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This thread is dedicated to all animals of the Reptilia and Amphibia classes. Topics include, but are not limited to: geckos, snakes of all kinds, frogs, salamanders, newts, turtles, tortoises, and much more. Before asking a question, do a search on the internet to see if it has been answered
Classifieds for finding breeders and products:
>morphmarket.com
>kingsnake.com
>faunaclassifieds.com
>caudata.org
Most forums will have a "for sale" section on them, so look for that, especially if you have a specific herp you want. Craigslist can also be a good source for cheap aquariums, and make sure to check for any reptile expos that occur in your area.

When asking a question, make sure to include these details:
>Type and size of animal
>Enclosure dimensions
>Humidity and temperature
>Type of substrate
>The decor you use
>How often you feed
>The type of food you use
>If your animal is wild caught or captive bred
>How often you handle
>Who you bought the animal from

Other Helpful Resources
www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com
www.joshsfrogs.com
http://www.reptilesmagazine.com
http://www.anapsid.org
http://www.hylid.clara.co.uk/caer.htm
https://www.americanmadeexotics.com/breeding-ball-pythons-article.html
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Looking for any use for eggshells because jesus christ an egg a day is a lot of shell
would mealworms benefit from powdered eggshell in their oatmeal? would dubias use a dish of them for calcium? I know isopods need a lot of calcium
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>>4899948
>eggshells
I toss mine around the perimeter of the garden, returns some micronutrients and dissuades slugs and snails.
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>>4899948
Most feeders can have the shells tossed in with them and will eventually remove them, if that meets the capacity requirements you have depends on how many feeders.

Just chuck em in local water, there's always something that could benefit from a bit of calcium there. Or bury them in your lawn somewhere.
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Someone spot me a grand
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I am once again invertposting in herp
What would make a good predator for a large community insect tank? Lots of bugs running around all the time. As far as I know, tarantulas and scorpions barely eat anything in addition to being autistic and shy, so they'd be bad. Vertebrates like a frog or leo-sized lizard would stress if they didn't have an opportunity to get away and be by themselves, along with possibly getting nipped at by the bigger omnivorous bugs, I don't think I can get any particularly large centipedes where I live, ants would conquer it and turn it into an ant tank, would anything be feasible for this role?
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>>4900218
What do you have in there that you want to keep in check? Most of the voracious predators are specialized, i.e. Ladybugs or Bigeyed Bugs

Vinegaroons are the most frequently feeding opportunistic generalist predators I know of.

Also any pics?
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>>4900222
>What do you have in there that you want to keep in check?
feeders and clean up crew, mostly. Millipedes, isopods, super/mealworm beetles, dubia roaches, stuff that will all kinda breed themselves into infinity if space permits. I'd love to have something more exotic but I have one of those 'no insects allowed' governments, my dubias are illegal.
>any pics?
It's mostly in planning phases right now as I build stable populations and find a spot to put the big tank, right now I just have a little test 10 gallon on my desk to start developing a nutrient biome and let isopods/millipedes start breeding
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>>4900230
Come to think of it crickets might do ok in it considering they'll last weeks in my gecko tank vs one in a bin
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>>4900242
crocodile sock
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Welp /an/ i think we are dealing whit a particulary large female here. Current stats are:
>age: 14 months
>lenght: 1.16m
>weight: 1.31kg
Im guessing about 1,8-2m full grown and weight around 3.5-4kg. If it gets 2m+ ill breed it whit some particularly large male in order to see if we can get em even bigger
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I hate being more knowledgeable than most veterinarians. Went to one yesterday who referred to my New Cal as a "house gecko." How the hell do you get certified as a reptile specialist without even knowing the most common animals in the trade?
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>>4900324
Was he indian
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>Brown darkling spotted months after buying starters for a culture
>It's much bigger and more robust than the pet store beetles
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>>4900242
I get it, you gotta protect your local species, but man, I hate how many cool lizards are not available outside of Australia because of it.
Would love to get these.
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>>4900557
I'll trade you some Shinglebacks, a Bearded Dragon and a baby Goanna for a Iguana
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>>4900583
Shinglebacks AND monitors for iguanas?
Deal of the century, I'll even throw in some geckos.
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>>4900738
Problem is you have to fly here and catch them yourself first, they can sprint like you wouldn't believe.
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>>4900792
when I was a child I was horrified of witches because the idea of being turned into a frog gave me existential dread
Now I just want to have sex with them
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>>4900744
fascinating that you can tell what our bodies are built to hunt by the fact that theoretically, we can outpace the lizard over distance since they can't run and breathe at the same time, but in practice, it's going to find a rock crevice or hole in the ground long before it tires out and become impossible to get by hand(without losing an arm)
wheras big game doesn't have this strategy
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FROG MONOLITA!
We thank you, oh Frogolith, for revealing the cunning plans of your enemies to us.
May your light shine down on the souls of the brave soldiers who gave their lives in service to your will.
Onward warriors of the Frogolith, avenge your fallen brothers, blessed as they are in their eternal union with the Frogolith.
Bring death to those who spurned the holy power of the Frogolith.
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>>4900932
The Frogolith has revealed itself to believers in the Amphibian Exclusion Zone.
Trust no-one but the Frogolith and your brothers!
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>>4900324
jack of all trades master of none, most vets don't give a shit to learn more than basic anatomy about exotic pets even if they treat them
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Is having the edges of a tank hang over a desk/shelf that's slightly too small going to eventually make it crack under its own weight in a few months or is that not how anything works and Im being paranoid and as long as it's not falling over it'll be fine?
I bought a giant tank because it was cheap and I have absolutely nowhere to put it, it's been sitting on my floor for months.
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>>4900993
when you do that you're basically hanging the walls and roof of the tank in the air, only really being held together/up by the silicone. I wouldnt recommend it.

