I hate lions. Overrated motherfuckers don’t deserve their reputation as King of the Beasts or King of the Jungle. They get mogged by so many herbivorous animals and even the lesser carnivores give them tons of shit. END THE LION HYPE.
seethe
>>4726012>
Tigers are very cool (imo)
>>4726012African Wild Dogs absolutely mog them in every way. All lions are good at is killing their own cubs.
>>4726113African wild dogs lmao they are going extinct. They can chip apart a gnu's asshole with good success rate but can't compete with hyenas lions or even jackals.
gtfo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=copyGs0uj14and heres a loin getting in a tigers facehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMH0s8ylXJ4
>>4726012faggiest animal, real king of the jungle is the hippo
>does absolutely nothing all day but sleep, eat and sometimes fuck>get immense gainsHow?
>>4726201They regularly fight off competitors for their females. That’s why they just laze around, to conserve energy.
>plebeianLionTiger>contrarianLeopardCheetah>patricianCougarJaguar
>>4726166It's the elephant
>>4726012Lions are awesome. Like something out of mythology that shouldn't exist in our time.
>>4726201Male lions will join hunts when the pride needs the extra muscle to bring down larger prey like buffalo. Lionesses are more efficient at bringing down smaller, faster prey like zebras and antelope because they're less bulky so the male usually doesn't need to hunt.
>>4726012They can still be scary as fuck even if they are just laying around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uMDy16lTzI
>>4726012ungulate hooves clopped this post
>>4726082Kek
>>4726012I'm a tigerfag but lions really are the chaddest of chads deserving of the title "King". Literally get their women to fuck and do all the work with the occasional display of raw power to remind everyone who's boss.
>>4726424>lion>plebian
>>4726201>protects his pride from rival lions who would kill his cubs and fuck his lionesses >protects his prides territory from lone lions and rival prides >hunts with his lionesses regularly>if he doesn't do his job well, the lionesses in the pride will run him out or kill himSuch is the life of a Chad.
>>4727551>if he doesn't do his job well, the lionesses in the pride will run him out or kill himHow does this work? Do they have quarterly report meetings where they discuss the lion's hunting and security performance and semen quality?
>>4727553Yes, they hold a tribunal after sex and if the results are less than satisfactory they jump him then and there, they’re very methodical about it
>>4726424>uhmmmmmm the cats that could get BTFO the easiest are ascusuaklly...LE BEST!!!!!!!!really struggling for attention today huh?
>>4727553Idk how the lionesses decide it, but there are lots and lots of examples of a lioness pride turning on their lion(s) after he's failed to do his job properly>lost territory>kill got stolen>failed to join in huntsAnd so on.
>>4726012tigers>cheetahs>cougars>snow leopards>house cats>whatever else>>>>>lions
>>4726012>Local Fagot dose not like big catsNigger behavior
>>4726012Sir, this is a Wendy's
God, I want a harem.
>>4726201you won't get gains if you don't eat well and sleep well
>>4726201This is real muscle, and that is genetic and built through reps. Bodybuilders muscles are "fake". This is why the worlds best arm wrestler is a midget with biceps the size of a twig and still beats guys with pumped up roided out blimp arms.
lions pretend they are hurt when a young cub bites them just to encourage them!
Anyone got the picture of a lion in a wheelbarrow? Always makes my day.>>4728676I think that shit actually hurts.
>>4726082Gem
>>4729042
>>4729245
>makes lion hate thread>it backfiresshit op i dunno what to tell you, even i’m convinced lions are the KING now
>>4729249Pretty sure he did it just to bump another thread off, itoddler filename.
fuck these bastards
U MAD
>>4726012This post was written by a cheetah
>>4729249It’s hard being the only lion hater in a world full of liontards.
nooo dont die thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLVJifsP8AU
croc gets blown the fuck outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuxAPBYtDLY
>>4726012It's actually hilarious how they've tried to rewrite history and claim tigers are more dominant. Lions are the kings. Honestly if you don't know that, get the fuck off my board.
>>4726012I love lioness
>>4726082Marty after he got buck broken by Alex. So Marty, why are you making lion hate threads?
>>4726113Holy fucking retard, Batman!
>>4734543A tiger would kick a lion's ass 10/10 times.
