Why wouldn't you be more worried about why dating is hard today than incels? Incels are not the cause of your problem.

I WILL NOT BE DISILLUSIONED

I just turned 25, how do I get a 15yo gf?

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Is it possible to get a schizoid gf? They appeal to me because I'm very asocial myself and don't care much for socializing but I still desire romance and sex.

My face barely makes emotions anymore. I don't know why. Is this good, bad, or neutral?

classic /htgwg/, people ask for advice and nobody ever answers

classic question posers cannot handle the answers they are given

>>34483066
Die, nigfer. Your general is useless

thanks for demonstrating my point, goober

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Taking off work tomorrow. Just going to go stay at my girls house for tomorrow and the weekend and smoke weed and fuck her and eat snacks and watch movies. She is still working on friday so I will just be at her house chillin house husband style. Love my life

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>>34482934
Its bad. Expressiveness is extremely attractive and its one of the things most neglected by modern pickup artists who have been infected by looksmaxx philosophy as well as "alpha male" type thinking. Both popular sub sects of pickup artistry place no value in expressiveness and they are very wrong.

"willingness to emote" is what mystrey called it. And it has long been known to be extremely attractive both in men and women. Its a natural quality for chads who operate at low levels of self consciousness and anxiety.

This girl is actually not that speical objectively. Its her expressiveness that made her some huge meme. Having this calibrated emotiveness can easily raise your face card several points.

>>34483074
You don't have a point, retard

>>34481589
responding to this from the last thread. thanks for the insight, it sounds like youre suggesting she doesnt want to do it because shes worried i may find her ugly or something, i was looking at it the opposite way, like shes trying to hide something from me, she gets dodgy when I suggest doing a voice call or exchanging face pics but is fine with sending me videos where she talks. Shes also a zoomer so maybe shes just like that.

Going to the club, two different groups invited me, tomorrow is a holiday so it will be full.

I was about to tell them I was ill to stay home and play wegs, but hey, might as well go and try.

Be yourself the best you can be.

>>34483128
damn

Do you guys have bodycount limits or have you all accepted that whatever will do

>>34483505
I have 1 so far. I'll know that time will tell in the future.

>>34483509
I meant for the girls
But sure, 1 is fine
I'm at 3 and I would like to stop at 4 and never have to do this again

>>34483517
I don't care that much but I prefer similar to me, and prefer they have less than me rather than more than me.

>>34483505
Lower than mine

>>34483505
For me? No sex outside of a committed relationship nor during the first few dates. Combine that with how slowly I get attracted to women that should keep the number reasonable. For her? Maybe nothing more than double my count as a very rough guideline with preferably all of them from long term relationships excluding assault. Ideally I'll go with someone who's roughly in the same spot as me. If by chance I rack up a high count I'd like to leave the less experienced women for the less experienced men as a gesture of kindness for them.

>>34483701
Yeah, I can't expect a virgin either after wasting myself with 3 sluts
I'll take what I can get, though no more than 5

>>34483505
0

I'm going to try to convince myself to go to a bar by myself for the first time. It is a local place down the street and I was always too anxious to go alone. I feel the live music will take the social pressure off of my head. I'd like to talk to people there but I probably won't unless someone talks to me first. Worse case i'll stand around holding a beer for an hour looking awkward like I usually do when I go to concerts, then go home and sleep.

The whole engineering class backstabbed me, I'm as alone as a dog in the club

Thankfully the econ students tthat were studying econ are entering or I'd kms

>>34484156
Update, I didn't have the balls to ask the bus girl for an instagram, but the econ girl was better anyways
Holding my hopes up.

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There's this cute colombian cashier at a bottle shop near home, pretty face and a nice body. I tried doing small talk with her weeks ago, it was akward, but it seems she didn't mind, she smiled and laughed a little. I couldn't see her until this week, she seems to smile every time she sees me (I'm not sure if it means anything, or is it just me). Yesterday, I went again to buy a beer, she was there (there are three cashiers working there, every time I went she wasn't there). I've successfully did small talk to her, she smiled and we laughed a bit. It was short, but I'm not trying to rush anything, it's not like she'll go anywhere. Bros, do I have a shot?

>>34484143
Just go with no expectations, listen to a live music, it's a fun experience. Then try again

I want to be a cold approach ligma male but the city near me has night life that is either dead or 80% brown people

>>34482676
Modern women are legit insane/irrational-delusional and as unstable as a wondering drifter addicted to drifting.
She's like:
>treat me nice= no, the opposite,
you do that then the drama stars. Cause they have to have the drama and act like a victim.

Say you're in a relationship, she'll spend you dry and herself too and at some whim or ick or whatever, say you get fired or sick, she's gone with some dude she kept fucking for a few months now.

Modern women are clearly a liability and they intentionally do it because they think they're worth it and the simp and whore culture is propping that up.

+Hysteria of not getting fucked enough because she refuses to get fucked because stubborn + 1001 fabricated icks +PMS just to get you to the menopause mood swings and all that crap.

Annoying faggot with a cunt that is totally not worth it at all that want to run your life and when she completely does it she's disgusted by it.

>>34485091
>It was short, but I'm not trying to rush anything
She's getting dick anyway.
You rush or you don't, female physiology says she's horny a few days/cycle and she's gonna fuck anyway, retard.
Just plug that hole and keep it plugged.

>>34483505
My bodycount is that I have a boner and i'd rather fuck a cunt than my hand.
That's my bodycount number.

>>34482934
You'll look like a killer and I'm not even trying to imagine the ick shower you're triggering.

>>34482676
Is the only option if you're using online dating apps to pay nowadays? I just got off a 3 year relationship and a couple months long sting with a work colleague. Tried all of them: tinder, hinge, breeze, bumble happn and I am barely getting ANYTHING. It didn't use to be like this 4 years ago.

Can anyuone confirm how big of a difference the premium shit makes?

>>34486728
I ran out of people in my 1 million populace city on hinge... consider that before buying premium, you might be close to the end, thus potentially wasting your money

>>34482676
I am nearing boredom, so like the anon said in a precious thread: time to up the risk factor.

Maybe I will go to T&T and practice my Chinese with random (female) shoppers ...

>>34483505
Nah man you have to be able to tell if she is a whore. I would never ask for the body count cause whores will just lie about it and you can’t disprove them.

Go out with her and get her drunk and travel with her. Do this a few times. Her mask will fall and you’ll see who she really is. This is much more reliable than asking her

anyone else go out with women you know you don't want a long term relationship with, just to get some social contact or action?

>>34486728
um, you're supposed to reply to all messages
log in constantly and swipe daily or the algorithm punishes you

and in a sense paying for that shit, is a signal that you're an active user, but the unlimited swipes and other features cause you to be less invested
which could hurt more than help

so no paying does not necessarily improve your chances

what would improve your chances is fraud maxing:
making sure every picture is of you in your best outfit at the most flattering angle and lighting.
and looks like you're at an exclusve event, or nice destination, with small signals of friend groupes (hands in the corners of pics, shoulders, but youre still the main focus)

Instead of going at it saying I'm gonna make a girlfriend say I'm gonna make friends.

>>34485289
Alright, fine, I just didn't want to be outed as a creep by going every day (Me being an amateur on this kind of stuff). What calls my attention is that although she smiles and does small giggles, she tends to rush up the talk, as in "Buy thing ==> she checks out ==> g'bye". I'll see what I can do.

Alright here is the clearest sign a girl likes you. If she does not do this, you can rest assured you don't have to date her. If a girl you like does not find you reliable for being human as a big part of her life, she does not like you.

>>34488154
balls deep, son, forget the giggles, get some drink sin there and have a place and you're in

>>34486909
Well obviously, many times. I think the hip term for it is situationship

"Date the people who are easiest to hook up as they are the real ones who need love not the hot ones!"

To that I say: "Too damn easy."

>>34489317
Adding on to that. To give figurtive language here.