A half-inch plywoood board is stupid cheap (like 20-30 bucks), can usually be cut to size at the store, and would end your worries entirely by basically being a secondary desk/shelf top.
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>>4901015
What difference does a half inch of plywood make if there's nothing under it
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Huh, today I saw my turtle scratching her head like a dog, is that normal? I didn't even know they could raise their legs that much.
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>>4900875
Just chuck a stick at it
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>>4901035
Still spreads the weight across the plywood, rather than just the tank itself. It's a table top, basically.
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>>4901076
Yeah, that's what people figured out
You can shove a sharp stick into the hole and then the only problem is dragging it out afterward
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>>4901559
>hmm, what is this thing in my field?
>I dont know, but fuck it, get rammed idiot
Turtles are such assholes, and we all love them for it.
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>>4901594
Imagine big turtles on skateboards not little ones on fingerboards.
There would be blood on the streets.
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Isopods that don't hide?
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>>4901617
Zebras are pretty brave in my experience.
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>>4901594
maybe the camera was black
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>mealworms are a desert darkling species that want low humidity
>superworms are a tropical darkling species that want high humidity
inconvenient
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>>4900347
Gay, ginger, white.
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>>4901897
Comfy boy. I bet he is pondering the mysteries of the universe.
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>>4901897
>0 way to get up quickly
>belly on full display
>under the heat
>fat
that is one happy ackie
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Would a population of earthworms in bioactive substrate overpopulate and just turn the ground into worms if nothing burrows down to eat them?
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>>4902058
Pretty much. Worms apparently also smell terrible
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>>4902124
Disappointing but it works out because worms just seem to inexplicably die on me when I put them in glass boxes of dirt
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Bros carrying 40lbs of fruit across a store is very different from hauling 40lbs of sand 40 minutes distance...
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Top opening lids feel like such an awkward relic of the past, is there a single genuine positive to them beyond manufacturing cost?
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>>4902450
What exactly does sand do for substrate? Why does everyone put 20-30% sand in their mixes?
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>>4902496
helps it drain. How well something drains is a function of particle size, sand provides a particle that won't degrade into finer material and stop draining.
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>>4902496
It looks really really nice when you mix it woth other stuff
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Springtails should be a cent each at maximum where do people get off charging 8 dollars for them
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>>4902739
Defiant forest has ~300 springtails for about 6 bucks, with volume discounts. Petsmart was eelling something like 30 for 10 bucks, and the local mom and pop shop was selling a culture of "i dont know but you can see some crawling around in there" for fucking THIRTY.
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>>4902757
Truly we never left the BiOACTIIIIVEEE!!!!!!11!!!!11 phase of the 2010s
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What kind of snake is this?
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>>4902842
If you look closely, it's actually fairly easy to identify that it is, in fact, two snakes.
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Anon is correct, they're only dangerous if you're diabetic.
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>>4902842
It's just one. I didn't want to waste a post.
Gulf Coast Texas
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>>4902757
>>4902739
>what is shipping
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>>4902934
Who said anything about shipping
Local pet stores and craigslist ads are selling springtails for 8 dollars
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Hey anons, any tips for not scaring lizards? I see fence lizards and skinks all the time on my delivery route, but they always take off at light speed before I can snap a photo.
The anoles at least seem to be a little braver and give me the glare.
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>>4903021
Think of them as tiny cats with scales
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>Buy black earth
>need one more bag, no problem, there were 2 more at the store
>few days later
>it's sold out at every single store and not coming back until next year
>Sitting here with a tank with half as much substrate as it needs mocking me
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>>4903364
Surely you can slap together a substitute
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She found a nice hiding place in my sweater after a bath hopefully she doesn't poop...
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>>4900875
>we can outpace the lizard over distance since they can't run and breathe at the same time

Funny you should say this in response to a post featuring a monitor, the lone exception to this rule
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>>4903672
Nerd
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I want a sulcata. How big of a pen would he need for his life? Like 6x6?
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I wish I was a snake because then women would be bigger than me
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>>4903684
Hah no. For life, absolute bare minimum is probably 12x12 or 15x15. If you want it to be anything except a muddy hellscape, 40x40 is probably the minimum. Be sure to bury the walls 3+ ft deep because it'll dig out otherwise. And it'll break through wood, eventually.

Sulcata really don't make good pets. But if you're dead set, that's the minimum needed to keep an angry living bulldozer. Have fun.
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>>4903722
Ok i can make room for him but burying the walls that deep will be rough.
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>>4903723
It doesn't have to be a solid wall at least, steel posts going down several feet, spaced 6" apart, will work unless you have an absolute baby.

But yeah, they're burrowers. For most tortoises a full "tortoise table" is best, but trying to make one of those for a sulcata would cost tens of thousands of dollars.
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>>4903724
Oh fug that yeah. I had a Mojave desert we had grandfathered and he would bury about 3 feet. I saw guys selling sulcatas at the show the other day and people buying them don't even know the work that is coming. Reptiles are relentless and these are powerful reptiles.
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>>4903725
If you really want a tortoise, Greek or Russian are the easiest to manage, with Mojave also being fairly easy.

People who buy baby sulcatas without knowing what they're doing are retarded, and dooming a creature that lives as long as they do to a short, stressful life. Most tortoises don't live long past their original owner anyways, but picking the largest and longest lived one available? You get what you fuckin deserve.

Boy do I love torts tho. Little retarded bulldozers.
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>>4903684
Think “swimming pool half filled with excavator clay and sand mix”
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>>4903726
>>4903727
I've kept little guys. I want to graduate.
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What could I plant in a tank that beetles will eat that doesn't need a ton of full sun like strawberries? I have easy access to a lot of herbs but bugs hate herbs
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>>4903726
Are turtles really retarded? It might be my brain saying "old man = wise" but they've always seemed perceptive and trainable, they even play with balls, but there's probably a debate to be had whether its play or just their natural world ender instinct telling them to ram everything
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>>4903836
Probably not retarded, just limited motivations and endless stubbornness. They'll spend weeks pushing against the same crack in the fence if there's something they think they want on the other side.