>>4734543cope, tigers mog in both size and aesthetics
>>4726012>I hate lionsHow can you say that when are one of the few animals that oppose the hyena gangs of Africa? Do you have any idea how nasty hyenas are?>anal attacking butthole specialiststhey always, always attack the butthole first in a gang>cloaca having dirty ass genitaliatheir bits are inside of a giant foreskin, both males and females, that's because they are genitalia attackers, all day everyday>follow predators around, steal their shitthey are straight bitches
>>4736139Also significantly smarter than lions.
>>4736139futa is cringe
>>4736135>>4736136This. Imagine if they hunted in packs. Would be over.>>4736187Truth.
>>4736135fake pic
Crazy to think there are felines that predate on equines out there. I got a cat and a horse and it's crazy to think about my cat eating my horse. I recently got back into contact with my ex. Like, I could easily see my dog predating on my horse but never my tiny lil cat. God, I love this world we live in so much. I hope we all get to experience as much as we can of it.
>>4736293>got back into contact with my ex.relevance?
>>4736295I just thought I'd throw a little blog post in there. I greatly respect my ex. She has a fierce soul. Lions remind me of her.
>>4736306I understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_PHs-kbyposorry tigbros, go home
>>4737406MY CHILDHOODZILLENIAL KINOGRAPHY
>>4726012LMAOOOOOOOOOO
>>4726166Obese joke filled with rage like all lardasses.
>>4726424Leopard and jaguar are the same.
>>4726012Are you the same autist retard that gets angry in school when someone said dinosaurs/sharks/wolves are not cool?
>>4737515Still powerful doe
>>4737515An "obese joke" who always mogs lions
>>4737406OH N-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MliyDPW7JHo
>>4726012Felines tend to be really retarded faggots
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpP4ZhKwyo8show me tiger musicmen inspired by 'tigers'L E O N I D A Smany kings called LIONHEARTgtfo tigfags
*mogs you*
>>4737540holy brainlet batman
>>4727553probably it's a simple vote with your feet arrangement>one lioness is pissed with the male>she growls at him>others see this>if they feel the same, they growl too>eventually all gang up>if they don't feel the same they stay quiet and the first lioness backs offdoesn't exactly require a phd in linguistics
>>4738704>show me tiger musichttps://youtube.com/watch?v=btPJPFnesV4This may be the exception that proves the rule, but man you left yourself wide open.
>>4738708>bbububuh jaguar spots are slightly bigger!!..Same animal. Cope.
>>4739091they're from different continents you idiot, lions are way closer to leopards genetically speaking than jaguars>but thing look same!!! that puts you on the intellectual level of a 2 year old
>>4726012Go see an actual lion up close irl and you'll take that back, clawed paws the size of a dinner plate, agile, pack behaviour, heads three times your own with canines as long as a smartphone.
>>4739338
>>4728079you do not, during mating season female lions will EACH ask for sex up to 10 times a day, if you don't do so, they WILL bite your fucking balls
>>4741587Why are you only listing upsides if you wanted to convince me out of it
those chose the lion because it sounds like a goddamn car engine revving its enginehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7inua2QVdM
>>4726201animals are like this. As long as they get enough food they get to their maximum muscle mass or close to it.Humans are an exception in developing the capacity of shedding lean mass in order to save energy and only get the muscles that we actually use
>>4737406they really captured the essence of these two in their introductions
>>4736135you're not fooling anyone with a filename like that
>>4742324As you can see from this video, Lions are capable of two types of roar. One is usually captured in Zoos, where they use it to inform their position to other prides. The other is the 'get the fuck away from me' roar/growl.
>>4726424Guess I'm a contrarian. Leopards are my favorite :3
>>4743456>put 'leopards' into google>there is now a button where you can hear the sounds it makes!
>>4742986More like cousin doe
>>4728335You still can get hypertrophy naturally without equipment, juice or supplements (luv' me dietary supplements though)
Un lion de haut parentage En passant par un certain pré,Rencontra bergère à son gré :Il la demande en mariage.Le père aurait fort souhaitéQuelque gendre un peu moins terrible.La donner lui semblait bien dur;La refuser n'était pas sûr;Même un refus eût fait possible,Qu'on eût vu quelque beau matinUn mariage clandestin ;Car outre qu'en toute matièreLa belle était pour les gens fiers,Fille se coiffe volontiersD'amoureux à longue crinière.Le père donc, ouvertementN'osant renvoyer notre amant,Lui dit :" Ma fille est délicate;Vos griffes la pourront blesserQuand vous voudrez la caresser.Permettez donc qu'à chaque patteOn vous les rogne, et pour les dents,Qu'on vous les lime en même temps.Vos baisers en seront moins rudes,Et pour vous plus délicieux ;Car ma fille y répondra mieux,Etant sans ces inquiétudes."Le lion consent à cela,Tant son âme était aveuglée !Sans dents ni griffes le voilà,Comme place démantelée.On lâcha sur lui quelques chiens :Il fit fort peu de résistance.Amour, amour, quand tu nous tiens,On peut bien dire : " Adieu prudence!"
