you people don't actually want girlfriends. you want a personified coping mechannism to materialise in your room in the shape of a girl and magically fall in love with you and fix all your problems or something idk. The fact that it's totally devoid from conceivable reality is itself the appeal because you can keep blaming all your problems on this made up unattainable scapegoat instead of addressing the underlying issues and the fact that most of you wouldn't be able to engage in an intimate relationship or even truly want one in actual reality. It's kind of like girls who have romcom syndrome but more severe.

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I started /htgwg/ a few years back and kept it running until like #150. Haven’t been back much since I got married and had children. Also come here to cope when my wife and I aren’t having sex.

AMA

also it’s hilarious watch anon post
>that’s what chad would
you inherently know what chad would do so why are you doing what you are doing?

>>34698509
FPWP. It is human nature to want intimate companionship. I am a man I know how to cope with my emotions and problems, if not I would have killed myself years ago. Go back to r/redscarepod or Crystal Cafe you smelly wench. You say this shit but you've probably NEVER been alone longer than a few months. You probably cope with loneliness by getting dicked down by dudes who dont give a fuck about you, I cope by playing guitar and working out, we are not the same.

>>34698509
>you people don't actually want girlfriends
this thread about getting a girl, not exclusion if you want her to be your gf or cumdump

>>34698513
This board was better before you

>>34697428
I might have sexed my ex 700 times and I never got bored. We never even switched it up either. Missionary, cowgirl, doggie, usually in that order.

Sexuality is about passion not circumstances.

How long would you wait for a girl to reply before you consider it ghosting? I texted someone a few hours ago on socials and she hasn't answered. I spoke to her multiple times irl and she seemed excited to talk to me.

>>34699334
>How long would you wait for a girl to reply before you consider it ghosting?
a day or two. instantly if she leaves you on read
>I texted someone a few hours ago on socials and she hasn't answered.
assuming that she didn't leave you on read, you're good. for whatever reason, they take hours to respond

>>34699351
But the weird thing is that she accepted my follow almost instantly. I put it out thinking it was gonna be the hard part and probably ignored too but she accepted it in minutes. Then I waited a few days to text her because I was kinda nervous. It might be she's just working (her job doesn't really allow her to use her phone, I think), maybe that time I caught her on her time off. Oh well, I'll try to take my focus off of that, it's out of my hands

>>34699334
>>34699403
A few hours is nothing. A day or two as >>34699351 said is when you can start getting worried. But I once slept with a girl after she didn't reply to me for a week.

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I’ve been trying to schedule a first date with this gigastacy. I’ve wanted to do drinks/coffee after work just so I could meet her, but now she’s all but inviting me over this weekend, for swimming “or something”. I’m not used to this.

Oh and she lives 75 minutes away from me.

>>34698513
Did these threads help you get married?
What would your wife say about men who rely on these threads to figure shit out vs just "getting it"?
>also sauce on pic related

>>34699736
Take the risk and find out. You have to know the truth somehow.

The simplest way to know if a woman loves you or not is this: can you play and have fun with her or do you have to 100% be responsible around her all the time?

>>34699736
Take her out of the app and go for the date, if she's a gigastacy 75 minutes drive is nothing for the chance to hit a 10/10.
Doubt she's a Stacy but more power to you if she is.
Gl.
>>34699403
If you're talking about Instagram/social media you need to text her immediately that same request/follow day action.
If she doesn't reply for over 24 hours that's ghosting. You can double text like 48 hours plus from that but usually you won't get anything back. Still would double text for hotties not worth it for mids under any circumstance.

For this week date schedule.
Thursday after work Ukrainian first date 27 yo. Small 1.61m but blonde and blue eyes (she's petite so no big curves shown from pics, hope she has an ass at least)
Friday vacant for now. And would rather keep it empty, but we'll see if anything pops up.
Saturday, 2nd date with the Muslim 31yo girl, also petite but huge titties, so that's nice. The date is going to be at my place to cook. Hope she doesn't flake out of it (waiting confirmation that she is in, she said that if we cooked together she just needed to leave early that evening, I'm more than okay with that, i get a better sleep that way). And unreasonable but I might squeeze another girl on Saturday after lunch just for a quick meet up. But unsure if i feel like pulling that move (31yo dentist literally 8' away from me, and she already said she cannot do Saturday evening so that works in my favor).
Sunday, cook and fuck with the 20yo girl as a 2nd date, i already spent the night on our first date, if we meet, that's gonna carry till Monday lmao.

Got some flakes on other leads too. So it's not always victory, but that's why it's a numbers game too, best ho was a 24yo Russian, but she's potentially entering into ghosting territory and no we haven't met, just got her number and tried to schedule a meet for this week. No response so far. Then some cold leads over Instagram too but less attractive so all good

>>34700007
>Take her out of the app and go for the date
Is this even necessary? The app works fine for setting up a first date. If it works out we can exchange numbers. If it doesn’t we don’t need each other’s numbers. It seems to me asking her to give a stranger her number could only hurt.
>if she's a gigastacy 75 minutes drive is nothing for the chance to hit a 10/10
True.
>Doubt she's a Stacy but more power to you if she is.
You doubt she’s a 10 or a Stacy? Because she’s definitely a 10. Part of why I’m curious is what she even wants with a lowly 7.5 like myself.

>>34698509
> you people don't actually want girlfriends
I just want to be treated as if I’m human. As in a person of equal value until proven otherwise.
Case and point, you know nothing about anyone here, yet say the following:
> you can keep blaming all your problems on this made up unattainable scapegoat instead of addressing the underlying issues and the fact that most of you wouldn't be able to engage in an intimate relationship or even truly want one in actual reality.
Seriously, if know each individual person here so well, then name these underline problems. And then explain why wanting a relationship is itself evidence of such problems.

>>34700059
If you're setting up an invitation for a first date and you have the logistics already narrowed down then you get her number/Instagram or Snapchat (i don't use that because I'm not a zoomer).
She already said on Saturday she's inviting you over. You simply accept that and get her contact immediately from that point.
>You doubt she’s a 10 or a Stacy? Because she’s definitely a 10. Part of why I’m curious is what she even wants with a lowly 7.5 like myself.
Yeah, and no disrespect but it's always hard for 10s to look into anything below an 8, so i guess you gotta be her type in some way which is very positive. And don't worry about the anons here, most of them are quick to judge and simply have zero bitches to even screw and are too far gone with all the BBC porn they consume, so they demand excellence from whores while they themselves are the bottom of the barrel of men.
Good luck with the Stacy, they are tricky

>>34700113
>If you're setting up an invitation for a first date and you have the logistics already narrowed down then you get her number/Instagram or Snapchat (i don't use that because I'm not a zoomer).
So I’ve heard, but why?
>She already said on Saturday she's inviting you over.
*If. She’s inviting me over “if it works out”.

I’m a /soc/ 7.5. Maybe that’s an 8 IRL. I also have a vibrant profile and an engineering degree. She has a 2 year community college degree that isn’t listed on her Hinge profile, so maybe this is her dating up in a way. She’s also blue collar (though now a general manager in her field) and commutes 3 hours every weekday. She also strikes me as a bit dumb. Obviously she can’t be that dumb to be a GM, but the way she talks is just… slow?

>>34700143
> So I’ve heard, but why?
Not the smartest tool in the shed either, kek.
Online dating they can delete you on a whim. Say something wrong, someone else gets her attention and now there's too many options and she feels overwhelmed. You're gone just like that.
Social media/number is not any guarantee whatsoever. It's just one extra step in compliance from her part that she's up for doing the meet up. Or you would risk going on a date and never leaving tinder/bumble/hinge and setting it from there? Try it. That's definitely a nightmare and more prone for them ghosting with zero accountability.

> *If. She’s inviting me over “if it works out”.
You take the Saturday and you show up nigga. Then hope you got some charm and you can sneak into her pants. Baby steps, first you meet.
Also, stacies don't need careers and unless she's old money they are usually dumb, but that's the majority of foid and men too.
Also, the way she talks or writes? Because if you already called then you're out of hinge already

>>34700173
>Online dating they can delete you on a whim
Numbers can be blocked just as easily.
>Say something wrong, someone else gets her attention and now there's too many options and she feels overwhelmed. You're gone just like that.
Her having my number doesn’t change this.
>It's just one extra step in compliance from her part that she's up for doing the meet up.
Doesn’t seem to change anything.
>Or you would risk going on a date and never leaving tinder/bumble/hinge and setting it from there? Try it. That's definitely a nightmare and more prone for them ghosting with zero accountability.
That’s how I normally do it. The only time I’ve been ghosted was the one time I listened to /htgwg/ and didn’t send an “are we still on for today?” text hours before the date and she obviously forget lel.

