>>34883224
Do they make asians with boobs that big?
What's up with the manly hands though?

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>>34883224
So, the first rule is that relationships are pay walled in modern society, so you must have money on your pocket before you even start thinking about dating.
Thus you must get a job and stop being a lazy women hating NEET.

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Additional videos to watch.

Good starter videos
>Why We Shouldn't Leave Incels Behind https://youtu.be/xHmDJyVT3g0?si=GEUm2HAZ-I6QpLgY
>How To Get A Girlfriend https://youtu.be/05tG47pv1vM?si=x6Ngo0hvj7M9L1wn
>Dr. K Breaks Down The Science of Flirting
https://www.youtube.com/live/0k3YUL3iQds?si=OvrpJ6ZNK0je7Ybq
>How To ACTUALLY Find The Right Person For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSfuHwENzXM
>Why Your Tinder Match Isn't Going To Date You
https://youtu.be/KJX-8C7OHmw?si=5HcbRpJbUa7PE-gO

More for Men
>Why You Should NEVER Confess Your Love
https://youtu.be/xHkcIRZa6lo?si=zGxmCIXyHEAbsXdQ [Open]>Can Men & Women Be Friends? https://youtu.be/OafdDpFjOIg?si=O4SIMEOF5EzBFKN7
>The Interesting Truth About What Women Need Today & How To Get What YOU Want!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2mD6_g3xpk
>5 Harsh Realities About Women | Every Man MUST Face Alone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkhLybpZKzI

More for women
>10 Brutal Dating Tips for Women That Women Need to Hear | And Men Need to Share!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCMKgpl7HW4
>Why You're The Least Valuable Friend
https://youtu.be/ql5sWIEAcFw?si=lYx6LPTx8xaaS7OM
>Why Women Can't Find A Soulmate
https://youtu.be/58kdlgKvEU0?si=ZskCXZLFY1iMmbpF
>A Perspective on Female Loneliness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbGZaGzWdfs

Extras
>How Your Brain Perceives Love When You Have Autism
https://youtu.be/KlSsI2CKYaQ?si=1XYAjx97G9oeNeS_
>Men Are Getting This Totally Wrong About Being A Simp or Nice Guy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn-U2Sx4spo
>The Addiction Women Can't Talk About
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDv-bX7Pegg
>Your Standards Are Way Higher Than They Should Be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diIc5e2RLKI
>"Why Women Deserve Less": Myron Gaines Loves Projection & Bad Math
https://youtu.be/u6QcjXub8fo?si=6TaYexKVRHBncmOm
>Why 40% Of Young Men Need Erectile Retraining
https://youtu.be/2MwTDoT8q_A?si=C-7aytPOjXwgOuIX

Always remember it could be worse. At least you get to see hot girls. There are some people in third world countries they don't even know what a hot girl is like and am stuck on some goat farm away from everyone there forever to take care of his family's farm living a life where he just has to tend goats and live off of beans. You, yes you got a terrible date, but you got to see a hot woman and get a good meal. Remember that. Hell to the guys here who claim they get rejected a lot on Tinder, do you have any idea how fortunate you are to be on Tinder to even see this magnificent beauties?

>>34883352
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that kind of comparison is bullshittingly invalidating.

>Damn life sucks
>Well other people have it worse!

Nigga just say "yeah but you're still a good person"

There's a scottish pub that has "Ladies night" on tuesdays.
I never went drinking during the weekdays, has anyopne had any experience with it?

>>34883361
Not for a ladies night but yes I have. I can handle my booze so how drunk you want to be and act is up to you. Just because you go to a bar doesn't mean you have to get crunked.

>>34883361
Oh wait that's today.
Uuuuuuh maybe next week I jerked off already.

>>34883224
step 1: be comfortable in your skin
step 2: move foward
thats it

kinda wanna start a dating consulting business
1x a week, 1k a month, 1 hour
dating strategy

im really good, im just wondering if its worth pursuing really

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>>34883404
>250 bucks a session
Steep, hard sell.
What would you do exactly? Just give advice?

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>>34883224
>How to get women
Become an evil retard

>>34883358
Life is good.

How do I get better photos? I paid a photographer a few months ago but realized everything looked photoshoot quality, good, but fake and tryhard.

Ive been seeing guys advertise using ai to generate photos geared towards the "female gaze" but one dude was charging 1500. I figure I can probably do better, but dont know how. The only pictures I have of myself are playing concerts with my band, which you would think is great, but I literally get no likes on hinge. I tried to get my bros to get pictures of me, got made fun of for being a tryhard. Atp I should probably just use instagram as a dating app and see how it goes

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>>34883799
>I went to a professional and had a planned photoshot
>all my photos look fake though what do
>should I use AI to make my photos less fake?

Literally just fucking take real photos dude. You want women to like you for who YOU are. You have to accept the good sides and bad sides of you. Once you do you'll start to realize you have a lot less flaws than you think as well. Remember your partner needs to accept your flaws as well so if they can't why the fuck would you want them? Your partner should push you to do better, not enable your bad habits.

>>34883799
https://blog.photofeeler.com/pose-flattering-profile-photos/
https://blog.photofeeler.com/look-more-natural-authentic-in-pictures-less-posed-staged-fake/
https://blog.photofeeler.com/squinch/

Also, just get women to take pictures for you whenever your at a good photo spot, they're better at photographing people because they do it much more often

>>34883352
Fuck them turd worlders

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There's hardly any places to meet women.
The only places I am sure to meet any are the gym and maybe the coffee shop because I'm tired of wasting time, money, and energy at bars

>>34884409
Try thinking less.

My advice for people here is to stay away from "I hate men who like sex" erotica porn from women. Too much of that will fuck up your brain. If you want to know what the true answer is, nothing will ever work and you will never find an answer that makes things work with them except you perhaps going inside a white room your entire life away from them. See what I mean? You have to risk being a little crazy with people. Your mother who finds out you've been bad with women and she getting angry at you for it, yes that is supposed to happen. Your girlfriend's bisexual male friend who agrees with her yelling at you for hours for you doing what you do, yes that is supposed to happen. Internet postings on twitter of you being this horrible man, yeah that is supposed to happen. Instances where a woman throws water at you on a date, yeah that is supposed to happen. These negative things are supposed to happen anon. But one day the right woman will show up and appreciate the attention you give her. It's like digging for water you have to go through a lot of bullshit dirt to get to the water and then you'll have it.

Point is if you want to get a girlfriend you have to be willing to put up with the fears and tears of everyone around you. It is not meant to be easy and there is no magical solution to prevent it. So yes anon, you're gonna have to accept the fact you aren't this gentleman she wanted in her life. Instead you're the blue collar man with a trailer home who watches football when he comes from work with his beer belly. Could it be anything else? Sure it could. I could for example maybe be the kid in my college classes who talks about the intellectual quality of CNN and bashes Trump while making quirky jokes that a woman would find in a disney cartoon, but I wouldn't be myself.

>>34884409
Yeah the best way to meet women, and make friends is from a shared cause and regular unplanned meet ups. This is why most couples usually meet each other from places like school, work or clubs.

unfortunately modern times have even more enforced that bonding in the workplace or class is a huge no-no because if you're talking that means less money for Mr. Shekelstineberg, and at least from my neck of the woods I can't find clubs or activities for the 20-30 range that I can make or have interest in.

Assuming you work a normal schedule it might be a good idea to check out if any local cafes or bars have a board game night you can go to. Those usually get a decent turn out for women and are generally fun. Even if you don't find a woman, maybe you can form some new connections who might be able to hook you up.

Do some women just not like texting? Went on a really nice first date earlier this week and we have a other one scheduled soon but she replies very late and shortly to anything I send her
I like to chat and want to know more about her but kind of feel like I'm being annoying sending her texts
Maybe I just need to chill out

>>34884640
Dude that instagram picture of her isn't her completely. Women are more broken than you think like us men are more broken than we think. Okay? Do you want this fake version of her where she giggles and tells fanciful crap to her fake friends, or do you want the real broken version of her where she struggles to communicate but is willing to like you through it because she sees your heart not a show people would put up with to then one day throw you in the ghetto to leave you to the rest of the people there and forget about you.

>>34884776
I gotta be honest man I'm not totally sure what you're trying to say here

I am not able to ask a woman out unless I feel attracted to her so much that I can't stand it. I am told that to get a gf, you have to ask a ton of people out. What am I supposed to do? Ask women I don't like out?

>>34884640
Women similar to men, have very different personalities. I'm a guy who dislikes texting. I will if it's short, but I don't want to have a full conversation over text. If we're texting, I'm probably in the middle of something. Mainly because I text slowly and I have an easier time communicating what I want to say to people sometimes over a phone call instead. Usually when I want to talk to someone and get a reply immediately, a call is best. However, she might also thing calling is cringe. Different age groups also do things differently.

I suggest chilling out. Don't smother the girl, as long as you have follow up dates and she's still replying to you and showing up, you're good.

>>34884409
I've been doing this thing were I scout out places to go on the weekdays and weekends, either to do something I like doing or to explore

ngl, most of these places are just completely empty or have no crowds. Its like a zombie movie most of the time with the occasional straggler walking around. I have found a couple of spots though that seem to attract swaths of people but it all seems to be random. Some cafes have a lot of people others a couple feet away have no one.

>>34884854
You need to realize that there is more to attraction than physical attraction. There have been women who I wasn't physically attracted to, who after getting to know their personality a bit, I was mentally attracted to and that turned into a physical attraction as well. Like if a 6 knows how to say and do the right things at the right time, or if we just vibe together right, she might become a 9 to me.

You don't have to jump straight to asking women you don't like out, but try talking to some even if it's not for asking out purposes. Maybe you'll find there is something you like about her, or maybe she has hot friends.

>>34883224
i've rejected "subtle" and very direct offers for sex in the past because i want to wait for the right one, but i'm beginning to think that waiting is pointless/actively eroding my chances. i want a girl who's chaste, but even a lot of strict catholic/other religious girls i've met don't seem to really care if a guy has fucked a lot/prefer it because he knows what he's doing. i'd prefer to have just the one girl, and we can figure it out together, but i'm beginning to think that's unreasonable. should i continue waiting, or just start dating and fucking everyone i can? i don't want to but if it increases my chances of not dying alone i'll do it.

