Which otters do you like?
I don't like otters, they're menaces like all mustelids.
>>4875401Sea otters, the ones that don't eat other otters.
River wolves
>>4875401bastard creatures
>>4875401North American river ottersI came across one leaning against a tree, peeing like a drunk in the bathroom of a bar.
>>4875401Not that otter, the OTTER one!
>>4875769your joke's otterly embarrassing.
>>4875686>the ones that don't eat other ottersnever heard of otters doing this
>>4875401Everyone besides the giant otter, they are ugly.
>>4875401All of them i love them all
>>4875778it happens, but don't take it too seriously. they are animals after all, and infant cannibalism is strangely common in mammals. strangely common as in weird it happens at all, with maternal instinct and all.
All other otters are cute, but the giant otter is beautiful.
>>4875671Leftist scientists: Fuck races, speciesism is le bad.>>4875401I would all.
>>4875401total otter love
>>4875401Everyone knows sea otters are the best
>>4875785don't call them that
>>4877781Gorgeous
>>4875401>https://nypost.com/2021/12/10/man-attacked-by-gang-of-otters-i-thought-i-was-going-to-die/>Jogger runs through pack of Otters crossing a path in a Botanic Gardens>Enraged Otters attack and swam a random elderly man taking a stroll instead of the jogger Whichever ones aren't these little dumb assholes
>>4878170Those are the singapore otters and they are awesome
>>4875401All the ones I otter
>>4878170I believe those are smooth-coated otters. They look a lot like small-clawed otters, but they're slightly bigger and slightly uglier, especially the pups
>>4878199Why do even asian animals look asian?
you're in the club and this guy comes up and slaps your gf's ass what do you do
>>4878199blep
>>4875750>my favorite animal is The Rape one, yes, how could you tell?
>>4875778Eating and raping other otters is how they play, they're horrible creatures and you need to reevaluate some things in your life.
>rapingwhatever>eating other ottersthis never happens
>>4878239Yes but I've heard otter semen taste gross like rotten fish.
>>4878216They give off hairy anaconda vibes.
>>4878239
guess which one's a smooth-coated otter
>>4878847bottom one
>>4875671>being this mind broken on an animal board Grim. I look forward to your little tantrum of a response.
>>4877225You notice how they're all otters though right?
>>4875401>marine otter>sea otterShouldn't these be the same thing? Marine means sea.
>>4879290Different parts of the world. Sea otters live on the northern hemisphere while marine otters are along the coast of Chile.Sea otters also mostly spend their time in the water, marine otters spend their time on land.
I hope I can see otters at the river one day, I only get to see footprints and their shit markings
>>4879150he's right
>>4879725>marine otters spend their time on landThen shouldn't they be called terrestrial otters?
>>4879732I've seen them up in the mountains around Mt. St. Helens before. There's some ponds up there they swam around in.
Otters are based
Can you name the species of this here ott?
>>4879790congo clawless?
>>4879009>>4879794correct
>>4878204too much time spent doing math
Otter is Loutre in french. They are amazing I love them. They are ruthless creatures though. And Lutra Lutra is such a pretty name.
It's sea otter awareness week, I hope you're aware of sea otters
>>4882262I think I have heard of them before, possibly
>>4882334oooh you are sooooo awareee
>>4875401Sea otters, duh.>Most biologically differentiated from other otter species>Only animal besides humans that holds hands>Only mustelid species and one of the few non-human animals that DOESN'T stink>Everyone who works with sea otters says they have distinctive personalities>One of the few animals besides humans to use tools>Keystone species, plays a crucial ecological role>Their presence makes seagrass healthier, which creates a buffer against coastal flooding>Brings in lots of money for their localities through tourism>Has the same bite force as a black bear, but has never been recorded killing a human (all the "otter attacks" on humans that Google shows are perpetrated by other otter species)>Rarely if ever come on land, so you will never even be attacked by one unless you get too close to them in the water and provoke them>All their occasional "bad" behavior is common in the animal kingdom and not unique to them>The cutest teddy bear facesDon't listen to any plebe who tells you sea otters aren't God-tier animals.