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Bro, I know it is fucking horrible how women treat you, but you can not let how you have these incel traits get to you. Life can still be good and the right woman someday will look past your inceldom to see how great of a person you are in the end. Okay? Yes, being single fucking sucks, but believe it'll get better even if it is a lie. The fact you keep going even if it is a lie puts this aura around you and people that makes you stand out as a person who is not afraid to be positive against the storm of men who are always negative.

>>34700173
>You take the Saturday and you show up nigga. Then hope you got some charm and you can sneak into her pants. Baby steps, first you meet.
I’ve never had it laid out so easily for me on date one. Not even close. I just need to be somewhat interesting at lunch, then it’s swimming it her house. She won’t even be wearing pants.
>Also, stacies don't need careers and unless she's old money they are usually dumb, but that's the majority of foid and men too.
Well she’s clearly chosen work over marriage so far.
>Also, the way she talks or writes? Because if you already called then you're out of hinge already
Writes. She’s been terrible at communication. I also crept on her linkedin and she writes like a community college student there as well.

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>>34700224
Can you change your mind about this not being your last piece of advice please

>>34700239
I will.

>>34700215
Yes bro, you're being obtuse. What sort of compliance you don't understand. Bitches freak out about giving her number/socials but they can easily block you there too I'm well aware lmao. It's just another layer you build with the ho in your beautiful Lego date game structure. Like if you're going out from doing night game (out in a bar/nightclub) you ask a bitch hey you wanna bounce to this location (change venue) it's always a compliance act if she agrees and in old school pua is very important on night game to change venues because psychological speaking it adds implicit time spent together to you meeting her and trust and a more relatable story (there's more events happening) in her head (oh we were at x and then at y and finally we ended up at z which was his place, because he was so charming and we did so many things that night).
Keep your methods. I'm saying is good to get a social/number but you do you and remember while you're in the app, there's a 100 dudes out there that also clowning her. And she might be more clowned by another dude than you and leave you behind.
And for the date you'll feel the mood, I'm not saying go and have sex on a first date. But have fun, build a connection and aim for a kiss. If you end up in a pool even better, because sex should be literally guaranteed if you play a semi-decent game.

>>34698724
Yet you are here.
>>34699861
No as I was about to get married I was mourning my old degen life and used this thread to help me cope.
>what would your wife say about men on these threads?
My wife would totally get it, she’s understands these modern times and knows it not easy and has her own roastie friends that can’t get serious partners. I have multiple incel friends that shes attempted to coach and give pep talks, set them up etc in the past.

She would say you just need to get out there though. No better teacher than being in the shit.
>sauce
/b/ from 2022

>>34698475
Where do I go to meet women? I don't like drinking other than wine and schnapps and I don't like places with live music.

>>34698509
I do want a gf in fact I have a specific one in mind.

>>34700457
Treat getting a hot girlfriend like something fun and positive. If you do that, things will be easier for you for when and if you do meet the right woman. Besides wouldn't you usually want to have a fun time?

>>34700370
>my old degen life and used this thread to help me cope.
how "degen" are we talking?
how hard was it to give up and do you miss it?

Gonna keep it short but
>Meet buddy at his work event thingy
>Intros me to his coworker, clearly trying to set me up
>All 3 of us chat a bit. I’m super lax since this girl is out of my league and I have 0 expectations
>Offhand mention I’m playing a brewery on Sunday (just some bad keyboard and worse vocals)
>She fucking shows up, stands out way too much
>Barely speak - had 2-3 drunk retiree women request songs all night
>Got her number at the end of the night as I was packing up, me being sober, she was a bit drunk

I’m fucked, she’s like an easy 8/10 and I’m a 6 on a good day. I haven’t texted her and I don’t know if she remembers giving it to me.

>>34700833
don't bother it's already over. you will always just be "the song request guy" and after dates she will suddenly discover she's too tired because laquarius (who is saved in contacts next to a picture of his 7.5" bbc) just messaged her "ayo hoe"

>>34700856
Nuke Mumbai.

>>34700242
liar
>>34700601

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I am a socially inept loser when it comes to understanding women's intentions so I need help assessing this situation and how to go about it
>Recently started a new job, about a month now
>Talked to some coworkers, everyone is pretty chill
>This one girl who I've talked to maybe 3 times asked me if I wanted to get dinner after work at a sandwhich shop
>Would have gone, didnt have the time. Asked for a monday raincheck
>Monday, she beelines it to me as soon as I get there and asks if I could go
>Genuinely couldn't, felt bad
>She asks if any day works, doesnt need to be a work day
>Slightdiscomfort.png
>She doesn't let me finish saying I'll be back at work on Saturday and tells me she'll talk to me later about it
>She doesn't talk to me later

I don't particularly feel one way or the other about the whole situation I just want to understand this. I'll go to a sandwhich shop sure but it feels a bit weird to be invited to dinner alone after speaking so little overall. But I have no experience with women so im basically a retard about this.

>>34700275
>It's just another layer you build with the ho in your beautiful Lego date game structure
You keep saying "it's just something you do" but you're not making much of a case for it. Yes I suppose you could get lost in her Hinge messages, but if you're that forgettable nothing is probably going to happen anyway. I still think there's a nonzero chance she doesn't want to give her phone number to someone she hasn't met IRL, so if I have the date I don't want to do anything that could derail it.
>And for the date you'll feel the mood, I'm not saying go and have sex on a first date. But have fun, build a connection and aim for a kiss. If you end up in a pool even better, because sex should be literally guaranteed if you play a semi-decent game.
Any advice on a pool date is welcome. I've never had one. I imagine we'll change, get some drinks, get in the water, talk and... splash around?

Also she does list herself as Christian and this is Alabama. Not that there aren't easy Christian girls in Alabama but it's very possible she will not do sex on the first date. On the other hand, she is "figuring out her dating goals."

>>34701119
I've been using the wingman ai for suggestions here and there. wanted to see if the anons had any better replies.

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>>34701126
What should I reply.

Wrong pic before.

>>34699334
4 days

>>34699736
If she a Stacy she probably wants to fuck

>>34701133
Forgot to add context.
we've been out on 2 dates already. She seems to love the sappy genuine shit

>>34699934
pretty much

I can say the craziest shit and when a girl likes me, they will laugh or find it amusing or something positive. Maybe indifferent sometimes

I've shared perverted fanfiction. Perverted interests. Talked about mercy killing fatties, hobos and sick people. How I don't care about my job. Many things I'd never tell family or friends (if I had any)

>>34701139
If she does and it happens it'll be the most "what went right?" moment of my life.

>>34701133
good lad, good lass

>>34701133
You probably know that better than us anon. We don't know her, you, or your relationship, but it sounds like she likes you and is comfortable with you. I'd keep using the AI.

I think I'm going to have sex soon. I haven't done so in many years. How can I refresh myself on it? I was thinking of reading the Models chapter on it again. Anything else?

My usual routine was
>makeout
>feel up, remove shirt/bra, suck tits
>finger
>remove her pants
>give oral
>missionary
>lie down on my back when tired, put her on top of me for cowgirl
>remove her from me, switch to doggy
>return to missionary to coom

>>34701335
This is perfect no notes, do some praising while your in the midst of it for brownie points (or degrading if shes into that)

>>34700771
Nothing crazy. some drinking no drugs but a lot of sex. It wasn’t hard at all to give it up. When I met my wife things kind of just flowed but there was always part of me that missed that freedom to just walk out the door and never know what would happen. Once you get in a serious relationship a part of you inevitably dies as you begin to bear more and more responsibility. I would absolutely take my life now over the one I left behind but I will always miss it. The grass is never greener.
>>34700833
Musicians always bag someone out of their league. It’s like felons drugs dealers and fat middle aged inept trust fund guys. Something about the carelessness and lifestyle of not planning anything for the future mixed with “I can fix him” mentality.

Just send it dude who cares it’s whatever. I say this because that’s how you have to act if you can’t actually be like that.

>>34701347
Thanks, good to know.