Also they seem to have an urge to destroy everything in reach. You can't keep anything but the toughest plants with them, no matter the size - one day they'll come across the plant and decide its passivity is no match for their violence.
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>>4903881
Is this only with large turtles or turtles destined to become large? I never see tiny turtles with lusts for destruction
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>>4903885
It's all turtles and torts, but the small ones have less capacity for it due to square-cube law. Try putting literally anything with a mud turtle or Russian turtle and you'll pretty quickly find it damaged.
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>Before pupating, mealworms will become sluggish and stop eating as much, before curling up and not moving, but not curling into a nice distinctive C like a superworm
It looks identical to the process of actively dying
Why do they stop eating before metamorphosis? Isn't that when they should be eating the MOST? They look visibly thinner and more unhealthy than they used to
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>>4904001
like with brumation, it's probably to avoid having undigested food rotting in the chrysalis.
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Soon to be newbie keeper curious about habitat size. I got a free 50 gallon terrarium (36"x18x18). I'd love to start out with a leopard gecko or a fire skink. But I'm a little nervous about those being around the minimum enclosure sizes. Does anyone have experience with whether that size feels truly like its enough? Would like my guy to live like a king.

I was thinking I might just try and get a young one and then upgrade it after about a year once I know my specific lizard's needs better. Is that probably fine or should I really just consider something smaller?
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>>4904060
Look up the size of your reptile. It should be able to turn easily in your tank width wise and be long enough for it to regulate it's own temperature.
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>>4904052
imagine being reborn as half cucumber because there was a pickle inside the chamber where your dna broke apart and rewrote itself
[spoiler]i turned myself into a pickle, anon[/spoiler]
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>>4904060
>would like my guy to live like a king
take the length of the lizard and think how many seconds a king would be able to walk forward without having to turn around
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>>4904065
Okay maybe an imprisoned king because that feels like a hard standard to meet.
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>>4904067
>I want to give my pet the best life I can
>Woah woah hey now, MOVING? that's a little luxurious, don't you think?
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>>4904144
I mean, when I think of a king I think of a castle where the can probably walk several minutes without having to turn around. Do you have suggestions on a set up that would allow that?
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>>4904154
This chick made a naturalistic enclosure for a leopard gecko in a 6x2x2 grow tent.
https://youtu.be/SP9s9glIpJM
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>>4904172
why the fuck have I ever dealt with glass anything when this was a thing this whole time
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>>4904060
That's plenty big for a juvenile leo if you remove "live like a king" from the equation and replace it with "live in a studio apartment". Not what I would recommend for you to buy and I would upgrade it asap, but if you already own the enclosure and you're set on getting your first reptile then you may as well use it. It could live its whole life in there and be fine but anyone in their right mind would laugh at you for it. Way too small for a skink.
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>>4904361
And by "could live its whole life" I mean "it won't die", not "you don't need to upgrade your enclosure"
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Leopard geckos are big animals and Im tired of people pretending they're not
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they aren't even a foot long
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>>4904154
You will basically never be able to simulate a herps natural territory in the wild using an indoor enclosure. The bigger you can manage the better, the only thing to keep in mind is how much vertical space you need, obviously something like a pixie frog isn't going to need as much vertical space as a tree monitor.
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>>4904517
>blocks your path
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>>4904496
neither is your dick and you still cry when people call it small
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>>4904576
scales are so weird man like they're just bumps on top of normal skin
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>>4904577
>normal
That's a microaggression, chud!
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>>4904583
>reptiles are white
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Switched my garter back over to bioactive sine her substrate already had a thriving isopod and springtail population, and I might as well just go the rest of the way and add some soil and plants. got some pothos throughout, a smallish snake plant, and a little creeping fig in the foreground that I'm pretty sure is gonna die on me.
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>>4904845
my favorite thing about bioactive is that unless you fill it with fake shit it's impossible for it to look bad
like, this should look like shit, there's no real design to it, it's just trash strewn about and a couple pothoses that are an ugly shade of green
but nature is also trash strewn about and a few random plants, so it looks perfectly nice.
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>>4904859
I've wondered about making essentially an "urban" bioactive enclosure, small glass bottles, lots of small stones, a few chunks of concrete and cinder blocks, planks, roadside plant species, etc.
You could house some creatures that thrive in our cities like anoles.
I think the biggest challenge would be making sure all the decor is actually herp safe.
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>>4904947
Sometimes I think of having a terrarium with a man-made garden sort of look with square stones and tamed foliage then I remember I keep nature boxes because I don't want to think about people or civilization
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>>4904947
Would be cool for a toad. You could make the backdrop a brickwall with a pipe in it as a hiding spot.
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>>4904845
Add some English ivy (real version of what's on the hammock), it's stupid easy and grows faster than pothos. Philodendron 'Brasil' is also a good choice if you want variety. If you want any height, nerve plant, purple waffle plant, aluminum or watermelon pilea are all hardy the right size.

