swarm intelligence, hive minds, and all that, this topic has been more and more interesting to me lately. Ants, bees, locusts, schools of fish, flocks of birds, herds of animals and stuff like that
Did you know that locust swarms move and stir by biting each other in the ankles and cannibalizing individuals that stray too far from the swarm's movement?
It's the creepiest form of intelligenceI posted about this many years ago here regarding an incident with gigantic mosquito clouds in my backyard one summer and no matter how much I shoo'd them off with bug spray or sprayed it with a hose to fuckoff they kept flying back to the exact same spot on my patio for no real reason at all.
>>4901074The question is, how do you really kill that intelligence? Do you have to kill every single mosquito or just enough of them? At what point have you destroyed the sould of that mosquito cloud, or does it linger?
>>4901078Flamethrower.
>>4901100Sure, but that doesn't really answer the question. What if like 1 or 2 get away?
>>4901078>At what point have you destroyed the sould of that mosquito cloud, or does it linger?
>>4901105thanks for the recommendation, those greek fellas really thought of almost everything before
I don't want to sound like an asshole but I somehow get the feeling people aren't as interested in this topic as I am, but maybe it's also just because this is literally one of the slowest boards
>>4900954Me on the right
>>4901563eventually some autist who enjoys this as much as you do will show up with some fun facts but yes this is a slow board
>>4901563It's interesting but I know nothing about the phenomena other than it looks cool and is an interesting topic so I have nothing to contribute.
>>4901695>>4901703thanks anons. yeah my autistic fixations mostly comes from the idea that human collectives also function similar to animal hiveminds as >>4901672 implied, and what that emergent consciousness would look like if the emergent consciousness made up of ants can create something as "intelligent" as an anthill is a thought that has gripped me
>>4901672More like swarm retardation lmao.
>>4900954heard ducks fly in V formation for optimal airflow
>>4901729when I worked in a dollar store I noticed people have a tendency to get in line for checkout at the same time, despite coming in and shopping at different times. it was like something clicked in the air and everybody decided they were done. I noticed this every day, like 2 or 3 times a day, and it was always eerie.
>>4901868I mean yeah if you ever walk through a crowded city on a busy day it's actually amazing that people don't constantly bump into each other, and pic related is just a mild example. There is propably alot of shit going on, mostly sight, some hearing and to a lesser degree smell and hormones or some shit that constantly subconsciously gets processed by our brains to help us navigate shit like that without even thinking about it much
>>4901078Since emergent intelligence in swarms is a result of input-output relationship of its individual parts, it means you have to destroy a sufficient quantity of members for its functions to be impaired. How many that is varies between animals, I could easily see 50% in the case of mosquitoes, maybe more. The alternative is to damage enough of them that they can no longer function, and impair the swarm's ability overall. Poison that does not kill, but incapacitates, is the obvious method, but at that point you could just use a lethal poison, or you could go inside. Swarms are cool, and if they had the capacity to be more developed I could easily see a swarm be an apex predator. But we developed shelter for a reason, and I think that in general swarms are just something our markets encourage us to destroy, for good reason. Weapons that work against them are plentiful, but they are destructive, and every idiot who is plagued by mosquitoes shouldn't be fumigating their backyard. So we are left to simpler tools like mechanical destruction (swatters, salt guns), or simpler poisons (handheld bugspray). Fundamentally a swarm is just a crude logic system where the logic is being carried out by complex entities, and its only 'strength' in this regard is that it is entire decentralised, a swarm can hypothetically exist as long as 2 members of it exists.
what I find interesting how with humans the intelligence drops the bigger the hive is
>>4900966poor lil guy, he was so close to breaking free but one is already out to get him
>>4902069The same way a school of fish can react very quickly because they offload their critical thinking burden onto just paying attention to adjacent fish; so too do humans offload their critical thinking burden onto watching the other members of the swarm. But with humans, our critical thinking is our most highly developed faculty. Left to our own devices we would know to run when we hear the building creaking, but if everyone is cool with it why shouldn't you be? Don't worry about it, if you were in danger your fellow tribe members would warn you.
>>4902063>The alternative is to damage enough of them that they can no longer function, and impair the swarm's ability overall. Poison that does not kill, but incapacitates, is the obvious methodyou got that right brother
>>4902076More insects should make themselves useful like the bee. A creature deserving of the less-than-lethal poison.
>>4902117I think the idea of swarms never really makin it is also interesting, why no apex predator, just because of us? can't really believe thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTk2i5v23PI&ab_channel=TheProdigy-Topic
>>4902355p-p-Piranha!
you can simulate swarms or at least flocks https://ditzbitz.com/hyperboids.html
>>4902063>Swarms are cool, and if they had the capacity to be more developed I could easily see a swarm be an apex predatorHold that thought. Apex swarm? Look into a mirror
>>4903180thanks bro, gonna play around with that for a while
>>4901563>>4901703not him but this post is a bump
Fun Fact: Ant colonies use "swarm intelligence" to solve complex problems like finding the shortest path to food! Each ant follows simple rules and leaves pheromone trails that others follow, forming efficient routes without any leader. This self-organizing behavior is so effective it’s even inspired algorithms for tech solutions like network routing!
>>4901942Normal people look where they are walking to, and other normal people can see where they are looking and can tell from that where to walk to avoid crashing.
>>4905425and how many people are normal according to you?
>>4901942>eyes? Can't use those to avoid walking into other people. Nope. Must be some kind of invisible magic hormones that nobody but me knows about.
How much attention do you really believe the average person pays to their surroundings? Seriously, half the time, people are captured by their smartphones
>>4905874Well, we arent aspergers victims wearing cokw bottle glasses so we can use our peripheral vision. If you weren’t blind you’d still get overstimulated and begin flapping your hands while mumbling something about cats.
Ants are fascinating. Looking at their lives, you'd expect the queen to be some sort of pillar of the colony but they get treated like shit by their own children when the hive suddenly decides that they aren't needed.Queens will eat their own eggs or their own children if they believe that the colony won't survive otherwise or that it won't grow sufficiently (first year for example) but will suddenly get eaten if "something" higher decides that they are superfluous (systems with multiple queens for example)
>>4905881keep playing with me
>>4905881So just to reiterate, in your mind in this human swarm you're either hyper aware of everything and can weave through crowds of people while chewing gum and jerking off without anyone noticing, or you're a drooling fucking retard waving his arms around and talking about your feline fantasy, is that it?
>>4905484A very loose google says roughly 1% of the population has autism so I'd say about 99 people in 100 are normal enough to look where they are going instead of at their shoes or the sky or some random bird or cat
>>4905934are you sure about that? maybe try leaving your house sometimes and look at people instead of getting your answers from google
>>4905989>have you tried ignoring imperial evidence in favor of anecdotal evidence?silly retard lol.
>>4906591how do you even confuse empirical for imperial?
>>4906594It's the Dudeman cunning affect inaction.t. doubles advocate
>>4905989Not sure why you're having a meltdown over a simple fact, large crowds (usually) work without issue because most people have their head and eyes pointed towards the direction they're walking. You can even see this in action for yourself. People tend to avoid someone that's looking around in various directions or staring in a different direction than they're walking. They instinctively give those people a much wider berth than normal because they aren't sure what the hell the aglet inspectors are doing or where they intend to end up.
>>4906668nice one, you completely broke down the concept without getting it, I need to get on some of that shit
>>4900966not so different from humans tbhdesu
>>4900954You forgot to list China.
>>4907161nah that's just wacist, but here are some chinese fireflies if you want to... shit I don't even know what I'm doing anymore
>>4900966so who cannibalizes the one who strayed too far chasing down a lost locust?
