't give a fuck" and I should just leave it. I hate being the one who types more.

>You open with weirdest shit to say. You compliment not her, not her choice, but and item in the image, then instantly throw negative stuff.
So should I compliment her or not? Like I don't want to post the pic but it's basically her in a green dress in a bathroom she didn't even close the stall door to. There's nothing else to say honestly.

>I implore you to sit down with yourself, and reread this post twice. You trying to act out a character that is not really you, you are emotionally and socially blind so far, and if you keep going like this loneliness will be your loyal wife
The problem is if I "bee myself" I see that profile with zero info and I have to think of some random shit to say. Maybe I should just ignore her profile and ask her favorite kind of food next time or some stupid shit.

Your post is right though I just don't know what I could even do different.
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>ask out girl in person, first two dates go really well have sex
>tells me I’m handsome have a great smile omg I feel like in a movie anon I can’t stop touching you
>wants to take cute pictures together like were bf and gf and sends them to me
>she is into music in art
>get tickets to local show
>seems excited but I gotta go home for holidays
>she texts less and takes forever to respond (I’m not bombing her with needy shit I swear)
>whatever I’ll just see her for the date and play it cool
>fast forward two weeks
>go with her she seems happy music is great have a good time go for walk on the beach
>go to kiss her
>sorry anon I don’t feel like being romantic today
>realize this is basically her telling me to fuck off
>walk back to show venue where car is parked, band is there she was fawning over all show
>make one last play where I ask if she wants to talk to the now but she’s shy
>push/direct her to them and she and I talk to them and it goes really well she looks genuinely happy and showing them her art
>as soon as we’re back to the car she goes cold again
>walk her to her car and tells me I’m a great guy yadda yadda yadda but doesn’t see a spark and gives me a stupid smile and says sorry

You can seemingly make all the right moves and have luck and things go well but if they decide they don’t like you then that’s fucking it. It doesn’t matter if you show them good stuff happens to them when they’re with you or you’re good at sex or any previous good will. Guarantee she found someone else while I was away and moved to the next better thing like all hypergamous whores. At least I had some success but this is so demotivating
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I already have hobbies that you have to grind to improve in (art and exercise), is the key to getting laid just getting the improvement process I follow for those hobbies and applying it to hitting on women?
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>>34124423
Heres the sitch:
>be me, 27, /fit/ 5'9", huwhite
>there are two gym girls I am super attracted
>like dying to talk to
Problem
>one of them is my height, the other is my height, potentially taller
>they take working out srsly

How the fuck do I go about this, im worried ab rejection due to height and or spilling my spaghetii
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>>34141611
the trick to getting laid is talking to many many woman
and lose your fear of rejection
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>>34142235
see >>34142385
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>>34140085
>Find something unique about her profile and engage her with it.
nta but a lot of girls just have the most dogshit profiles that it might as well be a cold approach, there's really nothing you can start a convo on. Half the time I just shoot a like anyway because they're attractive and in the rare case that they do match I'm totally fucked
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Hey guys, need advice
>27, single
>have a belly button fetish, a stomach noise fetish, and a vore fetish
>unsurprisingly, struggled w/ meeting women IRL
>try meeting people through kink communities
>belly button fetish community's a sausage fest, women who aren't looking for relationships w/ men, and grifters
>stomach noise community's much of the same
>vore community is at least half furries (no thanks)
>other half is mostly other preys, any pred girls I do meet are either just not interested in finding a relationship online, or already found one
>decided "fuck it, trying to find someone with a shared kink is putting the cart before the horse, time to try my luck IRL"
>don't know where to meet women IRL
Where should I go exactly? Do I have to treat finding a relationship like a second full-time job? Should I even take dating apps seriously? Because I haven't
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>>34142601
stop leading with kinks

Most women don't want to hear about fetishes until they trust you. That shit is supposed to come after you established the relationship.

I also think you're hurting yourself by trying to solve everything upfront, most relationships don't start with perfect sexual compatibility, they start with basic attraction, shared values, and ease of conversation, and kinks usually come later once there's trust. Trying to filter for niche fetishes first will just shrink your pool to almost nothing and keep you stuck online. For meeting women IRL, just focus on places with repeated, low-pressure interaction, classes, hobby groups, gyms, volunteering, social clubs, friends-of-friends stuff, where you can just be a normal, consistent presence instead of "a guy trying to date."

