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previous: >>4853541 (lost in the great purge)

This thread is dedicated to all animals of the reptilia and amphibia classes. Topics include, but are not limited to: geckos, snakes of all kinds, frogs, salamanders, newts, turtles, tortoises, and much more. Before asking a question, do a search on the internet to see if it has been answered
Classifieds for finding breeders and products:
>morphmarket.com
>kingsnake.com
>faunaclassifieds.com
>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)
>caudata.org
Most forums will have a "for sale" section on them, so look for that, especially if you have a specific herp you want. Craigslist can also be a good source for cheap aquariums, and make sure to check for any reptile expos that occur in your area.

When asking a question, make sure to include these details:
>Type and size of animal
>Enclosure dimensions
>Humidity and temperature
>Type of substrate
>The decor you use
>How often you feed
>The type of food you use
>If your animal is wild caught or captive bred
>How often you handle
>Who you bought the animal from

Other Helpful Resources
www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com
www.joshsfrogs.com
http://www.reptilesmagazine.com
http://www.anapsid.org
http://www.hylid.clara.co.uk/caer.htm
https://www.americanmadeexotics.com/breeding-ball-pythons-article.html
http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatreptileblog/
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First XDDD
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Its so cute that every single time I pull my darkling bowl out for a mold check theres 2 having sex
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I'm interested in getting some African dwarf frogs. What do I need and what do I need to know
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I know /herp/ hates morphfags but what's your favorite type of crestie? I'm trying to decide who to get next. I don't breed and I only have a couple geckos so I don't give a fuck about genetics or rarity I just want a cool little guy.
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Hold on, what happened to the last thread? Why delet?
>>4866002
If you want my honest opinion, just the natural yellow/orange fellas are my favorite, but ones that exaggerate red and orange pigments are cool too.
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>>4866097
mods did a little fucky wucky and wiped the entire catalogs of 19 boards
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>>4865823
What is wrong with salamanders
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>>4865724
I love turtles
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I saw this baby snapping turtle(?) right next to my car, only 6 inches away from a tire. He could fit in the palm of my hand so I put him down by a nearby brook.
I'd never seen a baby turtle before today
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>>4866231
Baby snappers are the best. Unfortunately the raccoons dug up all the eggs in the nest I was watching.
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>>4866332
It's funny because I don't know where the nest could've been, I live in an NJ suburb by 2 busy roads and the only patch of woods in the area is behind the complex's backyard. It was going in the direction of the stream so I'm guessing it wasn't born around there
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Where are you supposed to find vines or anything resembling them? Terrarium/pet channels have infinite access to perfect terrarium plants and I'm too retarded to google anywhere that sells them
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>>4866461
Pothos is the usual go to, insanely common, next to impossible to kill, epiphetic but grows just as well in soil, grows fairly quickly, can be propegated easily from just one cutting, comes in a lot of varieties and colors.
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>>4866468
not as jungly as I'd have liked but they'll work well enough, not like he knows the difference either way.
I saw my little dude is light enough to climb on the dead overextended ends of a bromeliad without breaking them so I wanna deck out his tank with climbing ropes, he'll probably appreciate having leaves somewhere where he actually hangs out too
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>>4866471
>"not as jungly as I'd have liked"
>literally a jungle rainforest plant
b-but they look so normal and regular!
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Are captive bred reptiles domesticated?
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>>4866491
>domesticated
If by domesticated you mean 'tame', no. They may be a bit more docile or less jumpy, but that is the result of acclimatation to be handled more than captive breeding itself. And only some species will exhibit that to any meaningful extent. A captive breed snapping turtle is going to take your fingers off just as quickly as a wild one.
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>>4866491
how do you define "domesticated?" most definitons I can see have "tame" as a synonym (or even part of the definition itself), but I know quite a few people dont consider them the same thing.
Regardless, though, I would have to assume the most accurate answer would be "it depends on the reptile." if you swapped a captive bred nice crocodile baby out with a wild one, would you notice a difference in behavior? probably not. leopard gecko, though? that may be a different story, but then again maybe not, since leopard geckos aren't especially sophisticated animals in the first place, so there's probably not a whole lot of natural-born instincts that would end up getting selected out in the captive breeding process.
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>>4866539
that should be "nile crocodile" by the way. I'm sure some crocs are lovely but I dont think swapping out a particularly nice one would make for a proper experiment.
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Will herps starve themselves rather than eat food they don't like? I'm scared I'm raising a bunch of feeders my gecko just won't touch because they're not as fast as crickets.
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baby box turtle
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>>4866845
cute
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>>4866611
>Will herps starve themselves rather than eat food they don't like?
No but the dispute over this can last a while. What kind of gecko and what kind of insects?
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>>4866936
Gold Dust, raising mealworms and dubias, she's ignored everything that isn't crickets or fruit flies, and she really wants crickets so I can tell she's hungry if she's going for flies.
You're probably going to say I've answered my own question and it'll be fine but the ones she didn't want were around her regular feeding days, she just tanked it and waited for her crickets half a week later.
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>>4867079
>half a week
Yeah herps are gonna outwait that. You need to be willing to go multiple weeks before they'll give in and try something out of desperation. Or just give them what they want.
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>>4867120
I just get nervous 'cause she's so small, if she were like a leo with a tail wider than its body I'd battle of determination it, but tiny days are like the hummingbirds of lizards and she doesn't really put on much weight
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>>4865724
There's tons of these in the container I keep beetles in. What are they?
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https://youtu.be/xxsUQtfQ5Ew?si=nPN-Bm_3wDuf_C8C
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Do I actually have to wait to even glance in my new crestie's direction like everyone online says or should I just give it a day or two to settle and judge its temperament from there for handling or trying to hand/tong feed? Little guy is my first herp but I'm calm and quiet and slightly autistic plus I filled the tank with hidey holes so I feel like the only way I'd properly spook it is by just existing too close before it's ready, but I don't want to cause any stress
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>>4868027
Crested geckos are all retarded and pretty much tame out of the egg so it really won't matter, but yes, in general the best thing you can do after bringing a reptile home is to literally not even acknowledge its existence. Dont look at it when it moves, don't turn around when it makes noise, don't make eye contact, completely ignore it.
But again its a cresty so just dont abuse it and it will be fine. They dont really think.
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>>4868028
Yeah I'm not worried about killing it or giving it ptsd or something, I just want to make it happy and was curious how long of a recharge time they need after being because weeks feels like overkill depending on the animal. I'm a seasoned catfag and they can take days to weeks to adjust too and in my experience it's a case-to-case thing but I haven't made lizard friends before so I wanted to make sure
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>>4865776
based
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I wonder how tree animals determine what's "high up", would they be uncomfortable if there's too consistently thick foliage up to their level because they feel like they're close to the ground? But that wouldn't make sense because they also want to be concealed behind plant cover or in a hide when they're high up
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>>4868167
Judging by behavior of tree herps and squirrels I don't think they have much of a concept of degrees of height. It's more like on-tree or on-ground. Most of these will readily climb as high as they can for no specific reason.
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>>4868172
again we return to my thinking a horizontal tank would be perfectly fine for if not better than a vertical one for arboreals then
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>>4866110
he was born in china and is technically edible
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>>4868167
Most small arboreal animals are light enough that they have a safe terminal velocity. Falling from higher just gives them more time to correctly orient themselves for the landing.
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>>4868195
I will never stop being astonished by how light small arboreals are, a little gecko can just climb fucking anything
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Is there any way to reduce the SNAP of an exo terra lock? It seriously spooks my guy
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>>4867945
Good song
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>>4868629
Not that I have been able to figure out. They do wear over time and eventually get less clicky but that won't be for a while.
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>>4865724