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>>34884837
I'm trying to be empathetic here. Look at pic-related, do you like both sides of the same woman you are dealing with?

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Went on my 2nd date tonight with a 39 year old asian single mom (I'm 31).
First date was coffee. Tonight was a mid-tier Italian place.
End of the first date (which lasted ~2 hours) we hugged goodbye but it was 3 pm and a kinda busy area so I guess not surprised she didn't want to kiss.
2nd date was nice, hugged her hello, we went inside, we talked about shit. She talked about her ex-husband a bit. She kinda confused the waitress a few times (a bit ESL).
I talked about how I was trying to buy a house.
At the end of the date she wanted to walk around the parking lot.
So i did. When we got to her car, I gave her her leftovers (I carried them for her) and said goodnight. Leaned in for a kiss, but she hesitated enough that I kissed her cheek instead.

Not sure what to do at this point. The other girl I've been fucking let me make out and finger her on the first date. We're not exclusive but this bullshit is making me feel bad that we're not. Should I keep pursuing this MILF? She lives 5 minutes away and is alone in her home half the week when her kid isn't there so I could be plapping her multiple times a week after work.

The next date will be a walk or maybe ice cream at most. I am not doing another dinner date until we've fucked. That's my rule. Especially given she's in the "not even a kiss on the 2nd date" shit.

But then, I was seeing this black girl who wouldn't kiss at all on the 1st date, only let me cheek kiss on the 2nd, then I was fingerfucking her in the movie theater on the 3rd date, and full-on creampied her on the 4th date.

So maybe I should be more patient?

Gimme some advice. I also Facebook stalked her (she still hasn't given me her number, we're still on the app, which I find a really bad sign) and her ex is like a 3/10 that I absolutely mog

i think i don't care anymore. anyone else?

>>34885207
Okay you fucked 7 women in your life and now you got to be responsible, are you gonna love them or just be some player?

>>34885230
>implying i fucked even one

Anyone have success approaching a waitress as a regular?

>>34885263
the flirting is to get more tips she doesn't want you

>>34885166
>At the end of the date she wanted to walk around the parking lot.
How long did you walk around the parking lot? This was probably when you should have kissed her
>she still hasn't given me her number, we're still on the app, which I find a really bad sign
Have you asked for her number and she refused or have you just not asked for it?

>>34885274
If your not autistic you should be able to tell the difference

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I paid 200 euros for this watch, thoughts?

>>34885207
Take zinc

How do you deal with a girl rejecting you to increase your chances of her coming for you later?

We didn't know eachother very well when I asked her out and I maybe did it like a bit of a retard.

I just keep my distance and on the occassions we do interact again I pretend like it never happened and try to get to know her better through a slow burn?

>>34883224
What’s this, 2010?

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>>34885584
You're the dude from the other thread? The only good way of taking rejection is just being cool with it, you've got options, right? Right?
Next time you see her just talk normally, though I wouldn't expect anything

>don’t look needy
>approaching women is needy

Where the fuck are all the women? How do I even MEET one when im a remote working tech faggot

>>34885841
>remote work
How far are you from a population center?

>>34885864
Like a 2 hr drive on a good day. I was hoping I could find some online but women seemingly just dont use the internet because I dont see any anywhere.

>>34884405
Yeah fuck the USA!

>>34885914
More like fuck India but whatever Yuro

>>34885584
>>34885659

Watch "why you should never confess your life" in >>34883344. Near the beginning it goes in to detail on how rejection and being friends can be a good thing.

Pretty much all social interactions kind of overlap with flirting. Rejection isn't god telling you that you aren't worth of finding love or her saying your DNA isn't worth passing on. Rejection is also away to test how you react and control yourself in conflict. Would you want to date a girl who when told no decides to break all your stuff and try to destroy your life in response? The same goes for women. Women also want to be able to tell you no without you putting her or anyone else in any type of danger or conflict. They also want to be able to tell you no for something while still having the security that you will still respect then and be there for them when they ask.

It shows that you respect her boundaries and that the reason you are with them isn't just for you, but also for them as well.

This goes both ways too. You are also free to reject them as well, and this can be a good thing too because it tells others what you are looking for, what your boundaries are, how you handle conflicts and how you handle leaving a relationship to where no inner or outer parties get hurt.

The ultimate goal of over comming rejection and how to properly reject someone or be rejected is to communicate that just because the rejection is happening that it doesn't mean anyone is unworthy of love and respect.

>>34885659
Approaching women isn't needy. Approaching a woman and going "p-p-p-please notice me! Ahhhh ugh sorry just uhhh l-l-like ahhh *runs away*," is needy.

I know food analogy, but when you go order food do you ask for what you want to eat or do you go "PLEASE GIVE ME FOOD I NEED IT AAAAHHHHHH". Obviously you are hungry, but when you make it seem like it's a life or death situation then yeah most people are going to dart because you're making it seem like the task you are asking them is WAY out of their skill level.

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>>34885953
>or her saying your DNA isn't worth passing on.

>>34885998
Why would you approach a woman if you don’t need something from her? Duh

>>34883799
>Ive been seeing guys advertise using ai to generate photos geared towards the "female gaze" but one dude was charging 1500
Fucking absurd when you can use ai tools for free

>>34886004
Probably falling for bait but obviously theres a difference between confidently communicating those intentions versus being clingy and needy from the outset.

>>34886011
So if there’s a guy looking at his phone and a girl is tying her shoe, why would you ask her what time it is instead of the guy? Why are you bothering her instead of a guy nearby ? Women know you need something from them.

>>34886015
Idk where youre getting 'need from'. As the other anon said, needy just means coming off as a desperate simp. Youre allowed to approach women to start conversations about things without sounding desperatefor their attention. The key is picking an obvious subject that you know you can actually talk about with real interest. Like if she has a water bottle sticker worth remarking on, if shes wearing unique jewelry, if shes carrying a book youre curious about.
If the best you can come up with is asking the time, then you need some practice. Pro tip: this is just how you start small talk with anyone, men included.

tl;dr its a skill issue

>>34886036
It’s not a skill issue sir, they literally think you need something from them. Why are you choosing to approach them? You need something from them. They know this before you open your mouth.

>>34886036
he's autism baiting you, just leave him be

I swiped right on a girl I (kind of) work with on Tinder. Should I take a non-match as a rejection? Meaning, if I approach her in person, I would be forcing her to reject me again and seeming creepy? I don’t know how the apps look from a woman’s perspective or how likely it is she saw my profile (and also if it would have told her I liked it).

>>34886058
Women don’t approach men “just to talk” they only approach if they need something from you. Duh

>>34886069
You have no way to know if she even ever got to your profile or recognized you if she did.
>also if it would have told her I liked it
You have used tinder before, right? It doesn't do that unless you have paid, which no normal women have

How to get a girl, from a loser nerd who married a hot latina:
First, lets destroy some false preconceptions:
-you do not need to be hot, good looking, etc
-you do not need to be rich or flaunt your cash with a big car & fancy shoes.
-hot or beautiful woman don't all hate you and are not all crazy nor beyond your reach.

Now, some facts:
-woman are attracted by maturity, self confidence, and genuinity (being yourself, not faking a persona). This might sound unachievable to you right now, but its not. All you need to do is be confident, open, & unapologetic about your own actual real values & interests (may it be religious, lifestyle, diet, politics, woman's rights, etc), dont play games, dont lie, stop being a whiny child (including on the internet).
-dress like a man, not like your mother would dress you (just look around you & copy good looking adult men).
-Get a serious job/career, if you dont already. It shows maturity.

Then, if you just show yourself as a normal, kind person, who is interested in what the girl has to say, by asking follow up questions rather than constantly trying to direct the conversation to how "cool" you are, and open yourself confidently about your own values when the subject comes to that, you will be automatically be interesting to girls, no matter how ugly or inexperienced you are. And when you find a girl that just happens to share your values &/or interests, its going to clic.

>>34886069
Idk there are so many combinations of possibilities lol. If shes paying for the app then she knows 100% you swiped. If shes using the free version then theres no definitive way to know
But if you were to assume a scenario where she did consciously pass on you, it couldve also been for any number of reasons.
Generally its best to not shit where you eat and maybe she knows that. Dont bother her about it irl and just move on

It's important when you are dating someone you truthfully give her what you are now. Don't set her up with promises of the future or claims of what you will be, so no what you are now is what you give her. "But I'm fat and poor!" Doesn't matter you sell her that version of you. Be truthful. If she sees you sexy and successful that will be the cherry on top of what you are. But for now you work on properly giving what you are to women.

>>34886093
I forgot to mention, dont beleive or follow the advise any of that "alpha men" bullshit. They are only tricking gullible young innexperienced men into thinking they are doing everything wrong and only them have the secret recipe, while at the same time promoting in these gullible young men the very attitudes and beliefs that will repulse women, and leave them eternally alone & frustrated.

>>34886089
>>34886096
There’s basically no way she’s paying for the app (she’s hot, what does she need it for?), however neither did I and I believe I’ve seen it say “this person liked you” or “you missed a match”, possibly as a glimpse of the premium features.

Either way I’ve already shit where I eat twice and nothing bad happened (it’s a part time job on my college campus) and at the end of the day I can always just kill myself if it gets really bad. I probably won’t have a good opportunity anyway.

>>34885594
I was walking down the street the other day and a mom (not black) was walking with her blonde cherub of a kid, she waved a finger at him and said "I'm giving you one last chance to take back what you said" and the lil dude said some unintelligible "goo goo ga ga" type of response and she just slapped him

>>34886138
>and at the end of the day I can always just kill myself if it gets really bad
sigma mindset

>>34886069
>>34886138
This is why dating apps are garbage. They leave nothing but room for a persons mind to fill in the blanks themselves which is not what you want to do.