>>4745487ta gueule
>>4745487tres etrange poem
>is on the coat of arms of every other political entity in Europe since the middle ages>doesn't even inhabit Europe
>>4746571I mean it did for a while. That’s why they knew of it
>>4737540No they are not, Jaguars are bulkier and have stronger bites.
>>4726012Copehttps://youtu.be/1FCH3tlVVjc?si=HzPX60tViRvvbLVQ&t=79
>>4727553>How does this work? Do they have quarterly report meetings where they discuss the lion's hunting and security performance and semen quality?Female animals have preferences and make decisions regarding males all the time. This isn’t necessarily objective either. A male lion that is biased towards signals that lionesses prefer may not actually be the strongest choice, while the objectively strongest male lion who ever existed may be rejected by lionesses if he signals poorly. Could be as simple as his calls being wrong or infrequent, his mane coloration being too pale or some component of his marking behavior or the scent of his urine smelling off.
>>4748010gives meaning to the phrase 'cat-like reflexes'
>>4726012Tigers and leopards are cooler
>LE AWESOME MGM LION SOUND ... IS A TIGER!?brb bottle shopfuck this gay earthhope one day they change it to an actual lion roar
Cant get the sound effect by itself, but this video has the best sound i've come across. I remember being blown away by this roar and just like how audio equipment cant capture the vibration of your body of a lion roar, which sucks!>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSHQoY2v0Cshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOvLWSh8TZc
>>4749009gb2 /v/also hate to break it to you americans, the cry the Eagles make in movies are actually Red Tailed Hawks
>>4749698Which is confusing because the real thing doesn’t sound that bad
>>4749844>seagull with a colddo americans even
ha! I just remembered thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaaGoWYtyWI
>>4749951Not American. They *can* sound impressive when they want to I guess I should say
just like this thread, Lions face extinction by 2050>It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is most adaptable to change. --Charles Darwin(Humans --not surprisingly-- are top of the adaptable species)sorry, King. If only you could have more babies?
>>4741595there are 6 female lions in that image, have you ever tried zerkin off 60 times in one day? if you wanted to do that in 16 hours you'd have to cum every 16 minutes
page ten bump lel
>>4736136Size, yes, but can stripes really compete with that glorious mane? >>4731114 Look at that majestic motherfucker.
lions took the greek pill it seems
>>4736136They are roughly the same size. Tigers only slightly larger, and only with a few subspecies. Lions are taller whereas Tigers are longer. So its more of an aesthetic tradeoff.
>>4726111Tigers are very cool.ftfy
>>4748272anon let me tell you something else that might make you drinkY'know on heraldry, how Lions go upright and strike with both paws? Well they are so weak, that they have to keep one paw on the ground. Whereas Tigers can. I read that somewhere
>>4754398LGBT propaganda. The greeks punished homosexuality with execution.
>>4737540they’re on opposite sides of the globe genius.
>>4755689???
>>4755689????
>>4755689?????
>>4755713>>4755714>>4755715Ha!thanks fellas I stand corrected
>>4755700
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNCVXlpXWdMthread theme
>>4753578hold my dick
>>4753578>have you ever tried zerkin off 60 times in one day?I have tried, yes.
>>4736135Tiger has a much smaller head compared to the lion. Who bites harder?
>Kararot is a joke! He doesn't even have true pride!!Vegeta confirmed Lionbro
>>4748029a male being rejected by all females can't be the 'strongest male', reproductive viability trumps everything else.
>>4757812He could be strongerHe could be more virileBut female choice isnt rational and they can select for inferiority. Evolution isnt a perfect system. Its actually wrong most of the time.
>>4757827how would you measure the virility of an unchosen male?this sounds like incel garbage.