Given that it is easier to take a shit and eat shit. Would that be more fulfilling as opposed to eatting a real grilled salmon and veggies meal?

Is it a good or bad thing if women always assume you have a girlfriend or are having sex regularly despite being a turbo virgin?

>>34489659
Obviously good.

Meet this girl at party talk for like an hour and get her insta. She messages me the next day asks me if I got home ok. Say yes and she's like good. Ask her out for drinks the next msg and she doesn't respond. Should we have chatted on insta more? I only asked her out so soon because I'm leaving town for two weeks and only have time to see her again this weekend.

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>>34489777
No, you did everything right and acted in a normal way when it comes to dating. But sometimes bitches just do stupid shit. This is not a "you" problem, it's a her problem. Give her a little time and don't be afraid to "double text" one time if you really like the girl. Just be playful and confident. If she is still nothing then there is nothing you could have done. Don't overthink it.

>>34489662
After growing up a bitchless loser I'm having trouble cementing this view people have of me now into my identity. Any advice?

If you have desperately try very hard to be around her as opposed to it being smooth or turning smooth. Ain't the right one.

>>34489834
Thanks I'm always stuck between whether to chat more or ask her out. Chat more can lead to a fun convo and good vibes leading to high chance of a date. Asking out straight away may feel too early, but you can dodge dry convos via text. Will probably reach out when again when I get back.

>>34489877
You already had an hour long in-person conversation so asking her on a date is completely normal at this stage. This is not "too soon" to ask.
So she is either in to you or not. Everything else is a waste of time.

>>34483505
I just accept marriage aint happening unless shes super rich

I matched with a really attractive girl who has all her pictures hiking. We talked about hiking for a few messages and I said something along the lines of "we should go sometime". She dismissed it and said she does not hike with strangers for safety which is totally understandable and changed the subject. She didn't unmatch me but I feel like I just dug myself in a hole. In my response should I just ignore it and move on or should I say something like I didn't mean to invite you or something?

>>34483505
Idk if I have limits but my ex had 20 and that was too much for me. Probably would've married her otherwise.

>>34483505
Depends on her age and her general attitude
Really if you're a woman and you make it to your late 20s without locking down a man you're probably a nightmare no matter how high or low your bodycount is

in this digital age, how do you even approach a stranger that you find attractive? I've seen some bombshells that make me almost stand up but it feels creepy to approach someone to basically tell them they are hot and I wanna talk.
I'm guessing place is important, say a bar vs restaurant but the kind of girl I want probably isnt at a bar so I'm fucked with this logic

>>34483505
total number isn't important, duration matters. the best case scenario is a dating history that looks like a sentence in morse code. someone who only has dashes has a problem and someone who only has dots has a major problem

>>34489777
you should have asked her for drinks at the party, to her face. showing up as a text box later is way less sexy

>>34490208
Just wait until you find yourself doing something of note that you could share with her. Msg her then tell her "im doing this right now" (Use better and more words to seem excited. Go from there.

Can I use video chat websites to get experience talking to girls? Is it worthwhile at all? I kind of want to get better at speaking with strangers and developing my charisma.
Its still a degree of seperation from real life, but at least you can see and verbally communicate. I feel like it at least has to be better than DM'ing or texting.

>>34491488
not necessarily, sometimes it's the guy's fault. it's hard to blame a woman who tried hard with someone who after a few years just wasn't worth it anymore. a failed tr can eat up 5 years easily, if she got into it after college that already makes her 27-29. one must considered the circumstances

>>34491924
no, that just teaches you to be good at video chatting. if you want to get better at talking to girls irl you have to do it irl

Remember what the difference is between someone who is level-headed and tempermental.

>>34491934
I don't get to get out since im a neet who lives in the middle of nowhere with no car.
Surely viseo chatting can gelp me develop some charisma at least?

>>34491865
You don't
If you are in this thread, you are not the kind of guy who can get away with it

>>34492324
maybe I am! I just dont know how!

>>34483505
I'm a virgin, but I'm comfortable with her having been with 5 or 6 guys before me. 10+ is where I draw the line.

>>34491950
video chatting isn't even a simulation of social interaction, it's two separate people talking to screens with distractions in their simultaneous actual real lives. irl communication has massive elements of social cues and nonverbal communication that you'll also have to master. you'll get more out of working a retail job

>>34490208
it was a mistake to jump to a second date hike without an initial meeting. she doesn't know you from adam, it's just good sense not to meet up with a stranger alone in the woods for either sex. however, she didn't unmatch you and she actually gave you an answer, which might mean she's not uninterested. try to get her out for coffee or a drink instead, when she sees you're not planning to cut off her face and wear it as a mask she'll probably be more inclined to the hike

I'm 23 and just recently ended things the girlfriend I've had since I was 19. Things got dicey when I moved from the northeast US to the southwest.

I wasn't in a rush to get into anything but I want to start putting some feelers out there now that it's been a few months. How do you start a conversation with a woman in public? I feel like I'm overthinking it but I am genuinely terrified of it even though I've seen some good looking women. How do you hype yourself up to do it?

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I got rejected after confessing my feelings for a girl I've been hanging out with for 2 months. It was a mature rejection, it wasn't really a rejection, but more of "I don't know."
A loss is still a loss.
I didn't feel anything at the time since I was understanding and mature about it, but I now can't fall asleep constantly thinking of her, of what could had been. Now I don't know. Do things just awkwardly end? What's the point of hanging out with her if I know I won't gain anything or her thinking she's leading me on. Such a weird experience.

If a beautiful woman loves you, she will go out of her way for you. If you have to constantly and I mean constantly go out of your way and she is just pathetically giving you low tier treatment, not worth it. Dude, you got to be someone she earnestly wants to be around with. That means she wouldn't let how you don't have a car get to her, because she'll drive you, she won't let how you are living with your parents get to her either okay? She has to kind of go out of her way. Women who complain about you not having a car or any of that are only saying that because they are upset with paying taxes for bums, not because if you get a car you'll win her.

How do I get a women who's really in to sex and will start cam whoring with me?

>>34497026
You need to be complex in a sexy way.

>>34497031
What happened to your trip?

>>34497061
4chan removed the ability to have it. I'll still try to have it nonetheless.

>>34497064
I don't care what others say, among tripfags you're a pretty cool guy Zach. I hope you find your perfect girl soon.

>>34483440
won't get on camera? have you met irl yet? if not, she's either a ham planet or a dude

>>34484143
how did it go anon?

How to date a girl in like Russia when you're not in Russia and your don't speak Russian but are pretty close to the border or something like what tf am I doing here. ?

>>34497166
learn Russian

>>34496008
you waited too long. why duff you wait months to ask her out? gotta strike while the iron is hot

>>34495786
you know what happens when you don't. so dive into the urge to find out what happens if you do, because you never know how a woman is going to react. you may THINK you know but you really don't. the only way to find out is to do it.

i typically just got for a quick complement on hair/nails/shoes/outfit (something she can control or put time into) and then introduce myself. "hey i love what you did with your hair! oh thank you! my name's anon what's yours?"

boom convo started.

Instead of whining and going on about how you can't do anything as a guy due to being single and alone look at how you have a Burger King Flame Burger and be like, holy shit I have a delicious burger, and talk about that. If you can't sell anything about yourself to a woman, at least try to sell to her you are laid back.

You know what? Are you carrying a rag tainted with chlorfoam?

So you're not the worst guy in the world right.

Boom, you're still datable. Stop beating yourself up.

I was at this bar/dance club and started talking to this girl and her friend. Things went well and we were making out and dancing, but then she said she was going to the bathroom with friend and I never saw her again. When she said she was going to the bathroom I kinda figured it was over, but I still held on to a slim hope I would see her again.