Your mind is actually designed to be bombarded with information and physical interactions do just that. You don't just hear what they say, but how they say it, how they present it and how you do the same. When there is a lack of information your mind freaks the fuck out to try and fill in the blanks with whatever evidence is present, and if there is a lack of new evidence then it uses old evidence to fill in those blanks.

>>34886183
If getting a hot chick was easy everyone would have one.

>>34886093
Disclose your race and height.

>>34886205
Maybe it's hard to get hot girls because there aren't many hot girls and most hot girls are taken but the hot girls themselves aren't harder to get than regular girls

>>34886213
Hopefully that day happens for me.

Slightly off-topic maybe, but can you guys share some experiences where a girl was interested in you and you never realized?
>High school
>Girl talking to me
>Complaining about some other girl I don't even know or care about
>"Why is she telling me this?" I think to myself
>"[...] and she always wears padded bras, not normal ones like, mmh how can I make you understand... Like this one"
>*Lifts shirt and quickly flashes bra at me*
For the longest time I thought back at that episode and thought "Wow I can't believe she flashed her bra at me without even realizing that I'd find it hot, what a scatterbrain." until I read a 4chan thread about missing signals and thought that it never happened to me and that episode was the closest I've gotten to being liked by a girl but "it was on accident so it doesn't count... wait a goddamn minute"
In hindsight there were other signs she liked me, she would be playful and teasing but I was super autistic and only found it annoying at the time.

I really wish I could go back and do things over, past me fucked me up so much in so many ways and I'm only recently started picking up the pieces to build a normal life at almost 30

>>34885522
>How long did you walk around the parking lot? This was probably when you should have kissed her
Like 3 minutes. I would have gone longer but it was kinda a shit place for walking.
>Have you asked for her number and she refused or have you just not asked for it?
No I haven't asked yet. Should I? She just texted me saying she finished the leftovers from last night and thanked me again.

>>34886261
When I was in college, my roommates and I were having a small party at our house. I don't remember the exact details, but I think I was getting tired so I went to my bedroom. A friend of a friend, a chubby girl who I'd met a few times, followed me in and started trying to undress me. I told her I could do it myself, and she left.

>>34886307
>a chubby girl who I'd met a few times, followed me in and started trying to undress me. I told her I could do it myself, and she left.
GIGACHAD move lmao

Does tripodmaxxing really get you likes

>>34886266
>Like 3 minutes. I would have gone longer but it was kinda a shit place for walking
If she wasn't in a hurry to leave you could have asked if she wanted to sit in your car and listen to music (make out)
>No I haven't asked yet
Ok, it's still a little weird you've been out twice and don't have her number, but not nearly as bad as if she had refused it
>>34886266
>She just texted me saying she finished the leftovers from last night and thanked me again.
She's reminding you to ask her out again. If you can cook anything I'd try to invite her over for dinner

>>34886261
>had an obvious crush on a friend in HS
>she had friends intercede and try to encourage me to ask her out
>she invited me to do some things, albeit in a group setting
>she once playfully dared me to kiss her
>she asked me to homecoming
>she outright asked if I liked her on two different occasions like a year apart and got a little weird after i said yes without asking her out
>despite all of this i believed i was in the friend zone the whole time
I drifted away after that and she eventually came out as gay so ultimately I dont know how it wouldve panned out but WHAT THE FUUCK 16 year old me

>>34885841
Bump. Dont tell me these fucking apps are my best option please god.

>>34886205
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think most chicks can be easy minimum 5s if they weren't fat

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>>34886708
You made her gay anon

>>34885584
>How do you deal with a girl rejecting you to increase your chances of her coming for you later?

Generally if you're not a master social manipulator you're not going to socially engineer a woman into wanting to fuck you after she said no. Your best bet is to pursue other women.

How do I get a gf when all of the below applies?

I am literally never going to mentally recover from being the ugly loser at school and the loser at university and no woman ever having been attracted to me and never having had any friends. I'm 36 years old and have at least 40 years of living alone to look forward to.

I was recently in London for a few weeks and walking in the evening and seeing the happy young people drinking in bars demoralised me so damn much. I never went to any parties or bars or nightclubs when I was younger. If I had gone to any of those, I'd have been laughed at for being ugly as fuck. A typical 19 year old normie has experienced more socialising as an adult than I have.

I've never made an online dating profile but I'm sub-Chad, so we all know what would happen. Every single woman sees me as a total sub-human. The idea of ever having gone to a nightclub or making an online dating profile makes me cringe to death.

Work isn't any sort of solace because it is totally dominated by relationships and networking. If you're not in the right cliques, you will never advance. There is a type of basic brute-normieness you need to advance in large bureaucracies.

I pay attention to politics and the news, and what things come down to is huge sections of people following their self interests in the most cynical ways (voting for welfare and regulatory capture, illegal immigration, preferential treatment for government contracts). The invisible hand concept breaks when there's so much regulation. Society feels like a huge wave, where the only way to act is to go with the tide or get destroyed.

>>34883440
4x 1hr session for the month
dating evaluation of what they want, getting strategy of how to do it

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Is asking a girl out via text a bad idea? I talk to this girl at work sometimes but we text all day back and forth.

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How do you get a GF if:
>dating apps don't work
>if you have crippling social anxiety
>if you dont have a social life

>>34887132
If I were you, I'd do it in person. It's more impacting that way.

>>34887145
>if you have crippling social anxiety
>if you dont have a social life
you must deal with these first.
recently saw someone say that women like a man's work. what he creates or does or builds, be it businesses or cars or houses or guitars. or even just something like plastering or wiring. a woman loves a man's work. find your work, find your passion, find your DUTY too. there's a lot of self help for anxiety out there. deal with those things first and become a man, then women will like you.

>>34886704
>If you can cook anything I'd try to invite her over for dinner
I can cook chopped italian sausage and zucchini with cavatappi pasta. And french toast. But I live with my parents so I'd have to invite myself over which would be weird.

>>34886814
I was a virgin til 29 and now I've fucked 4 women.
I'm not saying it's easy, just saying it's not impossible.
Try to looksmax and keep it up with online dating. Make new profiles. Be careful of scams.
I was so sure I was gonna die a virgin that I was on wizard forums. Now I am not. I left that life behind. I still can't approach a woman IRL either. I need that context for romantic behavior that comes from dating apps. That said I might hit on a jeeta in one of my college classes soon, because she's cute and I love conquering brown women.

>>34886328
>GIGACHAD move
Not really. That was my earliest best shot at getting laid, and I fucked it up. Had to wait another six years after that.
>lmao
Yeah

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>>34886720
I know

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Reminder that she expects you to hit on her.

Beautiful women don't fuck cowards.

>>34886261
Long time ago back in school I was used to sitting alone in the corner at lunch. One day a hot girl I'd talked with previously comes and sits with me, on the other side of the bench outside the cafeteria. We talk a little but she mainly keeps to herself. She comes back the next day, and the next, she's there for a few weeks, we talk a little more. I forget about what at this point. I think I helped her with her homework. Mostly im just interested in drawing and the music I was listening to on my 20-song cheap capsule mp3pod and my chicken sandwich.

One day out of nowhere, she invites me to her pool party and says I should go. And I don't go. Because I had an online girl I was interested in who wasn't even my official gf yet, just friends, and then that one starts dating another guy in her state.

So I missed out on seeing this cute/hot local girl in bikini form for nothing.

Also later on a different hot highschool girl kept giving me rides back home in her car instead of me having to walk. She might've liked me come to think of it, but I did nothing about it.

>>34886261

Back in 2010 I went to an anime convention speed dating panel but it was full so staff put on a small one outside. It was a total sausage fest and I was about to leave but instead I stood on the girls side and had pleasant conversations with the single dudes. Then this gorgeous blonde gothish girl joined in and thought it was funny how I was soft rebelling the whole thing. We pretty much just talked to each other and butted in to each others speed dates. After we roamed around thw con hall hanging out and talking about life and deep shit till we hit a cross roads of where are hotels where located and parted ways. Moment I heard my room door click shut did it hit me like a freight train of what just happened.

Mhmmm so I was fooled into getting into my first relationship thinking love is a nice thing. Pretty sure my gf fucked way more people than she said she did, on top of that they're all black and mexican. I have no idea what to odo and the more I'm told the more disgusted I get.

>>34888122
dump her if you're so sure. what the fuck

talked to 3 women online this week all fails pathetic that this is the most action I've had in years. I hate the 2020s
1. Talking went really well until she didn't want to do long distance and stopped talking
2. Medium distance was about to drive 3 hours to have lots of sex and get married but then went mental when I didn't respond for like 15 hours. Clearly unhinged but what woman isn't. Blocked.
3. In my area and talking went meh. Didn't have the same tastes. Gave up to avoid disappointment. Blocked.

Your intentions need to be understood. Dating apps are the perfect way to understand your hangups. If you match with a girl then she likes you already. Your intention should be to meet up, go on a date, grab her contact info, etc. Why else are you on the app. If you aren’t even meeting up with the girls you match with then you need to figure out what the fuck is going on. Are you not even sure why you are talking to her. You have to lead everything towards a meetup. If you aren’t doing that then figure out why. Why is it hard for you to make things happen. Why are you trying to get her to like you still. Figure out why. Are you giving off the vibe that no women are interested in you. She doesn’t want to be your confidence booster. She wants to join your already good life. So at least move like you have it together or else it will be a struggle.

how good is chatgpt at rizzing women?

There is this girl at work who is doing a co-op in another department. I have some training in that department, but my home department is too busy so, I don't see her too often. I have met her and talk to her a few times, the vibes are good should I just ask her out the next time I see her, or should I play it differently?
The last time we chatted she said she hopes to see me in the department again.

>>34888228
who are you replying to? I didn't use an app I was replying to r4r type posts

>>34888253
I got a "D'aaww, thats sweet but I'm not looking for a relationship" once, so maybe make sure to engineer a better prompt.

