Why are prey animals like this despite often being larger, stronger and more numerous?
>>4928965because they can't afford to get wounded
>>4928965Why are predators often like this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfo233Q6aOg
>>4928965Even if a buffalo could snap an entire wolf unit in two it would still get wounded in the process and it's simply not worth it when he can just run away and avoid the dangers of combat altogether
Why are animals praying like this?
>>4928972>>4928981This, for herbivores violence is an option, this is a luxury in a world without doctors.This is also why carnivores more often defend themselves when being predated on, they already get into fights for survival, what's one more?
>>4929003>This is also why carnivores more often defend themselves when being predated on, they already get into fights for survival, what's one more?But this is why even apex predators will often go after young or infirm animals, because the healthy adult herbivores often will fight back and are capable of severely injuring the predator.
https://youtu.be/1DgPkol3t8Y?si=QI2w7WtzR98X0TrLDepends on the context how hopeless the situation is for the calf.
>>4929003>This is also why carnivores more often defend themselvesEh, carnivores also choose their battles to avoid getting wounded. They tend to go after weaker prey, and usually back down if challenged. They don't want to get injured either. To be honest, I've never heard of a group of hunters casually walking up to a moose or a hippo and stealing their grass.
>>4928976Male brain. Would have killed and ate the female too if it lingered around.
>>4929016>>4929036Oh of course, they'll always take the path of least resistance, but apart from scavenging and unprotected kill, a predator will always have some sort of a struggle on their hands when they need to get food. they're more naturally inclined to take the fight option than a herbivore, if only because they're simply more well equipped to fight.
>shoot a deer, deer runs>shoot a coyote, it will spin trying to bite at the wound
>>4928982It's a mantisfly praying it'll find a spider's egg sac to lay its eggs into, in order for its young to feed on the spider eggs!
>>4929254That's disgusting! God would never answer that prayer!
>>4929254>>4929255Fun fact: Ichneumon wasps made Darwin doubt God existed.>I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars.
>>4928965Bison are especialy boneheaded. Most herbivores will fight for their young fiercely.
>>4928976He's fucking hungry
>>4929069Coyotes are dumb pests yes
>>4928976
takes monumentally more energy and resources to live all the way into adulthood than to just fuck and have another kid
>>4928976>Mother gives up when she sees cub is a lost causeThis seems to be the case for all animals except humans, we're the only ones I know that will still act aggressive even if the child is dead or in an impossible situation to save. I wonder why that is
>>4929069>shoot a deer, it runs and provides a thrilling hunt>shoot a human>it clutches the wound and starts screaming and thrashing around like a coyoteHumans considered inferior to deerSomeone let the psychopaths know they chose the wrong hobby Or does this mean coyote hunters are just self-managing psychopaths tamping their bloodlust down because canids act enough like people and have humanlike facial expressions and social behaviors so they dont want to hunt hobos and hitchhikers as badly>let animal roam unsupervised>it gets eaten>code of conduct satisfied, they deserve it as a species>use this as an excuse to go out gut shotting random predators>dexter theme.mp3Well, the only wolf hunter, turned yote killer, i ever knew beat his wife bad enough to lose his guns (but still has guns) and his estranged kids called him a psycho, so, probably. Coyote hunters even seem to have some overlap with mass shooters>prefer ar15s>are more excited by many kills in a row>have minimal hunting ethics, dont care about clean ethical kills, want to see suffering through their scope>no qualms about killing babies>watch and read about killing for self satisfaction, spend hours watching videos of other nuts shooting coyotes>do not consider therapy and nonviolent options ever>coyotes are always at fault, not them for releasing a domesticated cat into an open field>typically socially isolated and right wing>prefer ambush tactics
>>4928976bears are like cats, they have no intelligence whatsoever and are pure instinct
>>4930417Mentally retarded vegan activist with no friends who hates humans said things.
>>4929529Darwin sounds like a fucking pussy
>>4930568>takes monumentally more energy and resources to live all the way into adulthood than to just fuck and have another kidYou sound like an apathetic psychopath autistic that loves the Aliens movies because you are basically an inhuman alien.