I have a Dumerils boa and I noticed these small mites on her. They are not the typical parasitical mites that are dark colored and pop when squeezed or leave bumps under the snakes skin. These are smaller, Much lighter colored and I noticed they move around a lot more. Should I be worried about them?Snake seems totally fine.
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>>4868677
Please tell me less clicky includes less of the entire terrarium shaking
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>>4867219
Can't really see the detail too well. You probably need a macro lens or a magnifying glass to truly identify it. Based on its movements I could imagine it being a rove beetle or a tiny carabid beetle larvae. Maybe even one of the smaller families of silverfish such as Nicoletiidae.
This list covers all the other weird things it could be. Soil thrip?
https://www.sare.org/publications/farming-with-soil-life/mesofauna-arthropods/
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>>4865724
i love this animal the skank
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>>4866468
My pothos fucking died like the same day I got it.
It had water 2 inches of substrate and light yet it just keeled over.
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>>4868689
If they aren’t bothering her, they are probably soil mites and she’ll be fine. Get some springtails and isopods in her viv and they’ll outcompete the soil mites in the substrate, or at least compete with them enough to keep the population down.
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There are multiple leopard gecko groups on FB filled with overweight 30-45 year old women who get their daily dopamine from disparaging regular leo owners for having less than 40 gallons for their gecko or not having the exactly correct uvb, basking light, substrate and feeders as dictated by a poorly made and informed infographic that gets shared around as gospel. They will religiously regurgitate the same few memorized information points without any semblance of source or justification other than these being the 'up to date husbandry practices'. They use the term 'outdated' for any practice that even slightly deviates from the ones presented in their infographics. They will regurgitate specific learned terms and phrases in such an obviously mindless way that the shill bots on /pol/ seem intelligent in comparison. Presenting any evidence that counters their drivel will only be met by more mindless regurgitation until inevitably b& by the admin who also happens to be an overweight 30-45 year old woman. I suspect these simple automations endowed with generous amounts of pasty misshapen flesh are heavily influenced by a specific youtube channel called 'Leopard gecko' owned by a 30-45 year old overweight british woman who perfectly represents all of the above.

I realize I typed all this like a butthurt faggot, but anyone who has come across this phenomenon would appreciate how strange it is.
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What is the best beardie sized lizard that's not a beardie?
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>>4868861
Arent chuckwalla and uromastyx basically just alternate skins for bearded dragon
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>>4868859
>30 year old women
>get their daily dopamine from disparaging regular leo owners for having less than 40 gallons for their gecko or not having the exactly correct uvb, basking light, substrate and feeders
Sounds inconceivably based
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Do tongs still establish that I'm the one that brings you food, just only when I have these?
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>>4868924
yes. they understand the whole process of you appearing, the tank being opened, food being offered etc is related to your presence.
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>>4868861
Painted agama.
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Any ideas for simple but effective tortoise enrichment? I have a Russian tortoise that needs some extra love. I already take him outside and give him places to burrow and climb in his indoor enclosure.
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>>4869339
tortoises are little agents of destruction - give him barriers to bulldoze, colorful flowers to eat (they sell dried "food toppers" for reptiles but you could also find food-grade flowers for sale without issue), a mat of sprouts to graze on, that kind of stuff
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>>4869339
they like nudging balls around
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>>4869339
perhaps a skateboard to let him zoom around at higher speed than normal?
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>>4869373
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>>4869374
It's insane how good turtles' coordination are on skateboards. It's like they were supposed to be on wheels.
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Been trying to offer food but I can't believe I was too retarded to remember I'm supposed to let them come to me instead of moving in close to them
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how shitty are the free geckos from that pangea starter kit thing, I'm grabbing another tank for one of my growing babies but wondered if I should get a gecko too for shits and giggles since it's pretty cheap
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>>4868859
You sound like a rackfag.
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>Darklings won't touch cucumbers or carrots
really didn't expect things that can eat plastic as children to be picky
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Do you think herps register things happening on screens? Would the flsahing and movement of things stress them out and/or be like peoplewatching for them?
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>>4869862
Never trust an amphibian
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>African bullfrogs can live up to 40 years old
Holy shit
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>>4869963
I wish they stayed cute
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>>4869964
wdym they're cute af
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Any other absurdly long-lived herps that aren't turtles, balls or leos?
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>>4869967
Many snakes can do 30+. Crocs and friends can usually do 70+
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>>4869981
thanks anon i'll get started on my crocodile tank
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>>4869965
In a pug sorta way, yea.
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Why does no one care about salamanders
Its always reptiles or frogs with an occasional axolotl, which is a fish
not even in this thread but across the whole hobby
I demand justice, representation, care guides, paludariums, but mostly justice
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>>4870024
Good luck anon I believe at you
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>>4870031
Paludariums are roughly 2x the difficulty of bioactive terrariums or aquariums. A lot of salamanders and newts will also go from a terrestrial to aquatic or vice versa over their lifespan, which makes it more complex as well.

