People are sleeping on these kings. Everyone knows about plants and animals. Some smarty pantses know that fungi are neither.But only the wisest know kelp isn't a plant. Protists deserve more credit!Post about slime molds, macroalgae, and all your favorite fruiting bodies here.
>>4931731protista hasn't been a real taxon since World War II
>>4931731stramenopiles my beloved
>didn't mention euglena
>>4931746It's still an informal wastebin taxon because it's easier to say protista than "any eukaryote that isn't an animal, plant, or fungus." Learn to use popular vernacular even if it's paraphyletic nerd.
>>4931757>It's still an informal wastebin taxonnope.a taxon is formal, there is no such thing as an informal taxon.
>>4931760
>>4931766Yes, that's not a taxon
>>4931769Quit being a pedant
>>4931774OP posted to show off his pedantic knowledge and got it wrong.
>>4931776I'm not OP, >>4931757 was me. Telling you to stop being a snarky jackass talking about "erm akhtually protists aren't a thing." Isn't being pedantic.
>>4931776Also I did get it right. Wastebin taxons are automatically informal.
>>4931777so what?OP was being a pedantic bitch and still managed to get it wrong.I corrected him in the same pedantic spirit he originally posted inyou butted in because you're an idiot.
>>4931779>Wastebin taxons are automatically informal.there's no such thing as an informal taxonall taxa are formal taxa
>>4931780Talking about protists isn't being pedantic what the fuck are you talking about? Being a pedant is being a rigid stickler for formality to the point of ridiculousness. Like I said in my original post, calling the thread /protista/ general rolls off the tongue a lot better than /anyeukaryotethatisn'tananimalplantorfungus/ general.>>4931781Also I like how you call me an idiot when you don't even know the definition of a wastebin taxon. Kill yourself. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wastebasket_taxon
>>4931757Pedantism aside, how do modern microbiologists classify organisms in Protista then? Off the top of my of my head I know a clade is effectively a sister-branch to plants though that might have been green algae?
>>4931783>you don't even know the definition of a wastebin taxonthat's not a taxon.stop trying to bring long dead taxa back to life. It makes you sound like some victorian grandmother
>>4931784The three major groups of eukaryotes have several defining characteristics. Animals, plants, and fungi (except for yeast) are all multicellular for instance. If a eukaryote is unicellular then it would probably be referred to as a protist informally. There's other critera for the main three which help differentiate red/brown algae and slime molds from plants and fungi specifically although I don't know them at the top of my head.>>4931785Dumb fuck, you know words don't have to be strictly by their exact definition all the goddamn time right? Acedemics still use the term wastebin taxon, even though it's not a formal taxon, BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND CONCISE AS A FORMER TAXON YOU FUCKING BRAINLET.
>>4931790>Acedemics still use the term wastebin taxon,but we don't use the nameI don't go posting "Reptilia" and trying to pass it off as a real thing. That would be stupid and make me sound like someone from the 1800'sI definitely wouldn't post an almost 100 year out of date former taxonomic name as a way to show off like OP is trying to do.
>>4931797>we
>>4931731You forgot to point out that there would be a lot more kelp forests along North America's Pacific coast if the fur trade hadn't decimated the sea otter population. Sea otters prevent the urchins from destroying the kelp forests.
>>4931746t. seething fungus
>>4931776>show off>>4931797>show offnormies can't in2 protists, they always REEEEEEEE
>>4931769>>4931774Somehow people still manage to fight about something. It's a group, not a taxon. Debate over. Post protists now.
just look at this shit
>ooh that looks tasty
>>4931870>It's a group, not a taxon.it WAS a groupabout 75 years ago.
>>4931920Actually more like an adjective than anything.>unicellular>eukaryotic"yeah thats a protist"
>>4931790>which help differentiate red/brown algae and slime molds from plants and fungiAlgae aren't even a monophyletic grouping though some do seem to be considerably closer to each other than others. Totally forgot about slime molds, I thought at first they were closely related to Fungi in the eukaryote evolutionary tree, nope, they're amoebozoa, Fungi are closer to Animals with both being Opisthokonts.>>4931816Another ecological fuck-up. Reminds me of the wolf and deep situation in Yellowstone. Would it be possible to introduce sea otters to restore the kelp forests?
>>4932233>Would it be possible to introduce sea otters to restore the kelp forests?There are groups that want to bring sea otters back to the Oregon coast, like the Elakha Alliance. If you wanted kelp forests back where urchin barrens exist, you'd have to manually add some kelp (aquariums can breed kelp nowadays, so this is possible), add sea otters, and remove some of the urchins to prevent them from destroying the kelp again before the otters re-established a foothold. It's doable but would require some effort.
>>4931731The kelp forest exhibit at MBA is so cool
>>4931731True fact most people aren't aware of: almost ALL parasitic diseases in aquarium fish are caused by one form or another of brown algae. Even fish "fungus" is actually Saprolegnia, which is a SAR member (the complicated taxon that includes all "brown algae").
>>4931784Very complicatedly. And under constant revision.
>>4931816Orcas also fuck up sea otter populations and lead directly to kelp forest crashes.
>>4931893Slime molds are genuinely so retarded.
>>4934633They did the same with Japanese subways, pretty neat.
>>4934633The slime mold obviously can't know about terrain being a limiting factor because the gel plate USA it was placed on was flat. But even on a plate with accurate topography, I'm afraid slime molds are too unaware of trains (or the building of structures to accomodate for trains) to figure this one out for us.
>>4934674It's probably good as a general guideline, not a 1-1 copy.
>>4934633They're amoebas. The fuck did you expect?
>>4934304tbf orcas didn't start preying on sea otters until their usual cetacean prey was depleted by the whaling industry. Then they moved on to preying on seals, then sea lions, and then finally sea otters.Whaling industry fucked up the entire ecosystem balance.