>>4757993>how would you measure the virility of an unchosen male?that's the stupid thing about evolution...you don't. it's a rough guess and if the rough guess correlates with virility maybe it will select for virility, but it also might not even once in the entire history of a species from differentiation to extinction. sexual selection causes extinctions by repeatedly selecting for traits that are totally unrelated to virility. a lot of naturally occurring, totally wild animals have low fertility because they never actually selected for fertility beyond what was sufficient to get one pregnancy in a mating season. instead they were selecting for some dumb shit like vocalizations or mating dances. as soon as the environment changes to make mating and fertilization more difficult, by reducing populations and increasing stressors, they begin having problems breeding above the replacement rate and heading towards extinction.>it sounds like incel garbageit should, because incels would have been right if women were animals, but incels were wrong because they applied animal behavior to humans who are notoriously self aware and mate based on criteria other than what their hormones and instincts dictate. nature isn't fair, nature isn't smart, nature actually does really stupid stuff so most species that evolve go extinct. unlike humans. we do cool shit that animals cant dream of, hence all the hot women with objectively ugly but very competent husbands they "shouldnt" be attracted to based on animal instincts alone.
>>4758008woof, I was right.
Only the gayest that got them frail genes
Every time i go to a restaurant for ribs, I put on my Lion shirtmmmyea boiii
>>4758397You dropped this, king (of the jungle)
>>4758403I have a wolf shirt like this, probably by the same company.Very comfortable and looks awesome.
>>4755716>t.
i admit I am Lionfag who doesn't want this thread to die
>>4758424w2c
>>4742327Why did it take so long for the actual answer to show up?
>>4759094https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gWL90wryyOw
>>4759362Because it's fucking BS lolIf that were the case every cat would look like picrel.
i loik lyenz
>>4726012They were the second most widespread mammal on Earth just behind wolves in the plestocene.
>>4728335umm, can you please enlighten us who this "world's best armwrestler" is?
>>4728079>>4741587>>4741595>>4753578>>4757035kill yourselves
>>4729042>>4729245>>4729247A cat is a cat is a cat
>>4726012I hate ants. Overrated motherfuckers don’t deserve their reputation as apex predator of the insect world. Individual they get mogged by so many other bugs and even mites can give them tons of shit. END THE ANT HYPE.
>>4760544i think his name is Ligma
>Lions have the highest percentage of muscle in their body of all mammalsNatGeo
>>4748029So lionesses get the ick?
>>4763535tigers just seem stronger because most of the muscle is in their arms
>>4759855compare a wildcat’s muscle mass to a house cat
>>4763650Lions have more muscle mass than tigers!
>>4726012>be carnivore>Constantly starving to death
>>4726012
Lions are so fucking cool
>>4745487Dios mío...Espíritu del Señor. Espíritu de Dios, Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo, Santísima Trinidad, Virgen Inmaculada, ángeles, arcángeles y santos del paraíso, descended sobre mí. Fúndeme, Señor, lléname de ti. Expulsa de mi todas las fuerzas del mal, aniquilas, destrúyelas. Expulsa de mí los maleficos, la magia negra, el ogro de las tinieblas, el luz extinguido, el americano... Por favor, destruye la infestación diabólica; todo lo que es mal, pecado, envidia, celos y perfidia; la enfermedad física, psíquica, moral, espiritual y diabólica... destruye al monstruo, a la creatura... Quema a este mal en el infierno, para que nunca más me toquen a mí ni a ningun ser. Ordeno y mando con la fuerza de Dios omnipotente, en nombre de Jesucristo Salvador, por intermedio de la Virgen Inmaculada, a todos los espíritus inmundos, a inmediatamente, que me abandonen definitivamente y que se vayan al infierno eterno. El chupa-chupacabras no puede triunfar, el monstruo, el abominación... debe morir... Encadenado por San Miguel arcángel, por San Gabriel, por San Rafael, aplastado bajo el talón de la Virgen Santísima Inmaculada, aleja el aberración genetica, al ogro de las Americas... Amén.
Tigers are simply superior to lions, if you think different you're low iq and you're irrelevant to any discussion, cope and seethe.
>>4767081>tig has bigger brain>not socialr they le retarded
>>4767081Lions are superior because they have cool manes, simple as
take David Beckham, an English gentlemen. Not a tiger man but a Lion man. Respectable, not fearful. Muscles can be built, but regal masculinity must be built and earned. To carry yourself like a King, is true power.
bump
mufasa the lioon king only in cinemas
Don't lions that fight each other die within a year 30% of the time or some absurd number like that?