Also axolotls are amphibians not fish.
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>>4870035
>Paludariums are roughly 2x the difficulty of bioactive terrariums or aquariums
Doesn't stop frogfags
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Any reptile I can keep outdoors year round in southern ontario? I'm thinking about an eastern box turtle
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>>4870037
frogs don't need cooling during summer. heating tanks is easy, cooling them a pain in the ass
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>>4870040
Doesn't stop chameleofriends
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>>4870041
>>4870037
It kinda does, to both? Most chameleons live a small fraction of their lifespan due to shitty care. Most frogs either are kept over water they never really enter - thus negating the need for all but the simplest aquarium-style maintenance - or with a regularly cleaned small water bowl. Chameleons need room temperature cooling, not "lower two dozen gallons to the high 40s" cooling. An effective aquarium chiller runs a few hundred dollars for the equipment and uses hundreds of watts, which quickly gets very pricey. They're usually loud as shit, too.

Not really sure your point, either way. People do make paludariums, they're just less common and less newbie friendly, resulting in less demand and supply for "care sheet for dummies" type literature, which is usually aimed at brand new hobbyists or produced by relative newbies for pants-on-head simple herps they managed to not kill.
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>>4870038
Local turtles and snakes, but make sure they can bury themselves deep enough to not freeze. And don't expect to see them from mid September to mid April, plus or minus.
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>>4870065
How deep should it be? 2 feet?
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>>4870090
Deeper than the frost line. Which in southern Ontario means 4-5 feet. They have to not freeze, and even whatever you do to insulate will eventually normalize to the ground around it, it may just take a couple extra days.
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>>4870031
chytridiomycosis carpet bombed the salamander trade, both from local populations getting wrekt, and quite a few of the foreign species being listed as injurious wildlife so as to try to prevent mass infections of local species.
>ecfr.gov/current/title-50/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-16/subpart-B/section-16.14
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>>4870134
nyo...
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How easy is it to fuck up going bioactive for a gecko? I'm an amateur
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>>4869967
Move to the south and take the Cyclura pill
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>>4870092
how da fuq a turtle dig 5 feet down man
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>>4870237
I don't really know how it being a gecko changes anything? I have a bioactive setup for my day gecko and it seems to be going alright. The only issue I can think you might run into is not having enough plants rooted in the soil due to trying to furnish the walls with epiphetic plants, but thats easily alleviated by just... not doing that.
Just do your standard bioactive precautions (avoiding toxic plants, making sure you rinse off the roots and leaves to clear off pesticides or parasites, etc) and you should be gucci
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>>4870303
Slowly
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>>4870334
Bro's never seen a turtle dig
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>put new stick in enclosure
>immediately gets added to his perch rotation
So this is what happy parents feel like
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What reptile would you recommend for a neet retard?
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>>4870340
A frog, of course
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Thoughts on keeping animals with their feeders?
Like if I set up a dubia colony in a nice big tank and got them breeding, so a decently sized tropical reptile would be able to hunt for food whenever it wanted like it could outside
I imagine calcium might be an issue if you're not doing your own human feeding sessions
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Kind of surreal seeing an excited lizard just run and jump and touch stuff 'cause you'd think they wouldn't really process having fun as an efficient use of energy.
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>>4870422
You'd be amazed what animals have been observed engaging in play.
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>>4870589
Yeah but everyone knows crocodiles are intelligent
I hope more of them start wearing hats
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>>4870589
Erm actually this is just the crocodile taking the most efficient path to the water, letting itself be propelled without having to expend its own energy.
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>>4870595
Explain why it crawled up the dirt path to do it again a few minutes later, no-fun-kun
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>>4870601
Proof?
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Based on my calculations, Vespucci turned 5 this week.
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>>4870977
frog
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>>4870340
If by neet retard you mean you're poor and can't take care of it then just get a geck or a fish, but if you just mean socially retarded then snek
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Geckos are noble creatures they are NOT for poor retards!
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in the wild do snakes have a permanent home that they return back to, like a hole or a rock
or do they just roam around and day by day look for new places to rest
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My local herp store has a buy 3 42×20×12 get them for $75 each.
I'm debating if it's worth it or not.
Realistically not much can go into them other then ball pythons and similar sized snakes right?
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>>4871080
You can sell them for way more than 75 if they look nice
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>>4871090
That's not what I asked
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>>4871091
And?
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>>4871059
Depends on species, individual, gender, and time of year
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Sizeniggers really out here looming at tanks and thinking "aw man I could only barely stuff a [medium sized animal] into this" instead of "aw man I could make a paradise for a [small to tiny sized animal] with this"
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Today I learned dubias will fight each other over food even if there's a perfectly good piece just a few seconds away
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swear my day gecko has become crepuscular, he always comes out at the very end of the night around when I'm going to turn the lights off after being out in the morning and taking a big sleep through the afternoon
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>>4865724
I have a sulcata tortoise. Have had him for 15 plus years, he was full grown when I got him, so no idea how old he is. I feel like he hates me and is bored in his enclosure. Do any other reptile owners get that vibe from their pets? He currently has a couple hiding spots and plenty of substrate for burrowing. The only think he likes to do is eat, that’s about it. Any ideas for stuff he might like? He’s incel too btw.
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>>4871669
shoe toad
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>>4871728
>>4869339
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>>4871101
>rackfag detected
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>>4869355
I’ve heard this before but I’ve learned that they actually perceive the ball as a threat in their enclosure and the behavior of pushing it around is a stress response, they’re basically trying to battle it or get it out of their territory. People have differing opinions on this, but in my experience as an owner tortoises are solitary creatures that are motivated solely by food and comfort.
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>>4872027
Nigger people say a lizard closing its eyes when you pet it is a "stress response" and that it means its so terrified its giving up and accepting death

Let the turtle nudge the ball
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>>4872027
Fighting the ball gives the tort purpose, and exercise. Seems like a good thing. And eventually it'll figure out it's not a threat, so if it keeps pushing the ball around after a week or two, you can assume it's not stress.