>>4875401Guh
otters will inherit the earth
Die Kreuzotter.
>>4875401This one's cute, can't tell the species though.
>>4875774>>4875778you guys otter be banned for your stupid punsalso, i love river otters, i see them around here
>>4884275https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XfcUUxJ38A
>>4884794I love sea otters
sea otters are okay
>>4884794Boop
>>4884794>>4887849Sea otters are so cute
>>4884275>>4884794Once they grow large enough, they are unstoppable:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01iWx4476pY
>>4875401The kind that will eat your infant child after trying to rape its mother you sick fuck.
>>4887849This is not real. This is a stuffed animal they sell in stores.
>>4875677Are orangutan the whites of the ape world? I'm sure /an/ has decided, I just haven't browsed enough to learn.
>>4887849>>4888477They really are this cute. There's a reason the Japanese recognize them as the ultimate kawaii animal.
>>4888478Orangutans probably have the highest percentage of rapes of any animal. Rape is normal behavior for orangutans. They're even worse than chimps. The actress Julia Robert was almost raped by an orangutan.
>>4878216Weird, its forelegs look scaly.
>>4879725Sea otters used to spend more time on land before hunting drove them offshore.
>>4888484Dude, you can even see the seam across its nose.
>>4888514That's just a watermark. This time it appears as a necklace.
>>4888484>>4888517MAY-CHAN!!!
this guy comes up to you and paws your leg wyd???
>>4888766Hold his hand.
What does a shaved otter look like? Has anyone ever seen one?
>>4883953Yeah but they rape THOUGH
>>4888766Boop him on the nose!
>>4889101>>4888976>>4888517>>4888484>>4887849
Why do otters have this irresistible allure?
>>4890732They're God's favorite creatures
>>4875671LMAO
>>4875671way to ruin a thread you piece of shit
>>4890732Curiosity, use of tools, their hands, and squeaking.
>>4891337it's true tho
>>4875671seething /pol/troon tourist doesn't understand what a species is. more at 11.
>>4891535>humans are magical creatures exempt from naturewow amazing youre a genius may i suck your "dick" for you?
>>4891902>may i suck your dick for you?sure can. it's quite large but i know you have experience with this kinda thing.
>>4875671>>4877225Tbf tiger and wolf subspecies are a much closer equivalent.>>4879150>>4891337Extinct yourself, faggots.>>4891535inb4: >socialist grade school socialist teacher definition about fertile hybridsAlso kill yourself, pinko.
>>4875401Like them all almost equally except sea otters. They look fat, lazy and hairy just like all the dirty lefty hippies ITT.Lean towards my favourites being African clawless and spotted necked due to childhood encyclopedia nostalgia.
>>4875671Humans are retarded as a rule, not the exception, never forget it.
hey guys are we still talking about otters
maybe.
>>4892429But sea otters are the smartest otters and are the only ones that use tools with any regularity
>>4892513I don't know if "banging on a rock" can be considered using tools. It's not like they invented the tool. Might as well say crows "use tools" when they line up nuts in the road and wait for a car to break them.
>>4892518Sea otters don't just "bang on rocks." They will grab a rock (or other hard object) with their hands, store it in their pouch, and bring it back to the surface with them so that they can use it as a hammer or an anvil. That's clearly tool use. The pups learn how to do this by observing their mothers, so it's not purely instinctual and displays the ability to learn and acquire skills from observation.
>>4892513Almost like using tools requires jack shit for intelligence and mostly requires a body capable of using the tools to begin with. Weird.