Looks good, regardless! Garters are based. Do you feed her fish?
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I think the dubias are getting more powerful, their food disappears a lot faster
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>>4904988
That's such a fun idea. May need to consider a new project. Also, does anyone know how often a fully grown giant day gecko normally sheds? I remember seeing a bit of shed skin on his nose right when I brought him home late June, but haven't seen him shed here yet.
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>>4905080
Adult lizards shed every couple months and with adequate humidity you'll never see a hint they did it because they eat all of it and like to take it off while hidden or at night
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>You'll never rizz up the thick nerd girl that gets the feeders at the pet store
why live
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Is it true that cats touching lizards/snakes lead to toxoplasmosis, and thus an untimely death of said lizard/snake??
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>>4905008
the fake ivy on the hammock is just for some shade/dappling, frankly I kinda wanted to remove them altogether since she doesnt use them as much now that she's a big huge fatasss but she spent some time up there last night playing the floor is lava because everything was still moist, and for a marsh-living species she seems to prefer drier substrate. everything plant-wise is still just small cuttings so We'll see about adding more stuff as it develops.
>Do you feed her fish?
used to when I had three, but then one of them got a mycobacterial infection (of a sort that is common amongst farmed fish) and died horribly slowly over a period of 8 months. Chicken hearts and small fuzzies now.
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>>4904947
>>4904988
semi-related, in one of snake discovery's enclosure design contests the reach out reptiles guy made an enclosure for a milk snake modeled after a barn, with recovered wood and a water fountain built out of a copper faucet
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>>4905160
Looks like shit
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It's fucking absurd the transformation from dead hellscape to verdant biome that like 5 patches of moss accomplishes
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So if worms aren't a good option, would snails or slugs be good for clean up crew? Or are they too prolific?
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>>4905167
yeah, the concept was interesting but the execution was dogshit. He revisited it a little later and somehow made a version that's simultaneously improved and also worse in its own way, leaning into the worst aspects of the prior build for some reason.
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>>4905222
maybe we should stick to dirt and rocks bros...
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>>4905215
snails and slugs would arguably be worse than worms, and they'd probably eat your living vegetation before ever eating the poop in the dirt.
What exactly is the application?
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>>4905226
eating decaying/dead plants, like any cuc, but I also want them to nibble on live ones without destroying them because I want a proper little ecosystem
springtails and isopods subsisting on feces is a myth
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>>4905215
Springtails and isopods, anon. Or springtails and millipedes. They're classics for a reason.
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>>4905231
yeah but what's the big animal in there? one of the reasons isopods and springtails are used is because they tend to not be on the menu of most of the animals we keep. The larger detritivorous bugs (millipedes, beetles, etc) arent so lucky.
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big animal?
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>>4905245
you just said the isopods and springtails dont subsist on feces alone, which assumes there's something else in there shitting. what's going in the enclosure apart from the cleanup crew?
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>>4905251
Apart from the cleanup crew?
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>>4905254
"clean up crew" implies they're cleaning up for something, so yes.
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>>4905260
they'd clean up the food i put in probably
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>>4905262
then it doesnt really matter. put whatever bugs you want to in there, provided it's a proper environment for them. big honking millipedes, little guys, death feigning beetles if you want to go arid.
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>>4905245
No one thinks they can live on their own shit, they think they can live on something else’s shit, anon.
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Rate my roach coach
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>>4905416
Roach/roach
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>>4905403
I never said "their own feces"
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>>4905421
i dont see roach, only coach
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>>4905447
That means it's working.
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>>4905263
NTA but are Feigning Death Beetless going to prey on isopods? I have an arid 8x10x4" isopod enclosure/succulent garden currently full of Clowns (Klugii) and mixed springtails, but kinda want one or two bigger beetles.

I dunno I might just put A. Maculata in there, they're pretty bold. It's been going about 18mo now, I put in one of the dwarf isopods that literally all disappeared overnight one day and the Clowns which are doing great.

Pic is a view about 3 months after it started. The back haworthia bleached out from too much grow light and has mostly died, the rest have grown and pupped and such.
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>>4905457
If your isopods establish themselves you will prob have too many at one point.
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>>4905423
Big Fuck Jr.
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>>4905462
His sole purpose is to cull roaches.
He eats.
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>>4905461
Yeah they probably will, but it hasn't happened yet and I feed lightly. I've got an 18" tropical cube with nothing but CUC and a fuck ton of plants, if it starts to be a problem I can excise some there.

Or worst case I'll grab a dozen at a time and sell them on ebay. Right now they're not even doing a good job of eating the one mostly dead succulent
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>>4905464
Maybe they are cold?
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How are you supposed to identify limestone this shit looks like every single other rock in existence
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>>4905496
Check to see if see if it's the outer shell of an Egyptian pyramid. If so, you're in Limestone country, baby!
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>>4905500
reducing soil acidity is not worth touching browns sorry
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>>4905100
I'm pretty sure the animal is more likely to be killed by the cat's teeth and claws than its shit
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Bros is there a point where you just have to give up and accept the lizard will never let you touch it
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>>4905645
there will come a time at some point where you will HAVE to get hands on your animal, be it for maintenece or god forbid some emergency.
get creative. lure him out with food or something. bad way to do it, but a bad way's not a bad way if nothing else works.
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>>4905935
I have tried this
He will not come for the food and holding squirming insects in a pinch for an extended period without moving or injuring them is very difficult
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>>4905974
maybe just toss em in and sit there while he goes for them.
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>>4905935
What species?
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>>4905988
he will eat while I watch, but that's very different from being in the tank which is very different from touching him
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>>4900875
>we can outpace the lizard over distance since they can't run and breathe at the same time
monitors can
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>>4904060
Plenty big. 20L is considered the minimum
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>>4906048
was considered the minimum 15 years ago you mean
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So mealworms are defined as plastivores. When they eat plastic, does it actually metabolize properly, or do they just shit out microplastics? Wondering how viable they are as a way to dispose of plastic cleanly. (Purely asking out of curiosity, not about to start feeding my mealworm colony plastic)
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>>4906079
>Defined as plastivores
No they aren't
>Does it actually metabolize properly, or do they shit out microplastics
They properly metabolize polystyrene, turning it into frass, water and co2
Mealworm colonies fed with styrofoam show no ill effects and they will prefer styrofoam to other natural foods
An incinerator, where your recycled styrofoam goes, will also turn it into co2 and water, along with an inert slag that is used in construction. Modern incinerators produce less pollution than your car, and often produce more energy than they use.
You're not saving the planet by feeding your mealworms styrofoam unless you live in the third world where it's just going to get dumped, you did not discover the key to saving the world from plastic waste.
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>>4906082
Forgot to include that chickens fed with mealworms fed with styrofoam also show no ill-effects.
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Why doesn't pupae/cocoons convulsing so hard and fast fuck up what's inside them?
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>>4906082
Why are you getting so defensive? It was literally just a thought.
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>>4906193
>giving you facts
>defensive
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I thought I made a massive score hauling this fungus covered hunk of wood home but now that it's in there it just... irks me. Like it looks really out of place, or maybe it's taking up too much space, or it's not in the background enough, what do you guys think, should I just saw some of it off and hope the shelf fungus spreads? There was no real vertical element before it, I just had a different piece of wood that barely crested above the ground.
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I have been watching darklings in the bioactive for about 10 minutes and can conclude that these things really are still just exactly mealworms with longer legs and a sex drive
just stupid little goobers
they even still do the same rearing up animation despite having antennae and their legs not all being up near their head
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>>4906253
Try slope the substrate towards the back of the enclosure and fill in the back behind the log so it looks like it’s coming out of a hill
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>>4906253
I looked at the image before reading what you wrote and didn't see anything wrong with it, I guess you could try rotating it a little or putting it in the back left instead, or just get some more other shit in there to fill the whole scene out, but I think it's fine. Moss might help too.
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Anyone have suggestions for diurnal, arboreal, tropical-hardy invertebrates that will eat soft shelled isopods? I realized today my terrarium has near-infinite dwarf oranges - seriously hundreds - and I'd like to get a centerpiece that would cull them a bit. Ideally a colorful beetle of some sort, that would prefer isopods to plants, but nearly every plant in there is either hard leafed or overgrown, so a little nibbling wouldn't be a problem.