FWIW most zoos I've been to with Sulcata (and I've been to a couple dozen zoos with 'em) have one or two big ol' rubber balls in with the torts. I trust US zoos with decades on tortoises when it comes to husbandry. Worst case, it can't be causing any identifiable harm.
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>>4872027
This would only be correct if the ball was black
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>>4872130
>>4872027
compromise, give him a ball made of woven sticks or something, than way he can destroy it if he wants.
also christ on a cock I am tired of hering "stress" like it was powdered asbestos. a new enclosure is stress. having to go get your food instead of having it dropped into your mouth is stress. LIFE is stress, and most "natural behaviors" are stress responses of some kind or another. Maybe the ball IS seen as an invader, but imagine the dopamine hit the tortoise would receive from defeating that invader.
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>>4872138
>>4872158
They desire combat, they are natural warriors.
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>>4872167
this but unironically
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my fucking BP finally eaten frozen mice
I did it
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so the other day I see a big fuckin' black moth in my sand aquarium. It too big to have gotten in from outside so wtf? at the time I forgot about the one time I had given my skinks hornworms and apparently one of 'em managed to grow up. so I get on the inerwebs to see what to do. glance over at sand aquarium and see picrel. oh nevermind.
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>>4872316
I think moths should be more commonly fed feeders, arboreal herps LOVE them. Too bad their usually mostly fat.
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>>4872393
Be the change you want to see if you wanna deal with raising and transporting flying feeders
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>>4872449
why are they like this
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>>4872490
that doesn't answer the question
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>>4872485
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>>4872499
They're gods perfect creation
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dumping an entire orange and a bunch of cat food into the roach bin
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>Getting warmer
>Hot spot is getting too hot
>Raise lamp very slightly
>Hot spot gets too cold
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>You can get a giant salamander at Walmart in China
Fucking unfair
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>>4865823
Love those fellas
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>>4872506
Isn't that way too many carbs for a frog?
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>just found out that picrel I've been feeding my gecko has expired months ago
How bad is it?
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>>4873724
expiration dates are the "this product is at it's best freshness" date rather than "this is a bomb that will explode after a period of time" date. At the absolute worst some of the vitamins have denatured a bit and have slightly lost their effectiveness, otherwise there's probably zero change, especially for the minerals since they decay at geological time scales.
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Is it bad that I never interact with my gecko beyond giving it food and cleaning its enclosure? I'm 99% sure I'm worrying for nothing but I'm used to mammal pets that suffer without human attention and also I see everyone online picking up and playing with their geckos which makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong.
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>>4873771
Herps usually suffer from human attention, and at best get literally nothing from the interaction except a bit of body heat. Your gecko would prefer you leave it alone.
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>>4873771
Geck doesn't care, the most it gets out of getting played with is entertainment and maybe a little exercise. I like to imagine that mine enjoy my company but I know they don't really care lmao. You should make sure it's used to being handled sometimes though so it doesn't chimp out if it has a health issue and you need to poke around a little
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>>4873771
There's a parabola. If your lizard doesn't come up to you out of curiosity and basically initiate contact itself, it doesn't care and would prefer it if you just didn't exist. You can tame/train it to want to come out and experience the world outside of its tank, but you're going to stress it out before you're at the point where you can offer that enrichment. People will pretend lizards get nothing out of handling because we're supposed to be science brained and not anthropomorphize but it's the same concept as offering a big enclosure and things to do, it's all exploration and enrichment, which we know they "enjoy" in whatever way they can and benefit from.
But again, if your lizard doesn't want to be handled, it doesn't know what it's missing, so as long as its content it'll be content. While enrichment is important, reptiles don't get bored even COMPARABLY close to humans. I'm sure you yourself have seen it just sit in the dark for an entire day because it didn't like the way something moved outside the tank.
And as far as I think personally, as long as it's not screaming for it's life and hurting itself running away, and you take it slow and know what you're doing, the small amounts of stress from taming it down would be "enrichment" in itself. Even if it thinks it's negative, something is at least happening. Suffering is important for brain development, or else nothing would have developed it.

Tldr no it doesn't care, especially if it's a retard species like a crestie
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>>4873642
that's probabry for food anon
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>>4873815
so are lobsters, nothing's stopping you from putting them in a fish tank

>>4873642
Why aren't they drowning?
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>>4873817
Because they don't breathe air, they're not newts, they take oxygen directly from the water
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geckos are so silly
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>>4873872
The fact that they're the most successful branch of the most successful branch of reptiles is fucking wild
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Thoughts on Cave Geckos?
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>>4873912
they aite
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I'm a shitty keeper.
My pygmy chameleons finally unknowingly bred and the first egg she laid was halfway to hatching then then the egg died. I'm 90% sure it got too wet and burst because I kept the soil too wet.
I almost cried when I saw the moldy egg. But now I know not to leave them in situ
>>4872393
I have a small tub for waxworm moths.
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>>4869374
Oh lawd he slidin
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I have two mourning geckos, a small one and a big one. bought the small one in april, it grew good, i dusted all the bugs, no issue so far, one week ago she suddenly looked like pic related, like a broken jaw or some shit. a deformed mouth it seems, but why? there are also thick "cheeks" or some shit if you view the lizard from above. one week ago the jaw even looked worse, but its not gone completely. mouth rot? i dont know. attack by the biger gecko perhaps? or did it just make a unfortunate jump in an attemt to catch a fruit fly and hurt itself?
the animal acts totally normal though, but i dont know if she can eat in this state. i saw her stalking fruitflies but then she ran away because shey extremely shy. Vet is sadly no option because catching her is not possible (big tank, too many nooks and crannies, lizard is to fucking fast)

Do you think she can live with this deformity or is she a goner?
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mmmMMMmmm powdered food
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>>4874018
it'll be fine as long as it can eat and it has its basic needs met. they're tough.
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Why do my dubias refuse to eat oranges? This is the second time now they won't even pick at them despite it being the only food in the box. They're organic and aren't going bad, even if they're not fresh
I even try breaking them in half so they don't have to break through the skin and to let the smell out and they still won't touch them.
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Asking about large monitors:

If you guys were to pick between an Asian Water Monitor or a Crocodile Monitor as a pet, which one would you pick and why?
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>>4874164
Asian water monitors are easier if you have the space, but really require a large and expensive water feature. Croc monitors need less square footage, and don’t need the water feature, but do need a ton of vertical surfaces/climbing opportunity, and really need more vertical space than exists in a standard ceiling height room. They are also more dangerous and harder to tame down if wild caught.