>>34888253
>>34888268
chat gpt messages read as spam/indian scambot

>meet a girl at a coffeeshop
>she's cute, if I see her again I'm going to ask her out
>next time I see her is a month later, she mentions her gf
>get turned off, already fucking some other girl, it's too much work
>months later run into her again
>don't really feel much of that initial attraction to her
>she seems pretty excited to see me, but I brush it off
>she says she wants to shoot her shot with me, but wants to know my age
>she said she thought I was younger
>I say well fuck it here's my number anyway, lets set up a date
>ask for her availability
>she gives me 3 days, I choose the last one because I'm busy as fuck and she can wait
>3 days pass, we don't text at all, but the morning of, she says she can't see me
>that's it, "I cant see you tonight"

What the fuck was even the point? How am I supposed to be indifferent toward her enough to not hate her?

>>34888333
>How am I supposed to be indifferent toward her
But you were already indifferent toward her, and she could sense that

Girls just want guys who are fun nothing else. You can be broke and ugly but if you're fun they will be attracted to you. Only problem is I think being fun is genetic

Had a date tonight but the girl just text to cancel for x reason. She's away this weekend, but has said she's still interested in meeting and suggested next weekend.
The last time someone cancelled on the day of, she was on holidays for the next 2 weekends and I never bothered to text her again.
Firstly do I take her cancellation as an honest cancellation?
Secondly how do I text her between now and next weekend? I already had kinda ran out of topics to talk about over text and was just waiting for in person. I've got to back away for a few days, then re-engage mid next week and warm her up again, how do I do this?

>>34888442
>said she's still interested in meeting and suggested next weekend
>do I take her cancellation as an honest cancellation?
I would since she offered another specific time, if they don't do that then I take it as a rejection
>how do I text her between now and next weekend?
Just text her a few days before to confirm, it sounds like you're already texting too much with someone you haven't met

>>34888457
Nah I don't think I've text her too much, probably about 2 texts per day each for the last 8/9 days. I think just arranging the date from here and then confirming it next week is much too little.

>>34888465
>I don't think I've text her too much, probably about 2 texts per day each for the last 8/9 days
Is she ever initiating or is it always you?

>>34888489
We matched on tinder, its a back and forth conversation, I never double text

>>34888122
Stop being a prude and not give a shit.

>>34888228
Dating apps are retarded. Literally it's not ment for men or women to find anyone. Just suck your money out. I have no idea why people still don't understand this.

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>>34886814
You are literally pic related.

Stop living in your head and not giving a shit what other people think about you. There are 5 billion people in the world anon. You are literally, and I mean LITERALLY just making assumptions when you have zero proof that the complete strangers you pass by care even the slightest about you.

I mean seriously did you not read the OP or attempt to read or watch anything posted in this thread? If you just want to think the world is shit and hopeless go right ahead but remember there are definitely people uglier than you getting girlfriends, laid, and even married with kids till they grow old and die.

Figure out what you can control and control it, and I'll give you a hint on some things you can control:

>You can stop caring about what people think, specially those who clearly don't like you.
>You can start going to bars and clubs and learn how those social spaces work.
>Try to get in to those "right" cliques by finding out what they desire to take you in.
>Stop paying attention to politics and news because aside from it very obviously making you feel like shit regardless of if you agree with it or not, but remember media is controlled by jews out for profit and mass slavery so they are always going to show what is going to make you submit, not what is going to make you healthy.

Also related
>You're (probably) not as ugly as you think you are.
https://youtu.be/7Lpv2U8GyJk?is=TTx6bFntOLyShWsH

>>34887510
Honestly do it. If you are actually good at making those things and you clean up spotless like a gentleman she won't care.

Best way to anyone's heart is through their stomachs.

When you send a stupid message that could be interpreted badly is it better to send a follow-up clarifying what you meant or should I just leave it?
Specifically I was planning a second date with a girl who in previous conversation mentioned going on walks at midnight. When asking her what time works for her I said "for what it's worth midnight also works, you made it seem nice"
All I meant by that is that I'm available late, but I think she'll probably interpret that as me trying to fuck
Freaking out because that's not what I meant but I feel like sending a follow-up will just dig my grave further

>>34888808
Yeah it's probably best to just ignore it and take the L if she says no.

>>34888847
Shit
What do you think the odds are she reads it that way? She did mention midnight walks and send a photo from one earlier in the conversation so maybe I'm ok

>>34886814
>How do I get a gf when all of the below applies?

>I am literally never going to...

So what do you want help with? Finding a gf or learning how to cope with how it's never going to happen? Because you have a lot of conflicting information on what your intentions are.

>>34887132
Not at all. It's still better to do it in person.

How often do women approach you? For me it's never, unless it's from work and they want me to be their friend.

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This was the text I got about the cancelling

>>34888925
Nice. What are you going to do then?

>>34888925
It's a good sign that she still wants to meet, but if she cancels that too then she's probably not interested.

>>34888932
>>34888938
What is your guys read on this as a text for cancelling a date?
Usually I don't bother when I've been cancelled on.

>>34888884
bruh, what you said is fine, you're freaking out for no reason

>>34888944
I'm inclined to believe she's not making excuses, she wouldn't have suggested another time if she was
Don't burn this bridge yet

>>34888969
Ok, thanks anon I appreciate it

>>34888970
No I'm not burning the bridge, I've basically said to enjoy her trip and text me when she gets back to plan something for next weekend

How can a stupid fucking awkward loser subhuman piece of shit like me talk normally to a very experienced and funny girl with 10 billion orbiters?
Hard mode: she knows full well I'm an old virgin and stupidly insecure about my loneliness too because I fucking went and told her all about it in great detail under influence
I can't talk to her alone without constant awkwardness and bringing up conversation topics that are completely uninteresting and lead nowhere and I don't understand why I have to be left alone with her frequently help??

>>34888884
>What do you think the odds are she reads it that way?

Stop. Seriously just stop. Stop stop stop. This is going to sound harsh, but you are letting your narcissism take over and if you do that then you're going to beef it HARD in more than one way. Let's really break down the information you gave us.

She invited you to a night walk and asked you what time. You said "for what it's worth midnight also works, you made it seem nice". But you tellnus "All I meant by that is that I'm available late"

So a question you should instead be asking yourself is "why did I choose this instead of that?"

If you feel like your first choice isn't what you ment, then why did you choose it? What information and evidence did you look towards to say what you said originally? Because you are flip flopping on your intentions. If all you wanted to convey was that you're avaliable late then why not just say that?

Humans instinctively choose the easy route to solve their solution no matter what and you are now making things waaaaaaaaaay more difficult for yourself by not being direct on a simple question of "when can I see you?"

You are trying way to hard to control the control the situation. Let her feel how she feels, not how you want her to feel, because if she wants to feel that way about you that means she likes you including your flaws.

>>34888944
>What is your guys read on this as a text for cancelling a date?

That you are a coward who are trying to avoid accountability by having people tell you how to feel.

How do YOU feel about it anon? This is a message from her. This is about her, not just you. If you trust her, then trust the evidence she has given you. If you don't trust her, then trust the evidence she gave you to not trust her.

>>34889176
To clarify really all I'm worried about is that my intended message ("I'm available late so I'd be down for the kind late night walk you talked about") might instead be interpreted as "I'm dtf, are you"
>You are trying way to hard to control the control the situation
You're probably right about this
Im this guy in case that's relevant: >>34884640

I'll just try not to think about it for now, probably anything I send would make things worse like you said. I'll know once she responds/doesn't

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>>34887926
Hey now I was bantering
The only girl I ever really fell in love with came out of the closet to me
I was one the first to know

>>34889226
Always be clear with your intentions, but you don't have to over explain your intentions either. When you make things harder you kill it. Why do you think people under a lot of stress want to kill themselves? People say killing yourself is the easy way out, but if that is true then why doesn't everyone just kill themselves? Why are there people who try to an hero but can't pull the trigger?

Because the easy way is always the path to enlightenment.

Don't kill yourself, take the easy way out.

>>34889322
The issue is that we live in an age where a man being clear with his intentions means he risks getting canceled or accused of rape or some bullshit.

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>>34883224
ATTENTION!
ATENCIÓN!
I have discovered a thing that no one else has ever mentioned before.
Vetting for if she turns up BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE.
I have met many girls online, and been ghosted easily 50 times at this point, if not more than a hundred, and i don't mean my first message was ignored, i mean i chatted to her for a while, we both wanted the same things, we bonded, got closer, maybe even for months! ... then she just disappears with no explanation, or makes excuses/cancels plans. like, we had hardly gotten off the starting line, things were looking great, but we hadn't even given it a shot. and that's what hit me.
WE NEED TO BE VETTING FOR GIRLS WHO WILL TURN UP, TO GIVE IT A SHOT.
This is perhaps more important than vetting for characteristics you like, or even red flags, because my perfect girl, who i could never imagine ghosting me, has fucking ghosted me. i cannot get in touch with her, i don't know if she's fucking died or lost her phone or what. but if she'd fucking turned up, then we'd have some path to contact each other, maybe some mutuals or common ground (literally).
Stop spending time getting to know people before seeing if they will actually turn up, Because i could be quite happy with a girlfriend who was like 50% of everything i want in a woman, but if my 100% perfect woman doesn't show up and ghosts me, then i'd have been better off with the 50% one.
I have never heard of this before, people always say vet for this, check for that, look out for red flags, get to know her, see if you're on the same page about this and that. but never vet for "actually getting off her ass" BEFORE all that stuff.

This checks out with my other observations, that most people meet their gf's at random- because they turned up at something together.
Mate of mine got a gf recently and his strat is "meet first, then talk" this also plays into keeping frame and masculine leadership.

TL;DR vet for is she actually gets off her ass BEFORE anything else.

met a girl on the subway, she was a tourist, asked if she wanted to check out a pub tonight she said no.
Still feels good to shoot my shot

>>34889408
>Still feels good to shoot my shot
noice
i tried approaching randoms years ago, to get over my anxiety, i'd just ask them the time or directions. first time, i see this gorgeous blonde girl, looks like elsa from frozen but like 2 points uglier, i ask her the time and she is like so happy and says "have a nice day" and smiles ... i thought i was going to feel crushing anxiety, but i felt excitement.