>>4760544Think he meant Warwick Davis
out of all, Tanner is my favourite very unique looking lionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PFhZFxaGzE
>>4726113Make lions kill the cubs of other male lions, yes.
>>4726113>>4774130Male*
>>4727532Lions don't even live in the Jungle though. It makes 0 sense to call them "King of the Jungle" when their asses don't even live there. Plus Tigers literally have the word "King" in Chinese on there head.
>>4774239Don’t they tend to wander into the forested areas? It’s still misleading but “King of the Savannah” doesn’t sound as witty I guess
>>4768591i think because asians prefer the tiger, thier whole race tries to embody the animal. Its in the eyes, its the coldness and in the general shape
>>4775815>thier whole race tries to embody the animal.i don’t follow
great thread
westerner?prefer tigers?you are a disgrace
easterner?prefer lions?you are a disgrace
>>4765170yea but does more muscle mass relate to overall strength? If so, good for the lions
>>4753758
>:3
>>4784098JESUS CHRIST! ITS A LION! GET IN THE CAR!
>>4785578
>>4738708>>4737540jaguars are what leopards and literally all other big cats dream of being.>actual apex predator of the continent>ergo no natural predators>not a single possible prey it couldnt take down even if it's a healthy, full size adult>even other predators fear it like the caiman and anaconda>actually lives in the jungle and therefore much more fitting to call it the king of the jungle>biteforce 50% stronger than tigers, more than twice as strong as lions, three times as strong as cheetahs and 5 times as strong as leopards>can even crack open the shells of the big turtles and crocodilians>doesnt have to hide its prey from anyone or lug it up a tree and can just eat it out and about>doesnt have to whine for backup like other predators who couldnt take down similarly sized prey if their life depended on it>although described as nocturnal, the jaguar is more specifically crepuscular, so peak activity around dawn and dusk, the most dangerous time of day, when all animals are awake and the jaguar has no need to take cheap shots at sleeping foes>third largest cat after lions and tigers, largest in all of the americas, yet amerifats are scared shitless by cougars and mountain lions>the spanish ubermensch conquistadors were deathly afraid of the beast from the trees>its name stems from the indigenous word ‘yaguara’ which means ‘wild beast that overcomes its prey at a bound'>water enjoyers. great swimmers, even with large prey that they caught in the water>will prey on over 85 different species for an extremely varied diet, including cows>will dip tail into water to attract fish for easy pickings -> big brain>those who live in deep forests have darker fur than those that live in more grassy areas. how cool is that, a changing camo pattern depending on deployment!>of all big cats, the jaguar is least likely to kill and eat humans unless wounded or cornered -> big brain>why are black panthers such legendary, fearsome beasts?to be continued
>>4788196>...bc they are literal more spooky jaguars>they bite their prey directly through the back of the skull and inflict a fatal injury on the brain. most other big cats go for the throat and strangulate their prey>for smaller animals a hard swipe of the paw is enough to kill>jaguars are casual about when they will mate. there is no particular breeding/mating season. any time of year will do>though crepuscular, they will hunt day and night, whichever time their prey is active>will start eating hearts and lungs first like the kings that they are, not the neck or stomach>mostly docile, solitary animals where even the males rarely fight eachother. straight up big brain move>if population density is too high, sometimes jaguars will socialize with each other. they will go fishing, swim and play with each other. they dont have the need to hunt with eachother like other animals, they just spend some fun time together and then go do their own thing again. absolute g's among the kings>considered to be a noisy animal that roars over long distances, but also barks, grunts and coughs bc it just doesnt have to give a shit if it's heard unless it's hunting. jaguars know they're the kings of the jungle and they let everyone know that they are>all major mesoamerican civilizations prominently featured a jaguar god. they gave many of the deities jaguar-like features to illustrate their power and connection to the revered animal>mayan kings sought to associate themselves with power and mystique of the jaguar. This included wearing things like jaguar pelts and other parts of the animal to establish their connection to the animal. they even added the word 'jaguar' to their royal names to make themselves seem more powerful. the surname 'Balam' derives from the mayan word for jaguar and is still common in places like guatemalato be continued