>So lonely I'm talking to spambots in my dms
It is over for me I fear

>>34700964
Looks like she wanted to get to know you better but you rebuffed her twice so it's not likely she'll try again.

>>34701353
>but a lot of sex
By going out? I'm kind of tired of dating apps and want to meet some women IRL, but it's like there are no single women in bars and clubs

>>34700968
Bro it ain't rocket science, i told you not to be obtuse. Compliance is simply her accepting stuff coming from you (which shows she accepts whatever you throw her way). I take it you're a zoomer, so you're scared of asking for numbers. For me it's the default mode, to take them out of the apps and get somewhat something personal such as her number (or Instagram I'm okay with having the Instagram and no phone for example).
Just have a good chat and enjoy your time. Be relaxed and into her conversation wise. There's not much I can tell you via text. If you're skinny work out from today till Saturday, you'll be able to get some muscle up if lean, and that helps with your overall appearance.
Like I said, don't expect sex on a first date i usually close by the 2nd or 3rd date. Just go for a kiss that's mandatory (especially if you jump in the pool) from there you can escalate until sex.
If you get some drinks too, everything will flow easier (but don't drink too much, else you might get nervous with the Stacy and in the off chance you need to use your dick is gonna bail out on you).
Good luck.

>>34701581
Damn, I was genuinely busy those day though and wouldn't have been able to. I suppose I'll approach her when we next have a shift overlap.

>>34701353
Okay fair enough I’ll just play it cool and act like it’s not throwing me off. She’s legit cool though and I’ll probably take her out somewhere nice as a semi-apology for not being available much to chat even after she came out.

>>34701335
>give oral

That’s literally all you need to do and you’re already ahead of 90% of men.

If there's a girl I like and I talk to her sometimes, and I see her hanging out with a group of friends, should I walk over and talk to her or should I just walk past and ignore them? I don't know any of her friends.

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What do you think boys. For me it's a no go as I don't do lunch/dinner dates for a 1st meet (money expense and then you don't know if you'll even see her again).
Background Ukrainian 24yo looking for marriage/life partner.
She lives like 1:10' away from me so also a hassle.
And i find her like a 7.5 on looks (additionally i don't like Slavics because they are weird, case in point):

>I think it’s good to be open about expectations from the beginning. One thing that’s important to me is generosity. Not just financially, but as a personality trait. I also value kindness, good manners, and someone who takes care of himself.
>When a man invites me on a first date, I appreciate it when he takes the initiative and invites me for lunch or dinner apart form other activities like going to the museum or somewhere else. That’s what feels natural to me. If we have different views on that, it’s completely okay - we’ll simply know we’re probably not the right match.

That text was via WhatsApp after i said I'll be open to see her this Friday and grab snacks and drinks

>>34702220
>For me it's a no go as I don't do lunch/dinner dates for a 1st meet
then why are you asking here?

>>34701585
Only ever by going out or friends/mutuals. I stayed off of social media for the most part which usually was appreciated by women. Some got turned off or freaked out and thought I was a serial killer but I just see that as weeding themselves out.
>no single women
Single women are especially out at bars and clubs. Are they telling you they’re taken or do you mean in a philosophical sense like no women is truly single? Bc both are kind of true.
>>34701993
Don’t do the apology thing. It’s negative and unnecessary. When you take her out just be genuine in how thankful you are that she came out. Ask for her honest opinion about what she thought about it and use this as a constructive conversational piece to get into a deep discussion about whatever you want that naturally leads from this.

When I went on dates with women I really liked I always naturally had really deep conversations with them from the get go. Especially before I found my wife, I really felt like I was losing time so I wanted to kind of get down to it and I went through relationships quick. Never had a gf longer than 2 or 3 months. I never cared about sex because by this time, I didn’t really care about it. I wanted a deep intrapersonal connection with someone.
>>34702034
Anything is fine. Just act like a normal human. If you see someone you know and like then just say hey and maybe ask how they’re doing. Social interactions of this level shouldn’t be overwhelmingly complicated. Personally, I would strike up a convo and just keep rattling shit off the top of my head

>>34702250
Because I'm not dogmatic on my opinion and wanted to know if anyone had an opinion regarding Ukrainians.
Will probably mention that I don't really do first dates lunch/dinner so maybe it's a cultural thing

>>34702304
is your approach to finances in dating popular in your country? if yes, then I would stick with it. Immigrants should comply or gtfo

>>34702330
Based. Yeah i guess she's expecting princess treatment and I rather not over invest my time or money on uncertainty. Plus, have you seen the majority of men and women how they even grab the cutlery. I don't wanna even see her attempt to cut a steak. Most humans are simply uneducated. And first date dinner/lunch is very performative. I'll pass. Kek

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>>34698475
Never tried dating or even approached a woman, 30. I was looking at one of the links in OP and one article states
>Lead an interesting life that your potential dates would want to be a part of. But do it for yourself first of all.
What does that actually look like? Can you give me examples of such a lifetstyle or what you all do? Career, hobbies, goals and shit

>>34702351
Having Foid Approved(tm) hobbies such as travel, drugs, alcohol, and food

>>34702351
It’s basically just a meaning and purpose to life for yourself that doesn’t rely on any external source. Women are essentially attracted to guys who don’t really care about getting girls or having their approval. They want a guy who has a life path

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I’m 30 and matched with a beautiful 19 year old on Tinder. We set a date and she gave me her number yesterday, I decided to text her this morning. Its 1 PM she still had not replied on either Tinder or text. I double texted with the first text letting her know who I was and then sent her a compliment about her eyes an hour later, and now I feel like I completely fucked my chances. I was seriously thinking about sending one las text later, something about wishing I was watching the sunset with her, but at this point I know I’m just spiraling because she’s gorgeous, younger, and I got way too excited about the whole thing.

>>34702518
It happens bro. Zoomers are always tricky and very flaky. So I hope she replies back to you. But just for a story time, i matched via tinder with a 24yo zoomer. Pretty gorgeous too, but probably mentally ill (she is/was a satanist lmao).
Anyway got her number too, and she was excited to meet up.
I went too strong on the text (mentioning we could have a dinner date and watch her favorite show midnight mass together which I also liked and complimented on her tinder profile). Never replied back, i fixed it by double texting that obviously we can meet for drinks in a bar, but nothing. It'll be like that. Then I checked her Instagram profile (stated via tinder we didn't add each other there) and she had a story on how she was coming out of a date giving legal advice to the dude. So it's not the texting, it's just a bigger bad boy Chad caught her attention and you just became boring to her versus the literal criminal chads (probably a junkie if you ask me).
Good luck

>>34702518
oh no a whole morning without a reply? it's so over bro, she's sucking a veiny BBC as we speak

>>34702607
She do be a petite white girl

>>34702603
Shit man, I'm sorry you got played like that, fuck her. Probably not even worth the fuck. But yeah thank you so much for the adv, I was considering texting her a day before the date plan, but she has plenty to text me on since she hasn't answered to tinder or text.

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>>34701999
Good thing I love it and have had years of practice.

>>34701615
>Bro it ain't rocket science, i told you not to be obtuse.
I understand what you're suggesting completely. What I'm less clear on is why you're suggestion is necessary. You're not making that case.
>Compliance is simply her accepting stuff coming from you (which shows she accepts whatever you throw her way).
This is the definition of a word, not a case for why I need to move off the app before the first date.
>I take it you're a zoomer, so you're scared of asking for numbers.
Both wrong. In fact I just got the number of my other hinge date tonight, although it just to send her pics of my dog.
>For me it's the default mode, to take them out of the apps and get somewhat something personal such as her number (or Instagram I'm okay with having the Instagram and no phone for example).
That's fine, but that's still not a case for why this is necessary.
>Just have a good chat and enjoy your time. Be relaxed and into her conversation wise. There's not much I can tell you via text. If you're skinny work out from today till Saturday, you'll be able to get some muscle up if lean, and that helps with your overall appearance.
>Like I said, don't expect sex on a first date i usually close by the 2nd or 3rd date. Just go for a kiss that's mandatory (especially if you jump in the pool) from there you can escalate until sex.
>If you get some drinks too, everything will flow easier (but don't drink too much, else you might get nervous with the Stacy and in the off chance you need to use your dick is gonna bail out on you).
>Good luck.
Thanks. Good call on not thinking of sex as a done deal. I'll definitely go for the kiss though.