>>34889340
The issue isn't that. The issue is that we are so heavily connected that the risk of running in to narcissists and control freaks has increased. However the more you learn how to communicate, talk, and look for the signs the better chance you have of avoiding them or if push comes to shove control them. There is always a way, just not everyone takes the same path.

Yesterday I met a tomboy at a local watercolor workshop. I'm actually an artist and I'm very experienced with watercolors and she was too, since we were sitting next to each other we naturally started talking.

It was nice. But I'm a nonbinary fag (not actually gay, just very socially concious) and she's one of these pixie fandom girls that loves Steven Universe, Digital Circus, and furries. [spoiler]I don't mind this at all.[/spoiler]

That said I'm autistic and girls like this can be a pain in the ass. Or very gay.

She gave me her private instagram. We parted ways in a friendly way, and I said 'I hope we bump into each other again'.

But I was thinking on writing her today, something like
"I really enjoyed talking with you, would you like to go paint to a cafe together?"

I'm setting myself up for the friendzone. How do I prevent this from happening?

>>34889515
Could send exactly that but use the word "date" in the text

>>34889515
>How do I prevent this from happening?
step one: stop being a faggot.

>>34889515
Could send exactly that but use the word "rooftop" in the text and let me know which rooftop it is

Best way to get a woman
>dont need a woman
>provide for yourself and your happiness
>find your beliefs and do not settle for someone who doesnt believe what you do
>find out if you want kids, make it known and dont settle for anyone who doesnt want what you want
>if you find a girl, but shes giving you a hard time about your beliefs, politics, etc - something foundational about yourself, dump her ass and tell her why. Be completely cold and dont look back.

Do not fucking simp. Be a gentleman, but be firm when needed.

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I gave up on dating and women. No point in being a jester as a non-Chad. I now just fuck escorts and save my energy. Getting women isn't supposed to be hard, they either like you or they don't.

>>34889515
>I'm setting myself up for the friendzone. How do I prevent this from happening?
If you both didn't have weird mush people sexualities she would just assume you wanted to fuck her, but here we are.
>"I really enjoyed talking with you, would you like to go paint to a cafe together?"
This seems fine to me, and I wouldn't usually say the word 'date' anyways because it makes some girls feel weird and pressured, and she's likely one of those girls. Take her to one of those cafes where you drink wine and paint if you both drink. Try to flirt with her and casually touch her. Try to take her somewhere you can kiss her after the cafe

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>>34889515
THE FRIENDZONE IS A GOOD THING ANON

YOU WANT A GIRLFRIEND.

YOU NEED TO BE HER FRIEND.
BE HER FRIEND.
BE HER FRIEEEEEEEEND.

>>34884409
Why are u guys so normie it's crazy u guys rant about jnormies and have all this in speak and shit but at the end of the day you go to BARS and COFFEE SHOPS you are fucking normies. Normie of all normies.

>>34889340
Nah it's just that being clear with ur intentions is how u kill attraction. Desire lives in the space of ambiguity. It's the difference between saying "want to come over and watch (art film) and drink wine" and "want to fuck" even though they mean the same thing the directness the fact that it's laid out so clearly collapses desire. Because, when you have something in totality you no longer desire it in most cases. For exampletry to desire something you have that you wanted really bad..I gurantee the enjoyment u had from not having it is more then the enjoyment you have from having it lol. It's like when u yolo text a girl and somehow get her to come over sometimes you will go from "damn all I need is to fuck her to , hmmm maybe this isn't such a good idea I have to make dinner get some shit ready etc etc maybe sex will be bad etc etc

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>>34889748
Nigger I go to my local coffeeshop during my lunch breaks to get the fuck out of the office, get caffeine, and play klondike solitaire.
I barely go to bars because hangovers suck, music is loud, and THEY ARE EXPENSIVE

I decided to visit a nearby Scottish sports pub. Might be a sausage fest but whatever it's good to get out of the house and I'll use smalltalk as conversation practice.

I struggle with eye contact and sometimes my brain will just go "bored, conversation done" and I become unable to say anything other than "uh uh" or "ah, really? Wow." Any tips to stop these involuntary reactions?

I just want a girlfriend reeeeeeeeeeee

>>34889770
Yeah it was mostly guys. Talked with one girl there and god damn I'm terrible at small talk, especially with the loud music forcing me to raise my voice.
Too much nervous laughter, too little to say. Guess I need more small talk practice.

>>34889967
Bye I'm lucky she kinda landed next to me, otherwise I'd just drank a beer and went home. I might be too autistic for this.

Going to start off this insight by saying I am very physically attractive and tall. This goes to show how important everything outside of your looks are. Whenever I tried with a woman it never led anywhere. They gave attention to me, yet when I try to talk to them their attention withdraws. Of course I know I am shy and insecure so I really tried to push hard and force myself to interact with women and I did try so hard. Yet it never really felt right.
My intentions were not clear. I don’t even think I deserve women, how fucked up is that. I don’t deserve the pleasure of fucking her or having fun with her. I’m not even a man then really. I am some guy who had awkward conversations or would get them a little attracted at best. I have to understand that I want to fuck women. I have to understand that if I am insecure around women it’s because I believe I shouldn’t have one. I believe it’s not for me, I’m just not the guy that gets that. Why? Why don’t I think I deserve to feel good. It’s a sad thing to realize.
But when you get to the root of this you stop being a child and interact with women having a clear intention. There is no awkwardness there at all. It’s just like saying hey I’m down for this, are you? And of course you don’t want to come off desperate but even realizing you are desperate is infinitely more powerful than not even believing you belong with women. This will apply to many here.

Today felt so awkward in a way. Got to meet up a with a girl that friendzoned me recently. Was for work related reasons you could say. Nothing bad happened but as soon as I got home I just got so sad. Here was me thinking that I had a chance and some other guy went in for the kill and they got together so fast. I just don't get why I never asked her months ago...I didn't know that I was going to miss out and it's a kick to the teeth. I guess what I got with her was more platonic than anything.

The other guy wasn't there but she did give him calls and texts and that. I just wish that it was me. The more I had talked to her over these months the more I felt like she could be the right girl for me but it was hard to get a day set up to talk about it in person, rather than over text messages and stuff. I felt like I had started to get over it after today but as soon as I got home I was so annoyed. I knew what I would have done today if I knew there was the vacancy...today I left empty handed.

I'm trying to get over it, I just feel sad that I wasn't the chosen one. I'm not upset at her, she made her decision and I will respect that as I don't want to ruin things with her. I'm more angry at myself for never making the right moves to tell her that I was potentially interested in her. I left it way too late and I paid the price. And now I don't know if I'll ever get a chance again. I just hate being me. I now know what I should have done...was just too much of a coward to just ask the fucking question.

This one is a strange situation I'm in. For the past month I've been talking to a girl daily, we hang out in calls and play games, watch movies, etc together. We talked about her coming to visit next month and doing naughty time stuff etc.

I know she has mild autism and pretty bad anxiety so her mind is a little all over the place, but I had assumed we were dating and I called her my girlfriend and she said to me today "I didn't know we were dating" and "I'm not sure if I'm romantically interested in you or not like I thought I was, I've been confused ever since you said that and need to think." She also bought a sexy maid outfit to wear for me and isn't sure if she wants to show me or not yet even though we'd planned it before.

Long story short, what do we think is happening? I personally think she might be interested and is feeling extremely anxious about the prospect of dating. She told me "Just processing how I feel. I really enjoy hanging out with you but I don’t want to rush anything and end up hurting you if I realize my feelings are different than I thought." and "Because I genuinely care about you and really like hanging out with you but I don’t want to accidentally give off wrong signals"

Either way, I'm confused. Might anyone have some insight?

Drop your discord if you want some free dating coaching, only if you are serious about it. I can help with dating apps or in-person.

>>34889609
you forgot the actual only imprtant part:
meet tons of women

so lately ive been getting dates
two weeks ago i fucked a girl from tinder
tomorrow and sunday two mroe dates with girls from tinder; we'll be getting drinks near my place

three weeks befre that a girl from bumble asked me to be her boyfriend, we fucked, and she ghosted me

now, i realize this makes me look like some sort of chad
but in reality all i want is a girlfriend
but I can't meet the girl I want
and if I do, they ghost me or leave me

I began cold approaching, but I don't have time to do it during the day, and at night it feels really sketchy and girls seem to walk fast and ignore me

After deep thoughts, I figured that I may meet 1 girl that I'm interested in and is interested in me back perhaps once every 2 years..
I'm in my 30s so there's little hope for me to get married at this point it seems

What would you do in my situation

>>34890760
>Either way, I'm confused. Might anyone have some insight?
do you want to date her?
she's basically saying she'll follow your lead
so lead her where you want to take her

how do i know this:
she's giving you an out:
if you don't like her she says she doesn't want to stop hanging out: meaning if you just want to be friends she does as well
but, she also is pushing the boundaries into flirting and romantic things
meaning, she's gauging to see if you see her that way

it's all up to how you play it
and importantly being decisive and making her feel that your decision is the correct one
so not having doubts in your decision

>>34890827
i told her flat out that I want to, but she's still uncertain. She said this to me "I think when I meet someone I really click with it can lead to hyper fixation and then I think I have feelings for them so I usually have to step back and ask myself if I really do have feelings for them or if it’d be better being just friends with them."

When I told her I'd give her time she said "Thanks pookie, I really enjoy hanging out with you and I don’t want to lose that even if my feelings aren’t romantic like I had originally thought:("

>>34890832
oh then she used romance as a way to test if you only liked her because of potential romantic interest
then believe her
she doesn't see you that way

>>34890853
She said she isn't sure if she does specifically. Just a couple nights ago she got drunk and was telling me she refused to go to sleep because she loved being with me in a call. That's why I'm confused.

The "even if" is more on the lines of her thinking about it, but I genuinely don't know what she's thinking.

>>34890857
ok here's one thing you have to understand about women:
they hate when things are defined
they hate when things aren't ambiguous
they truly hate that
so you spelling things out, and defining things makes her revolt and her feminine side just doesn't like it
so she will reject the label

but, they love living in that gray zone
where she doesn't know what you two are
are you friends, more than friends etc.

that's where you two were and girls love that shit
especially if there's no chance of meeting her anytime soon, that's where she wanted to be

and that's ALL she wanted to be

>>34890868
Oh we already hung out before and still plan on hanging out this month. We have the day picked out already.