Sea otters have the densest fur in the world. This means they are the most cuddly creatures ever, but few humans have ever experienced cuddles with a sea otter. I can only imagine how it could feel
>>4892529Appendages able to grasp objects are a necessary but not sufficient condition for tool use. For example, koalas and opossums have opposable thumbs just like humans and other primates do, but they don't use tools and koalas are almost notoriously dim-witted. This is not true for sea otters, who demonstrate the ability to learn from observation and adapt to novel situations, problem solve, etc. Though I must say you're not demonstrating intelligence well here.
Sea otters are so battle hardened they rip the shells off oysters using their bare teethhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFTEWbzrm9E
>>4875401Any but the Ojibwe ones.
>>4891535
>>4875671lol
>>4875671kek you triggered the discord troons
>>4875401All otters are good otters. Giant otters are a little scary but still good.
>>4893762DELET
>>4875671Unironically because the scientists 200 years ago were so racist that we got the "humans and animals have different ways to handle subspecies" and now we can't escape this bullshit social construct because """race""" has become synonymous with triber or (social) family.Humans are stupid. You are stupid and so are your enemies.
>>4893762kek
>>4893762Coyotes have bigger dicks fuckin wolfboi fuck yall dog evolving into woggas
good thread
>>4890883It's true, though. Why wouldn't this also function in humans? I seriously do not understand leftists at times. Do they think we're unicorns?
>>4896094It's a few things. Admittedly I'm not as knowledgeable as someone who's actually in the evobio field, but the big 2 things I'm aware of: >humans are complicatedWe're really good at taking care of dogs in a way we really aren't for humans. A working dog (and most who aren't) is guaranteed plenty of food designed for their enjoyment and nutrition, comfortable and safe housing, and decently comprehensive healthcare. This is not guaranteed for a human who works full-time, and in some places even if they work several part-time jobs at once.Therefore, a human must be capable of a broader range of skills: budgeting, nutrition, apartment-hunting, basic preventative care, and so on, *in addition* to whatever they're specialized for. Humans wealthy enough to not require these skills rarely have their lineage last long enough in that position to be able to capitalize on it - our best attempt is royalty, and, well, you see how that's going. Regardless of ethics, it doesn't seem likely to be effective.>intelligence is complicatedIntelligence isn't a single statistic like in D&D. Tolkien couldn't have written the theory of relativity, Einstein couldn't have composed Moonlight Sonata, and Beethoven couldn't have penned Lord of the Rings. And experts rarely quite understand the specifics of fields they're not specialized in (see: the parable of the spherical cow), which would lead to a very dysfunctional society. Plus, intelligence styles are often outdated: portraiture overtaken by cameras, computers by, well, mechanical computers. We've kept alarm dog breeds around in the days of digital sensors and make sure to keep them well, despite their relative uselessness. But would we take care of a useless breed of humans? We barely do when we're just a single general-purpose breed. Regardless of effectiveness, it's unlikely to be ethical.
how about those otters
>>4896236Human otters? Around the same as twinks/twunks for me.
>>4896272oh you
>>4896141God. Look at this cope. It's just scary.Okay. Listen...Let’s take the politics out of it and go back to the basics of biology.Take two populations of the same species. Not humans- let’s say rabbits.Isolate them genetically for a significant period (usually such isolation is caused by geography but it doesn’t matter why so long as interbreeding is minimal and is over enough generations for natural selection and genetic drift to occur).Will there be a divergence of traits between the two populations?The answer is yes, of course. Some traits will diverge becasue of natural selection, some because of sexual selection and some just becasue of genetic drift.After all that is how evolution works - it simply must be the case.Evolution isn’t just about when two populations diverge so greatly that a new species or sub-species forms - it’ happening daily for all sorts of traits and characteristics of an animal.And the traits that most directly impact on fitness will tend to be subject to strong selection.So wind it back to humans.Have certain populations of humans being genetically isolated from each other for many generations?Yes. We tend to call them ethnicities.Will their traits vary as between population groups?Yes. Hair type, blood group, eye colour, facial features, ability to digest certain foods, average height, body shape etc. All these traits demonstrably differ between ethnic groups.Is intelligence a trait of humans that will likewise vary?You can logically only choose one answer:A) Yes - and as intelligence is one of a human’s key traits it is likely to be selected for quite strongly in different environments and communities,B) No - intelligence is a special trait - alone amongst all traits it’s not possible for it to vary between groups at all - all groups of human beings have the same average intelligence.If you pick B fine, but don’t expect to pass a biology class any time soon.
