this should be illegal
>>4927104snakes dont have feelings
>>4927105As a higher being I believe its our duty to be kind and compassionate to lesser things.
What if they're feeder snakes?
Tbh it is kinda funny people make a big deal about factory farms but anti-venom places just pack snakes and spiders like sardines
>>4927110why would you provide a beautiful blue sky to a blind animal? same concept
>>4927119Mammals and birds are capable of suffering from those conditions. Snakes and spiders just rest all day even in large terrariums.
>>4927121Snakes aren't blind though. They deserve wide open plains to frolick around in.>>4927119
Snakes on my property spend 99% of their life hiding in rocks
>>4927166You are very, very dumb.
>>4927110I really like this quote because it encompasses what I think the human morality should strive to be
>>4927110Yes, I have a couple of snakes and I let them out to roam, keeping it in a plastic box is horrible
>>4927203You are very very dead
>>4927166Snakes aren’t conscious
>>4927234unfunded claim
>>4927110>Dude just feel compassion for vermin that eat prey whole while suffocating them to deathLol no. Shitty snake goes in a box.
>>4927250Prove snakes are likely to be conscious. Not that they definitely are, but that they show some glimmer of life and have brains structured like one we know is extremely likely to be conscious. Show snakes using any amount of deductive reasoning, engaging in self amusement, doing double takes, apparently coming to a realization while emoting, anything that makes no sense for a procedural automaton. And then point out how their brain compares to an animal that also shows some life, like a crow. Surely you can. Like cats can meet these criteria. As a snakecuck you must hate cats.
>>4927104why should owning a Tupperware collection be illegal?
>>4927165Wrong>>4927312Snakes will actively choose larger enclosures with more to do over smaller bare enclosures. Snakes kept in tubs are also generally less healthy as a whole as well, even if they weren’t conscious of anything that is no reason to sacrifice their healthhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0168159121001118
>>4927105>>4927234>>4927312>>4927270>t.
>>4927316Snakes tend to appear in them, and snakes scare women.
>>4927110Boil lobsters aliveHarvest body parts of rays aliveDeep fry dogsEat your food FRESHWe have no social contract with animals, only their owners
>>4927378btfo
>>4927402People who torture dogs and cats tend to torture people. Get pre-arrested, degenerate.
>>4927378woah there buddy keep it down with the antisemitism
>>4927110They have literally made our lives hell all across human history, pre history and even before humans existed they made our ancestors lives hell they symbolize all evil fuck them
>>4927110Okay, you can start by not killing bacteria. No soap. No disinfectant.After all, we should be kind and compassionate to lesser things. :^)
>>4927104>/an/ is going after snake commie blocks nowhahahaha give me a break
Clarify herpfriends.How long do the snakes typicaly remain in the shelves until they are moved to an enriched display terrarium where their natural expression can be appreciated?
>>4927312I like cats, why on earth would I hate cats?Snakes react to pain, favor injured body parts, has learned behaviors, can recognise different people. It is safer from an ethical standpoint to assume they posess a level of consciousness than to take the anthropocentric misguided standpont and treat them like automatons.
>>4927104agreed, we need a blanket ban on snake ownership
>>4927803Generally they aren’t, those are the reptile equivalent of puppy mills. They just get shuttled around to different owners with racks of plastic drawers for the morph skeem
>>4927105Isn't the reptile brain literally ONLY feelings (and not much cognition?)Isn't that what makes Tengu so strange and special, because their brains are more mammalian and have more executive function?
>>4927104When you say that, this is what I hear:>I care more about the snakes' mental health than your well-being>I value your time when working less than the free time of livestock animals>those dangerous animals' comfort is more important to me than your work efficiency>entertainment for venomous snakes has a higher priority to me than your safety when handling them>my priorities lie with the dozens of snakes held for the production of medical supplies rather than keeping the people who milk them from getting bitten>the size and design of the cage for livestock animals lie closer to my heart than getting the life-saving medicine produced by them to the people who need itIs this what you want to tell the world?
>>4928993Yes Fuck those people, fuck your efficiency, and fuck youThat dumb ass list only makes you look stupid
>>4927119Imagine the free range alternative haha
>>4927378>>4927696
>>4927110
>>4927119Considering how much more dangerous those snakes are than wild snakes it's reasonable. They are hyper aggressive and produce a lot more venom than what's normal.
Here's a snake enclosure for you
>>4930147>Muhammad is an animal abuserLike clockwork
>>4930148wow rude
>>4930147/k/ be like 'nice volley gun'
>>4927104So I’m all for not making animals suffer, but suffering is different for different critters. Snakes tend to just sleep in little holes when not either thermoregulating, hunting, or the like, right? So the big question is how harmful is this for them? Is it harmful at all? Is it some kind of isolation cube prison hell? I honestly don’t know.
>>4928993None of those snakes are venomous or used for antivenom. That is a pet breeder’s setup
if you hear a rattleyou'd best skedaddle
>>4927378Oh you cheeky fucker
>>4927104agreed,not so much more expensive to have larger enclosures for them
>>4927378kek
>>4927805why do you hate birds and love swarms of insects?
>>4927105>>4927234>>4927270>>4927312Lemme guess, you think that because they hunt and kill prey?Listen, I know some of you might think I'm some faggot for sympathizing with animals, even the venomous dangerous ones. But snakes require meat to survive. It's their way of life, they can't just eat veggies. If somebody put you in a cramped room with no stimulation, you would be stressed and uncomfortable. What makes you think snakes don't? They didn't choose to be born a predator.
>>4930418depends on the species, and in some cases even the individual. keeping sand boas and in most cases hognose snakes is apparently like keeping a box of sand and/or dirt that you occasionally feed mice to. Corn snakes are nortorious escape artists because they will probe every single spot in an enclosure they can to try to find stuff to sneak through. Rat snakes have such a reputation for getting themselves into pickles by climbing around on shit that there's a tongue-in-cheek rule of "If a snake is high up somewhere and there's no logical reason for a snake to be there in the first place, it's probably a rat snake."I've kept garter snakes for a bit, and I've had ones that tended to keep to themselves, and ones that are hyperexploratory (which isnt hunting behavior, she would actually completely ignore food because she wanted to run around more), and ones that explore sometimes and chill out others. One of them regularly watches TV, by which I mean she will go out of her way to climb somewhere there is no reason to be other the the view and watch for a few hours. Anyone peddling the biorobot meme has had no actual experience with reptiles and is just doing extended console war shit.
>>4930803are you insane?
>>4927104They're just snakes though.
>>4927698this is literally a jewish lie