My friend later said I could have complimented her like saying she has pretty eyes or something to lock it in. Does that actually work? I realize I seldom give compliments to girls and am wondering if I should be irl or via text more and if it actually works. Also wondering what else I could have done differently to close the deal with this girl. I didn't get her ig which was a mistake, though there was no time it felt natural to ask. Should I have just asked straight away?

>>34497150
She’s sent me videos and pictures of herself just not her face and we did a voice call on Saturday.and she told me how much she enjoyed it. Something must’ve given her the ick because she told me today after a day of not talking that she’s good to be at hers dads for a while and won’t be able to hang out

I have had maybe 30 conversations with women I met on a dating app. They all stop talking to me at some point, and I am excluding the ones that ask for money in which case I stop talking to them.

How come this keeps happening? When they don't respond, I follow the rule of "one text, two text, no response, move on".

So do you ask for a woman's Instagram...? I know snap is just for nudes.

>>34497231
nta but interesting, I'll give it a shot. Last time I talked something casual like the weather.

I'm scared to approach women in public because let's say.... It has happened twice where they were not 18...

>>34498687
pdf ahh unc

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>lost wizard status a month ago thanks to Hinge
>been dating same girl since
>not sure if she is my gf but think she probably is
>have wanted to cut relationship off
>no common interests
>literally just hang out, go places, or have sex
>seem like generic activities that can be done with anyone
>can't cut it off because sex too addictive
>finally think I'm ready to cut it off
>get sent a rose on Hinge today
>start chatting
>girl is much more interesting
>get asked out
>still haven't broken things off with first girl
>mfw might be a cheater already

Fuck. Gotta exit this first one before doing anything with this new girl.

>>34499140
You don't as she's probably fucking someone else too. You don't owe the privileged gender anything.

Why is there not a "How to Get Men General" for us girls?

>>34499228
trololol

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>>34499140
Just fuck em both.
It's called dating.
Until you've had the WHAT ARE WE talk it's perfectly OK to date multiple ladies.

>>34499228
you foids only need to looksmaxx, a man has to maxx very much every stat so...

>>34499228
Because it usually consists of an extreme view towards intellectually high class America. You ladies never give men who suffer a chance at times. You always want a guy who can wing it at life, but can't be satisfied when a guy is struggling. My grandmother was satisfied when my grandfather was struggling and failing, and you need to do the same. Wanting a boyfriend who is the top dog of the party room is bullshit. Try a guy who is human.

>go to ren fair
>girl my age (ew) starts hanging onto me
>girl younger and hotter keeps staring at me, spoke to her earlier, she was showing a lot of interest
>ignore the older one, start talking to the younger one
>say she should meet me somewhere at a certain time later that week, she says yes
>go back to older one, drives me home and we make out
>next day, plan to go fuck the older one, younger one shows up at fuck meetup spot (shit)
>completely avoid younger one, but she sees me with the older one
>wondering now if she will come to the date or not

What do you think lads? I felt really off, denied fucking the older one that night. The younger one kept getting into my vicinity but her little brother would stare angrily at me whenever we talked so I just thought we should meet away from her family at another place.

>>34499228
>Why
because you didn't created it. Are you so entitled that you even want men to create threads for you?
but anyway you can check archives, they were usually dying quickly

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I'm a tall, handsome guy, but I mostly stay indoors.

Whenever I do go out, women already give me hungry looks.

I can only see how many opportunities I missed now.

If they haven't messaged you back in a few days it's safe to unmatch them and move on right?

>get woman
>she dumps all her anxieties and hang ups on you
>wish you never got woman

>fat
>bald
>bit autistic
But talking to women when going out and getting numbers or kissing is just so easy. I don't know why.
Too bad I have a gf so I can't really get on dates after getting their numbers or a kiss.

You know what? Let's the crap out about us turning out to be ultra successful award winning geniuses as nerds, and just give to women as nerd as being an ordinary guy who just happens to like her.

>>34501719
Let's cut the crap out*

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>>34499228
Probably not enough women on 4chan interested in maintaining one. There's probably equivalent threads on primarily female imageboards but I don't know enough about them to have any recommendations

I've banged maybe 15 different women. Many of which were gfs. Some nights I am haunted by all of them. They return to my mind and I recall the callousness and indifference I had to their feelings. I consider what could've been, their perspectives, and what I'd say to them now. It gets exhausting and need to turn on the lights and distract myself with my phone. This is even on days when I've been to the gym and am tired. God is just

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a woman rejected me because she still thinks of another guy who doesn't even live in the sane country or even was in a relationship with. guess all I have to do is move on. man it hurts.

>>34502436
I went one w date that went well we watched the fireworks and made out and 2 days later she told me her ex called and her they’re going to try to work it out lol. Yeah it’s dumb but it happens

I only feel confident about myself once or twice a month. The rest of the time I feel like I am too strange and creepy for any girl to be interested in and am ashamed of advertising myself on dating apps. Has anybody succeeded in attaining unwavering confidence?
>inb4 lift
Ive been doing that for almost a year.

Fucked up with a girl that was heavily interested in me. In abscence of providing too much material, we met in an online space but only had a couple of intense conversations a short time before we met irl. When we met irl it was as part of a much wider group situation. I know for a fact she was very interested in me and gave me a ton of signals over the weekend. The situation just didn't seem right to meet someone for the first time under, there was tension between us from the first time we spoke and we never really had the privacy or time together to work through that awkwardness. Ultimately lots of signals, IOIs all weekend but just didnt feel right for me. Eventually she got a bit annoyed by the whole lack of action and ducked me for the last night and has continued that afterwards. I didn't chase at all the second I realised she was pulling away. Is this situation recoverable?

I mean it in the least incel-ish, blackpill way possible but how do you cope with the fact that literally anyone you meet has had copious amounts of casual tinder sex? Like, that girl you're gonna go on a date with that you've been hyping up and feeling butterflies in your stomach for could may as well had gotten her back blown every day of the week before your "date".

>>34483505
Ive been hit with this dilemma where the girl is genuinely a bombshell and thinks me being a tard is cute but has a bc of "stopped counting past 10 because I was in college and at parties"

never thought I'd have a limit but Im no whore so I just think its gross and I don't know if its normal for hot college girls so I should just count my losses

>>34503020
If you're gonna ai at least get to the point

>>34502814
you could try using an alternative app to Tinder, like Badoo, Pof, Hinge, Bumble, etc., to reduce the chances of you dating a girl who you thinks been run through
I think the less popular the better

From my experience - they may have fled tinder because of how sex aggressive the men are

theres always a chance they have all of the above or have already had their tinder whore phase but what can you do lol

>>34502436
There’s a mantra in sales: NEXT.

where to go meet people... jfc I hate not being able to sleep because of existential afflictions. Do I seriously need to bother people in public? I get no bites online despite matching hot women

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>>34499219
>>34499251
Hate to admit it, but I'm way too much of a bitch for this. I want to break up with her, but I don't want to feel like I am being mean to her or deceiving her. I can't see myself doing anything that feels like "two-timing".

On a side note: I fucking love these apps and talking to girls who may be interested in me. It's like I'm getting some kind of high.

Once, I asked a girl I’d known for two years to be my girlfriend, and she flat-out rejected me. It doesn't matter how long you've known her or how you treat her: if there's no chemistry between you or if she senses that you're not compatible, she’ll say no. And my best advice to all of you is to cut them off and don’t look back. Don’t get stuck in the “friend zone.”

>>34503512
>"cut them off"
>after getting rejected
The grapes were sour anyway or however the incels shoots up the grocery store

Wear nice clothes, go to bar, get ladies drinks then go about your night. Do this at a nice spot weekly and thank me later.

>>34503851
what should I expect?
what night of the week?
I don't drink alcohol or sugar

>>34503748
Foid friendship is useless. Also, get raped.

>>34503748
So cutting off a foid is being an incel? Also, I just realized technically all men are volcels since they could decide to use foce to rape at any second

>>34503851
I am nor giving free drinks to women.