Temp sits in mid-70s to low 80s, and humidity between 50% and 70%. I'd prefer a day gecko or some darts but the wife vetoed actual herps and for whatever reason is more OK with inverts.
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>>4907111
There aren't any. As a rule, there are no hungry hungry invertebrates that will devour your isopods by any meaningful amount, carnivorous invertebrates are built to sustain off nearly nothing, with very slow metabolisms and minimal movement.
They are additionally nearly all autistic ambush predators who wouldn't see the isopods as a buffet, they'd see them as bugs crawling all over their house and they'd stress out.
The closest answer I was given was a vinegaroon, but it's still not going to do what you want or be an ideal captive in that situation
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>>4907127
Yeah vinegaroon was the closest I could come up with. Or darkling beetles, but they're not particularly gregarious.

Shame those active hunting social mantids only eat very specific prey, they'd be awesome.
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>>4907111
Not arboreal, but the most feasible thing I can think of would be one of the small terrestrial Geosesarma species, they are trash compactors that don't shy away from live food. They are fine with just a bathing dish, no need for a paludarium. You'd probably need a group of them to make even a dent into a large isopod population though.
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>>4907129
Darklings are detritivores, they have the same diet as the isopods bro
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/herp/ and /invert/ fusion into /exo/ when
arthropods are the foundation of the reptile hobby
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>>4907127
What about crabs? Are there any that don't need a water dish? I know crustaceans in general are voracious.
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>>4907137
>>4907130
Beat me to it lol.

>>4907131
They do but they're big enough that I've read reports of them preying on isopods. Might depend on the type, considering "darkling beetle" has over 20,000 described species. I've considered tossing a super worm or two in there to aerate the soil but I suspect I'd end up with the same isopod problem in macro.
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Speaking of darkling beetles, these are 2 of my biggest supers, are they close to pupation size?
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>>4907144
forgot to mention the quarter is the same size as an american quarter
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>>4907111
Some mid sized amblypygids like Phrynus sp. would probably be a good bet. They love to eat isopods, are communal and will be hanging out above where the isopods spend most of their time so they’re not likely to get stressed or chewed to pieces the minute they shed
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>>4907185
whip scorpions are communal??????
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While we're talking about beetles, any big species outside of blue death feigning that'd do well in an arid desert enclosure?
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>>4907144
Yes. Chances are, if you put them in a dark hole by themselves, they'll pupate.
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>>4907230
THANK YOU.
Do you know how long it should take before they curl up and start the process? I've seen someone say you can check them the next day and I've seen someone else say you should wait an entire week with them in the cup, and by then they could have dehydrated
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>>4907209
Ironclad beetles are good. Basically any tenebs.