>>34886704
>If she wasn't in a hurry to leave you could have asked if she wanted to sit in your car and listen to music (make out)
fuck good idea.... should I do that next time? or just try to kiss her normally? not sure if next date should be a walk or appetizers at a bar right by our houses (like 5 minute drive).

Which is better? I don't think I'm quite at the going-to-her-place stage yet, in terms of her comfort.

>>34890868
>but, they love living in that gray zone
>where she doesn't know what you two are
>are you friends, more than friends etc.
is this possibly what's going on with my situationship of almost a year now, where I call her baby and sweetheart but we never agreed to be exclusive and I never call her my girlfriend?

>>34888442
This has happened to me several times. They almost never actually follow through with meeting up later, sorry if thats tough to hear. My recommendation is to put the ball in her court then, like tell her to let you know what and when. Maybe she'll reply and maybe you can hold her to it. Regardless of whether or not she replies though, she'll probably just stop talking to you eventually

Its shitty behavior but unfortunately a lot of people are maladjusted and cant be straightforward with saying they arent interested. They'd invent a lie and waste your time for a week rather than just tell you.

>>34890868
If he were to suddenly stop talking to her for a couple days to see how she reacts would it end up good or bad?

>>34890814
>I'm in my 30s so there's little hope for me to get married at this point it seems
It's fine, you're not a chick, if you're getting dates/sex and you're life's on track don't give up if it's what you want
>What would you do in my situation
You probably come off as a bit of an unserious fuckboy, which can help with the sluts, but isn't catching the relationship girls you want. Do you say in your bio, the part you write not the "looking for" section since nobody reads/trusts that, that you're looking for a relationship?

>>34891226
that's good if it's just him being busy
if it's just to see how she reacts then it could backfire
but worth trying if theyve been talking every day

>>34891226
>>34891263
I don't think I would do that. We talk about 5-10 hours a day generally, but I don't want to make her feel like she did something wrong. I care about her a lot, I don't want to fuck with her. She did confirm to me today when she was talking that she didn't mean that liking me romantically was past tense, she said she's actually unsure. Then I said a line about kissing her and I saw her crack a smile in the call.

>>34889226
>>34888884
>>34888808
Hello it's this anon again
I need to learn how to kiss with tongue, thank you

whats the best way to react if youre friendzoned but still want to fuck her? should i try to get her jealous by posting pics with other girls/socializing etc? should i looksmaxx?

>>34891330
be really good friends with her
then go to social places together and use her to approach other girls
not only will the other girls be more into you because of that
she will see other girls being into you and get jealous / there's more of a chance she'll be into you that way

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Alright this is where things are. I've left the ball in her court to reach back out to me. As retarded as this is, she will have to double text at this point to restart the whole thing. I have never sent a girl a double text. Its ridiculous, but should I send her back even an emoji, so something as small as that isn't a problem.

>>34891009
I agree bro, I have never bothered to meet a girl if I can't find a date within 2 weeks of matching/talking to her.

>>34884409
Go to college.

>>34889340
then kys after that, not before that

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How do I get over my insecurity/poor self esteem, or at least stop letting it get in the way of find a relationship? I am tall, have a fine face, and have recently lost a lot of weight and I lift a decent amount. However I feel like women want absolutely nothing to do with me because I am incredibly self critical to the degree that I hold myself in contempt. Ive tried to get over it by practicing guitar and lifting everyday and doing ""self improving"" but I think this is just a cope. I feel like I have to be good enough for a relationship when in reality plenty of boring retards can get a relationship no problem. Like I cant just pull confidence out of my ass, my only experience with women in the last 7 years has been getting ghosted on dating apps and getting turned down the very few times I actually make a move IRL.

>>34889380
Kind of obnoxious how you said it but ultimately 100% correct

>>34891501
Idk why people act like double texting is wrong. Like yeah if youre being needy and sending messages every hour its annoying, but therr are plenty of normal reasons to follow up with people especially after days or if you have something completely nonsequitr to ask

Why is it impossible for me to be playful in a conversation? It feels like any time I try to talk to a girl it’s only a matter of minutes before she loses interest. It’s not like I’m not trying to be funny or joke around, my brain just lacks the capacity

>>34891776
i struggle with being playful too, but i read that it all has to do with confidence, and i see that it's true. when i'm confident, i notice that i'm a bit more playful than my usual self, which causes women to become interested and enjoy themselves. also, make sure you eat a meal, if you haven't, before socializing or else you'll be in a bad mood, that i found out yesterday

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I honestly feel like it would be more productive to have a thread showing men the best ways to pay for sex. There is more dignity in being a trick than going through the shit you guys are. This is just ridiculous.

>>34892061
Men don't want to pay for it, paying for it is meaningless
We want a girl to be genuinely into us as much as we are into them, that's the whole point

I'm in my mid-30s. I'm an ugly beta male. No woman has ever been attracted to me.

1. If I made an account on a dating site and, by some miracle, got any matches, it would be with the guarantee that the woman would never have ever been attracted to me when I was younger, and likely would have seen me as a freak. The only thing that would've changed now is she may be looking for a man to leech from.

2. And if I made an account on a dating site, I'd be deathly afraid of a random woman screenshot ting me and posting me to be made fun of on social media. I'm not one of those low IQ types that gets sympathy. I'm above average intelligence and people really love seeing people like me fail.

3. And even if the above didn't happen, I'd worry that getting no matches would utterly mindrape me and kill my motivation in life. Just the process of making an account (and not completing it) did that a tiny amount yesterday. It reminded me of when I was in university and learning about the blackpill nuked my motivation.

Advice on the above? And what's my next step?

And how did you cope with any of the above? I don't get how anyone with a conscious mind that's a sub-Chad could avoid the mental anguish of the above.

>>34890868
You are supposed to expel her to the streets if she threatens ambiguity. It's a shit test.

>>34891652
Meditating will solve all of this but anons are too weak to do it lol.

>>34890868
You have noticed something real but you don't quite understand what you are seeing. Ambiguity is where desire lives. When you have something in totality desire goes away. For men we don't have her usually until we seal the deal so like we can eat off that desire the whole time. For women it's different, they know u want to fuck them they have you in totality and that's boring, desire collapses. This is because of how we are structured through language. Ok, to prove this u know when u want something really bad and you finally get it and then u get bored of it really fast. You have it, the fantasy of having it collapses. Reality comes in. It won't complete you etc. so if you want to learn how to have sex with women as a autistic it's basically a game of stoking the flame usually saying anything outright collapses desire. That's why flirting comes in the form of teasing, thats why people say "want to come over and help me with my paper, wine and homework party lol !" but really mean " want to hook up ?" Lacan is the real pill. Lol everything else is a fantasy of conherance and cope. Meditate an hour a day if u don't want to digest any of this intellectually because it will naturally fix your constant second guessing and neurosis and inability to take risks without shattering your huge ass ego

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>>34892293

>>34883224
Indian thread

I wish my confidence wasn't so dependant on women not taking hours to respond on bumble. They reply 6 hours later and I'm supposed to keep conversing like it doesn't affect me when I know she was talking to 50 other guys in the meantime.

I was optimistic when I installed bumble 3 days ago and managed to get 4 matches and 2 convos going, now I feel like the biggest retard piece of shit and wanna die. I just know there's some other guy whos more handsome that she replies to right away. I feel like such a cuck by ignoring this and playing the game like I don't care.

Why is attracting women so impossible. Why are the odds so against us when the gender population balance is 50/50. It makes no sense to me.

>>34892358
So ur gonna let BuzzFeed Indian fat fuck ai guy trick you out of one of the most powerful practices out there lol ok

>>34892289
Learn basics about fashion and buy clothes. Lean basic color theory, staple pieces like Levi's, cool boots, sportstyle sneakers, etc... pick a main style: rugged/heritage, basic with intention (like uniqlo), idk just dyor and pick and archetype and run it. Add your own twist. Be creative. The most important thing is showing that you care about how you present yourself to the world, the specific clothes and style is secondary.

After you buy clothes, travel. Go with a friend if you have one and ask them to take pictures of you in cool backgrounds. If you don't have friends go alone and ask strangers to take the pictures. Try to smile in most pictures.

By doing this you'll look and feel better, have pictures for ig and dating apps, have travel stories, but most importantly, you'll have new experiences and get new perspectives on life.

Your insecurity will improve by doing this, I guarantee you.

>>34891652
Sucks that the only response to this is some lazy reply about meditation.

I'm in the same boat, I just don't let it get to me. I continue to do the self improvement (cope) because that's better than rotting away. I just take it as a journey. I completely give up on dating, I can't give what women want romantically. Meditating helps being disciplined in this approach. Wouldn't recommend it.

>>34892387
>women not taking hours to respond on bumble. They reply 6 hours later and I'm supposed to keep conversing like it doesn't affect
If I get too frustrated waiting for replies on the apps sometimes I just say something like "Here's my number if you want to talk or hangout sometime 555-5555" It's like 50/50 if they end up texting me, usually days later, but it wouldn't have been any better waiting for replies on the apps, and now you have her number and a signal she wants to meet

>>34892451
Makes sense, I'll start doing that

I exclusively want asian girls
I am white and have blue eyes, but im balding.
Whats my plan?

>>34892587
Can you travel to Asia to get them? How old are you? Are you reasonably fit? Do they have to be Japanese/Korean or are you not that particular?

>>34892387
Yeah it sucks. It's like you have to have complete mastery of your psyche before you even begin dating.

>>34892422
Meditation is more Indian than AI. Western men pray to Christ.

>>34892424
So basically abandon all principles good men believe in and resort to vapid materialism. Got it.