>>34503748
Yes, women who reject you still need to be cut off. They are perfectly willing to keep you around as an orbiter.
It's kind of funny how being a white knight requires absolute naivety.

>>34483128
That's uncanny as fuck to me, there's a middle ground.
>>34491488
Heil.

I have had this experience where a girl will reject me and then a year later or so she will return and be interested in me. What's up with that?

>>34504097
The werewolf millionaire didn't show up.

>>34503911
Don't give a shit about the incel thing. It's like worrying about being black when a cop pulls you over.

>>34485279
Ian Johma?

Take this message from an Unc, if you want to get women easier then do things that make you sexier to them.
Get a sleeve tattoo, have sportier and newer car, have some trendy and fashionable clothes, get a nice haircut and be well groomed.
Women check out men as much as men check out women.

I talked a bit with a girl at the gym and holy fuck, she asks me questions instead of sitting there and staring at me while I attempt to be her jester. What the hell is this sorcery? I would already be head over heels for her but I just got over a crush and I'm gonna keep it chill for now. You think I should compliment her on something and see how she reacts?

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I'm a chad and this girl fell in love with me, I don't know bros, is she really ugly?

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>>34506289
If that thing woke up in bed next to me i'd be torn between shooting her or myself
Brown asians will fuck literally any white man that moves so i don't know how you go around calling yourself chad. I'm a doughy mid tier normie at best and a snow pale, pretty mongolian chick was getting touchy with me recently. It's like being proud of how fast your car can go when its falling off a cliff.

>>34483119
God what a useless existence. Do your girl a favor and kill yourself asap

How do you get women when there are no women? Only 10% of my city is gen z and 60% black at that. It's so over

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>>34506349
I guess

>>34485091
she's just doing her job as a cashier by smiling and shit ...

>>34506526
maybe, but the other two (which I forgot to mention are also women), they check out with a serious face.

>>34503902
>>34503920
Goal is to build interest through simple tasks. She will come around at the very least you gain an ally in your quest to clap cheeks.

>>34506289
>Goy eyes
That's rough brother.

>>34506289
she's healthy, i'd date her. Amazing teeth, no acne, better than average hair, looks like a good communicator

you gotta feel attraction tho. Can you image yourself going all in on loving her?

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>>34506611
>Amazing teeth

>>34506615
yeah, those are clean, straight, big, and white

retard

>>34506289
At best, I'd give her a 6 out of 10. She's pretty average. If you're above average, I'd recommend looking for a girl who looks like you or is even prettier.

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>>34506622
>yeah, those are clean, straight, big, and white

>retard

>>34506615
>>34506654
NTA, she looks a little funny but her teeth are absolutely fine. It is a very womanly trait to be picky over such small bullshit. You might wanna head over to /lgbt/ bud.

>>34489847
Not him, but reaffirm your own attractiveness. Take a look at the way you dress, groom your hair/facial hair, and your hygiene. If you meet your own standards for not looking like you just rolled out of a dumpster, then you're fine.

>>34485091 Here, so I went again just now, bought a beer and just as I was about to leave, went back and bought a small cola can. Tried to do some small talk and the convo went somewhat like this
>long night huh?p
>no
>so a quiet one
>yeah
>...
>nice jacket
>what?
>nice jacket, it suits you
>ok *carelessly looks at phone*
Did I blew it?

>>34507043
Yes. Why not move from small talk to an actual conversation starter? Literally just pick a topic someone can have an opinion on and watch how she answers to see if you can start asking open-ended questions.

I feel like I'm self sabotaging this relationship. We've been on a few dates and I can tell she's really into me and I really enjoy spending time with her. She was introduced to me by my friends wife and her personality and demeanor is very attractive to me but she isn't someone I wouldn't normally date. I'm attracted to her but I still see other women on the street who I'd be normally attracted to and think "man she's great but I wish she looked like that then she'd be perfect and I'd be more into her!"
I'm probably objectively a 5-6 so it's not like I am entitled having super high standards. Anyone experience this? I want to keep seeing her and I feel like getting more physically intimate will increase my attraction. Thoughts?

>>34507223
you must see two things in her

>sexual attraction (easy erection from her and general sense of lust)
>ability to have good conversation (professional, chill, and silly)

of course she has to like you too.

The perfect chemistry.

>>34507207
Noted, I was nervous so that's on me. As long as I still have a chance I'm glad.

>>34507252
I mean, I get boners around her. Heck, I get boners texting her.
Also I think part of me is kinda hesitant/fucked with because the last girl I dated kept me so unsure about everything. I never got a real strong secure sense that she was interested in me even though we dated for about 4 months before she dumped me. After each date I thought it was over and that put me in a bad head space and made me feel really insecurex and looking back I'm embarrassed about how I acted in that relationship. Plus the fact that it was soo slow, 4 months, no kissing, barely held hands. This girl is the opposite of her so I'm kind of getting used to that.

>>34485091
Hard to say just from this, i would see if she treats every other client like this, bc if she does shes just being nice probally

>>34507043
Stop bothering her. Drink your quadruple ipa and go home

>>34485279
Saying that all women are insane is insane by itself. Theres bad and good people independently from the gender. hope you abandon that vision on women and find true love

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>>34482676
Would it be too much to desire a platonic companionship with a girl, or is that easier to pull off? I'm so socially starved that even that would be a big win.

>>34507369
kek that photo

me too bro. I've started frequenting pol... those guys are kinda funny. Like ck bros

>>34507369
This is actually very cute. Hope you find it

>>34507043
I wouldn't recommend that you keep trying with this girl, since it's almost impossible for her to commit if she's already pulling away. If the conversation isn't flowing as you expected, it just means she's not interested in you.
My only suggestion would be to work on your general conversation skills and avoid awkward silences. If the conversation doesn’t get off to a strong start right from the beginning or there aren’t any interesting questions to ask, it’s not going to go well.

>>34482676
why get a woman when you can just be unhappy yet perfectly fine. i just hit 31 and all my skirmishes with women have been regrettable, either they are obsessed with me or i am somehow screwing it up, and in the time i've been away from that chosen chaos i've managed to buy my own home, engage my favorite hobbies sometimes, lead a team in a job i enjoy, make crazy cash, keep close with friends and family, and skirt the lines with flirting and enticing. everything is going great and i just ignore the single-issue unhappiness. i go to bed sad every night but that is perfectly fine.

>>34507421
You're right, I guess sometimes things aren't meant to be. But hey, at least I can say I tried, plus I have a goal now. Thanks Anon.

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What is the difference between just approaching women and 'chasing' women (bad)?
How much time do you actually spend pursuing women?

>>34500138
update
>younger one came to the event/place with a friend who was also very cute
>we recognize each other. i go over to hug her, shake her friends hand
>show them a table we could sit at, she said they want to sit in the other room together. I say ok
>before she leaves, she comes to to me to say she's leaving, I get up to walk her back.
Was she just leaving to say bye? anyway..
>walk them back to the parking lot I was also in.
>on the way try to get them to come with me to another place real quick
>they start holding each other and say they gotta get back
>continue to walk to the garage, finally stop at our crossroads an talk
>good vibes, giggles, good convo, younger girl asks more questions about me, I compliment her friend but also make good eye contact with the girl
>ask for her number
>she reacts kinda incredulously, not super eager, I start to get my phone out and she says she can take my number
>give it to her

So, mixed signals, but her actually coming 30 minutes away from her home to see me, friend with her or not, that's a good sign right?

It's been a few hours, no text yet.

>>34507420
Thanks.