>>4907111
Maybe bombadier beetles? They aren't really arboreal but can climb OK, and are carnivorous. If their main option is isopods, they'd probably chow down.
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Crested geckos are among the most braindead creatures I have ever owned
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>>4907286
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>Moved all the adult darklings to the bioactive
>top of the oatmeal suddenly covered in worms that were constantly buried and never visible before
Huh, I guess they really are cannibals
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>>4900072
>a thousand dollars for an iguana
literally go to Florida and spend 20 minutes in the bush looking for one
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How long can a baby northern blue tongue skink stay in a 40 gallon?
I have a business where he/she will be part of a display, but the 120 gallon display tank is still under construction (it’s being built into the wall)
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hello /herp/, i seek an animal recommendation from you. i would like a toad or frog that fits the following:
-easy to care for
-terrestrial
-can stand temps as high as 80 f
-is active enough that i can show it to people when they come over (or are diurnal)
-can enjoy life in a 20 long (or even a 20 tall)
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>>4907623
Bumblebee Toads. They're communal, you can easily put 5+ in a 20L.
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Sometimes I forget how beautiful my animals are because their stupid yellow-ass heat lamp washes them out all the time
Are new heat bulbs white?
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>can't feed my detritivores my healed scabs because I'm covered in soap
why live
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>>4907609
They grow pretty quickly. How much of a "baby" are we talking?
Mine practically doubled in size as a juvenile in the spam of about 3 months.
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>>4907736
Shit - span, not spam.
For reference, this is about as big as mine was when I first got him.
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What happened to Intrepid Exotics?
He is about to quit his channel
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>>4907748
Have you considered clicking the video that says "Im Done, this is why" you shilltard
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>>4907664
Feed them boogers.
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>day gecko can't grip on to the Coco fiber background
At least there's enough wood for him to climb in until I fix it.
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>>4907986
Why did you get a defective gecko
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bros could i feed my bugs meat if I take the seasoning off or is the damage done
yes i know feeders shouldnt get protein
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>>4908039
>meat
>seasoning
you'll have to be more specific. Note that a lot of spices people use were originally used to keep animals from eating them, and stuff like onion and garlic are actually poisonous to a lot of animals/bugs, but stuff like capsaicin only works on mammals.
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>>4908044
good point
I'll just peel some raw off next time
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Reddit never ceases to amaze.
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>>4900324
Had to put him down tonight. I thought things were getting better, but he couldn't even move today. Happened suddenly. Don't fully understand it.
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What species of dog is this?
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>>4908019
He was charming
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>>4908145
Orange.
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How long should I give superworms to start pupation before returning them to the grain? They're at about 3 or 4 days with no changes
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>>4908145
A dragon snake, known for being absurdly hard to keep in captivity and just dying at random, let alone to breed. Also incredibly expensive and rare.
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These little guys are supposed to be able to regrow their tails, but I guess my girl is just broken.
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>>4908439
abuser
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>>4908440
Okay.
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>>4908439
Looks mostly regrown to me.
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>>4908449
Oh, it's been that level of stumpy since I initially got her from the breeder back in April. The color has changed somewhat, but from what I've seen elsewhere, they're supposed to fully regrow in a matter of maybe two months.
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>>4908590
Judging by how far the tail still has a pattern it looks to me like she just got the tip bitten off and didn't drop the whole thing herself, so it just healed without regrowing. Tail regrowth can be fucky if they aren't amputated at the intended point.
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Skinks look so precious with short thick tails
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I'm starting to genuinely get sick of my cat because her mere existing scares my lizard into hiding literally whenever he tries to do anything at all.
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I'm a bit of a chaotic person so apologies if anyone gets mad, I have a southern ring neck snake and I want to put it in my mourning gecko enclosure... thoughts? tank is 18/18/24
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>>4908813
This is retarded and you should feel bad. That's barely large enough for mourning geckos, and you want to put a lizard eating snake in with it?

You should give your lizards to someone else.
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>>4908813
I wouldn't risk it if that's your only colony. Get another enclosure and try it with some geckos you can spare.
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>>4908765
I like cats, but I could never have one, they are by far the least convenient non-bird pet, at least if you don't just make it fend for itself outside. Dogs might be marginally more work, but they are far less restricting and easier to live with, especially if you want herps too.
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2 times now I have found a dubia male that's flown out of the bin, climbed through the (admittedly not tightly attached) mesh and ended up trapped in a plastic dish across the room
Why
There is no way the conditions are that awful, or the competition with (1) other male is so fierce that my dubias are suffering so horribly that mine regularly fly despite the species being considered effectively flightless
I even recently put the heat pad on the side instead of the bottom like you're apparently supposed to because insects go down to escape heat (though I never found any cooked corpses)
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>>4908897
My roaches are also finding their way out of their enclosure, I think it's just a general population thing, I've been seeing roaches of all non-newborn ages crawling around on the top of their bin.
However it has been a while since I've given the bin a good cleaning, so maybe it's also that.
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>>4908983
>population thing
My colony is mimoscule, I'm not even on the second generation of adults yet
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Hey anons, what frog is this?
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>>4908988
american bullfrog
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>generation of pupa hatched
>they were pet store mealworms so their moults are all fucked up
:c
i forgot about that
I hope the supers will do ok
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>>4908992
>only one super assumed the position
>it was the one I put in a day after the others
>it was smaller than the others
so if they're ready they'll go in like 2 days rather than a week, and size doesn't matter it's just random
nice
one moulted though, that's pretty neat
i hope the beetle won't be lonely waiting for the rest of them though :c
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What's the best pet between a green iguana and a burmese python?
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>>4909328
I'd say the iguana but I'm a lizard person. Neither are really good options. If you're lucky and get a relatively chill iguana they're pretty cool. Feeding them is easy, they need a pretty large but not unmanageable enclosure. But it's still a big enclosure with a lot of heat and UVB and most adult green iguanas are very angry and hate handling. But if you can build trust with one that has a good temperament they're super cool. There are better options if they're available where you are though. If you want a diurnal arboreal display lizard a giant green day gecko is much easier to care for. If you want a big iguana, rhino iguanas have a much better temperament on average. But honestly I get the appeal of the green iguana, they're very iconic.

Burms are generally nicer/easier to handle provided you're an average sized adult male. They toe the line of "unreasonably large snake" which can be a good or bad thing depending on what you're looking for. That will usually mean custom enclosure and custom decor. But they stay small enough, usually, that you're not hunting down livestock for feedings.

Lizard vs Snake dynamics come into play as well. Lizards have higher metabolisms so they eat/poop more often, require more frequent care/maintenance and need larger enclosures for their size. They're more active and dynamic animals in general. Meanwhile most snakes, once you get them on an eating schedule, only require intermittent care since poop day and feeding day usually coincide.
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>>4909328
Burmese python. Iguana's that evolved on the mainland have to be fight or flight 24/7 to survive. A rhino, rock, or Lesser Antillean iguana are much calmer.
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>>4909328
This is the most "If you have to ask, you shouldnt buy the animal" question I've ever seen
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Gecko left one of his sheds uneaten. Pretty.
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I want to buy a baby alligator snapping turtle and eat it when it grows to big to keep.
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>>4909423
Why not just go out and hunt a snapping turtle?
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>>4909421
Steal it
Take revenge for his greed
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>>4908105
Is it?
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>>4909433
Looks like a cuttlebone to me
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Anyone have any experience with (or links to info on) Bark Anoles? They're little guys, and invasive in my boomer parents' south Florida backyard, so was wondering if I could forcibly adopt one or if that'd just doom it to die inside like it seems to do with fence lizards.