I think that over the life of the lizard, a croc monitor is probably easier and more affordable, but the greater cost of the lizard and the harder “start” of the croc monitor means that a AWM is better and less intimidating choice for most people interested in big monitors.

If it’s going to live in a house with normal height ceilings, a black throat is probably a better choice yet, though, because it won’t require such a giant water feature, just a large (livestock trough sized) water bowl (pic rel, goat for scale)
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>>4874107
Lots of shit won’t eat citrus. Try an apple.
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>>4874183
but
but its dubias
oranges are like their thing
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Is it normal for lizards to just go into skittish and hidy moods for no reason or is it always a sign something's wrong?
My geck was the most active and confident I've ever seen him a week ago, then he suddenly did a full 180 and is hiding away on the opposite side from me, away from the heat all the time and will turn to hide if I look at him too long, and disappear if he even thinks I'm going to open the doors.
The temps and humidity are normal, I'm pretty sure he's not shedding because he kind of always has a dull whitish sheen about him and he's still eating
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>>4874107
they know there's too many pesticides on the oranges
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>>4874254
On the peeled organic oranges?
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>>4874107
My dubias are like that too. In fact they're really weird, they seem to love grains and the bullshit processed cricket feed, but couldn't give less of a shit about fresh fruits and vegetables, barely even nibble on them. I even put in a little dollop of natural peanut butter once and they didn't touch it. Weird bugs. They're still producing though so I guess it's working out.
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I wanna get a bearded dragon so bad bros. I had one that lived to 9 years old he was such a homie. They feel so basic/entry level but have such big personalities it’s hard to pass over them.
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beardies live 20 years you abuser
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>>4874543
Yeah I was in high school, uneducated and poor. I did my best for him though. Pretty much every dollar I made as a bus boy went to him.
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>>4874543
Don't shame him, faggot. Now he has a chance to do better with more knowledge and money. I'm not proud of how I kept my first beardie, either. Being young, stupid, and not understanding responsibility is ubiquitous.
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Is dusting feeder insects with shit like repashi and calcium dust actually essential? My leopard gecko won't any insects that have been dusted. Little bro just spits them right back out in disgust.
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>>4874726
Yes, for the most part. Supplement dusts compensate for the fact that you're usually only feeding one or two feeder species where in the wild the animal would get a much more varied diet. I think you can probably do less dusting if you're gutloading with calcium rich shit, but I'm not an expert.
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about how much /should/ a crested weigh at 1 year old if you feed it a regular amount and let it grow normally? youtube faggots all say 30-50 grams but they're the same people posting "HOW TO GROW YOUR GECKO QUICK!" videos telling you how to fatten the things up and speedrun sexual maturity so I don't trust them. I don't care about size and I don't plan on breeding it, it's just a pet (about 8 months old right now) so it doesn't matter to me how fast it grows, but I want it to be healthy. haven't actually weighed mine in a little while but I'm currently giving it normal pangea food every other day and a thicc cricket or roach a little smaller than its head once or twice a week and it seems happy and has plenty of energy, but I'm just curious because every source says to feed every day
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>>4874899
about tree fiddy
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>>4874899
Dont worry about mass and trying to keep it in a specific number range and just monitor body condition.
As long as it isnt clearly visibly obese or consistently losing weight, youre fine.
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>>4875022
of COURSE its a hag
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>>4875022
At least he lives in a planted terrarium... I guess.
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>>4875029
according to the captioon from where I snagged that, she's a rescue (female cresties are apparently more at risk for obesity?) and said hag is working on getting her fit again.
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>>4875022
alright thanks, I'll just keep at it. last I weighed it it was less than 6g and I doubt it's all that much more by now, nothing seems wrong but it's just so much smaller than the internet says that I wanted to make sure
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>>4875249
low and slow growth is healthier for them in the long run anyway, dont worry about it overmuch.
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>>4874533
the most popular reptiles tend to be the most popular for a reason. dont let hipsters shame you into pursuing 'unique' animals.

the only bad thing with beardies is the genestock outside of australia is getting increasingly grim, they're starting to look more and more SLAMMED.
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>>4875437
>the most popular reptiles tend to be the most popular for a reason
A massive industry built on overbreeding and wildcatching, years of pet store marketing campaigns, piles and piles of misinformation, and everyone on the internet constantly chanting "reptiles are really hard to keep alive you should get a beginner friendly animal"?
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caught mid-yawn
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>>4875836
>when your owner gets a new game for their Nintendo Switch
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>>4875587
bearded dragons are popular and green iguanas aren't for less cynical reasons than you've listed
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>>4874164
Asian water monitors have much more placid personalities and less dangerous equipment than croc monitors. Both need a shitload of room and ideally you live in south Florida to keep them outside.
Croc monitors are almost never captive bred and most come in with all sorts of parasites and maladies.
Asian water monitors REQUIRE a very large water feature that they will shit in regularly. I'd argue croc monitors need this too, they love to swim when water's available.
Some research has come out recently that vertical basking space is extremely beneficial to croc monitors and that's kind of a pain in the ass to provide if you have to keep them indoors.

It's not even a contest between the two but if you're even asking this I'd ultimately recommend getting neither.
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Soldier flies are fucking enormous wtf
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Despite them somehow not even being visible, crocodile monitors have the largest teeth of any lizard, on top of being one of the largest monitors, and being a monitor.
Absurdly dangerous animal. Large monitors are like, falconer level of dedication and money to give them proper husbandry. You shouldn't even think about getting one if you're asking questions to someone who isn't your mentor.
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Reptileniggers, I've been thinking of hard-resetting my tank since it's getting pretty filthy.
Picrel is a two or three-lined salamander that I found and kept from a local creek for just about a year now. Surprisingly the little guy's been doing fine completely submerged the entire time. He's come a long, long way since September 2023.