>>34702616
It's okay, nothing of value was lost. Good luck with yours, wait a bit but yeah if in 24 hours is still radio silence. Just move on

>>34702351
>career
Industrial engineer, travel job.
>hobbies
I lift, play pickleball, travel, and volunteer at a children's Bible study. It ain't much but it's good to show that I do have a life kind of.
>goals
I want to ride lots of roller coasters in different countries. I also want a gf and to be happy. I'm pretty simple lol.

>>34702616
>>34702603
Post update for us here later. 1 PM isn't THAT late. Hope she replies.

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>>34702715
>>34702699
Thanks bros, let's see if this thread is still alive by then. I got lost in the sauce.

What's this general's opinion on pulling a girl's chair out for her at a restaurant?

>>34702789
Very respectable of you saar

>>34702889
Would that really make me seem Indian? I don't want to seem Indian.

>>34702894
No, but i literally haven't done it ever in my life. Are you Mexican? Kek
Foid is probably going to be impressed though, so if you don't care it's a nice move. But I would save it for someone that's special to you. Else (even though foid wouldn't know) feels cheap.
But then again, if you do that is quite chivalrous. So your choice after all. Also wouldn't do it on a zoomer unless you're like 40+ kek

>>34702914
And just to clarify you mean moving her own chair out closer for her to accommodate herself right? Not just moving a stupid chair around you and her.
If latter that's nothing weird, former is a nice power move. But again i haven't used that, because i don't take foid for dinner unless they mean something to me.

>>34702914
>>34702919
I’ve actually never done it either. I learned it in etiquette class but I always thought it looked stupid and awkward. Pulling out the chair is easy enough, but once she sits in it she then has to scoot the chair forward with you still holding onto it.

I’ve long been somewhat antifeminist regarding these small, useless gestures, but now I’m rethinking them and trying to figure out which ones girls actually like.

She still hasn't texted me

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>>34702974
I’m keeping the faith anon.

>>34702948
Simple ones that don't look awkward like that and they do appreciate based on my empiric knowledge:
Opening the door for them/holding it (so you go there first and she follows).
And honestly that's the only thing I do, apart from paying the bill, and having a good conversation.
Then I do cook for them at my place which is guaranteed sex, and they also like.
>>34702974
>>34703123
I've lost the faith, but I'm a cynical bastard. So keep your hopium bros, maybe you get a pleasant surprise (doubt it kek), but yeah it sucks losing a nice zoomer.
Godspeed

Be happy being single before getting a girlfriend.

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>>34703123
You a real niga

I really never know what to say when I match with girls.

>>34703200
Yep holding the door is most of what I currently do. Do you get the car door for her too if she rides with you?

What are your go to meals to cook for her? Do you have her help you? I used to like cooking but now I mostly hate it. Only cooking date I’ve had was making pizza with her and that was kind of fun.

Sorry if you’ve truly been ghosted.

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>>34703284
Compliment them, that's what's been working for me.

>>34703284
That’s easy. Comment or ask about something on her profile. Just go right into it. If there’s nothing good there just ask her how her [day of the week] is going.

>>34703299
Tell us more.

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>>34703309
Keep in mind, I've been matching with fatties, which is why I'm upset of this 19 year old. Just compliment them, the 3 women I got laid with showed me their tinder, yes, they have 1k matches, but they go all straight to asking to fuck. Compliment them on your opener, make it short, women don't open text, only read the line they see on the inbox menu.

>>34703301
>>34703322
I'd advice against asking about their day, do you want to talk about your fucking mundane shit job day? No.
"It was ok"
Remember when you were a child and your parents asked that question

Should I go back to the gym I was going to the last few months but took a break?
Theres an insanely hot girl there but I'm kinda afraid of her

>>34703397
Do mma instead

>168+ used likes on hinge
>one fake match
what the fuck could i possibly be doing wrong? i'm confident in my appearance and i chose solid pics. i refuse to believe that out of all of those likes, not one real girl is interested

>>34703400
jiu jitsu?
>>34703406
same thing happened to me, it's rough out there

>>34703413
Mixed martial arts, its honestly better than going to the gym. I do not regret.

>>34703418
I've heard from someone whose parents own a studio that it's better to go to a place focused on one specific style rather than a conglomeration

>>34703284
My strat has always been to not spend a lot of time chit chatting over text. I get straight to trying to lock down a date. The longer you go without locking down a date the higher your chances of never getting one. So that being said, my opener has always been “French or Italian?”

>>34703424
Alright do whatever you want, keep lifting 15lbs dumbbells.

>>34702948
>but once she sits in it she then has to scoot the chair forward with you still holding onto it.

Wut? No nigga, you’re supposed to plant your foot on the floor and push on the seat portion with your knee, using your hands on the backrest to steer. Lets you show off your strength. If it’s one of those tall bar chairs, there’s a cross brace at the bottom and you push on that with your foot

>>34703322
Please give examples. Are they all about their appearances or other stuff as well? Yes I am retarded.

Matched with a chick on tinder.
Giving quick responses, but also kinda not saying much. I presume she's looking for a hookup, has figuring it out on her profile. How do I get to ask her that. Is it too much to ask her in a nicer way what she's looking for on tinder?

>>34703324
It’s a great way to filter out the “it was ok” bitches, which I have no interest in and probably have no interest in me (hence that reply). People who are good at conversation can make it out of any opener.

>>34703406
What are you doing in your pics anon

>>34703449
>dragging the legs of the chair across the floor
Real smooth anon.

>>34703461
Just ask her out on a date and you’ll find out then. You have no idea what she really looks like because chicks use old pictures or flattering angles. Meet her irl before you gas yourself up for sex or you could end up with a hamplanet showing up at your door expecting to fuck.

>>34703474
Yeah actually, if you do it right. It’s supposed be quick and sharp. Startles them a little bit and gets their blood and adrenaline pumping.

>>34703468
smiling and looking at the camera. most of them are me when i'm looking my best

>>34703479
Kek fair enough I guess. Don’t think I’ll try it out though.
>>34703484
So they’re all selfies?

>>34703484
The standard pic deck I recommend is

>action man picture: where’s he going? What’s he gonna do? What’s in that bag he’s holding? Shit he means business
>Social Man: look at all those friends he has and they’re all having a good time. He knows how to have fun
>Sporty Man: Oh he was hobbies and gets outside (ooh la la he’s also got a nice bod)
>Gentle Man: oh what a great smile, he dresses well too. He looks kind.

>>34703461
ask her to hang out, suggest ice cream or something

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Niggas, the rule is you talk to her and ask her out on the same day before it ends. I'm not saying ask her out exactly on your 4th message, have a conversion, ask her what she does on her free time, AND then you'll know the moment. Ask her out on an ice cream shop. They're not crowded and she's gonna wanna leave and walk somewhere else.

>>34703498
I have these but also a
>family man
photo. I have one of my nieces on my shoulders and the other one is hugging me. We’re also at that lake with the Washington monument in the background. Neither of their faces are showing.

>>34703513
Family Man is great if you got one, the ones I mentioned are just easily staged

>>34703490
>So they’re all selfies?
some yeah, others are someone taking a picture of me
>>34703498
>action man
i don't understand how i'd pull this off
>Social man
have no friends
>Sporty Man
haven't hiked or lifted in a year
>Gentle Man
>family man
already got that

>>34703530
>Action Man
What do you do for work? Whatever that is dress accordingly. I’m guessing something STEMish. So collared shirt, slacks, laptop bag. Set up a tripod or get a friend. You want the pic to be of you walking somewhere, looking off into the distance, not at the camera, like you got some place important to fucking be, in motion.

>Social Man
Doesn’t matter that you don’t have friends. Find some group at a bar and offer to buy a round of drinks if they pose for your tinder pics and smile and act like they’re having a good time. If it’s all dudes they will totally understand and oblige. It’s free booze for 15 seconds of goofing around.

>Sporty Man
Fix that. Go do some shit and hit the gym. You shouldn’t even be on a dating app unless you got a decent body to show off. It’s a visual medium after all.

Yes this is all staged. Yes most women will probably know they are staged. Guess what? Advertisements for products are all staged too and they still work. Also guess who the advertising industry specifically targets the most because they’re the biggest consumers? Women. Also also guess what? Even though women know this shit is staged, the advertising still works or else it wouldn’t be a thing.

>>34703560
I forgot to mention, the Sporty Man pic is so you can show off your physique without taking a cringe ass gym selfie.