Google didn't provide any useful info when I looked.
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>>4909441
i wouldn't think they'd be that different from any other Caribbean anole that has invaded Florida. They're invasive anyways so I wouldn't worry about accidentally killing them in the same way I would with a native alligator lizard.
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>>4909441
Did more research, their primary diet is ants so guess that's that. Oh well, they're nice looking fellows.
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>>4909454
Very dignified
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>>4909454
>not just farming ants
to be fair that has to be one of the lamest ant eating herps in existence when you could be feeding a dart frog or horny toad with them.
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>>4909468
All ant youtubers are faggots, I don't want to catch antkeeper disease
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>>4909468
>implying I don't have a formicarium

There's farming ants, and then there's farming enough to feed dozens a day to a lizard. The latter is not really feasible.

You're right that it's hardly the best looking ant-eater.
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>>4909517
I feel like any remotely serious ant terrarium/properly cared for colony would produce enough to feed a small lizard.
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How do you even go about tracking down a rare species?
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>>4909537
like what?
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>>4909539
like a photo where your mom is less than 300lbs
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>>4909524
most formivores (idk if this is actually a word but ant-eater is already an animal) eat a fucking ton of prey though. if farming ants was an optimal/efficient way to produce feeders nobody would be fucking around with fruit walks.
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OP here
>>4909336
>>4909419
Honestly i had a baby green iguana in 2023. It was starting to calm down too but then one day i lost it by keeping it outdoor during the summer in an unsecured big bird cage, the one you see in pic related (yeah very retarded choice i know) don't worry about it becoming invasive though they can't survive outside where i live. I think i'm good at taming them down but not very much with the staple diet they need. Making a big diy enclosure is not a problem for me
>>4909375
They are a prey item for many animals in the wild and big adults males are also territorial as fuck. Their rage is relatable
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>>4909600
No one said anything about optimally farming feeders, you said you already keep ants, and a properly cared for and established colony with a decent enough terrarium would produce practically infinite ants the queen would live twice as long as the toad as well
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bros why does my gecko always climb on the glass and the lid instead of all his branches or plants
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>>4909726
I think they genuinely just like smooth surfaces more than rough ones
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>>4909726
>>4909796
smooth clean surfaces are easier for setae to grip onto. have you ever tried to wash a branch you bring in from outside? theyre filthy, and dirt would fuck with their grip
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>>4909796
but the lid is mesh...
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>>4909809
well he needs to man up and rub his taint against some bark, I can see the little spikes of goo in his fomoral pores waiting to be broken off.
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>oh man it's almost 80 degrees, are the dubias okay? Maybe I should turn the mat off
>they're still all huddled against it trying to be as hot as possible
crazy animals
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>>4909847
Is the mat underneath or on the side? Insects are too stupid to understand directionality for heat.
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>>4909873
side
I know they only understand down=cooler but one, they have to have some idea of thermoregulation considering they'll actively decide to cool down or heat up their eggs, also that kind of just doesn't make any sense, if it's too hot you move away from the heat, even insects do this, they understand discomfort and avoid it.
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How to increase humidity in room for cheap?
Really don't want to spray the tank 4 times a day the whole winter.
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>>4910365
I've tried a LOT of shit but the answer is just "get a humidifier." cold air can't hold as much water vapor as warm air, so winter air will always just be drier, and if you want more water in the air, you've got to put it there.
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>>4910369
Are you telling me the glass of water in my cupboard isn't increasing its humidity
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Darklings will wrestle each other over food and its really cool
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>>4910376
it technically is by passive evaporation, but not very much.
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>Dermestid beetles fly
I literally called a taxidermy place before learning this, why/how do people use them as cuc?
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left my crestie with a roommate for the weekend and he wants the house at 60°f and I don't have a heater, should I insist he crank it up so I don't come home to an icicle gecko or just let the dude shiver for a night
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>>4910678
that is 10 entire degrees fahrenheit lower than the lowest their temperature should get
think about how massive that is
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>>4910679
gecko is used to it getting as low as 65 for a while sometimes and has always been fine, roommate's just a dick so I hate fighting over it. it's not the AC that's on but the heat so it'd bottom out at 60 and it's 70 outside so I'm not super worried about it because it probably won't be an actual icebox, I live in the south so it's not normally too cold outside. stupid babby questions but I almost never leave my animals alone.
ironically part of the reason I'm out of town is to pick up a lower wattage lamp since I only have a 100
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>ernmm actually the health of my animal isnt important enough to bear being annoyed for a bit
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If the roomate's a dick he'll probably not do it anyway and only turn it on shortly before OP is back.
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>>4910690
better than not doing it at all
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Crested geckos are unkillable
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>>4910696
please tell them that so they stop dropping their tails because a fork hit the floor
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>>4910696
>joomps into a running garbage disposal
nyoro~n :]
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>>4910696
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I should split a third mealworm population off as a compost bin
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>>4906079
plastivore isnt a real term, what kinda pop science paper have you read.
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My leachie shed the other day.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fake plants
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>>4911764
Did it eat it to gain its wrinkles?
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Brought someone new home. After my first really bad experience with a Boa my gf convinced me to try again
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>>4911867
Is that you, anorexic boa anon? If so I hope you went with a different breeder.
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>>4911867
It's so tiny! Cute.
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>>4911881
I am, and I did, she was born blind in one eye, so she was being sold as a pet only. But they said she's been eating consistently, a little over a year old, and is an active little lady. God forbid but they gave me contact info to reach out to just in case.
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>>4911892
Good to hear that she's better established, looking forward to seeing more of her.
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muh "instinctual fear of snakes" is retard fake science from a nation pretending they're not still ruled by christianity, right?
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>>4911892
>as pet only
As opposed to what, guard snake?
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>>4911910
breeding, you silly goose. they dont want her to perpetuate the birth defect.
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>>4911910
I want a guard iguana now
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>>4911906
we apparently have an in-born snake detection hardware in our brains, which makes sense as we were a grassland-roaming bipedal species, which means getting tagged in the ankles by spooked snakes if you cant see them beforehand. FEAR of snakes, though? that's all fucking cultural, and funnily enough pretty easy to eliminate when you actually have a few encounters with non-hostile snakes. Shit, for my wife all it took was a few days with pic related poking her head out from under the water dish.
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>>4911917
>we apparently have an in-born snake detection hardware in our brains,
I retain that this too is bullshit, you look at a living thing that's a long line with no fucking legs and there's literally 3 answers: a worm, an eel, or a snake, and I don't live underwater.
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>>4911918
it's not about determining if the linear animal is a snake or worm, it's being able to see it hiding in the brush in the first place.
>neurosciencenews.com/snake-recognition-vision-5460/
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>>4911921
This is literally what I was thinking of making that post. People seriously think we need some kind of ancient instinctual knowledge woven into our dna to realize that the scaled worm with NO LIMBS is a snake??? No shit people can identify a snake faster than a cat or bird, one of those things has scales, AND NO LEGS.
This isn't even neuroscience, this is one survey of people's opinions. Nothing was observed or measured in anyone's brain.
Hell, hyenas and big cats were our MAIN predators for eons, but we're supposedly evolutionarily linked to spiders and snakes while keeping dogs and cats as pets.
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>>4911806
Yeah.
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>>4911929
his tail looks like a sack
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>>4911938
That is his sac
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>>4911940
why's it on the outside
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>>4911922
Predation doesnt have anything to do with it. Snakes and spiders were just animals that were in the same areas we were that could potentially seriously fuck us up if we got careless around them. If you cant see that there's a distinct fitness advantage to being able to spot and avoid them more easily, I dont know what to tell you.
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>>4911942
As opposed to a fitness advantage to being able to spot and avoid.... the things that ate us.
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>>4911945
Theyre not remotely close to the same thing. Youre not going to accidentally stumble across a jaguar walking through shin-high grass.
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>>4911957
Yeah anon I'm getting it now, it really makes a lot of sense that the entire human species' perception of the world would change based not on the things that killed and ate them regularly, but things that might occasionally kill them if they stepped on them.
After all, everyone knows it's IMPOSSIBLE to see a jaguar or a coursing predator. You just can't evolve a response to that, and that's why no animal ever did.
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>>4911922
Cats and Hyena's have existed for 30 million years. Snakes have existed for 90 million years.
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>>4911970
and Homo has existed for 3 million years, your point? You're gonna tell me 90 million year old instincts from when we were tree rats are why normies go "ew gross" when they see a snake?
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>>4911945
By the time protohumans evolved, the list of things that ate us was very low. Apex predator and all that.