That said, I've had a bare-bottom setup the whole 2 years I had this 10 gall and want to try something new/different.
Thoughts on using river/creek sand as a substrate? Would it affect my salamander nigga in any particular way?
The guy's originally from an area with running water and a sandy bottom, but that was back when he was practically a hatchling with external gills and all.
I'm still going to keep the little guy submerged since it's primarily an aquarium and he seems okay with it. Would the sand affect the filter in any capacity? I have a pre-filter sponge on the intake as well since he's cohabiting the tank with cherry shrimp.
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>>4874164
Asian Water Monitor, no question. If I had the space for an aquatic setup though, I’d probably go for a caiman lizard.
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>>4875988
I'm not too familiar with the effects of that kind of substrate on that kind of filter, I use a sponge filter for my aquarium. But if you take real pond muck or plants from a creek, you run a pretty high risk of introducing parasites and other pathogens that could hurt the salamander. I reccomend you just take a look at the pond muck and then emulate it using a mixture of various aquarium substrates and soils.
I also highly reccomend you get some plants and put them in if you want to use substrate like that, they are dusty and tend to fog up your water, plants help keep it clear, once again don't use plants from outside, parasites etc.
But to answer the other part of your question: he'd probably really enjoy some kind of substrate, he may dig through it looking for worms and such or dig under rocks to make burrows, it'd be good enrichment.
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I’m making a small exhibit for my business and can’t decide between Mourning Geckos or 5-lined skinks
Which one would you guys recommend?
>inb4 “if you’re asking this then neither”
Reddit tier logic is retarded and you are retarded, like this faggot: >>4875876
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>>4874182
>>4876008
Appreciate the feedback, I’ll probably stick with an AWM
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>>4876298
>like this faggot: >>4875876 #
That guys right tho
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>>4876298
I think Mourning Geckos will be more visible if that’s what you want. But 5 lined skinks are based and you should do a colony of them if you don’t care about randos in your office being able to spot lizards during the day.
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>>4876298
Five lined skinks in the enclosure and mourning geckos free roaming.
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>>4876312
Downvoted
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>>4876298
get the skinks they're based
>>4876314
>Mourning Geckos will be more visible
>nocturnal and does nothing all day
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>>4876314
>>4876316
I was planning on establishing a colony so kids could look at it and ask questions, it’d be more of a display thing
Sounds like the skinks are escape artists?
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>>4876327
That’s a great point actually
What else should I know? I watched a bunch of vids on YouTube and have a good idea but I’ve never owned them
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I saw a bearded dragon and crested gecko at petsmart. They were cool.
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>>4876329
You'd want something diurnal and very confident so kids running up and screaming and banging on glass wouldn't stress them to death
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How dilligent are you guys with stripping bark from wood you find outside?
I found an incredible piece of wood for a hide outside, but it's covered in little mushrooms that are a combination of too hard and spongy for me to remove without stripping all the bark off, but that would make it look boring and be a more boring texture to climb around on.
I know bark also harbors insects underneath but thats what dowsing it with hot water is for, right?
Actually now that I think about it it is small enough to go in my oven, should I cook it? I kinda want the moss to stay on it though.
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>>4876390
Depends, most stuff I just inspect and yeet into the enclosure. Oh no, some beetles for him to chase or fresh blood for the isopods, whatever shall I do?

But be more careful with amphibians.
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>>4876388
Alright, appreciate it!
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>>4876403
Anon then proceeds to search for confident diurnal reptiles and only find 70,000 ads and reccomendations for bearded dragons
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>>4876359
okay
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>>4874018
Do they have a UVB light? If not, are you dusting both calcium and vitamin D3? Asking because it could also be metabolic bone disease, which in the face manifests itself as a flappy lower jaw, which will render them unable to eat eventually. I've seen it quite a few times in house geckos and wall geckos in captivity that didn't have access to UVB, possibly because people claim nocturnal species don't need it, but in fact they do.

It could also be it's not thriving because of territorial behaviour from its tank mate, and the size disparity causing it to get the short end of the stick every time and then losing out on meals (or basking opportunities if you do have UVB).
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A further question on hides, the geck seemingly has a new favorite spot where he likes to sit most of the day after he gets his warmies. He's not basking because it's too far from the light. It's also pretty much exactly where I was going to put the new hide. Should I put it there because he already likes the temperature so he can feel even more comfortable underneath something? or would this ruin the spot for him because he likes it how it is? It's already mostly hidden from me when I'm in my usual spot, but it's pretty open from every other angle, so I don't think he's hiding. I THINK he might be napping there but I obviously can't tell.
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>>4865724
I just got home from a walk at dusk when it was reasonably dark. I saw a frog jump in front of a car's front headlights. I was able to find it afterward alive, and it hopped out of my sight in the dark. Seconds later, a car came from the other direction and I got out of the way. I found the frog dead afterwards...

I let a frog die. )':
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>>4876300
I wouldn’t get any big monitor if I were you. The setup for an adult water monitor is insanely big and expensive
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>>4876298
>Reddit tier logic is retarded and you are retarded, like this faggot: >>4875876
There’s a difference between a mourning gecko and a croc monitor you lobotomite. Nobody gives a fuck which tiny harmless lizard you get
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>>4872506
>filename
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How do you guys let your lizards out of their enclosures? I have a Skink that loves to explore but it's a pain in the ass since he starts getting pissy and snappy when he gets focused and I don't want to risk him getting hurt. Is there like a lizard equivalent of a hamster ball I can use
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>feeding time
>HUH?
>extremely excited
>charging at tongs like a haitian at Garfield
>oh it's a mealworm
>fuck you, not intersted
Nigga, you ate all the morio, eat your smallworm and stop bitching bitch niggaa
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>one soldier fly
>oh cool, he'll probably eat it
>now there's 3 soldier flies
>he's not going for any of them
Uh
Bros
Am I gonna have a problem
I let a lot of larvae loose in there...
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>>4877042
Is there like a lizard equivalent of a hamster ball I can use
Have you tried a hamster ball
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>>4877153
Bzzz
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Just fed my sand boa a quail chick. Honestly didn't realize how little meat is on these things until I thawed one out. Definitely going to need to feed her an actual mouse again next week
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wtf, people online suggest you can keep a male hogger in a 10 for his whole life
I have a male in a 30 and he's outgrowing it
he has /enough/ space but it's more cramped than I'm comfortable with