She is
>super liberal, protect trans kids and hates consrrvatives type
>friends with exes
>gets drunk and hooks up with "friends" she later regretted, broke my heart because I thought we were building to something with dates and trips
>wants to have a 3some someday
>used to be fwbs with a married poly guy
>agnostic/muslim?
>doesnt know if she wants kids
>but personality wise we are both nerds and like being outside to similar degrees and had fun together because we didnt explore the deeper shit
But I still want to date her, I know I'm an idiot, probably attached from the betrayal and because we had sex from the first date. Do I stay away or try again to see if itll work? Am I trying to turn a whore into a housewife? Shes the exact kind of tomboy I like

How do I shorten the length of time that I feel like shit after a bad date or rejection? I understand it’s a part of life but it usually takes me a few days for me to obsessively stop thinking about it and trying to figure out what went wrong

>>34507492
AS IF. I went just now, to shoot my last shot, one last bet. If it worked? Good. If it didn't? I won't show my face there ever again. I tried a different approach this time; my mistake was going with the mentality of "will I look like a creep?" But now I went with "fuck that. Let's do it properly!" So I did. The convo went like this.
>Hello
>Hello
>Oh nice hair, it looks good on you
>Thanks (smiles)
>I mean it looks good with the outfit
>Thanks (smiles)
>Hey I had to do quite the walk from [uni name] (I had a course earlier)
>But hey at least I got this from it *takes out cola candy* want some?
>No thanks
>Aww c'mon, even for being pretty?
>No (She was smiling and giggling there)
>Hey I like you, what's your name?
>*she game me her name, was quite an odd one. It started with "J"*
>Colombian?
>No
>So
>Venezuelan
>A pretty name.
>(she smiles)
>Man it gets cold out there, one time it gets too sunny and the other it gets way too windy
>yeah
>well, nice to meet you (name) can I get your number so we can go out sometime?
>sorry I can't
>aww c'mon why not? Not even for an ice cream?
>No I have troubles with my partner (she was smiling but with a sad expression)
>aww that's a shame, lucky guy.
>she smiles
>Well, see ya
>Bye~
Man it went so smooth that I felt like a different person.

>>34509110

I cant imagine living in whatever liberal city you live in where any of that shit is normal or even speakable. I wish every single leftoid on earth could be put into gas chambers

>>34510410
Good job, proud of you anon

>>34510471
San diego. Its just gay flags everywhere there isnt much of a choice in the dating pool. I think all the sane conservative women are all either taken or delusionally looking for blue collar cowboys like those exist here. I would like interest from a woman that has minimal risk of spontaneously divorcing me or aborting my child but Ive literally never gotten interest from anyone who wasnt liberal strangely, and I make 110k and have my own place. Feels like km being forced to gamble that i can successfully redpill someone or die alone

>>34510410
damn I thought my conversations sucked. thanks anon.
>Oh nice hair, it looks good on you
"nice hair" would suffice
>Thanks (smiles)
>I mean it looks good with the outfit
just shut up for a sec, another compliment? you could follow up with something like "did you just get out of bed or something?" which could make her laugh or make her fuck off, which she did in the end anyway.
>Thanks (smiles)
>Hey I had to do quite the walk from [uni name] (I had a course earlier)
>But hey at least I got this from it *takes out cola candy* want some?
bro just shut the fuck up, you just met her and you're offering candy, it could be poisoned for all she knows. I wouldn't give anything AT ALL to a girl if I haven't even kissed her yet.
>No thanks
>Aww c'mon, even for being pretty?
No. What the fuck dude? Another fucking compliment? Did you kneel down and pant and slobber over her shoes?
>No (She was smiling and giggling there)
im sure this is a nervous reaction at this point, if not just acting coy for the sport of it.
>Hey I like you, what's your name?
Oh you like her? WHAT?? WHO KNEW??
>*she game me her name, was quite an odd one. It started with "J"*
>Colombian?
>No
>So
>Venezuelan
>A pretty name.
Is her shit pretty too?
>(she smiles)
>Man it gets cold out there, one time it gets too sunny and the other it gets way too windy
>yeah
Notice how she's just giving you one word responses and you have nothing to talk about but the weather
>well, nice to meet you (name) can I get your number so we can go out sometime?
>sorry I can't
the fuck did you think?
>aww c'mon why not? Not even for an ice cream?
Shut the fuck up dude
>No I have troubles with my partner (she was smiling but with a sad expression)
>aww that's a shame, lucky guy.
Wow, just had to say that didn't you? Did you expect her to take pity on you?
>she smiles
>Well, see ya
>Bye~
Love the gay anime tilde mark, I can picture how you look. It's horrible to think you're not 12.

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You all. Fuck the self-improvement bullshit... Not entirely though. I found something out. If thd girl you like only likes you if you self-improved nonstop as opposed to chasing you as much as you chase her, she ain't the right one. Here is the thing, you have to be the bad boy in her life if she likes you, not patronizingly be her student. That means she has to play with you as much as you play with her.

>>34510410
You didn't nail it at all. Her one-word answers and dry attitude just show that she felt uncomfortable and had no interest in interacting with you. It doesn’t matter if you try a different approach; she’s already formed an opinion of you and will continue to show little interest. So let her go, don’t look back, and keep looking for other girls while you work on improving your confidence and communication skills. Just be patient.

>>34497385
Hindsight here is 20/20, but if I'd known she was likely going to leave, I would've said something like "yeah, I need to see what my friends are up to" and asked for a number.
If I didn't have that certain knowledge, I would've figured out some reason to loiter by the bathroom door (having a drink, start a quick conversation with some other person, etc.) so you can watch it and resume the conversation when necessary.
I don't think a compliment would've made a spot of difference if you were already at the making-out stage, but waiting around for them to come back around is portraying a certain amount of neediness. You should either try to close for a number if it really seems over, or find a reason to be around the bathroom if you actually want to continue.

>>34510410
This isn't a bad conversation. If she actually has a boyfriend, you did a good job. However, there's one thing you didn't do here, which is called "qualification."
You need some reason for her to think that you like her besides just physical appearance and shit. It should ideally be something that she wasn't born with (so nationality doesn't work here either).
This usually takes the form of making an assumption about her ("You look like you're the type who ______") or a negative assumption ("Don't tell me you're the type of person who _______"). Her answer doesn't even have to matter to you, you can work with either a yes or no – the important thing is to give her the idea that she's set herself apart from the crowd.

Like, for a concrete example, after she said Venezuelan, you could've said "You seem like you're the kind who's really particular about where the beans in your coffee come from." or some random shit like that. She says yes, you can follow up with a tease, or acting interested. Even if she says no, you can say "Good, I can't stand people like that." and then continue building attraction and comfort.

>>34511015
I strongly recommend that you don’t date her, and under no circumstances should you try to steer things toward women with a more liberal attitude. I’ve been to San Diego a few times (I’m from TJ), and it’s a laid-back city with really great women. I honestly think you should wait, figure out exactly what you're looking for in a relationship, and move forward once you know where the right places are to do so. The city where I live is also pretty liberal; it’s full of trannies, prostitutes, and niggers, but we can always find a healthy, solid relationship without having to sell our souls to women who’ll betray you the moment they get the chance. Just hang in there and wait for the right person.

I need to express myself to you guys, I've visited this general occasionally and I succeded in getting a girl, but then I left her
This was almost a year ago and now I got the itch a couple days ago to message her, I found out she blocked me.
Should've left it alone there, but I went and messaged her through different apps until I got an answer, she said "Stop", I apologized and said I'll never contact her again.
Now her current boyfriend messaged me too to tell me to stop, he didn't threaten or anything but still. I feel enraged and also completely saddened with myself. While I was out there weeping for her she was already with someone else.
This is a rock bottom for me and I feel deeply ashamed.
To make it on topic I'll say that if any of you are having that itch of getting back to her, don't. Also, please do yourself a favor and get rid of anything that might recall your relationship

>>34511742
No woman will ever love you anon, 90% of women out there do not love their man, they don't know how to love anyway; they only tolerate him as long as he provides.
Learn to be stoic and get by without their fake and subpar love therefore about 90% of women should be invisible to you. Rise up above your biological programming.
Take care of your health anons and find distractions to help pass the time, that's all most people do anyway, the difference is they do it with somebody so time spent together flows differently. It's merely an illusion though

>>34511392
Thanks anon. I'll do my best.
>>34511742
Hang in there bro, we all make mistakes. I tried to fix it with someone who basically cheated on me, when you're sad it becomes hard to see what is right, but take this as a learning experience and improve. Don't try and fix it with women you left or left you because there is likely a good reason and if it was going to work you would've fixed it before leaving.