It does indeed suck when you make plans with the woman and she doesn't text you back.

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>>34703530
>confident in appearance
>hasn’t lifted in a year
Anon, I…

Also here’s an idea you can use that’s gotten me dozens of matches directly. Go extreme ironing. Go somewhere cool and bring an ironing board, an iron and a shirt. I almost died taking this photo but it’s done its job. You don’t need to be so foolish.

>>34703584
This. This right here is a perfect Sporty Man shot. Shorts, shirt snug enough to show off the physique, quirky and interesting, out in nature. 10/10 my dude.

>>34703560
>Doesn’t matter that you don’t have friends. Find some group at a bar and offer to buy a round of drinks if they pose for your tinder pics and smile and act like they’re having a good time. If it’s all dudes they will totally understand and oblige. It’s free booze for 15 seconds of goofing around.
as a social retard myself, that sounds kinda cringe and pathetic. go to a bar to joke around and enjoy yourself sure but don't ask strangers to pose as friends

>>34703397
Why are you afraid of her?

She never responded, RIP bros.

Bros, should I triple text her?
Quintuple if you count the tinder messages.

>>34703636
If you have no friends then you are already cringe and pathetic. You got nothing to lose and no one is gonna turn down a free round of drinks.

>>34703838
>If you have no friends then you are already cringe and pathetic
how does that even make sense?

>>34703843
That’s how the woman brain works dude. I get being a loner is normal and totally fine for you but women are social creatures and want to see some proof of socialization. You wanna get laid or not bro?

giving up on dating apps
I am 32
the only matches i've been able to get are with very below mid, 30 + year olds
And at first I was Ok with this, thinking perhaps that's just my value
But, I've been able to date much hotter younger girls by just approaching them
Though I have no time for that anymore.

Girls above 25 are so traumatized and hard to communicate with.
Dating apps after 30...not recommended.

I am now formulating ideas on how to meet as many young beautiful girls as possible

>>34703950
I find t hilarious when 40+ say they want children like bruh

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>>34703812

>>34703979
I find it sad. Although maybe they all mean by adopting?

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Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

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>>34703979
>39 yo
>kids: maybe someday

always cracks me up too, the best part is they 100000% dated a couple guys in their 20s who they could've started a family with, but they always wondered if they could do better, and preferred to make powerpoints for $60k a year to raising children.

I have no way to meet anyone. All the women I know are gay or in relationships. Dating apps don’t work. What do I do. No one knows anyone.

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>>34693761
Just got home. We got along great. She’s actually pretty cool. We went for a walk after the restaurant closed and kissed a lot. We both love Peter Pan (1953) so I proposed we get margs to go next week and watch it at my place and she liked the idea. 5.5/10 face, 10/10 body. I love slampigs so goddamn much.

>>34704287
Use dating apps

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I'm tired of matching with obese women

Do girls who mention church in their prompts ever put out in a reasonable amount of time?

>>34704396
Asking because I just got liked by a girl with head-sized milkers and that’s the only red flag on her profile. I don’t mind going to church. I volunteer at a children’s bible study in fact. But I would want to do more with those fucking tits than look at them through her shirt.

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Where's the option to filter women by weight?

You are not a ladies man yesterday or tomorrow. You are a ladies man today!

>>34698509
A cute horny as fuck girl who knows how to handle my cock has always improved my quality and output of life, so project your insecure copes and weak western mainstream narrative elsewhere.

>>34702220
does she like you? do whatever you want and invite her
does she not like you? do whatever you want and invite her

You know what? Here is a simple character us 80% of men can be to finally fuck our villainess's pussy.

We be a man who has the will to live life to the fullest.

-mic drop-

>>34702220
I would never go out with a girl seeking a “Life partner” unless I was actively looking to settle down, which I’m not. They’re clearly looking for a husband so I think delaying them would be wrong.

>34704497
Shut the fuck up Zach.

>>34703812
Tough world out there.
>>34704542
Yeah i told her we're culturally out of sync, so wishing her the best. She never replied kek. But it was a good message no butthurt.
> Thanks for being open about that. I also prefer to be upfront from the start. For me, a first date should be something simple and relaxed, like a drink or coffee, rather than a full lunch or dinner with someone I don’t know yet. That’s just more natural for me. I understand that culturally we may be a bit out of sync, so I wish you all the best.

Imagine going to pay her dinner and taking her out afterwards to jester like a clown and be performative for her.
I'm the prize, not her.

>>34704720
Oh shit I thought that was her dating app profile, not something she texted you.
>I’m attracted to guys who give me things
Just straight up saying she’s looking for beta bucks. Easy bullet to dodge. I’m not totally opposed to dinner dates but not for girls like that.

>>34704782
I mean I'm okay to breed the right women. But Slavs seem so materialistic to me, i mean she's literally a dead beat Ukrainian lmao. But Russian/Ukrainian are the same.
They just want money and heavy providers (I've got both, but rather keep it to myself or for better women out there).
I once went out with a Lithuanian and she literally spit out to me via text. Oh i got my bmw and you're coming with the train. Bla bla i don't think it's gonna work out.
Little did the bitch know I could buy her whole bloodline. Women are incredible creatures

>>34704358
name 3 apps

>>34704864
Hinge, bumble, tinder

I wrote my entire saga with a BPD or NPD chick here but i had to sum up.
She trauma bonded me, we were really good friends so it made the whole thing even more difficult to walk away from, she love bombed me with promises of sex and a future together, then pulled back and did what she could to belittle me in so many ways it destroyed my self esteem (, standing up for myself made it worse, you have to leave), engulfed me in her issues to the point I lost myself, this was the devaluation stage, then when she broke my heart I decided I was done with it, we agreed to stay friends, she was crying, two days later she showed up with a choke mark on her neck, she likes being choked during sex, when friends asked, she gave a naughty smile and said it was no one's businesses.
For all of you guys out there, if someone wants to be with you, they won't be flakey at the same time that they are saying they want to be with you, just leave.
If she goes crazy if you don't reply for 20 minutes, run away.
If she says she's crazy, run away.
If she comes at you too strong too soon, and then pulls back, leave.
If she shows ANY disrespect, don't argue, just give an ultimatum.
If she's bothered by you being successful, that's a red flag.
If she has suicidal ideations in any way related to you not being with her, run away.
All of this and more happened to me in the span of 9 months and it was both intense and traumatizing, don't fall for girls like this

>>34704864
See >>34704975

>>34704384
Time to move out of America

Every fucking app sucks. I don't know how you niggers do it. I don't even know how people fucking meet anymore. I go on meetup and all the events start at like 5pm sharp and I don't know a single god damn job that doesn't get off till 6. Even more so all these events seem to almost purposefully be 45+ minutes away from my residence so it's a fucking double bone in my ass.

>>34703406

Honestly I think everyone should just watch these videos

https://youtu.be/ezF31CwFvpc?is=N_BZU2Wxh3lpEd9y

https://youtu.be/KJX-8C7OHmw?is=8QadGPvGlhrHpqH1

Though at the same time, the real way isn't much better either if you're a loner or incel.

>>34705325
>Every fucking app sucks
Skill issue.

>>34705329
can we get a tl;dw

>>34703560
cant i just ai generate myself into these formats and nobody can even tell anyways?

>>34705591
The pictures should be a portrayal of your life. Your solution should be expanding your life, not faking it.

>>34705637
you literally came up with scenarios where you'd ask strangers to take photos in exchange for free beer. ai is cheaper, easier, and, if anything, morally preferable.

>>34705643
That wasn’t me. Although it’s still real in a way - you found strangers, befriended them (if only for a night) and got a photo. If a girl asks about the photo you can say it was just some folks you met without lying at all. AI photos of you doing cool stuff are just lying, not much different from verbally lying about your past life.

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I was in the Netherlands, and I randomly had beers with some lads I had met at an event we were at
>me and another zoomer were dooming about dating
>the other two guys were married and both doctors from finland, around 37yo
>they told us it's better to go out to bars by yourself
>just have some beers, loosen up
>then just ask girls if you can talk to them
>if they are into it great
>if not, just leave and move onto the next girls

I really hate clubs, but it to be fair I haven't tried night game at all. I went out alone at night by myself more than 10 years ago and it was super boring, but their advice was inspiring. I gotta try...
any tips? I know that it's a good sign to talk to them if they look in your direction more than once...so.

>>34705584

No. Fucking watch them.