not sure why animal abusers are the loudest voices
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>>4877609
they don't buzz, but they slam into the roof very loudly
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>>4877745
All 20 gallon aquariums should be destroyed
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>>4877747
B-but what will I keep my rasboras and shrimp in?
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>>4877747
But what will I keep 2 bearded dragons in?
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>>4877747
But what will I keep my green iguana in?
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>leaping and sticking onto the unlocked door doesn't even move it
god they weigh NOTHING
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Should I put broken turkey bones in for the roaches or make broth
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Just give them one and make broth with the rest. You can do both.
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How do you hand/tong feed crickets?
I usually just grab their whole body or flick them from the crate but these things are so fragile it's hard to fathom how they survive
Their back legs snap off stupidly easily, like they just have to thrash against your finger a bit and they pop off like a toy
I bought tweezers to use because I'm not spending 20 dollars on specialized reptile feeding tongs that you need to use or you're a bad owner so pay a 2000% mark up tm and they're literally scissors, they just cut through their legs like nothing
If I hold them by the abdomen then they can't thrash around and activate the feeding response
I can't move it around myself because I'm trying to feed to get him less scared of me
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>>4878595
>I bought tweezers to use because I'm not spending 20 dollars on specialized reptile feeding tongs that you need to use or you're a bad owner
I mean, the reason you'd get them is because they're long. Are the tweezers long? You may get a better response if your actual hand is farther away from them. Also the rubber tips help prevent the herp from potentially hurting their jaws if they slam against it too enthusiastically.
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Thoughts on leaving the tank door open a bit for hours at a time so the lizard learns he's not going to die whenever he sees the door move?
His security spots are all in the back so I have very little fear of him escaping.
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>>4878703
That's pretty much the best possible way to lose (and also lethally endanger) your animal. Having the door open and then just nothing happening is fine, but shorter time periods more often during the day are safer and better for conditioning than just leaving it open.
remember, the thing you're trying to drill into it's head is "this thing that happens isnt dangerous," so the more instances of "the door opened and I didnt die or get attacked" that occur, the more quickly that will happen.
five or six times a day, a few minutes at a time, and always supervised.
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>>4876298
you're retarded if you can't tell the difference between "hey guise should I ged a tiger shark or a nurse shark :)?" and "should I get guppies or mollies"
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Sorry for the less-than-stellar picture, but what is going on with the top of his shell? Is he missing a scute? I didn't think it would be so green? I don't think it's a leaf, but the gross brown shit might be.
Just some random turtle I found walking across a traffic bridge, getting spooked by the cars
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>>4878899
Oh, nevermind, it seems like it might just be a shell molting thing. Anyways, enjoy the turtle picture.
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>>4878904
It's a quality turtle, anon.
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I wanna buy him but can't afford to spend a grand on him.
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It's fine to use white pine to make a stand, right?
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If herps primarily evolved in the warm climate of the third world, why is herpetoculture exclusively a hobby of the white man?
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>>4879358
Because it's a patrician hobby, which is also the sole domain of the white man
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>>4879359
Based
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What would /herp/ do with a heated greenhouse?
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>>4879419
a pair of basilisks
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here anon, this is for you
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>>4879352
It's had all of its VOCs quite literally baked out of it in a kiln, its fine. The danger with coniferous woods and reptiles is more for the mulch, where all of the harsh shit is specifically kept in to use as insect repellant, and even then its more because the animal is kept in a box with crappy airflow and spends most of its time with a ton of it an inch away from its face. Im pretty sure anything would get lung problems in those circumstances, people included.
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>>4879466
When this guy revealed his face I was flabbergasted that his entire comment section wasn't eating alive for how hideously ugly he was, like he was genuinely distressing to look at with the sunken in cross eyes, giant nose and skeleton eye circles
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>>4879493
You have a fucked definition of hideously ugly. You sound like you're unpleasant to be around.
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Bros I have a branch that's just slightly too big for the tank and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to break a small piece off without snapping it in half and getting rid of the curve which is the reason I want it
I am literally going around trying to find rocks heavy enough to wedge it under to try to break the end off but the stick is too fucking strong and just starts either digging into the ground or lifting the rock
No I don't have a saw
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>>4879501
Use a knife to whittle a thin spot where you want it to break
Or just go buy a saw, every self respecting adult should own a basic set of hand tools specifically because of pathetic shit like "help guys I can't break this stick"
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>>4879493
Good thing he builds things and isn’t a supermodel then you fucken space cadet
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>>4879470
Makes sense, figured it was probably okay, but the little goblin in my brain started to panic when I smelled pine as I was bringing it inside.
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>>4879419
Fully bioactive tree monitor enclosure. Complete with trees.
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>>4879493
He is unironically more handsome than the majority of Americans, man. At the very worst he just looks "normal". What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>4879501
Just buy a fucking saw. It doesnt even have to be a good one, you can get a shitty hack saw for like 10 bucks and a regular hand saw for 15.
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GoHerping bros?
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>>4879501
If you don't have a saw you probably don't have one of these either, and this reply is late anyway, but might come in handy for any future projects.
>in b4 anon has been dead for over 16 hours because his branch got launched upwards into his face and cracked his skull open, and as such there won't be any future projects
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Just extracted my male bearded dragon’s femoral pores for the first time and i feel pretty proud.
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>>4879799
Wtf I love go herping now
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>>4879466
idc what he looks like what the fuck is going on in his brain? something isn't right with that dude.
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>>4879799
>posts drama from other websites
>cares about people on other websites
>doesn't repost /an/ content ad nauseum or make his own OC
ISHIGGYDIGGYI24
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>>4879889
????
He's a kind and gentle soul, what is wrong with you
t. the guy who called him ugly
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>>4879419
Cheap wild caught lizard battle royale.
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Will newborn dubia babies be able to climb up onto a plate or a plastic lid?
As its getting warmer their food is like, melting and fusing to the paper towel I put on the bottom, I dont want them eating paper towel
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>>4880000
Yes if it’s shorter than they are. Also checked
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theres a ball python in the house now. what exactly is the risk of salmonella? or any other disease for that matter. i find it hard to believe the owner will be on top of cleaning the poop as much as they should
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>>4880186
I have owned herps for more than 15 years and have never once gotten ill from it.
The risk is virtually 0, probably literally 0 if you aren't going to be making contact with the animal.
Basically, unless the person caring for it is actively taking the snakes shit and rubbing it all over everything in the house, you'll be fine.
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>>4880232
And if they are?
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>>4880027
What the fuck kind of plate is going to be shorter than a newborn cockroach why the hell do you think i asked
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>>4879799
>why doesn't this perpetually sarcastic person that I've never witnessed showing more emotion than a dead body hysterically blow up in the face of social injustice?!