I texted a girl saying I want to cuddle with her, and she responded by saying aww with an emoji that has a smiley face with hearts.

Then I said "And hold your boobs if you let me :)"
No response. Should I have phrased in a more masculine way like "And hold your boobs."?
I know sometimes it turns a girl on for a guy to be direct like that but I didn't want to be disrespectful. Should I have phrased it the second way? Or some other way?

>>34512560
LOL
if anything it would be the "if you let me" part, but definitely hold your boobs is pretty cringy and icky.

>>34512583
So you're saying I should not have said "if you let me"?

>had a dream where I was embracing a cute petite girl in the shower
>wake up to existential dread
Normally im good about managing my loneliness but dreams like this fuck me up. Fuck man Ive been trying but I need to completely rework my personality so im sociable and not such a miserable cunt.

I'm realizing I have somewhat of a fear of women or something that has been festering since my teen years , im in my late twenties and still khv.

A woman could look at me or try to connect - but my instinct is to look away even if I'm into her or to keep chat to a minimum - almost like I'm trying to pre reject her. Now part of the problem is - I'm short, glasses, skinny nerd - I do have a good face card which is what even gets me any attention at all , but I never pursue it because I assume she'll reject me on a million other things. It feels like most of whoever s into me is just attention-whoring at the very most. It feels like if I were to actually walk up - it would be just to get laughed at.

Am I right to ignore women given how "non viable" I am?

I was mad at some shit yesterday, ignored the girl who is into me and stormed off, she was really hurt and mad at me and she doesn't wanna talk to me.
I sat through months of patience, where she talks about wanting to die, saying she is gonna move out to another city, ignoring me, not wanting to be near me, not wanting to even look me in the eye, where I was there for her when her dad died, and this is what I get.
I deserve this shit, I'm not dating ever again, we haven't even kissed.

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what are the best apps to meet women, outside of dating apps?

>>34512692
should have gone in for the kiss earlier

>girl wants to date and is looking for a marriage with kids
>"best first date Ive ever been on!" "Ill let you know when I have time again!"
so thats going nowhere

>girl seems really into me and says i should visit her at her place
>set a date
>ghosted out of nowhere when the day comes

>date cancelled with a single mom because she needs to do something for her son and then ghosts me

>date for next week, ask her if 5PM is okay, ghosted yet again

no idea why this all has to happen at the same time. all my prospects crashing down. you'd think by playing the numbers you'd win sometimes but you don't if you're me

>>34507965
you sound like a creep dude. and that's from your pov, from theirs it can only be worse.
>>34512560
>>34512604
it's the boobs part retard.

>>34512717
I didn't cuz at that point I had given up all hope that she was into me, then the next day after our date she said she was, by saying all the sexual things she wanted to do with me, then she said she wanted to take it slow and not do all the sexual things just yet, said I was a gentleman.
I asked her out, we planned some things, I got sick, life got in the way, she got cold and distant, only texted me to vent, wherever I'd suggest doing something together she'd just ignore.

>>34512725
>retard
u got mad lol

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>>34512583
> if anything it would be the "if you let me" part

>>34512725
> it's the boobs part retard.

Get told it's the "if you let me part", I ask to make sure, and get told it's the boobs part and that I'm a retard.

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>>34512725
let's hear another one roastie

>>34512757
assuming this is a girl you barely know, haven't slept with or even met up irl and she messages you
>hey handsome
hey girl what's up
>can you send me 100$ to pay for my nails?
...
that's roughly the equivalent of what you just did. you can't just fire sexual comments like that to some random. only works if it's your actual girlfriend/fwb or you've been flirting/sexting the entire evening already to set the mood. in that case yeah the if you let me part is suboptimal but not main the problem here. the only way you could imply something like that is if you send some cute gif of a cat motorboating another cat something like that after the cuddle comment that isn't explicitly sexual.

>>34512772
We had flirted at other times, but not the same day I sent that. It might have came out of the blue but I had been trying not to say something like that for about a week, and I figured that had been enough time we were talking. If she doesn't get back to me, it might mean she didn't want to be sexual with me at all. In which case I might as well have sent the text to get it out of the way. She had been calling me dear a lot, and even called me love... but that was when she was trying to get me to invest in her company that I looked up, and the search was full of results saying the company is a scam.

>>34512780
do not redeem sir

>>34512785
thank you sir

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>>34507443
falling asleep is getting harder every year, yes. On days I drink coffee the terror is 5x worse and mentally I feel like pic rel. Old flames haunt me

t. 29

>>34507443
>>34513119
Because I love having sex and women help make me feel better, when theyre not being retards. Theyre soft, smile a lot, and are fun to hold and tease. Yea, they can be a pain, but maybe one of them will be worth it. Well, at least until I got cheated on. Kinda wish i was gay ngl. How are you guys able to get past the sadness and not be paranoid about dying alone? I cant let it go

t. 30

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>>34513623
There are many things in my life more sad than being single. Father being fat and dying when I was 8. Mom being a hoarder since then. Sisters being totally fucked up (one is BPD the other has a turkey neck like my fat father had). It's a nightmare getting updates from any of them cus I'll hear news like "mom showers at the University cus her house plumbing doesn't work and my old sister is a bitch who doesn't want my mom showering at her place instead. Plumbing can't be fixed cus the house is too messy." It hurts.

I'm not paranoid of dying alone because I know one day I'll have the most beautiful and loving Chinese wife. She'll make me stronger and help me when needed without me asking, and I'll do the same for her, and we'll have amazing sex and maybe even amazing kids. I know this.

If Chinese women didn't exist, or I only wanted a white women, then I'd be one or two magnitudes further into despair because I've only dated horrible white women. Some had decent jobs, but we're not people I could respect, just idiots (astrology fags, ear piercing superstitions and no backbones in confrontations)

I will go to China for a month this year. Not sure when... I'll also go to Vancouver and Toronto.

>>34513838
She'll help me in ways I need, yet don't ask for. Not just because I don't ask, but because I don't even know the ways I need to heal.

She'll help me heal stuff I am not even aware of currently. It's going to be so beautiful and I'll have to will my best to do the same for her

Dude, I'm still salty at the fact that she didn't even want to have a relationship with me, because she still thinks about another guy.
She didn't even say that she liked me or slight feelings.

>>34513902
as a dude that's been "her first" / "the guy before you" many times, just take it easy. You can fulfill her hearts intense desire - her heart wants him so fuck bad it hurts. That's the bond the existed before you

>>34513919
But at what point is it just not worth it? if her heart is still with him why would i even try to be second place. how do you know when to just walk away

>>34513939
you know now

one flake for her past man and she should be respectfully gone

you should be able to discern a womans broken, unhealed heart

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I'm not even afraid to approach women anymore, I'm afraid that I'm a total retard who has no idea how to actually be in a relationship

>>34514096
when in doubt just stay silent

>>34513965
>>34513919
Wait, are you fucking stupid? Are you telling him to stay with the girl who cares not about him? She wants to get around by the other man. Why would he stick with her?

>>34514630
>>34513919
can't fulfill
lol
to answer your question though, yes I am

>>34512377
>when you're sad it becomes hard to see what is right
Very true, I've felt completely lost ever since I left her, I have to regain myself though
Thanks for the advice

do any of you have any luck meeting women on non-dating apps? if so, which?