Dating apps are worth taking semi-seriously as a supplement, decent photos, a normal bio, no kink talk, and expect most matches to go nowhere because that's just how the numbers work.

>Do I have to treat finding a relationship like a second full-time job?
It doesn't have to be a second full-time job you sperg, but it does require steady effort and reps, and the bigger issue here isn't your fetishes so much as scarcity mindset and over-optimization, just find someone you actually like first, then see if the sexual side lines up, and if it doesn't, you move on.
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>>34142633
I don't even mention my kinks outside said kink communities, so we're good on that front.
I thin the reason why I started with the kink community stuff was partly due to the pandemic, and partly due to being irrationally worried I'd end up stuck in a relationship where I wouldn't have an outlet for them.
That being said, how exactly do I find these places? Do I have to dive into Facebook and go find events and shit? The friends-of-friends thing isn't really the optimum path because I don't have many close friends and most of my coworkers are either married or in relationships already, so who knows if they'll be as helpful as people say meeting people through mutual friends is
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>>34142816
Just pick 1-2 social activities that force repeated interaction (classes, climbing gym, dance lessons, volunteering, hobby meetups) and become a regular, that’s where attraction actually forms. Facebook, Meetup, Eventbrite, local rec centers, gyms, and community colleges are unglamorous but effective, search your city + "classes," "meetup," or the hobby itself and commit for a few months instead of dabbling once. Friends-of-friends is overrated if your network is thin, so build a wider one first. Dating apps are fine as a side channel, not the main plan.

And the kink fear is understandable, but solvable later, you don't need to lock in sexual compatibility on date one, all that matters is dating someone open-minded enough that the conversation can happen once trust exists.
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I've gotten "it's ok" twice in a row. What is it about this phrasing that offends me? I don't like having any emotion show when they try to say no, but this one has been catching me by surprise at how dismissive and belittling it sounds.
I want to say something like "what's ok?" But my body has already taken it as a rejection so I feel like it would come out unnatural and strained and I'm just focusing on a calm and chill exit--or is that the shit test? The fact that such a phrase could turn me over like that, the fact that I can't play with her? Like, any time you get something other than a straight up "no", isn't it just an obstacle she's putting up?
I have a boyfriend " ok we'll good for you, I have an uncle, name another

Anyway, fuck my ex for dumping me. This was one of the things I was dreading when I thought she was going to dump me, that I had to do this stupid fucking bullshit again. Lift up fucking hay one by one until I find a fucking needle god damn no fucking thanks.
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I'm getting a hooker next Saturday
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>>34126093
>Move on. When women want you they will be very active in getting your time and attention
wtf is this?
do shy women not exist anymore?
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>Match with someone
>Talk to her
>Offer to speak on whatsapp if it's easier
>Sends a message back
>Open app
>Her account is gone
>Kind of retarded app that removes the messages if someone unmatches or temporarily deactivates their account
>Never know what she said
>Few weeks later get another message from her
>It's a few hours before I see the notification because I'm asleep
>Open app
>Her account is gone again
>Don't get to read that message either

At first I thought maybe she was calling me a weirdo and she unmatched me, but when she sent a second message I'm starting to think she was asking why I never gave her my number/why I did add her yet.
Why don't these apps want me to be happy? It's probably the worst one I've used tbf. I have a friend who uses it too. We're both the same age and live in the same area, but some people show for me and not him, some people he can message or match with right away or vice-versa and the other has to pay. It seems completely arbitrary and a retarded method.
I might make my own dating website. Going to give everyone on /adv/ a gold membership or whatever because this is bullshit.
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>get likes on dating apps
>it's all asian women despite not being attracted to asians