>>4788241>mayans created an instrument that produced a sound like a jaguar’s growling, the only known stringed instrument produced in the americas before the arrival of europeans>the mayans revered the power of the jaguar. it became an important part of the divine right to rule, giving a king his power. during the king’s coronation, he would walk under a long hallway decorated with carved statues of jaguars in a procession>the mayan king named yopaat wanted to demonstrate his greatness and divine right to rule. he vowed to import dozens of jaguars to sacrifice to the gods to show his power and honor his ancestors. researchers believe he failed and needed to import the animals from long distances. the city eventually crumbled>the maya believed jaguars were sentient beings and were especially close to the gods and the spiritual world. they believed that they could communicate with them and know the will of the gods>the jaguar was the symbol of the warrior class because of its skill at hunting. aztec emperors went into battle wearing jaguar skins. they wanted to absorb the hunting prowess of these mighty hunters during their battles. they even decided cases on a judgment seat covered in jaguar skin>the jaguar has had a long presence in the religious rituals of the peoples of mexico and central america. priests and other people dressed in jaguar skins during religious rituals. they believed this helped them absorb the spiritual power of the jaguar. this was believed to help them conquer the spirit world. even today, some traditional dances in mexico involve jaguar skins. these are called the ‘la danza de los tecuanes’ or the dances of the jaguars. this is still a living tradition performed on the mexican day of the dead celebrationsyes, pic related is a motherfucking prey dolphinto be continued
>>4788196>jaguar crocpretty sure that’s a gator
>>4788251>the people of the mesoamerican jungle believed that the jaguar could help them talk to the dead and that the dead could talk to the living using the jaguar as a medium. thus the jaguar straddled the line between the worlds of the living and the dead, just as the jaguar straddled the line between day and night>mayans may have kept jaguars as pets. there is evidence that many jaguars had been domesticated for some time. scientists have determined that by doing a radioisotope analysis on the remains of jaguars found in temples. they concluded that many of the animals were consumers of wild foods but many were not>jaguars are known to stay away from roads and other human environmental features and people alltogether>but most importantly, when breeding, a pair of jaguars may mate up to 100 times a day. king shitthis post was made by jaguar gang
>>4788256(giant) kaimans are crocodilians or croc for short.jaguars are super rare in the usa, while gators are rare outside the usa. and even within the usa you'll find actual crocodiles. according to pic related
>>4788196>of all big cats, the jaguar is least likely to kill and eat humans unless wounded or corneredlaughably wrong, picrel
>>4788808snow leppards arent even defined as big cats, lol
>>4760544it's me
>>4789141Neither are cougars. It’s pretty dumb
>>4788251Where the fuck did this nigger get a dolphin
>>4789208It's a jaguar world, dolphins are just livin in it
>>4758008Good post anon. Ignore the actual incel who replied to you. Is this dynamic prevalent across all mammals with pack behaviour? I always assumed it was mostly the brute strength of the dominant male that secured mating exclusivity but it seems there is a matriarchal competent as well.
>>4789481Not that anon, but lions are more patriarchal than people realise. If a male lion isnt doing his job properly in the pride, such as not protecting territory and kills, then the lionesses will kick him out. Often quite violently. The size and strength of the male is irrelevant if he's incompetent.
>>4789487More matriarchal* than people realise my bad.
>>4789141Only if you use the definition of big cat as whether or not it can roar (which is retarded) and not the definition of big cat as whether or not it is part of Panthera (which is objectively better)
>>4789487Actually, the fact that the lionesses kick out undesirable males made me realise that it's more matriarchal than I'd previously thought. I didn't know this before and now I'm curious if other mammals exhibit similar dynamics.
>>4789491Almost certainly. But I guess it doesn't happen very often because if a male is incompetent that usually means he loses his females pretty quickly, so they don't have time to kick his ass.