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>>34515533
Also I work at a university where its 96% women or so
Speed dating events

>35 years old living in Britain
>ugly charismaless meek beta male
>boring but overpaid work from home office job
>never had a gf or any female attention ever
>no friends or social experiences since school
>went to university and was a total loser that talked to no one, which was a soul crushing experience
>become the ugly loser nobody talks to within one day of all the part time and full time jobs I've ever had, end up eating lunch alone
>people repulsed by my presence
>read about incel blackpill over 10 years ago and it explained everything
>lived for some years in London, nothing changed

What hope is there for ever getting a girlfriend or anything social at all? Online dating is impossible to succeed at if you're not a Chad. Going to hobby groups or whatever just to transparently try to get a gf is cringe as fuck.

In no context since the age of 18 has anyone expressed the slightest desire to associate with me in any way.

It's totally crushing to remember my university experience. I was a totally friendless loser for the entire time while surrounded by normies having the time of their lives.

Kinda ashamed I thought about sending my cheating ex the false positive/abnormal hsv2 test results I got a few years ago to freak her out. Was confirmed negative upon retest. That wouldnt be a good idea huh

>>34515682
I feel for you fren.

Do not try to get advice from posts like this, there seems to be a non written rule among normie men that everyone has to pretend like women are super desperate and easy to get, and never acknowledge how bad it is for men without very good looks, and no one with that kind of mentality is going to help you.

Your situation is very harsh. I deeply respect you for not giving up. My advice is to take what is available to you, if you even want it, and accept that it may have to be subpar. Like, single moms, black foids etc.

I don't have any way to know what would work for you, because I don't know you. But I can tell you that whatever you do, you need to be in a situation that gives you the biggest possible advantage. And by that I mean, look for something that's the equivalent of what tinder would be for a woman, since the context where women have the most leverage to pick is Tinder. Obviously, there's no such thing, women are always picky, but you could try to find somewhere that being a plausible husband who makes money would be good enough to be considered. Like a trad religious group or cult.

I think hobby groups would also be better than online dating, for sure, but, still too normie. You're obviously in a bad position, and I don't think you'd have enough of an edge in those.

If your social skills are a problem, you could work on that by practicing, for a while. And use hobby groups for that but still get a gf elsewhere over your late 30s, how do you feel about that?

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>at mall
>see very attractive women with 5 others
>she's sorta walking with one of the guys
>goddess in my eyes
>go buy shoes
>see her standing in hallway with group
>no clue what to say
>leave the mall
>wait a fucking second, this is my life
>go around the mall
>group is still there chatting
>wtf do I say
>chest starts pounding
>buy $4 water
>casually go stand beside her and drink it for a couple minutes
>interrupt her conversation with a roastie
>"hey, excuse me sorry to interrupt. I've seen you around the mall and I wanted to ask how your day is going (:"
>her response is kind and chill, but hesitant
>see guy behind with his arms like "huhh?!" which was funny cus he was a dork
>"did you get anything here?"
>"noo, actually I'm engaged"
>"oh wow, lucky guy..."
>she says "hey!" to her fiance to get his attention and make him step up
>ok have a nice dork

notes: smile better, don't stare at her teeth, maybe challenge the engagement a bit more for fun like "ohh you like chubby men with glasses, ok, no worries". Lastly NO STARING AT WOMENS TEETH, KEEP EYE CONTACT

it felt so fucking good to get rid of the chains, bros

(pic semi rel)

>>34516158

Glad to see a post that isn't someone complaining about dating apps or that they saw a woman and were in agony that they didn't say anything.

>>34516217
cheers dude

It's the result of reading a single tweet before leaving my house this morning, it changed my mindset

"You must sit with the tension until fear becomes exhilaration, and what threatens to crush you begins to fortify you, sharpen you and refine you. It is a blessing disguised as terror, because the alternative is to die downwards towards hell rather than upwards towards heaven. So if you must die, then die well - die well so that you may live well!"

>>34515682
>Going to hobby groups or whatever just to transparently try to get a gf is cringe as fuck.
Well, you're going because - you enjoy the hobby, and maybe to form a rapport with some women who may or may not even be there who would like to be taken out for dinner one day

that doesnt sound cringe to me, that sounds like having fun

note: no women at the University library after 3pm on Saturday

If they want access to your heart, they cannot be ambiguous. Which is why if they insist on ambiguity, you must close off your heart.

It is very foolish and irresponsible to share your emotional core with someone who is opaque and withholding.

You endanger yourself like that.

Anons what should I make of this interaction?
> be me, alone in bar
>these two girls come sit beside me
>they basically talk with each other
>eventually, in my peripheral vision, i notice these two girls turn their heads and face me
>i notice this and make eye contact for like a split milisecond
>just decide to pay my tab and leave
should I have engaged with these girls? were they trying to say hi?

>>34517300
... don't let that happen again. Next time, no peripheral surveying. A simple "hey hows it going?" is good

>>34517349
Idk they were not really giving me good stares. sort of a confused, quizzical look, but like in a pitying way. idk how to describe it.

>>34517353
they were probably just dumbfounded by you. Not trying to make a move or anything just looking, probably a good thing you just left

>>34515682
>It's totally crushing to remember my university experience. I was a totally friendless loser for the entire time while surrounded by normies having the time of their lives.
that's totally on you. even nerds had clubs at university. if you didn't go to the cs department and scan the codes for the discord to see who was gonna organize d&d night or whatever, no one was stopping you

>>34507929
approaching is showing interest to a girl who has potential
and you are giving them a chance to get closer to you and get to know you mutually

wheras chasing a woman, is trying to make something happen with a girl who is clearly not interested beyond most doubts

for example, during an approach a girl may tell you she has a boyfriend, and we all know that may be true or it may be false so keeping the convo going despite that is not chasing

wheras, if a girl is slow to reply, never accepts your invites to a date, always has excuses and you give her attention and investment regardless you are chasing

>>34515533
malls in the day
at night you got a lot to choose from
bars, clubs, lounges, events

but i'd stay away from dating events
simply because the quality of women is awful

Real OGs want to better their lives. Fake OGs look for trouble trying to be cool.

>>34499140
What are your prompts? How’s your profile set up?

>>34499251
>Until you've had the WHAT ARE WE talk
Fellas is it ever ok for the man to initiate this? Or should you always wait for her to do it?

>>34517557
retard

Reminder to read carefully underneath people's emotions when they communicate to you. Women have very stressful and busy lives and you should not expect a perfect smile all the time.

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>>34519503
Zach... we need to find our girls

>>34519503
Fuck women and fuck you

>>34519737
t. can't handle anything difficult

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Is a woman being jealous a good sign? Because if not it's actually kinda frustrating
>be in kind of a situationship with a girl
>she has a shitty bf she's swearing she's gonna leave as soon as she can (this I don't doubt, he has power over her that she's getting out of soon) but has made zero promises towards me
>she's expressed a lot of guilt about things that have happened between us while she was in that relationship (heavy flirting, telling me she'd be with me if she met me first, etc) so I don't think she'd make any promises or admit feelings at this point
>We're generally chill, she talks to me daily and hangs out with me more than her bf
>But she is so, so, so goddamn fucking jealous whenever I mention girls I work with or girls I'm just friends with
>One friend the mere mention of puts her in a bad mood. It's obvious because she'll start bringing up her bf or will be extra flirty with other guys whenever she's mentioned and she's gotten upset/canceled plans immediately after her mention on a couple occasions. She's implied to both her and I that this friend had a thing going on before our current situation.
>randomly brings up another friend in a jealous way like "oh why don't you tell that to [name]..."
It's honestly actually annoying if it isn't a sign. I really like this girl outside of the couple personality flaws I've demonstrated here. Is being jealous of other girls a sign a girl is into you?

Above all else if you stay true to yourself passionate and dedicated to making the most out of yourself and your life, women will always fall in love with you.