>>4930407Here's a pack of wild dogs collectively deciding to fuck up a leopard that killed a pup. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ATElRdBKngAfrican wild dogs have stronger social bonds than both lions and hyenas. With such behaviour it's not a surprise we chose a wolf-like canid to be our companions.
>>4930733>the leopard escapedLesson learned, I'd imagine.
>>4930733In a documentary older pups killed an entire generation of newly born pups because a bitch gave birth at the wrong time.In the end of the day they are dumb animals too.
>>4930417The point was the instinctive reaction to pain for deer was to run the canine was to fight.
>>4928965I guess you never watched the Battle of Kruger, the buffalo ran away to get back up and then fucked the lions up. The calf ended up being rescued but probably died from being the rope in a tug of war between a gator and pride of lions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MtF38uyImYOpinions on this vid? Did the buffalo realy try to get his herd member on his feet?
>>4930977>>4928965Cape buffalo are built differenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo0qpVlClSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9w0OadktGI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW4G_nWJYZA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvWMuJO4Vschttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVrLYHFN-3c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYeW9Y3Whaw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ffyhJBFHEI https://youtu.be/qhKBcNQpEro?si=sN9iVH7ckvHcUDAV&t=468https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me2IIVhYdok
>>4930978The way they coordinate the attacks and stand up for even fellow bulls not just young, they don't seem any less intelligent than their predators.>https://youtu.be/qhKBcNQpEro?si=lOj3veUi0hQiyuEM&t=618Crazy how this lion fought until it's last breath.
>>4930970The Buffalo won. Even a croc showed up to mog the lions as well.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4lHtb-Uanw
>>4931006That lioness is dying from hunger. Too bad the buffalo didn't go further and end her misery.
>>4928965https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6qzsZB_5HUEvery african herbivore fights fiercely to protect their young.They are k strategists.
>>4928965Read the selfish gene
>>4930733It's interesting that the leopard rolls on his back when he is sorrounded by the pack. So this isn't just a submissive gesture but basically being able to use all four limbs as weapons or what? I thought not exposing the belly is kinda important
>>4931170Felines have primordial pouches making this defense more effective.
>>4930912It's exceedingly rare for African wild dogs to engage in intra-species conflict, cannibalism or infanticide. Lions and Hyenas meanwhile do these foul deeds all the time. Dog-like > Cat-like as usual.
>>4931219beautiful
>>4928976>takes pics instead of helpingWhy are humans often like this?
>>4929529This thing is my reason why evil races should be a thing on fantasy, They are cruel for the sake of it
>>4931170>use all four limbs as weapons or what?Yep, essentially a 'catch these hands' technique. If they try to go for the belly they're getting a faceful of claws like in vid relatedhttps://youtu.be/E9FtGIx1zsc?si=_4kh-Qw6wXOb8ks3
>>4930407Anon, if you killed a bear cub in front of a mother bear, do you think she'd actually be chill once she realized it was dead or she'd rip your head off anyway?You can't read an animals emotions on their face or in their voice and they cant display them in a way you understand so you see them as emotionless robots. Doesn't mean they aren't pissed when you kill their kid.Beyond that though most animals exist on a spectrum where one side is 'Min effort, max quantiy' and the other is 'Max effort, min quantity'. Something that lays 400 eggs is not going to care so much about losing one because losing some kids is the strategy. Think tall vs wide. Humans exist very far into tall since it takes over a decade to raise an adult human. Intelligent animals tend to because generally you need to teach the offspring how to use it's intelligence and they tend to develop stronger bonds. Not coincidentally you also see the weirder behaviour around death there. Elephants or whales are probably closest to humans in that respect. Elephants will mourn their dead and visit gravesites. Whales carrying around dead young is not unusual as they mourn. Hell, the main threat to whale kids orca. Result is whales fucking hate orca and hold serious grudges; bull Sperm Whales will attack them just to fuck with them and adult Humpback Whales will happily intervene to rescue other animals from orca just because fuck orca.