>>4788196>not a single possible prey it couldnt take down even if it's a healthy, full size adultExcept for things like adult black caimans, American crocodiles, etc>biteforce 50% stronger than tigers, more than twice as strong as lions, three times as strong as cheetahs and 5 times as strong as leopardsThis is false. Both lions and tigers have stronger bite forces overall, the jaguar’s is only stronger relative to its body size. Also leopards have a stronger bite than cheetahs>although described as nocturnal, the jaguar is more specifically crepuscular, so peak activity around dawn and dusk, the most dangerous time of day, when all animals are awake and the jaguar has no need to take cheap shots at sleeping foesThis is true of most catsJaguars are certainly cool and impressive animals, but they’re not objectively better than the other big cats
>>4789208rare amazon river dolphin, hence pinkjaguars are absolute kings, man, that anon is right
>>4789490and what are the criteria of a cat belonging to panthera? surely way more objective than sheer size and ability to roar. big cats are called big cats because they are big ass fucking cats. if a cat isnt more or less as big as a human, it isnt a big cat>>4789497>pic shows young jaguarokay bro, let's go with /pol/ tier argumentation again>adult black caimans, American crocodilesit's rare but it happens as witnessed here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38qH3-fj988apparently it's a 20min fight, dunno, dont have netflix>adult black caimans, American crocodilesamerican? breh, there have been reports of jaguars even hunting for and killing orinoco crocodiles. dont have a video of it happening handy, but i also havent found the opposite.>biteforcei found the same stats as anonhttps://mentalbomb.com/jaguar-facts/and i found it seconded evenhttps://thefactfile.org/jaguar-facts/1500psi>objectivitythey arent as long as tigers or orange and they arent as fat as lions or have manes, fair. personally, i go for achievements. growing a mane, being big, orange or fat isnt an achievement. having the entire ecosystem under your thumb is, sth neither the lion nor the tiger can boast with. there are only very few animals that can touch this like the comodo dragon, ice bears, some specific species of crocodiles and orcas (no, the great white cant do shit to giant whales and is actually below the orca in the food chain). maybe you could further add sperm whales and giant squid to this list, but all of this just further adds to the fact how much jaguars punch above their weight class. they have much larger habitats than comodo dragons, they have a much more varied diet than ice bears and they can actually both catch flying prey and prey that is tiny.and eventhough i think the latter "stats" anon posted were gay, it still adds to the legendary status of the jaguar. everybody in the west knows of the lion's importance in folklore, in mesoamerica that's the jaguar
>>4789539>and what are the criteria of a cat belonging to pantheraPanthera is a genus anon, any species in Panthera would be a big cat under that definition>it's rare but it happens as witnessed hereThat is a spectacled caiman. Black caimans grow to nearly ten times that size>breh, there have been reports of jaguars even hunting for and killing orinoco crocodilesCertainly not large adults. American crocodiles are also larger than Orinoco crocs. Records of Orinocos weighing nearly a tonne are unsubstantiated and few and far between, but American crocodiles approach those sizes much more regularly>i found the same stats as anonNever use bite force stats from literallywho pages like that, they will nearly always be inaccurate. Here’s a study where an 83 kg Jaguar had a bite force of 1014 N, while a 186 kg tiger had a bite force of 1525 N and a 294 kg lion had a bite force of 1768 Nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1564077/>having the entire ecosystem under your thumb is, sth neither the lion nor the tiger can boast withNeither can jaguars really. Ignoring the largest crocodilians, they will nearly always attempt to avoid giant river otters both on land and in water
>>4789141There is no one size fits all definition of "big cat". Ounces are the seventh-largest feline and in the genus Panthera. You don't get much bigger than that.
>>4789648>There is no one size fits all definition of "big cat"Yes there is.Jaguar, lion, leopard, tiger = big catsThe rest are small cats which sometimes get big.Anything else is sermo plebeius, like calling spiders bugs and refusing to acknowledge that birds are dinosaursBig cats are murder machines inimical to human life.Small cats can be tamed, and even selectively bred until they are born tame and retarded (very easily, i might add, it often takes a single mutation to make them retarded, and they are already a bit retarded)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH4xDsDs6KE
>>4789652There are an overwhelming number of tamed lions, leopards, tigers, and yes, even jaguars. Luna is literally a leopard and is just as tame as Messi is. If you want to use the "big cats can't be tamed" argument, you'd have to concede that snow leopards are in fact big cats, because there's no one who has successfully tamed one out there. Snow leopards have the same facial structure as other members of Panthera, and if you can't notice that you're just blind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHQFKmN26fs
>>4789539>ITZZZZ DAAA POOOOLLLget a new insult
>>4789774>get a new insultget better data(better doesnt mean more cherrypicked but more objective)
>>4789652Good job finding a tree without snow leopards on it, but for the ones that do, they're right next to tigersDisingenuous cunt
>>4789808Not the person you’re arguing with schizo there’s more than person in the thread
>>4789652>Small cats can be tamed, and even selectively bred until they are born tame and retardedYou can theoretically do this with any animal given enough time. Lions and tigers can be tamed just as easily as a mountain lion. Snow leopards are a tiger’s closest relative, they’re big cats>>4789808You can’t tell someone to get better data when you’ve posted exactly 0 data