Does he keep any animals at all nowadays? Haven't watched him in a good two years.
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>>4880271
None besides his cat and he has stated on record emerald scales was nothing more than a business and he hasn't cared about reptiles since he was a literal child
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>>4880186
>>4880253
Risk of salmonella from reptiles is greatly overstated. Little timmy gets a pet turtle, puts it in too small a fish tank with too small a filter, so its marinating in a stew of its own piss and shit. Then timmy takes the turtle out to play and then doesnt wash his hands before dinner because kids are retarded dirtballs.
If you're even maginally more hygenic than an 8 year old boy you're safe.
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I flick my gecko's poop off the glass into the soil by hand, don't wash and I've never gotten salmonella
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>>4880253
Then I think salmonella may be the least of your worries, you're harboring a goblin.
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Why is my pixie frog acting afraid of me? He used to go crazy when It was feeding time but now when I open his enclosure to feed him he freaks out and runs into his hide.
I used to just put the cricket in there and he'd devour it without question but now I have to poke his face with it for him to eat it.
It is just him on his shedding period or something?
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Do you guys think my salamander would rather live life free in the wild or being submerged in my tank with and doing nothing chilling with by himself or with shrimp all day only to get fed an earthworm once every week?
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>>4880494
freedom for life is also the freedom to die, im not really sure how to mentally stimulate a salamander, because im not going to be the mengele for salamanders, and aside from just looking for food or just chill im not really sure what else a salamander does in the wild, if you want to simulate a predator, you can just poke it a stick i guess. i suppose you could rearrange the tank when you clean it so its kind of a new locale
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>>4880494
Your salamander doesnt understand those concepts, but if it could, it would pick what is important to it - security and regularly accessible food.
The idea of some freedom and nobility in the wild is an invention by humanity pulling a "grass is greener" on civilization. Nature fucking sucks. If you're lucky you die delirious and in pain from an infection. If you're unlucky you're torn apart by a predator while alive and screaming in agony.
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>WAAAAH MY TEENAGE TEGU WHO IS SPEND BARLEY ANY TIME WITH BECAUSE I'M A HOARDER IS LE HECKIN MEAN WAAAH I NEED TO REHOME IT
jfc he's so stupid, I don't have a Tegu and even I know they have a puberty period where they turn into complete psychos that want to kill everything.
He has to have done little to no research out of watching Clint Reptiles shit videos on Tegus to think they'd just be instantly tamed.
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>>4880525
Considering he does hoarder math for his enclosures I dont doubt that its in way too small a space for it, too, though frankly youre a sucker for devoting any of your limited time, attention, and energy to the faggot in the first place, even if its just a hatewatch.
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>>4880494
the man born in the cave has no concept of anything outside the cave
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>>4880497
don't forget this is in addition to literally every single wild animal in existence being filled with parasites inside and outside extracting half their nutrients among whatever else they're doing
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>>4880817
Oy vey
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TIL you can't spoiler images on /an/
>doing my usual tank searching
>see this
I feel so bad for this creature I feel physically ill
It's supposedly 5 years old and this size, looking like this
Look at its fucking eyes, there's still so much life in this gentle animal
I feel like I need to save it but I dont have the resources to completely revamp its tank, it's a fucking water dragon, I was literally looking at paludariums an hour earlier and deciding they were too difficult to build
Not to mention the vet bills it would probably need
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>>4880525
this guy is a literal 'jak, how can anyone take him seriously. the 'jak phenotype has been a disaster for the human race
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>>4880525
Youtube's algo adores this guy. I watched a few of his videos and now he never leaves my reccomendeds.
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Are there any good reptile podcasts?
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I went to a pond the other day and stopped to watch a painted turtle just floating and we just kinda watched each other for several minutes. I saw watching the bubbles come up from the other animals. Bunch of big frogs around. Then I saw some bubbles from behind the turtle and could see a dark silloette from water come up from behind. It was a second painted turtle, who poked the first one on the back, and they both bolted. Few seconds later I saw a frog swim up to the exact same place, but it was moving really strangely, dove down after reaching the spot where the first turtle had been hanging out. Quickly realized that it wasn't a frog-- it was the head of a snapper.

I didn't have a point with this story. I just think turtles are cool.
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>>4880962
2 and a half seconds is all it took for turtles to never be taken seriously ever again
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>>4880918
he has dominated the algorithm ever since the internet sperged out about his dumb leo cohab video, controversy breeds engagement or whatever
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UGHHHH I FUCKING HATE THESE DAMN GNATS
It doesn't matter how many times I change substrates or put up traps I swear to god I kill like 20 a day.
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>>4881072
Make sure your clean up crew is doing well. I'm pretty sure they eat gnat eggs, I haven't seen any of those bastards in a while.
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My gecko is so fucking retarded it puts the dumbest smile on my face
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>>4880525
I don't understand hoarded mentality.
I get that if you get some snake or gecko that sleeps/hides all day, you might get bored but why not get something active instead and interact with that all day?
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>>4881123
There's nothing wrong with having alot of animals, my issue with him is that he never stops buying more, it's like every week has a new one.
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>>4881123
So I shouldn't feel bad about wanting to get a second reptile only a few months after the first because he hides all the time?
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>>4881123
depends on who you're talking about.
>pettubers
farming content and engagement - if you're not constantly getting new animals and setting up new animals, and if you're a neglectful piece of shit like tyler nolan mourning the animals who are constantly dying on them, your channel will quickly become you feeding and maintaining the same handful of animals, and all of your videos will basically be exactly the same.
>standard pet owner hoarder
chasing the "new pet" dopamine surge.
>brainrotted retards like hoarderanon
combination of the above dopamine chasing and being influenced by pettubers into thinking having a "reptile room" is a something to aspire to, and if there's a blank space along the wall it should have an enclosure and animal in it.
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