>>4896552I appreciate that you've recognized that I responded to you, but it would have been nice if you actually read what I wrote. My sincere apologies if that was too high an expectation.Back on topic, here's a fearsome attack otter.
>>4896618Otters are vicious.
>>4896620what a scaredy-cat
>>4875401the giant ones are pretty cool
>>4896618t. failed biology class.
>>4896552KekThis basest of logic will never make lefty shitheads seethe enough
>>4896552THISISHERESY
otters?
No otters…
>>4900422Yes otters!
>>4891337>>4878692>>4878802>>4879150what was the post
>>4875401>Which otters do you like?If I had to choose, I would probably select Otters of the World.
No otters :(
>>4902683Many otters.
>>49026835 of them
>>4902695love these
desperate for otters
helpful otters
>>4896618You don't need to be so mad, you should be used to being btfo by now.
>>4905287dont be mean
greetings my fellow otters
>We will crush you like a clam on our belly
>>4875401I'm too much online, I read the first name as neurotypical otter.
>>4875799damn that tuna is basedjacking as he dies
>>4906145That's funny because they're all ottistic
otterfans
>>4906149Carlos!
>>4877225You just know
>>4896552Nerd, I'm with b. Not even liberal. There's an experiment with rat brains and cortex shape that proved brains get their shape from the stimulus. As such saying it's just economic factors the makes people lower intelligence is wrong. Culture is where this comes from. The architects of a tribe select between fearsomeness and introspection. The tribe would lose cohesion if they tried to do both. The conflict is between the conditioned responses to emotions. If I suppress my emotions rather than being encouraged, my anatomy will differentiate into more abstract thought patterns. If I encourage my emotions, I'll have less room for the abstractions as more emotions are connected to bodily reactions. This comes down to parenting, the basic unit of cultural transmission.>Tl;dr: no economic, just social factors
>>4908236What's your favorite otter?
>>4906149Ottism is my superpower
The ones hitting on me at the club. : 3
>>4892518>>4892529Someone has a vendetta against an animal :^)
>>4896552Would you care to explain how answer B is wrong?
>>4909286You think sea otters know how absolutely adorable they are?
>>4896094homosapiens aren't even close to being diverse enough to have any similarity to what constitutes dog breeds especially given that modern dog breed evolution was selectively accelerated by us. we INVENTED dopey drooly pugs and psychotic pibbuls very recently.anyway i don't think dogs are all that different intellectually even if some look utterly retarded or randomly maul babies
>>4909482favorotie otter speices?
>>4909264hey there babeh
What does otter fur feel like?
>>4909482>homosapiens aren't even close to being diverse enough to have any similarity to what constitutes dog breedsThat is irrelevant you retardSee >>4893762
>>4909291Not him, but it's ridiculous. The argument against it is simple: there is no reason to believe it.All observations point to all traits being governed by evolution, with no exceptions. Therefore, a posteriori, intelligence--being a trait--is governed by evolution. In order to argue in contradiction to this, one would need to present compelling evidence. However, all available evidence supports intelligence indeed being genetic (and hence governed by evolution). Therefore, there is no reason to believe intelligence is equal amongst all groups, and indeed multiple weighty reasons to believe it's unequal.An analog would be observing that when you place a ball on a ramp it rolls down. It doesn't seem to matter how large or small or heavy the ball is, or even what color it is. It always rolls down. Some people have even gotten together and written equations to determine how fast the ball rolls down, and can predict balls they've never seen roll before with great accuracy. But then some day someone comes up with a special ball, he's painted it like the flag of Poland. He says if it rolls down, it'd symbolize the fall of his country, and that would be bad. Therefore, unlike all the other balls, when he places it on the ramp it will stay put! Now, when he places the ball on the ramp, would you expect it to A) Roll down, or B) Stay put? Despite this man's assurances it will stay put, you'd have to be a fool or a zealot to believe it actually will.Intelligence is the same. It'd be convenient for society, and likely the world a much better place, if it were an exception. However, all available reasoning, observation, and deduction points that it is not, and no amount of wishful thinking will change that.