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>>34889380
That's pretty much a common knowledge, you chat for a day or two, then ask her out, making sure you schedule the date within next few days. On the day of the date (not the day before) you confirm it, if she doesn't, you stay at home. You put in as little time and effort as possible until you see it can go somewhere, after that, you continue to put as little time and effort as possible, but just enough to keep the damn thing going

Don't chat for weeks, even women put in their bios lines like "prefer to meet in person"

>>34886814
>I was recently in London for a few weeks and walking in the evening and seeing the happy young people drinking in bars demoralised me so damn much.
I relate. I took a trip to Japan a couple years ago and it was difficult to go into bars alone. I did have a few good bar experiences, mostly just talking with dudes. Even right now home in Austin, I kind of want to go out tonight, but I have no friends and it feels weird drinking by yourself in a corner.

>>34892611
>can you travel to asia
No money to travel independently. I'm learning mandarin to try to make myself an international asset
>how old
29
>are you reasonably fit
Id like to think so. Regularly run and lift weights but im not very on point with increasing my lifts
>Do they have to be Japanese/Korean or are you not that particular?
Preferably east asian but SEAsians are cute too.

>>34892654
>So basically abandon all principles good men believe in and resort to vapid materialism
right the reason you can't get laid or find someone is simply because you refuse to join society

you can do whatever you want honestly, wear your bad fitting clothes, taking selfies in your bathroom
you just won't get any likes

your choices are what lead to the results you get
you come here asking for better results
you have to be willing to change your choices and actions

or you'll just get the same results you'll always had

>>34892061
If paying for it was that easy we would do it. This is the easy way out. This is why no one likes whores. it's not because it's easy, it's because it's harder.

>>34891507
I'm in college right now and barely talk to any girls.
I see them in class sometimes but they are too focused on studying most of the time and most of my classes as a engineering student are 90% male.
I don't know where this idea that college is this super social space where you can meet women easily and organically comes from. But maybe it's because of my major, the fact I commute to school instead of being in a dorm, and the fact that I'm kind of broke.

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>>34891652
Self improvement is cope if your goal is to chase an outcome about how you perceive your ego.
You are ironically still cultivating your insecurities with that frame of mind because you will constantly think about yourself and reevaluate yourself and chase reassurance.
I think instead of "self improvement" what we should strive for is "self fulfillment". Do these things because they make you feel fulfilled and give you a sense of purpose and progress in your life, not because you are auditioning for a dumb bitch to let you inside of her vagina.
The lames you mention who are in relationships with no problem do not have this problem because they tend to be secure in themselves, or simply too retarded and lacking in self awareness to even think about how pathetic they are the way you are thinking about it.

Now I understand, more than most, that "becoming confident" is easier said than done. I have hated myself since I was extremely young as a result of childhood abuse and neurochemistry.

But if there are lessons that will help in general :
0) Turn off your brain. Seriously. Stop being so self aware and just act impulsively without even CARING about judgement or outcomes, or rather what outcomes mean about you. A dumb confident retard gets rejected and just call the bitch dumb and go on about his day. A man like you will use that reaction and think it means something deep about him and his value as a person
0.1) Stop "self improving" while expecting an outcome in the form of vagina. Framing self improvement that way is detrimental to your confidence and security because you are basically doing these things to audition for vagina to, which is bitch made. Lift because it makes you feel good and fulfilled and gives you a sense of progress in your life. Play guitar because music helps you and you love it. For some people it actually makes them forget their ego and just focus on the beauty of it all.
(1/?)

>>34891652
>>34893646
0.2) Mindfulness. >>34892293 makes a good point but is too retarded to properly expound on it. Meditating helps because it teaches you to let go, to relax, to accept, to not stress. When you practice self deprecation often times it's because you are not capable of letting go and hold onto thoughts and shit that happened and torture your brain with it. Relax you fucking retard. Observe your thoughts and realize you are not them. Let go of the fear of rejection, of the stress of adequacy, etc... none of that shit us real for real nor does it matter
1) Exposure therapy. Like yeah just go out there. I hate to sound like a normalfag with these platitudes but exposing yourself repeatedly to both rejection and acceptance will make you think less about that shit and practice (0) better while becoming more secure in yourself. If you are physically the way you describe that is. If you are ugly I would suggest you to focus on (0) first as focusing on (1) first will crush your soul. You need to forget your soul first. But someone with a better physical base can focus more on (1). For the anon I am replying to he should put equal effort on both

(2/2)

>>34893656
>Forget your soul
Forge*
>On both
in both

I don't know why my phone is doing all this nonsense, or maybe it's just me because I'm writing in stream of thoughts, this is why I hate phone posting .... but whatever I'm not correcting the rest this is legible enough for people to understand the point

To add why it is important to learn to let go when you are unfortunately too self aware.
>A dumb ass lame ask a bitch out and she says no
>In his brain "damn. Anyway that bitch was ugly anyway. Let me talk to that one over there instead"
>You ask a bitch out and she says no
>"Interesting. This provides additional evidence for the latent hypothesis that I am fundamentally a defective and inadequate human being. Let me combine it with my experience of getting ghosted in 2019 on Tinder and update the Bayesian posterior that I am destined for wizardry."
You genuinely need to learn to be able to hear "no" and remember past "nos", and instead of thinking about your experiences on Tinder back in the days when Istanbul was Constantinople, and what it means about "you", you need to let go. Recognize the thought that you think you are inadequate because of past rejections, but let it go and do not embrace it, do not make it "you".

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>>34875250
Jokes on you, she was actually cute. In fact she was so cute when I saw her waiting for me in a crowd of people I didn't know what she looked like I thought "no way that one is her, she's too cute to date me".
>>34875246
Date lasted 5 hours, it only ended because she needed to go to work. She said "see you next time!" when she got on the bus.

At this point I think I made it abundantly obvious to this girl that I'm not looking to be friends because of my behavior when I'm alone with her. I start babbling, trying to avoid dead silence and talking about random stupid incoherent bullshit she finds uninteresting. I'm walking back home with her and in acting gentlemanly I end up doing something very fucking awkward. I'll start talking about this mutual friend and giving her the wrong impression that the only reason I'm friends with someone is because I do errands for them (?) I'm not thinking straight about what comes out of my mouth. In short, I'm too fucking awkward to breathe.
Because we'll see each other more frequently I believe (my friend keeps trying to get us together in the same room for some fucking reason) how do I revert this?

>>34893697
>Jokes on you, she was actually cute
I didn't say she wasn't, the test was if you valued yourself and your time enough to ask to see what she looks like before going out of your way to meet her

i'm 26 turnign 27 soon and i've never been in a relationship. knowing i missed out on many experiences is depressing and it also hinders my ability to find a girl. i am worried if a girl i like finds out she will be turned off by my inexperience. waht should i do

>>34893953
The best time to start was yesterday, the second best time is today.
t. 28 and never had a gf.

>>34893964
i'm fucked in other aspects like i have little to no money as well. the only thing i've got going on is i am somewhat handsome and tall. But at my age a lot girls want to settle down with someone stable, im fucked :(

>>34893953
Go to Thailand or PH for a holiday and find a holiday girlfriend

>>34894201
i dont want to fuck hookers

There's this new girl at this place I frequent that is showing obvious signs of interest.

It's kinda a good and bad thing. Bad because, in these situations, you really only have X amount of time to make a move before things turn weird (that is, once you've acknowledged the interest, which I have by smiling back each time), 'cuz it's like, "oh he isn't asking me out, I thought he was interested, or cool" but then if I do and it goes poorly, have I ruined the place for me forever? Hell, even if it goes well! And then if I don't ask her out, then it'll just be a forever lingering awkward crush for the rest of time, where when I enter, she doesn't even look at me anymore because, and this is reasonable, "I smiled at him all these times and it did nothing, so fuck him"

Ahh! What to do... And before someone says "uh, just do it bro", I'm not a khv, so it's also a matter of I don't just go for any decent looking girl who shows interest. I mean maybe, but I gotta think about it.

>>34883404
>>34883440
A lot of dating coaching can be summarized as “you are paying me to hold you accountable”

Like, here is $100, just stay on my ass until I actually *do the thing*.

>>34885594
Matt Walsh (take him or leave him) had a truth nuke the other day about “post partum hormones and depression”

Basically, it’s all selfishness. The more self-centered you are. The harder and longer you feel like shit after birth because the child makes it impossible for you to continue living that way.

>>34893953
If you take it serious, you can fuck 5 different women by the time you are 28.

Imagine 5 diffrent girls by 28, what does that do for your self esteem? Need more? Or do you feel “caught up”?

I've been talking to a girl online, started off as platonic from one of the servers I'm in. As the week went on she started getting flirty with me and I reciprocated back, we would joke about meeting up, going out and exploring etc.
However she then shes twice divorced and has a full arm sleeve tat which means shes no longer someone I'd want to date in my head. Is it too late to backtrack now?
to be fair we never once talked about getting together romantically so im probably overthinking it

>>34894800
Too late? lol. You just start treating her as a regular friend and she'll get the hint that you were probably just joking or no longer interested.

>>34894813
>just joking
does that work? lol sounds easy enough

>>34894840
In online discourse? Yes. Now that I've provided your answer, wanna meet up, get some candlelit dinner, and fuck?

See, nothing serious. And we move on.

Dubs and I go out

>>34894845
But what if she doesnt want to date either and just wants to fuck? I'd be open to that, but then again ive only seen her face and not the rest of her body, but the way she describes herself she doesnt sound fat

>>34894877
Well, now we're in entirely new territory. In that case, just meet up, bang, and keep it casual. You make it sound like you'd be forced to get married if you stick your dick in, lol.

>>34894882
I guess I think that way because i've always approached romantic interest as something that MUST lead to eventual marriage, and then I assume (often incorrectly) the person Im talking to also thinks that way.Neither of us have mentioned dating or hooking up or even about what we look for in a relationship, I just have a limited experience with this whole process.

I also believe that once you have sex with someone they become more attached to you after that point and could lead to undesired consequences.

Remember she may be just a realistic woman who is harsh on you because she wants to toughen you.

>>34894950
she's already toughening my COCK haha

>>34894899
Well, there's always the risk of her wanting more, you not reciprocating, and then there's a fallout with ensuing, lasting awkwardness. That's just part of it. Which is why there's all that advice of situations where one shouldn't sleep with someone, eg coworkers or the like. It's up to you to decide.