I do find some Asian girls appealing if they have nice, curvy bodies like white/Latina girls but all of the ones I get likes from are demure stick types. I imagine that's someone's ideal but not mine.
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I keep getting told I don't inspire a spark in the women I get dates with. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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>>34144477
you need to make women FEEL EMOTIONS anon
on your next date slowly grab a knife from your pocket and see how she reacts
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>>34144517
This, but unironically. By putting a woman in danger you will increase her heartbeat. The increased heartbeat will trick the woman into thinking that she's into you.
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>>34144477
I agree with the other anons you're too safe. You need to flirt and escalate more, not doing enough is worse than doing too much. In the former they will "feel no spark" or think you're not interested or a pussy, in the latter you can just apologize you gain respect and they will feel desired.
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>>34144477
If I had to guess you're not displaying enough physical interest. We expect you to make a move, so when you don't we assume you didn't want to.
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>>34144693
>we
I swear, /adv/ is full of trannies
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>>34141454
Amazingly she's actually continued responding.
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Is it a good sign that a person you're about to go on a date with regularly texts you for 4 hours every night?
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>match girl on hinge
>send message
>she gives reply
>can't figureout what to respond for 3 days
>she probably not interested anymore so give up and just check every day to see if she unmatched me yet
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>>34147608
>Match with girl on hinge
>She replies fast and enthousiastic
>Ok, feeling 'we are back'
>Send another message, nothing abnormal
>Close app
>One minute later, think of another good reply
>Open app to send it also, don't see her in my conversations anymore
>Chest becomes heavy, breathing stops, feel like I got shot in the head.
I have reached the point where everytime I check my messages, I'm more checking for whether they have unmatched/blocked me yet instead of for a reply.
Also, slept over at a girl's place two weeks ago after a date, had intimate sex with lot's of kissing and hugging, made her cum multiple times, even had a moment where I came inside her and she came simultaneously in a very romantic way. She was lusting after me the whole time and called me cute and stuff... I thought I was in.
The week following that, she barely replied and now she's stopped replying at all.
>Feeling It's over (for real)
This fickle behaviour of women should not be allowed to have such a profound impact on my mental state, but it does unfortunately.
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>>34147608
>>34147993
If you message a girl on a dating app, don't even assume she's human
She's either a bot or a 50 year old Indian man
Until you actually see her in person don't take anything seriously or personal
Odds are extremely high she sees you as even less than that
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>>34148148
>She's either a bot or a 50 year old Indian man
This must be a problem specifically for the US or something, I've never encountered it before in my cunt
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I'm bringing a girl home in a week for Netflix and chill. I'm a virgin.

My apartment is not big enough for a sofa so I just watch movies from my king bed.
I worry about what she might think, telling her to make herself comfortable on the bed to watch a movie might be a bit too direct.
I can turn my bed into two single beds and make a large L-shaped sofa from it, with big decorative pillows and everything, I can even put a coffee table in the middle, but I don't know what she'll think of me not having a bed, I personally associate sleeping on a couch with not having one's shit together.
Which of the two is better?
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>date with crush
>her life is a mess
>red flags
>downgraded as just another pump and dump girl
sigh...
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Which dating app has the least amount of normalfag women? I'm not so delusional that she'd be an omega-class sperg but at least have anime interests to a level beyond the most normalfag stuff. I'm less about looks and more about a girl who shares my interests as long as she isn't +200 pounds.
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>>34148795
many such cases
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>>34148789
How much work is is to turn the sofa back into beds? Have the sofa set up when she gets there watch a movie and fuck then shower and after shower move back to the bed and go cuddle to sleep.
Clean your apartment btw.
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>>34148809
Why apps? Are you movement impaired? Half ass some character cosplay and go to an anime convention. Girls there are easy
If you're in a third world country there's usually a few anime-themed discord servers brimming with single hags waiting to be groomed.
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>>34148911
It's actually a lot of work, your idea would have been nice otherwise.
What's the 2nd best option?
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>laugh reacts at my flirting attempt