>>4909249Otism is my superpower as well
>>4910003whch ottrt go you leike
>>4909377
Is it true that otters will rape baby seals, sometimes to death?
>>4910948I hate how people take this and act like every single otter is raping baby seals 24/7 when only one otter species lives close enough to seals to have a chance at that
>>4910948>>4910954It really is such a fucking Reddit-tier low IQ talking point.1) The study that always gets cited only reported that behavior among 3 individual otters out of a population of 3000. It's not something that all or most of them regularly do.2) It was suspected that the three males in question were deprived of mates and turned to juvenile seals (not newborn baby seals, but juvenile seals which are closer in size to otters). This kind of desperate and aberrant behavior is actually quite common among animals deprived of mates. Even domestic dogs - yes, your precious dogs - that become stray and have to fend for themselves have been reported to turn to rape in the wild.3) Many different species of seals themselves have been reported to rape each other and completely unrelated species like penguins, and penguins are likewise known to rape each other. Bottlenose dolphins are notorious for indulging in rape, necrophilia, and infanticide. Same goes for sea lions. Even "wholesome" species like manatees, humpback whales, and pilot whales have been documented engaging in necrophilia.4) Want to know a species for which rape is actually common rather than aberrant? ORANGUTANS, one of our closest relatives. And of course rape and infanticide has been reported among chimpanzees, gorillas, and other primates. Head on over to the pongo thread and tell them that orangutans have even been known to rape human women who go to study them.4) Even elephants have been reported to engage in necrophilia and rape rhinos or kill their own offspring in a fit of rage. Not to mention all kinds of unsavory facts that could be listed among "cute" animals like cats, koalas, quokkas, rabbits, pandas, prairie dogs, meerkats, and so on. There's absolutely reason to single out otters except if you're a Reddit faggot who gets all your animal knowledge from memes.
>>4910975OTTER TRVKE
>>4910975>3 individual otters out of a population of 3000Okay, but how do we get these numbers up?
>>4909377arf
>>4910975>1)>2)>3)>4)>4)
How can I further the otter cause?
>>4913671KILL orcas
>>4875677funny, i came here to post rang vs otter too
>>4915006This entire clip is awesome, from the stupid ape inexplicably antagonizing the otters with a handful of weeds to the shocked expression on the ape's face when the otters fight back and knock it on its ass.
>>4915580awesome, agreed. it also proves pongos can be annoying aggressive little bastards and not always the squeaky cutesy animals pongo worshippers would have you to believe.
>>4909377BOOP
>>4916846What's the glittery stuff on he's a nose?
>>4896552>>4910003This assumes "intelligence" is a single variable, rather that the human mind being comprised of numerous cognitive features serving a wide variety of functions with complex polygenic inheritance patterns entangling them in profoundly unpredictable ways that are all individually affected by environmental factors throughout life as psychology and neurology indicate.That is, we can reliably divide "IQ" and "personality" into well over a dozen strongly significant and experimentally reliable variables, each one of which has distinct heredity and environmental modification thereafter. Much less so for IQ due to the ideological trends of the institutions, but then one's personality has incredible influence on teachability which is of considerably greater importance to modern life in the vast majority of cases than independent discovery.The "race realist" position additionally relies on the complete reduction to ethnicity in thorough refusal of how broad gene pools actually are or anything to do with actual heredity mmechanismsIn the very strictest hereditarian argument, logic still dictates you ought to judge a man by his individual character as he is a different combination of traits from either of his parents and none know much of the genotypes for neurology.