But given what you're described, it doesn't sound like one of those situations, so yeah, go for it if you can and want to, anon.

>>34894520
>have I ruined the place for me forever?
What place is it? Have you even talked to this girl?
>you really only have X amount of time to make a move before things turn weird
Just fucking do it and get it over with so it's not an issue every time you go there. If you're casual about it, it's not the end of the world if she says no or it doesn't work out

>>34894962
Yeah we'll see, she lives far away, so meeting up would require a lot of planning which may be enough to keep the flirting online only.

We're both in our mid 30s so I guess its to be expected that one or both persons will have some baggage by that point

>>34894971
Again, the issue isn't "oh what if she says no", it's if it's worth it, because I know she'll say yes. But then there's consequences to worry about if I decide not to ask at all.

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Young men are unfortunately blinded by "improvement", thinking they're constantly climbing some peak. What no one sits them down and tells them is that your looks will drastically start declining in your late 20s, as well as your relevance. By the time you cross 30, most other 30 somethings are tied up in their families and small circles and couldn't give a fuck less about whatever you're up to or working on.

The reality is a man has a small window, about 20-27, to peak in whatever he's working on, whether it be body or art or social connections or traveling success or whatever. And this is because your looks and youth, and ability to connect with other untethered youth THROUGH whatever it is you're doing, will never exist like that again. If you don't hit it at that time, you missed out on essentially your only time in life to shine.

What is really the point of being alive after 30? I'm not really sure. I suppose it's making a family, and reminiscing on your 20s. But yes hobbies and all other shit besides your family and fostering your community are useless at that point

>>34894996
Which is why I plan to kill myself at 40.

>>34894996
I was invisible before turning 30, not all of us peak in highschool

>>34894996
My brother won that game, met a girl at 24 and go married at 30 and now has a 2nd kid on the way.

I got close to the sun and fell, met a girl at 27, dated for 3 years, it fell apart, and no relationship I've had in the last 5 years has been anywhere close to the substance of that one

>>34889515
As others have said, use the word “date”. If she rejects you, then you can decide if you want to be her friend.

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It is important to see a woman's emotions as a part of being human rather than demand she is happy and cheerful all the time. Human beings are deeply emotional people. Women are deeply emotional. Quit expecting a retarded scene from a sitcom to appear on a date. Have a human connection instead as that is both respectful to her and you. I mean here is an example of what I am talking about, "ANON BE HAPPY RIGHT NOW!" Did that make you happy? No. But adking how your day was and knowing you as a person will. Being human will.

>>34895281
A date is something you agree to, showing up to a date pissed off and making it the other person's problem would be a sign of extreme emotional immaturity

>>34895302
Exactly. If you care about the person you're going on a date with you should put some effort into being pleasant. There's no excuse to be a bitch.

>>34895302
>>34895316
I get that, but people have a lot going on in their lives. You can't expect people to put on their happy face all the time. It's very unempathetic.

>>34895331
No but if I sit down for a date and she's so pissed off that she's literally scowling at me as if I'm forcing her to be there I'm gonna be like Neo from matrix and dodge that bullet

Also a signal that she's terrible at conflict resolution

Has anyone tried Feeld? I'm just looking for FWB

Not looking forward to the dreaded "hey you still down for this weekend? btw I don't have a car..." text. It's one thing for girls I meet on the bus or coworkers who know I don't drive, but random girls I meet at places? Ahh! It's painful each and every time. It usually works out, "oh don't worry, I can pick you up :)" (thanks feminism!) but still, I feel like an idiot each time.

>>34888795
Welp I may have fucked up, we messaged a bit more about her kid and she said she was feeling a bit sick, and I said "sorry to hear that. wish I could come take care of you" and she didn't reply for like 8 hours now. She might be busy with her kid still but this is the longest she's gone without replying so far. Usually I am the one going longer without replying. Fingers crossed but I was trying to be a bit flirty since our dates felt a bit too friendly-vibed so far.

>>34896612
if you dont get matches on regular apps its even harder on feeld. especially for straight guys, the reddit sub is filled with users seething that too many normies are going on Feeld

>>34888921
They don't even approach me to be my friend.

>>34896612
I've tried it a few times. It only works on iPhone now and I got some matches but never a meetup. I might try it again at some point but as is it's kinda trash and the people on there are weird. Give it a shot though.

>>34896806
yeah you need to get a car man how old are you?

>>34896831
31. I just always had girlfriends or friends who drove, and I like taking the bus. But I am finally getting a car soonish. Whether I will use it, that's another question.

if a woman is upset with me and is ignoring my msgs should i keep on sending her msgs or leave her alone?

>>34897079
leave her alone. sending more messages shows neediness and will turn her off

>go on date(?) with girl I met from Bumble
*a couple hours after the date she sends me a message saying she had a good time and enjoyed spending time with me
>I send a message saying the same and that I would like to see her again
>She sends a "Yes! Let's hang out again :smile:"
"Hang out" means she just sees me as a friend right? Is she actually interested in seeing me again or is she just being polite?

>>34897164
Women don't do that
If she doesn't want to see you she'll just ghost you

>>34897164
>a couple hours after the date she sends me a message saying she had a good time
>"Yes! Let's hang out again :smile:"
>Is she actually interested in seeing me again
you're literally retarded

>>34897311
Nah anon's just insecure and gets too much in his own head, it's got nothing to di with intelligence

Setup a tinder account 1 hour ago and got 10 likes already. I'm optimistic. I guess losing weight + travel pictures did the trick.
But most likely tinder put me at the top of the algorithm to tease me with tinder gold and all the likes are from landwhales, fags and trannies.

>>34897444
did you use selfies or tripod/friend?

>>34894996
Why not stop being a doomer and live the lie that you still haven't reached the peak then?

>>34897455
No selfies, a friend I was travelling with took all the pictures. I asked him to take multiple pictures, I did different poses and picked the best pic from each "session".
There are a few candid pictures he took too, and some of them are the best. You look best when you're not trying.

gf of 2.5 years broke up with me after being emotionally burned out after having her emotional needs unmet for a while

she's mentioned multiple times that she wants more attention (dates, surprises etc, tracking her online work and asking about it instead of her bringing it up to me)

we were living in foreign country off my savings while i was jobless and acquiring a new skill (hence there went all of my attention and focus).

later he got a job she wanted that required temporary relocation and we both were fine to move out from this country with a plan that i'd come over to her in a month, after almost a month she says that she feels much more chill without me and breaks up with me because she has lost romantic interest to me because she didn't feel secure and that i'm in crisis, and wants to remain friends

i rejected the friendship stuff and being silent. how over is this? supposedly she's still single

>>34897518
Totally over. Need to wipe all your feelings and look at look at this as just friends only, a friend that will be telling you how she's showering naked with her sexy new guy etc. its ogre.

Now if you stay friends, sure theirs a chance she might lose interest in the news guys in her new life, and an even smaller chance she wants to get back together, but only if that happens should you start thinking about anything more than she's just a friend who wants her butt fucked by that guy the works next door, that guy that lives on her street, etc.

>>34897538
definitely dont want to be friends nor have her come back after fucking around

its my first time of being dumped in a serious relationship living together etc, so i guess my attachment is way higher (so i've hoped hers too)

so i dove into this bs no contact content etc, but yea highly doubt anything works

>>34897518
The reality is the connection you had with her can be had with other women too. It's all a matter of basic compatibility and time, because with time you share things and experiences and that's what intimacy is.
Simply move on with your life. You don't have to stay friends with her, but you don't have to block her either. Just let her be. She may want to meet up and fuck a few times there's no reason to block her and prevent that from happening.

>>34897589
we're in different cities now, so probably won't happen, tho initially we got to know each other online at a job

So I kinda fucked up and fumbled a decent girl who found someone else recently...I never asked her as much as I wanted to. I know I should have now, but it's just the way it is.

I just didn't know how to respond, and that's what fucked it. Let's say I sent her a decent picture of myself, she said she loved it, what should I have done in return to imply I could have been interested in more? Help me out...

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Hello! I never visit /adv/ but I've recently decided to get back to dating after a long term relationship ended and will try using apps. What are 5 or 6 photos that you'd recommend having in my profile for optimal results? I imagine one with my pet would be a good choice for example. I'm a guy btw. Thank you!

>>34897646
>What are 5 or 6 photos that you'd recommend having in my profile for optimal results
Preferably pictures someone else took of you in a cool place. Have pictures of your body too not just face. At least a couple of pictures smiling. Besides that there are no rules.

A lot of my insecurity comes from the fact I have a hard time believing women can actually find men, who are disgusting creatures, attractive and sexy.

>>34897623
>Let's say I sent her a decent picture of myself, she said she loved it, what should I have done in return to imply I could have been interested in more? Help me out...
Either ask for a picture of her or ask her to come over or grab a drink

>>34897698
Just transition bro

>>34897700
Was it that easy? I wish I did...too late now...I genuinely liked her and all, just couldn't put it into words.

>>34894656
I'm a bit of a selfish person but I would not hold contempt for my own child for changing my life.
This is clearly a woman problem since women are giant children anyway and they need attention

>>34894996
I dont see my life as a peak to be climbed
It is more like a plateau, like Tibet or the Altiplano
Sometimes I have to climb up a peak (work towards a goal) or rift I fell into (deal with an issue)

>>34897659
What makes a cool place cool? I almost never leave the house so I'd have to specifically look for this places to go take a picture there.

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Hold your horses anon. She just said you look cute. She has yet to have gone on a date with you or gone on even 5 dates with you before you can call her your girlfriend alright? Gotta hold it. Even then you gotta be sure it is gonna be long term. Anything can happen. Keep talking to her, but she ain't your girlfriend yet.

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Mathematically, what are the odds any one girl I ask out at college is a boyfriend-free-girl?

>>34897880
You increase the odds when you think with your head instead of your dick. Yes she is hot, but what is she to you as a human being?

Going out today w the intent to casually approach and work on my day game. Any tips?
Learned I can chat up and close well enough but my approach needs work specifically.

>>34897903
Don't try too hard.