>>4931246Not for the sake of it, they need to be cruel to survive. But what they do is moreso cruel to us, not to them. To them it's just natural. People neglect how different species would have entirely different philosophies regarding morality and such considering how different their livestyles would have been.
>>4931336Oh right, post-modernist moral relativism, but applied to insects...Holy shit are you stupid.>To them it's just natural.Yep, serial killing is natural to serial killers.>>4931336>People neglect how different species would have entirely different philosophies regarding moralityHuman - Doesn't want to die.Cat - Doesn't want to dieFish - Doesn't want to dieMaggot - Doesn't want to die.Ah yeah, totally different dude. Absolutely nothing in common.Why can't you guys just think for once?Just once...
>>4930200I wonder what became of him
>>4931345probably killed himself.He lived so you could meme.
>>4931240Go take a polar bear's meal away and see what happens
>>4931342No, they only need to be robots that have sensors that make them avoid damage and seek nourishment. they dont need to not want to die or even be conscious of anything let alone the function pain and pleasure serve. Consciousness comes later. kill a fish in view of another fish and see if it fears you. It wont. A maggot certainly wont. this only really gets a reaction from pigs, dogs, and smarter. Maybe some cats but i have seen a cat greet and sniff a dog that just killed another cat while it watched so probably just above average cats. Oddly no reaction from cows despite their supposed intelligence.
>>4931360Consciousness came first. Pain came after, to scare the consciousness.
>>4931342psychopathy has species lines. you cant diagnose a deer hunter as a psycho or call them a murderer. it doesnt work, at all. the only criminal correlation ever found with killing deer was senior pranks (more masculine individuals engage in more mischief). you cant call a wolf a serial killer of deer. just a hunter. they remain normal and as moral as any of us. simply because not all life had the same value and hinduism/buddhism are lies told to autistic slave races to keep them calm.
>>4931361Provably not how it works. The most primitive animals have no consciousness. They have the same complexity as a robot with a wall avoidance algorithm.
>>4931364You can explain away humans too as a complex machine without the need of consciousness.
>>4931369You can also point to the complex brain structures integrating a richer experience to the point that our mere existence controls quantum physics and can make electrons teleport through walls.
>>4931360I don't care if an animal is conscious of anything or not. It changes absolutely nothing autismos.Same reason I don't care if a serial killer is mentally disabled or not. They are still a serial killer.>>4931363>you cant diagnose a deer hunter as a psycho or call them a murderer.BECAUSE THE DEER HUNTER ISN'T MURDERING ANOTHER HUMAN FOR NO REASON YOU IDIOT. HOW DO YOU NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT THE WORD "MURDER" MEANS?Jesus fucking christ. A wolf that kills it's whole family is evil just a man who kills their wife and children is evil.
>>4930417The human response to injury makes more sense when you remember we are social tribalistic creatures who have a much greater capacity to help each other than dumb animals with hooves and claws can. Putting on a show like that makes it very clear to anyone nearby that the person is hurt and needs help
>>4931399A wolf that kills a whole deer family is putting food in the freezerA wolf that kills a whole other pack of wolves is getting rid of illegal yewish colonists and reclaiming the ancestral homeland of the oakstians.A wolf that kills its whole family is pretty fucked yeah, but remember, the lions aren't killing their own family either. They're killing other lions that they perceive like we perceive mudslimes and jews (a parasitic threat to our own well being) and that perception is more immediately justified because other lions will gladly do the same to them, immediately, and violently, instead of slowly subverting society, eradicating the moral base, and encouraging white children to sterilize themselves while telling white women, especially upper class and intelligent white women, that all sex is rape and healthy diets for child development are evil psychopathy.
>>4931409>but remember, the lions aren't killing their own family eitherIt's literally normal for them to eat their own offspring.
>>4931418It's normal to eat dead offspring. Wolves also cannibalise dead wolves. Eating the dead family members is even a thing in some human cultures.