>>4917284You could do that but we all know what we mean by intelligence.
>>4917915Again, actual IQ tests discriminate between component cognitive functions that vary with only partial correlation. It is DEMONSTRALY not a single scale but instead a complex clusterfuck we just do not know enough about for a sound scientific answer of appropriate actions.This is ultimately summed up in the Flynn effect, where from 1942 to 2008 the average IQ rose nearly an entire standard deviation. By other measures, the average score of a 1932 United States test-taker would be an IQ of 80 in 1997.Compound this with the measured effects of actual deprivation and I strongly suspect almost all the supposedly innate difference in "intelligence" disappears to socioeconomic factors.
at least the thread is alive
I love sea otters too much. I usually watch live streams while I work. Typically the Toba aquarium as it lines up with my work schedule in such a way I can watch them slowly wake up and get to see a feeding.The US needs an otter fandom like japan so I can be autistic about Kira and Mai with other autists.I’m half considering getting into photography so I can try and hunt some down on the coast a few hours from me.
>>4884275I love seeing faggot canines lose
>>4918551VanAqua has two sea otter pups on its livecam right now
>>4918551I agree.
>>4875401Not a lot on marine otters, would love to see more photos of them
>>4918558>cute animals playing>durrrr i hate dogs durrrr angry cuss words durrrrrrwho let the redditor ininb4 seethe
>>4921137They're like a halfway point between sea otters ad river otters! A shame there isn't more interest in them.
>>4924662
>>4924662>>4924664they have the cutest noses
are you ready?
>>4927085any pics/vids of the stream?
>>4927604only the highest of quality from the technological powerhouse of japanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAf9KVcU6_Q
>>4928083nyom nyom ice cake
>>4928093Silly anon, that's May-chan. You can tell by the mark (scar?) on her noseOn the bottom right of picrel is Kira-chan
>>4928117Does anyone why Japan is unable to import more sea otters for their aquariums? The native sea otter population in Hokkaido is nowhere near large enough to provide any individuals. The sea otters at Japan's aquariums have all been imports from the Alaska SeaLife Center.Europe has imported a bunch of sea otters from Alaska over the last decade: the UK, France, and Denmark have all received their first raft of sea otters while Portugal has had them since the 1990s at Lisbon. Why has Japan stopped doing this?
Sad news, Riro has just passed away. That means the last sea otters in Japan's aquariums are Kira and May in Toba
>>4928793Riro-kun was Kira-chan's brother. He's currently the #1 trending topic on Japanese Twitter if you search for "リロくん"https://x.com/mrjeffu/status/1875362977588846818https://x.com/marine_uminaka/status/1875343925285941461
>>4928882>>4928793This is now a Riro Appreciation Thread
>>4928964
>>4928882>>4928964>>4929055I love sea otters so much
strange creatures
>>4929101>>4929055>>4928964>>4928882>>4928793"Thank you Riro"Riro's dedication display at the aquarium
>>4929466entire tables getting filled with dedicatory flowers
>>4928964>>4929466>>4929482how can you not love such an adorable face
>>4929482damn!, when my dad died only like 2 people showed up (I was one of them), most likely the same will happen to me but with less people since I'll be dead, but then again otters are beautiful and I understand.
>>4875401Ariranhas are cool as hell
>>4929482>>4929598They have to keep adding more tables because of all the flowers and gifts that keep arriving
>big otter, brazil: murderfucker that looks like an aquatic bulldog>big otter, japan: soggy anime teddybear
>>4931709>japan>implying they aren't burgerstan's big otters
>>4931771Burgerstan and Japan have the same big otters. Technically Canada and Russia too.
>>4875401Marine otters are interesting. Pretty much sea otters without tool use but with monogamous pairs that raise pups together.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBHGzvaG33g