>>34705819

I went to an anime con and I did the same thing. Now friends with a cute autistic girl I'm trying to hit on. So far so good so good luck.

>>34706038
How did you do this? When I went to cons everyone is either stuck to their own groups or phones

>>34706065
This exists everywhere in public. Even worse is all the beautiful black women I see wearing headphones. Basically implying do not disturb

>>34706065

I made small talk and slowly made it to big talk and then asked if I could join her in going around the con. It can be hard if you are very insecure and in your head because your inner thoughts and defenses will project out. It sounds basic bitch and I'm sure you've heard this a billion times, but it is relax and be yourself, even your flaws. If they say no, leave and move on. There is no point in sticking arounf and getting resentful over everything, specially strangers you just met, will never see again, and will forget about you in 5 minutes.

>>34705819
not sure where anons keep thinking that going out to bars is the same thing as going clubbing. clubs are literally the worst place to pick up girls and they’re really only around big metro areas.

the peak play for all of human history is going to nearest local bar/pub after work hours and settle down with a couple cold ones and watch what comes in. if nothing for a long time then move onto the next.

>>34706283
That’s only the peak play if your app photos suck.

>>34706318
no this is how you bypass apps entirely.

>>34706443
Why would you want to? Using alcohol to bag bar sluts sounds like an awful system. You could be swiping on a much wider range of girls on hinge in between sets at the gym and not losing your gains or money to beer. And I don’t think you can avoid alcohol in your system because who the fuck wants to be in a bar sober.

Remember do you want a girlfriend, a human being. Or, do you want an Ai princess who agrees to everything you say? One is real and acts real the other is fake and just agrees with you.

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Anyone else been rejecting for having a beard?
I'm already fucking another girl but this was a thick-assed filipina I would have loved to slamfuck into oblivion.
I actually probably will shave in a couple weeks, should I hit her up then or what? She seemed DTF in our video call last night but maybe she thought I was ugly in general or something.
Thoughts?

>>34706283
idk im slavic and the only people that frequent bars are alcoholkc boomer men. to me it seems like women do not do anything in their free time, i have dozens of hobbies and i almost never see any single young women anywhere. the few women i have met are always only there because of their boyfriends.

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UPDATE
she replied 4 hours after leaving me on "opened" so she's clearly interested
How do I play this? I'm flailing like a beta rn.
I know I can close this once I meet her irl.

>>34707067
Nevermind shaving your beard for some bitch. She is laughing and making you her bitch. It is just a game for her

>>34707132
no chance of fucking her then?
what should I say to her?
I'm sticking to my plan, which is, only a coffee/cafe date until we've at least made out, and only one mid-tier dinner date until we've fucked. If she wants to wait longer, that's fine, but we're doing little hikes and ice cream dates, and if we haven't fucked by date 5, it's over.

The asian girl I'm currently fucking was sucking me off on the first date so I don't really need this new girl.

But it would be fun to fuck her out of spite.
Fucking a girl who really annoyed me is VERY satisfying.

>>34700601
Ok, but that doesn't answer my question. Where do I go to meet women?

>>34701335
>>34701999
>>34702674
I'm serious, how do I eat pussy?

>>34701874
Yeah the ball's in your court, retard. Women rarely approach guys because of fear of rejection, same as men but less equipped to handle it mentally. It's your turn to be the initiator if you actually care about her.

>>34707478
I'm going to tell you the actual proven answer to this but watch what your brain does when you hear it.

There are 4 modern ways to meet women: dating apps, cold approaches, through mutual friends, and through a 3rd mutual space.

dating apps work but they're pretty p2w now and work better if you're not ugly and have good pictures and good texting game

cold approaches have the most instant return but lowest success rate behind dating apps. it's a numbers game and you need to desensitize yourself to rejection. also it's random as far as the level of compatibility you'll have.

mutual friends is the most successful but not always available or reliable method. it also can cause friction with your friendships if not handled right they are liked by the same people that like you, though, so the chance you'll be compatible is higher.

3rd mutual space should probably be your go-to, but it requires the most effort out of all 4, and it requires that you're not strictly in that 3rd space to meet women. The 3rd space should be somewhere you can go regularly and meet the same people. so improv classes, bike clubs, running clubs, pickleball, chess, weekly events, etc. it's the most natural one because you should just pick a 3rd space you enjoy going to and meeting women becomes the secondary objective.

>>34707528
women work in escalating stages sexually and the stages start way before you even think. be sure to prep your fingernails but cutting and filing them a day or two before you're planning to have sex. first you have to have them emotionally invested. give them reasons to look forward to spending time with you before you even see them. surprise with flowers, a dirty text, a nice dinner, etc.. when you're with them, start with foreplay and even when you think you're ready to move to eating her out, more foreplay. escalate it from light touches to massaging her body and thighs, loosening her muscles. the goal is to make her physically relaxed and emotionally hot. once you've got her there, rub the area, lightly if she's just wearing leggings or underwear, a bit firmer if she has something like jeans on. don't take off that last layer until you can feel that she's soaking wet underneath or she's actually grabbing your hand to try to force you down there. 1/2

>>34707528
>>34707570
once the clothes are off, tease the clit as much you can without touching it. light strokes around the clit, light brushing of your nails against her thighs, and squeezing the clit from the outside flaps of her pussy. do the same thing with your tongue - be as patient as you can. at this point her clit will be so sensitive that just breathing on it should trigger a reaction from her. so kiss around her pussy on the inner thighs and above it, but not directly on the clit. this will frustrate her and some girls will grab your head at that point. don't ever start as fast as you can or you'll ruin her sensitivity. it should always be a gradual increase in speed and pressure. when you first touch her clit with your tongue, just make contact and don't move. she'll move on her own. you can then gauge her rhythm of how she likes it. keep your rhythm consistent, and switch up the pattern of your licks. mix in sucking and finger play. you can start by inserting 1 finger and curling your finger upwards while you tongue the clit, or two fingers if she can handle it. your goal with your fingers is to rub the g-spot - it's basically a button on the top wall of her pussy when you insert. when you find that, you can increase the intensity by pushing down on her pelvis with your other palm as you eat her clit. once she starts getting very vocal or her body starts moving involuntarily, keep the same exact motion and rhythm. if you speed up or change up, she will lose her orgasm. after she cums (she will flex involuntarily so you'll know), ease up on whatever you're doing as she'll be very sensitive. start the process over at that point if you want to give her multiple orgasms.

>>34698475
Should I compliment women on their nails?

>>34707591
only if it's genuine. i would include a follow-up question to show interest, like "do you do them yourself" or "what made you go with that color"


just show interest towards anything that looks like they put effort into something besides their body

Soon I will see her again, I'm so nervous.

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I just gave a 31 year-old khhv girl her first hand-hold, hug and kiss.

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I've been dating a girl who's awesome, she's cute and into all of the same things I am, it's been going super well and everything, I plan to confess my love to make our relationship official (we live in Japan, she's Japanese) on our next date.
But I fear what happens when she finds my doujin collection. She's a filthy otaku too (and likely has her own doujin collection), so she's more likely to tolerate it than most girls, but some of the stuff in there is definitely off-putting for a typical woman.

How do i kiss and what did I do wrong? I've had my first kiss but the girl said it seemed like I didn't know how to kiss, I didn't.
I gently sucked her lips, alternating between the upper one and the bottom one, trying to match her speed, we didn't try to use tongue, I didn't angle my head enough, changed sides a bit much and didn't use my hands.

>>34707927
You just need someone patient to practice with unfortunately. You won’t get good without it. Doesn’t sound like you did anything obviously wrong, although generally you’ll want to get hands involved. If you’re standing up start with both on her back like a light hug, then move one up to her hair. If you’re sitting or lying down your arm should be around her and you can use the other to touch her arm, face or hair. Next step after that would be outer thighs and then tits if you feel she’d be open to it.

>>34707862
good luck, anon but i think you'll have to make sure you got all the signs before actually confessing
jp girls can get really confusing with these kinds of things

>>34707979
I also didn't use a lot of saliva, I had my arms around her shoulders when we were sitting and held the back of her neck gently, actually.
Oh well, I'll have to find someone I guess.

>>34707991
>I also didn't use a lot of saliva
You’re not supposed to, although your lips shouldn’t be dry either.
>I had my arms around her shoulders when we were sitting and held the back of her neck gently, actually.
Nigga what, this sounds awkward.
>Oh well, I'll have to find someone I guess.
I’m sorry if she won’t be patient with you.