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Is this pic the reason I’m getting 0 matches? Kid is my nephew

What do you actually do with a woman after you've invited her to your place for whatever as an excuse? I'm planning to invite a girl from class to discuss a college project we have, and I'm trying to figure out how to turn this into something more. I assume we'll finish doing all the actual business related to the project and then I'll get her a cup of tea or something and we'll just chat as we would normally? What if she only comes for the project and fucks off right after, should I try and convince her to stay or just take this as a sign? I haven't dated before and don't know shit about this, help me anons.

How do I even convince myself to be interested in girls my age as a 27 yo with no dating experience?

>>34521601
More likely to be the conspiracy theory shit, but who knows, I have gotten 2 matches in 3 months. Quit trying to signal how based and redpilled you are, women dont care
>>34521643
Have sex once. Game changer.

Be laid back to never having the chance to get a woman. I know counter-intuitive, but by respecting a woman's autonomy and chance to be free from you, you actually make her love you more, which is actually the best thing to do. You do that along with having boundaries for yourself, and you should be fine. That is what should fix this storyline of being the guy who is too good to be true, being decent and human.

>>34522880
I can't tell if you actually think these posts are good advice or you're trying to hype yourself up.

>>34522893
I mean, most of them are good advice, it's just that it's milquetoast to the point no one takes it seriously anymore. Which is also bad because it is indeed good advice, even if basic as hell.

>>34522893
I'm trying to help you guys out from my experiences. I understand I come off as sketchy as I usually tend to everyone so you aren't alone if you think I'm sketchy. But I feel like if I help you all see the human in things, things will be easier for you. And me posting here isn't easy. It ain't ever easy. Me talking to anyone is never easy either. I usually tend to have the most common autistic problem as shown on this website which is the double empathy problem. Can I do anything about it? Probably not, but it is what it is.

>>34522444
Even with a fatty?

How to stop overthinking texting

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was this a womans version of approaching?

> Got Girl across the stretching area sees me doing some quad stretches
> moves over next to me
> starts doing these weird yoga stretches , including the arched back touching the toes thing

I just kept stretching and walked away. I stared at her once while I was cleaning up. Or is this just attention whoring?

8 years ago, I remember one of my friends telling me the greatest advice you all should learn. He told me, "you're just Zach." And that was what I went by. You all need to stop describing yourself by adjectives and just go by that you are yourself. If no one can accept that, that is their issue and you move on to the next person. You are just yourself.

>>34482676
Kind of a weird question, but is there anything I can do if I am specifically into women with really big breasts? Call me a gooner but I've just always loved big boobies. I don't mind a girl who's got some chub with it as long as she doesn't have a double chin. I'm also 6'5" if that helps anything.

>>34523824
go to all you can eat buffets and find the biggest hogs to slam

>>34523387
before replying just ask is that the simplest message i could send
if not, make it more simple

>>34521618
>>34521618
what, you invited her for a class project?
so you do your project
then you invite her to get drinks with you at the convenience or super market
then you come back to your place and the vibe will change while you drink together

if under 21, same thing just dno't get drinks, go get some food at the supermarket and invite her to your room to play card games or watch movie or some shit

The key is, after you finish whatever you were supposed to actually do, you casually bring up going to get some food or drinks and take her a long, if she's down for shit to happen shell be up for it if not shell just go home there

it is actually so fucking over, i am a young physician in training and it is absolutely impossible to get a girlfriend or even meet women it is just so fucked.

Let me remind you all something, while true we wish for the company and companionship of others, sex and relationships are not a cure to your depression. Even if you get it you'll still be unhappy and depressed. I've been around a lot of people who have had sex and been in relationships and a good amount of them still were not happy. It is not a cure to your happiness.

>>34524367
idk I think like 90% of my problems lead back to a lack of companionship honestly

>>34524385
Be happy being alone first before being happy with others. You'll thank me on a girl you go on a third date with who ghosts you and makes you overly question yourself for months on end.

>>34524393
Literally the biggest thing that makes me not feel content in life is not having a partner tho. Like almost everything else is fine.

>>34524408
Girls don't like guys who need them anon.

>>34524422
what am I supposed to do then because without a gf I honestly feel like I'm just consuming slop waiting to die

>>34524431
You have to be patient okay. Try to impress women by being distinctive if you can instead of trying to be sexy.

>>34524463
idk how to be distinctive all I do is vidya and community college

>>34524526
Try to vibe.

>>34512723
wow you're literally me
i think this is just the nature of the game

in fact, the more awkward and shy the other girl is the better the result
when they're too enthusiastic, ewhen things are too perfect is when it works the least for me

just embrace the fact that dating is a game of miracles
they will happen but you can't be expecting them or needing them to happen
and embrace the rawness of interactions
imperfections and realness rather than forced movie like experiences

I’ve only been seeing this girl for about a month but I want to hit the eject button. She lives kind of far away and I frankly find her annoying, but sexo.

Any tips?

>>34524935
keep her for the sexo

>>34524945
Definitely tonight. Might just taper off with contact after to at least get her out of girlfriend mode.

>>34523761
kek shut up bro you're such a faggot

>>34483505
I don't plan to do much, so I don't really think about it.

>>34483505
I don’t want to hear about my girl fucking other guys. And women respect this almost universally with men they’re dating. But I also come into every encounter with the knowledge that this woman may have fucked 100+ guys. She might have had sex last night. She might have side dick waiting for her in case the date doesn’t even work out.

You need to stop thinking about other dude’s dicks.

>>34525048
I mean, 'I want to have nothing to do with dis' is a based take, but the average woman has a close to 2 times smaller bodycount than the man iirc. The scenarios you are describing are super rare in the real world.

>>34525009
And how would you know what a faggot is?

What does it mean if a lot of women with boyfriends approach me when I go out
Am I giving off cheater or gay best friend energy?

You can't always make a woman happy. The best thing you can do is be laid back and go with the flow.

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I am lonely as shit from lack of intimacy over the years but I feel like it is unrealistic for me to date anybody because I have not spoken to or texted a woman my age in 7+ years. I used to attribute this to being introverted but now I realize ive been using that, along with "self improvement" as an excuse to be avoidant. I need to work on just doing small talk and being friends with women instead of having such an autistic high stakes perspective of them because they are no less human than me after all. Im gonna try and hang out in public more. Signed up for a group guitar class as well, even if its all dudes it will still be fun.
/blogpost

>>34525750
Yeah, that's basically the best you can do mate. If you're consistent, it's gonna do wonders to your overall social skills, especially with women. I wish you the best of luck!

What am I to do if the women I am attracted to are never attracted to me? I refuse to entertain whales.

>Be me
>25 years old
>Live in NYC area (Northern NJ)
>South Asian (Indian) = so I already know (from apps and life) I’m mostly fucked
>Athletic build (did swimming in the past); looks around 4-5 (depending on your preference)
>Have a job, make decent money, have savings/investments
>Work mostly remotely


Does anyone on this thread have something actually actionable I can do to get a girlfriend? Or even friends? A lot of my high school and college friends live in different states.

>>34482676
Anyone have advice for someone who, basically every woman I develop a crush on ends up being lesbian? It's not even just a her saying she's gay to get away from an advance kind of thing. They're like totally super gay. The last woman I was into basically said the only man she'd date is a twink.

>>34525774
It has something to do with the pleasure of dating a cheating beer with the fellas dad-bod ex-college football player who became a construction worker to take care of his wife. That ironically is the most attractive man now.

>>34482795
pedos get the rope.

>>34525909
Women love 3 things
- A man who's a good genetic specimen
- A man that will take care of them
- A man they can't have

Married blue collar dudes are all that with a bow on top. The wisdom of having fucked around and found out is weirdly attractive these days.

Writing a letter and mailing it to ask out this girl that lives in my building
This better work

>>34525791
>Does anyone on this thread have something actually actionable I can do to get a girlfriend?
Practice cold approaching

>>34523543
Yes absolutely, women signal interest by putting themselves in your path/view.