It's over.
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>>34149023
probably keep the bed then you cant be sleeping on the couch separately in that L shape. setup the pillows best you can I suppose.
>>34149040
double down
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>>34149075
Thanks.
Made a map and made a thread about it, because just a written description might confuse some.
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>>34148941
Nah I just live in Indiana, we have like one con a year in the entire state
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>>34124423
I've been ghosted by nearly every woman I've truly wanted in uni (the ones I didn't want that much I had to do the same to myself), and I noticed a pattern. Upon digging up their profiles, a lot of these women I've wanted are also dating mediocre or average looking men, so it couldn't have been that I wasn't attractive enough. Now, I've always known they do it for attention, but I just had a realization that truly bothers me. They already have a boyfriend. They can get attention from any simp online 24/7. They can get attention from Chad on dating apps, and they can get attention from me who looks even better than their mediocre boyfriend. Yet they still can't have enough attention. Yet only a few pieces of shit get to fuck her, while the vast majority of men continue rotting. The whole "just don't care about this bro, just move on" doesn't work when this happens on repeat. If you don't hate women now, I don't know how you're able to do it. As for me, treating them like shit is my only recourse.
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>>34149378
>hate women
That's half the world. Is this is a healthy generalisation?
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>>34149117
Do the right. Your place is so small I doubt she'll question it.
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A girl in my sports club started showing interest (or at least, that's how I interpret it) in me lately. Meanwhile, I've been trying to get my coworker's attention (unsuccessfully).
I feel like the smart thing to do would be to give up on the latter and get together with the former, but I can't help but think that if my coworker suddenly starts to reciprocate, I might do the scum move and swing back to her.
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I’m 24 now and this has been my life; I got ruthlessly bullied by girls in my primary school, through intermediate it got better but there was still this animosity. Decided to go to an all boys high school after starting at co ed. Since leaving school I’ve worked in male dominated industries. The disconnect is so bad that I don’t really even feel anything for women anymore, and if I do it just fizzles away so quickly. I just hang out with the bros, that’s all I’ve been doing for years, little interaction with women.

I’m not a bad looking guy in fact I get a lot of attention, and I have a really high libido so it’s frustrating as hell.

This is how it’s gone for me. At 20 I worked with this girl and we were good mates and I liked her I’m pretty sure she liked me too, but it didn’t work out. Went on a couple dates with a girl a few months later from hinge, didn’t work out. Met this girl at a gym, didn’t work out. Girl at a bar, didn’t work out. Made out with an overweight chick I met on tinder and then split because it was so bad. Went out clubbing and met this chick at a club we made out for like an hour. She said she didn’t wanna come home with me but she came outside and we talked for awhile and I just split because I didn’t know wtf she wanted from me. I’ve had many situations where girls hit on me and stuff but my brain doesn’t work properly and I can’t respond. There’s just so much mental blockage. I decided to pay for sex to lose my v card before turning 24 because I didn’t really see any other way. Shit seems impossibly hard for me and most women are just out of my reach due to mental issues. What the hell do I even do? Is this just my life? Am I doomed to repeat the same pattern forever?
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>>34147993
I'm a huge social bum that will be making my dating profile really soon, but I have seen stories like this many times, to the point where I am thinking I should constantly trying to get as many dates with different girls as possible. Keep trying to match with others even if you have a date planned. Catch a wide net and date different girls, even if it is every other day or something. Seems many flake or find someone else or some other stupid excuse they will have to ghost you which perpetually wastes the mans time.
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>>34144477
You unironically need to do more. Invoke more emotion, more flirting and more confidence. I struggle because girls I'm so-so about I escalate perfectly cause I don't really care. Girls that I actually vibe with, I tend to play it more say, which ends up resulting in no-spark. It's something I'm working on.

Over my years of dating, I've noticed that the more bold I am from the get-go, the more success I have.

Meet them at location, ALWAYS go for a hug (no side hug), ALWAYS say "wow you look amazing in this outfit", ALWAYS grab their hand and spin them around, try to keep the date somewhat high energy or at least positive, invite them back to your place (optional kiss beforehand), hook up.

Think about the times you've went out on a date, were absolutely unimpressed and wanted to go home. Imagine that is how your dates felt during your date and followed up with a "no spark" text.

Women need to feel something. If you act like a low energy interviewer, of course there is no spark.
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Is it based to ask women who dont put out if they're demisexual?
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>>34148809
>>34149251
Here's some things I've figured out after going down that angle myself
>multiple dating apps are mandatory. The odds are not in your favor so you need volume instead. I started with just Hinge to practice on but I'm planning to ramp it up this year
>have pretty lax standards for what you consider nerd stuff. Even laxer than you think. You're investing, not cashing out. Just don't waste swipes on people you're obviously incompatible with
>you probably won't get a girlfriend directly by going to a con, but mentioning going to cons on your dating profile could buff your appeal
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>>34151266
Demisexuality and sapiosexuality are memes. Sure, lots of women want emotional connection before sleeping with a guy and they find intelligent men attractive, but it's not a separate sexuality, same way as I'm not boobsexual or goodheadsexual



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