>>34707927
How the hell do you fuck up a kiss nigga, have you never kissed your mom on the cheek as a kid or anything?

>>34708053
Kissing cheeks is different from kissing lips.

>>34707777
Girls like that are much more common than people think, and they don't even have to be ugly, often they're simply bit immature or they've spent too much time studying/being autistic at home

>>34698475
Any tips on how to stop feeling like you're cheating despite the person you feel you're cheating on having left you nearly a year ago? It's messing my life up and confusing other people. I guess I should probably just tell them that I'm not ready for anything serious or anything at all at the moment.
But then I worry that I'll upset them. Can't win.

>>34708028
Yeah it wasn't dry or too wet.
It was awkward, the physical touch part, I was nervous as hell, but part of it was, she killed my confidence beforehand with constant negging, I shouldn't have gone out with her.
Doesn't help that I was raised with zero affection and touch so I never practiced it.
I'm a mess, bros, I don't think I'm made for this.

>>34703296
If i cook i always do pizza. Ill even go to the grocery store together to buy the ingredient.

>>34707927
>>34707979
A prostitute taught me how to kiss

>>34708141
Might have to be my only chance, what do you think of what I described? I know the physical touch sounded off-putting.

>>34706964
>>34707067
Philanderer

>>34708145
Meant to reply to >>34708144

>>34708145
You should put your hand on her lower back, not her neck
Btw don't feel bad. You did nothing wrong. Its your first time and nobody is helping you unfortunately.

>>34708150
I'll try, but I feel awful, I don't go out much so I don't meet a lot of people, and I'm in a new town, so idk when I'll ever find someone interested in me again, dating apps are kinda shit.

>>34708165
Yeah things are awful

>>34707927
just be slower
and let things linger
pull away when shit gets really good to tease her
and don't be more eager than her

>>34708142
Cool, that’s the one I did before. It’s fun to roll out the dough and put whatever you want on it (part of my date was shopping for ingredients as well).

Do you mind telling me what your cooking text invitation looks like? How do you phrase it?

>>34708058
I guess but no guy ever having shown her attention in her entire life was shocking to me. I can tell she’s fucked up by an overbearing homeschooled upbringing with plenty of anxiety. I slow danced with her and she left plenty of room for Jesus, without even knowing that means.

I feel kind of bad today because at the end of the night I had to tell her this wasn’t leading anywhere so she didn’t get her hopes up. She left my text when I got home on read. I hope she doesn’t kill herself.

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what's the 'sensus on marrying divorced women? I'm interested in a relationship with a 40-year-old woman who has a 20-year-old son from previous marriage

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>>34708690
it might be hard

>>34708526
Well its mostly my second or third date idea. I also tell them during the first date that i like to cook but only if i do it for others and not if im alone.

>>34708690
Why marry her? Just keep dating her

>>34706318
Apps pull all sorts of bullshit even if your profile is good, but I agree it's the easiest way to meet someone since all you have to do is sit on your ass and wait for a match

>>34699736
what are your stats? hieght? frame? looks? Age?

>>34709009
i want to make babies

>>34707745
I shouldn't have been, what a waste of time and money.

>>34707550
different anon- how do i get good pictures and build a attractive dating profile? I get zero matches and im not ugly, relatively jacked but my pictures suck or i think im banned

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>>34709078
>babies
>with a 40 year old

>>34709078
And you need marriage for that?

>>34709168
See >>34703498

>>34708148
?? I'm not married

>>34704396
>>34704407
I matched with her. She had both prompts and photos about national parks so I asked her a question about them and she didn’t respond. Fucking bitch.

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So I set out to go out to a bar by myself tonight >>34705819, but the hour is coming and I've been quite anxious all day and it affected my mood. When I'm anxious I'm not talkative, smiley and open.
I genuinely don't enjoy night life, but I'm out of options to meet girls.

>>34709375
Niggas will do anything but get good dating app photos.

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>>34709391
>dating app
sorry, but I'm not a goyim. If it's p2p, I'd rather pay the hookers directly and get my dick sucked.

Have any mentally ill 5'5 35 year old virgins turned things around?

>>34709400
It’s only p2p if your photos suck.

>>34708597
Phew she replied and said she had a great time too. We good.

>>34709400
*jaw drops to floor, eyes pop out of sockets accompanied by trumpets, heart beats out of chest, awooga awooga sound effect, pulls chain on train whistle that has appeared next to head as steam blows out, slams fists on table, rattling any plates, bowls or silverware, whistles loudly, fireworks shoot from top of head, pants loudly as tongue hangs out of mouth, wipes comically large bead of sweat from forehead, clears throat, straightens tie, combs hair* Ahem, you look very lovely.

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This Canadian chick liked me, but she's not even in the country for a month, do I even bother?

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>>34709752
>friend
Maybe just text her if you enjoy it and see what happens. Hard to imagine it going the way you want it to though. There’s a good chance she really only wants friendship, and an equally good chance she’d go on a few dates but not put out. You could also just ask her what she’s really looking for straight up.

>>34709928
Think I text her a couple of times just casually about her trip etc. Then just ask her what kinda friendship she's looking for?

Getting a girl who does whatever you want is ez
How do you get a dominant girlfriend tho?

>>34698475
So what does princess treatment mean

>>34710129
Sounds like a good plan. And if it is just friendship there’s nothing really wrong with that if you like talking to her.

Fucking a nympho later. Tips on how to last longer?

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>>34710327
i had read somewhere that you should take breaks to pleasure her through other means. this will give you time to get it together. the most important thing really is to breath

>>34698475
>Myron Gaines in the OP
lmfao this is why nobody gets anything in these threads

>>34698475

20yo khv how do I cope with the crippling dread of being unwanted when I get rejected. I keep being a beta orbiter to girls who don't give a shit about me because I can't handle it. I don't want to be like this anymore.

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>>34710629
do not blame yourself for getting rejected, blame god. you're one of the many people who deserve love, yet god only favors those who don't deserve anything. use this as a motivator to improve in yourself and get with a girl. giving up and staying a khv is letting god win

>>34698475
thinking of downloading hinge, I just don't have any good pictures of myself so not sure what to do, especially since over the summer I've grown a beard and it's not in any pictures I do have

>>34701139
>>34699736
>>34700007
>>34700113
We facetimed tonight. Pool date is happening.

She is fucking weird. One of the most bizarre girls I’ve ever talked to. She talks exactly like a rural southern hick - accent, mannerisms and grammar as you would expect. She’s afraid of ouija boards. She has a community college degree. Yet she’s probably clearing $200k a year easily. She runs six different divisions of the national corporation she works for in two different cities. She’s always on call for her job and takes calls that wake her up every night. The date starts tomorrow about an hour after she finishes sleeping in. All that success despite being only 29. She mentioned an ex-fiancee. I can’t mention what she does without doxxing her, but it’s a weird ass thing to be elite at.
>>34709024
5’11 on the apps (5’10 irl). Slim/fit - 155 lbs, 15% bodyfat (trying to get down to 10%). Probably a /soc/ 7.5/10. Maybe an 8 now though, I’m going to check with them again soon. 32 years old.

>>34710797
Also she’s moving to my city as soon as she sells her house so the 75 minute distance won’t last. I also don’t think I’m getting laid tomorrow but whatever. I’ll just happy to be there lmao.

>>34709168
I was in a similar situation, never had any luck on the apps for a long time, but recently started getting some success after getting jacked and taking some new pictures.
I will say that my current pics still aren't anything special. They don't follow conventional advice of showing me doing a hobby, being with friends, or holding puppies or babies, or whatever the fuck. Maybe I'd have even better success if they were, but what I did was at least good enough to get a few matches, one of which is going strong currently. Which is more success than I've ever head before.
Anyway, my current pics are still all just lame random headshot selfies in my room or bathroom mirror selfies or body shots. But the difference is that I actually made sure they were as flattering as possible. And I did this by taking a shit ton of pics, and I mean spamming pics, while constantly changing angles, expressions, lighting, zoom, etc. And then I imported all the photos onto my pc, so I could flip through them quickly and compare them, and gradually narrow them down to the best few pics out of like a hundred. I also used AI to rank and score them.
You can't just get the pose perfect and take one perfect picture on the first try. You have to spam, while throwing spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks, then pick the best ones. Maybe it sounds obvious to you, but it was not obvious to me, and nobody told me that.