>>4931420>>4931409lmao, cope>Infanticide in lions is common, and here we will briefly look into the theories as to why lions, both males and females, commit such an act.>In fact, it is estimated that a quarter of cubs dying in the first year of life are victims of infanticide (Packer & Pusey, 1984).>Jason’s experience in the Sabi Sand and keen interest for Big Cats also refers us experiences with the Mapogos. He says, “I have, on a number of occasions, witnessed lions feeding on another lion. If a lion is caught outside of its territory and killed it is often eaten by the attacking pride/lion. In the Sabi Sand, the well-known Mapogo coalition of 6 males killed and ate many lionesses, often even ‘raping’ them in the process as a show of dominance.”
>>4931421So it's either rival prides or a make taking over a pride, everyone knew about that. Rival wolf packs will destroy a den of puppies.
>>4931491No it's lions, MOTHERS, eating their own offspring.
>>4931509Makes more sense to eat them for survival than just throw them out to die for financial gain like humans desuhttps://newsroom.taylorandfrancisgroup.com/new-findings-suggest-historical-infanticide-in-europe-likely-more-widespread-than-estimated/lions are more civilized than people. they act to survive, not to get richer.
>>4931551>lions are more civilized than peopleLions aren't capable of civilization
>>4931240So says the male is in the wrong?
>>4928976This "mama bear" type shit is largely bullshit skewed by documentaries, male bears are ridicolously larger and bigger than females so more often than not mothers the mom will obviously try to stop the male from killing her cub but not so much that she gives him a reason to turn around and rip her apart
>>4931256leopards seem universally hated by other predators. Seems like the lions just wanted to kill him for the fuck of it, they didn't even eat him. And there wasn't even a sob story like with the dogs about the leopard killing one of their offspring or something
>>4931240Don't meddle in nature unless it's to undo an issue caused by man, these things have been happening for hundreds of millions of years before our species picked up its first rock. It seems cruel, but nature is cruel.
>>4931219Except the dominant female will devour the pups of subordinate females if they breed.
>>4931622I've noticed that predators who compete with each other for food will just leave that predator dead and not really eat it.
>>4931707>"there is a belief that alpha females won’t allow litters born to subordinate females to survive. We have found this to be false; what has happened is, the alpha female has taken the beta female’s pups into her own den, caring for them"https://www.wildernessdestinations.com/journal/wildlife/wild-dog-dynamics-in-the-okavango-delta
>>4931370QRD?
>>4931408this
>>4931551ok, we get the message you're a degen furry
>>4929529yellow-jackets and friends are pretty much the only wasps that ain't some flavor of bodyhorror
>>4931712https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229857893_Dominant_female_cannibalism_in_the_African_wild_dogThey either accept them or take them as chew toys
>>4931833>2001
>>4931622https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AbePFPFTcsLions kill all other predators as a hobby.
>>4931908CAW CAW CAW
>>4928965nature
>>4931912Eagles don't make that sound, are you retarded?
>>4931912>Martial eaglethey are just as happy to destroy the endangered lycaon pictus pups.
>>4931908damn, now I get the king of the jungle meme. Those two other wild dogs were like:>l-let's at least pretend to do something? jumping around a little? nah, he's gone, I ain't touching that...
>>4931912that lion cub is shitting itself
>>4931930Sometimes it works because big cats are big dumb>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeYLAHB0d5U>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-DWmNnnWbEAnd when the right opportunity arises African wild dogs will brazenly mess with muh king of the jungle. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIFhyMvLgHo
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NMoTEu-DJwkHim facing a fucking swarm of lions just to save a bro
The only tactics that work against african wild dogs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIxfHym6jiM
>>4931952>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NMoTEu-DJwkbased Buffalo bro
>>4928965predators act like that too
>>4931240>come to the cub's aid>the male eats you instead>the female and her cub run off and leave you for dead
>>4931240YOU go save the polar bear cub from the adult polar bear that wants to eat it and let us know how it goes