But if you've ever been alone at night and suddenly feel spooked? That's the "oh shit something might eat me" instinct.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Based on the above scientific research, I'd guess a lot more people died to accidental snake or spider bites than being preyed upon by a specific type of animal - though young kids are pretty universally afraid of wolves and big cats, so there's definitely some instinctual fear there as well.
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>>4911966
>be early homonid walking through a plain
>keep an eye out many strides away near the treeline for the beasts that ate Grong and Spak that one time
>rustle in the grass two strides to your left
>see one of those little fuckers that bit Nama on the ankle that one time and then his whole leg blew up like a balloon and he died raving about spirits
>not today little fucker
Big cat danger was far away. Snake danger was close up. Theyre not the same thing.
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>>4912028
We're also not likely to see many big cats out in our backyards (with the exception of cougars in some rural areas), but we most certainly have snakes and spiders out there. Or fuck, even in our homes sometimes
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>>4911971
Yes considering multiple things. Not all hunts end in success, meaning that many attacks by Homotherium or Pachycrocuta didn't mean a 100% death rate of the homo species they were hunting. While the odds were not in their favor, there were times some of our ancestors survived with broken arms, slashed backs, legs bitten and so on. The same cannot be said of a spider/snake bite. Unless said bite is a dry bite, venomous bites will always end up killing the person. You could not escape the toxins that would shut down your nerves, congeal your blood and render your body unusable.
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>>4912074
Retardbro there's more snakes that are nonvenomous or have venom that causes some swelling/fever/pain before going away than there are flesh eating neurotoxic death sticks.
You realize snakes are trying to kill things that are 1 pound, not 150, right?
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>>4912084
Yeah, and 99 times put of a hundred there WASNT something lurking at the edge of the firelight waiting to pull you into the shadows and eat you alive, but people still fear the dark because the people that avoided it regardless of the safety level still made out better than the ones that didnt.
Its also important to note that when your only source of information storage and retreival is "whatever the oldest guy in the tribe can remember" you're going to have a hard time distinguishing between safe snakes, unsafe snakes, and the handful of safe snakes that look like the not safe ones. The people that didnt fuck with snakes period were more likely to not get tagged at all, whether the resultant bite was deadly, just painful, or barely broke the skin.
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I don't get it, meals and supera basically live underground in oatmeal, going down whenever they feel threatened, tons of tarantula keepers post on forums about both of them burrowing out of sight the moment they put them in the enclosure, and yet I still have yet to see a single worm or beetle dig into soil.
I gave them all this substrate for nothing
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