21 year old khhv. I've heard a lot of things-good and bad-about women. Am I missing out?

Date a woman who is bold, because boldness never lies.

>>34711108
i can't say much as a khhv myself, but it's always good to experience it at least once. this applies to everything else in life. it keeps me going, wanting to experience love

how do people manage to meet a girl at the bar, bring her home and have sex?

>>34711430
You meet up, be flirty, sexually escalate and have the logistics for it (place close to you). If your approach goes well and she's up for fucking you can suggest going back to yours. Easy

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This is what we're cooking tonight (30yo petite Muslim).
2nd date, she's coming over.
I will bang (100% bang effectiveness once at my place).
Good Saturday, and tomorrow we have the 20yo to repeat it all again.

>those girls you liked on hinge that never matched with you, but reappear once every 3-4 months
I imagine they are getting pumped and dumped?

>>34711616
After a while you see the same familiar faces over dating apps. And indeed they just get pumped and dumped

>>34711553
How do you know if she’s up for fucking?

>>34711553
is there a guide or a video course for us autists? i need a step by step explanation

>>34711625
>>34711616
Not necessarily.

>>34711647
>>34711648
Do i get pay to show you spergs how to pick up women?
No, i don't. Now for the first question, you can indirectly know. But if it's a chick from a night out, you'll see if she's hanging with you and left her friends for you. That's already the signal. If you suggest to go to your place and she complies she's dtf you retard.
For the second question you got plenty of material to start from old PUA. That's basically how i formed myself when I was younger, went through MM, Ross Jeffries (his NLP is pretty good or back was then) and even fucking RSD. Then I just evolved into my own form and i don't use any other advice, i did rely on PUA when I was a sperg like you guys.
>Fake till you make it niggas

>>34711649
That they don't get pumped and dumped or it's the same familiar faces? Because both are true. Lmao

>>34711671
They don't necessarily get pumped and dumped.

>>34711666
You do it for free.

>>34711649
Agreed. I had multiple instances where a dead match disappeared only to reappear in my stack few hours later, meaning she's restarted her profile. Now why would a girl restart her profile, I'm not sure

And don't get me started on familiar faces, I've got at least 10 bios memorized simple because I see them at least once every few weeks

>>34710894
this makes sense. my issue is im 27 turning 28, i started a biz a few years ago and went all in. I got fat and let myself go, fastforward no longer fat but back to being jacked. I have shit pictures, need to get them better. my friend is 6 foot and skinny fat, tatted, and gets hella matches. I get in my head and kinda disappointed when i feel like i have no social life and unironically feel like the clocks ticking cuz turning 28 here soon. FUCK

>>34710894
>>34709191
>>34710797
How much does looks translate/ matter to attract 7-9s? I tend to avoid bars because it messes up training, but then again, i binge drink..

>>34710797
im 27 turning 28, i have not had options in the past few years from getting fat and starting a biz, im back to where i was before the fattening, but im geniunely worried that im behind and since i have zero options now, i am going to have to settle for unattractive chicks. The recent girls i got at the bar were 23 with a body count of fucking 74.. excuse the rant, i overthink out the ass

>>34700007
Checked James Bond. How do you pull gigastacys? I am new to PUA/ actively trying with women and need some pointers

>>34700113
how do you escape the bottom of barrel men? can any guy get a 8-10? Obviously you need to be in shape etc but what does it take?

>>34712299
>disappeared only to reappear in my stack few hours later
the hinge tech stack is a complex one with caches and shit

also, they literally say "give Name another look?" when this happens sometimes so it's intentional

>>34711108
Good point, Anon.

>>34711300
Good point Anon.

The problem with getting laid is that it's an art, not a science. Yet men want to systematize it.

>I GET LAID BY
>gym, hillsprints, coffee date then to my house

This is like a hyper specific money making method in runescape, this is very specific to their own skills and strengths, etc

You dont learn to paint by copying van Gogh

To actually learn how to get laid it's closer to self acutalization.

>write down 10 things youre either good at now or you want to be good at, unrelated to getting laid
>write down what type of lifestyle or women you want to attract
>reverse engineer it by figuring out what type of guys those women go for
>use your talents

example
>im good at piano, movie reviews and overwatch
>i want to attract tatted up goth girls
>they mostly fuck slender guys with long hair who have tattoos

Now
>i lose weight, get long hair, tattoos
>post movie reviews or play overwatch on stream

this is an example


everything else is someone larping as Chad

>BUT ANON ALL WOMEN FUCK CHA-

No they dont retard
They fuck hot guys, sure.

There are 10 million ways to be hot. Plenty of hot guys dont have ripped abs. A lot do.


It ultimately comes down to what YOU want.

>okay i want to fuck 100 super models
Okay so guys who fuck 100 super models are billionaires so start working on a business for 20 years
>well i dont want to do that

So what are you willing to compromise on, what you want, what work youre willing to put in, etc

THAT is what i mean by what YOU want.

>well ok i dont want to stream overwatch to get laid
ok so you dont just want a hot goth girl, you want one without having to put yourself out there, that is a different want

EVEN if you dont want to put yourself out there, there are PLENTY of ways to get laid and get what you want

start by not being so hard on yourself, start by not just listening to men, read some bell hooks


we're ALL gonna make it.

thats mean me you and everyone in this thread, do not black pill.


read alchemy by rory sutherland, start understanding getting laid is similar to marketing a product
learn about unique selling points
read feminist literature and dont be afraid to radically be yourself


itll all work out

>>34712359
Getting matches is definitely doable without much of an active social life. Like I said, you just need to work on your appearance enough and then hyper-analyze your pics to make sure they're really good/flattering. I'm in a similar boat with no social life. The way I see it is that if I meet the right girl, she can be my best friend too and we can mostly just do stuff together, and I won't feel as bad about lacking a social life. Or maybe it would give me the confidence to pursue my own social life. But either way, getting a partner is my first order of business.
If you're on dating apps, looks are everything, and you have to be several points higher than the women you'll get. I cannot stress enough how much attention even 4s and 5s get on dating apps. You need to be a 7+ just to get them. So you can forget about getting 9s altogether. Even 7s are prob outta the question on dating apps unless you're at least an 8. But you're probably not if you're a late 20s late-bloomer who uses 4chan. No offense. Just being straight up with you.

>>34712909
I shouldnt say late bloomer, more of 'I took a hiatus from lifting, got fat and saw how no bitch was interested, and then got /fit/ again.' Think of it as basically the same concept but with women, i took time away from socializing and that muscle needs to be retrained. I pulled in college and before, getting fat. But I am and have been told i am a 8 in terms of face and 9 w/ body. I will admit my pictures are fucking ass though. Its like a headshot of me in the car. and two other ones

>>34712753
what do you mean gym and hillsprints? are you working out with them?

>>34713087
no i saw it in a PUA coaches video earlier

the guy however gets laid with his method but dogmatically tells others to be like him

>>34703584
>>34703594
Wouldn't first reaction to something like this nowadays be "well if that's not AI then I don't know what is"?

Is there any point to keep talking to a woman that sometimes responds but mostly just reads messages without responding? I'm torn between whether that makes me look desperate for contact or showing that I still care.

>>34713418
No. That’s my photo and no one has ever called it AI. Just make it a real photo and you can talk about it.

>>34703584
Where is that? Gorgeous view

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>>34713677
Devil’s Lake State Park in Wisconsin

>khv
>33
>loose skin after losing 185lbs
so uhhhh how do I get a 5/10 cozy sweater qt to settle for me

>meet a party girl stacey, couple years older than me
>seems to like me, get her ig
>don't pursue
>constantly posting beach selfies
>had enough and slid in
>she triple texts about an hour later
>hesitate and don't know how to respond or continue without sounding like a goof
>nothing happens
>still posting selfies
obvious fumble on my part but hopefully it'll be easy to get back in, I'm just worried I'm being delusional thinking I have a shot. I feel like most people would say "how've you been" after not talking for a minute

>>34700964
>>34701581
>>34701993
Date ended up happening. Was painfully boring and had to keep forcing some kind of conversation. I dont dislike her but she has almost no interest in anything I enjoy. She seemed to enjoy it and told me to pick a place next time.

How do I deal with telling her we can be friends but nothing more? I dont want this to become a major problem at work. And no I dont think it's worth even trying to do it just to get with her once.