What if orcas are actually smarter than us but they simply lack the environment and biology to develop civilization?
thats a meaningless question because intelligence is not quantifiable like a video game stat. in many ways they can be considered more intelligent than us, or vice versa. you also assume civilisation is desirable to all forms of intelligence
>>4932138Where's the evidence orcas are as intelligent as great apes like chimps, much less humans?
If they are so intelligent, why don't they move to a better environment?
>>4932185>you also assume civilisation is desirable to all forms of intelligenceI never thought of it this way, practically everything about society is intentionally there to stop me from having sex and spreading my genes, down to the hookers I'm able to impregnate not being able to afford to raise my bastard child
>>4932188Cortical neurons son Orca - 21,000,000,000Human - 16,340,000,000Pilot whale - 13,966,000,000Bottlenose dolphin - 12,700,000,000Beluga - 10,000,000,000Sea otter - 10,000,000,000Western gorilla - 9,100,000,000Orangutan - 8,900,000,000Chimpanzee - 7,400,000,000Asian elephant - 6,775,000,000Bonobo - 6,250,000,000Blue whale - 5,000,000,000
>>4932204apparently it's mostly sonar
>>4932270human neurons are wasted on wet mouth noises, what stupid apes
>>4932185>you also assume civilisation is desirable to all forms of intelligenceIt's a broken ability. so far only a handful of species have evolved it, and all of them have been very successful.
>>4932452Which ones have civilization besides humans?
>>4932455ants, and termites. They are different species.
marine life is mysterious
>>4932204>Cortical neuronsI would have listed the number of cortical meganeurons instead.For example, a pilot whale has 13,966 meganeurons.
>>4932204I've seen neuron counts used as a hard INT stat around here so much, I'm starting to get some neuron deactivation myself whenever it comes up
>>4932688Cortical neurons are a hard int stat if the brains and animals capabilities are comparable and the neurons are in the right place. So a cat is definitely dumber than a dog, Both have a pretty standard carnivoran brain layout, both are terrestrial quadrupeds, both are carnivores. A dog just has extra - extra intelligence, extra social abilities. This is further supported by the dogs frontal lobes being more developed than the cats, rather than all the added neurons going to visual processing or something.They totally fall apart as even half of an int stat if animals are incomparable.A cetacean has a proportionally smaller frontal lobe than a primate, way smaller proportionally than a human, and has extensive structures for processing sonar, plus a mystery paralimbic system, and its von economo neurons are sparser and less well organized than ours. We don't know what the paralimbic system actually does, but it's wired into bits of the brain generally associated with empathy and spatial intelligence so you could guess that it somehow help with navigation, or, that it means cetaceans do not need to consciously think or practice to synchronize their behavior and just automatically feel it out, which would explain, well, how uniquely good they are at synchronizing their behavior.it is entirely likely that bottlenose dolphins are less intelligent than sea otters and significantly less intelligent than orangutans and chimps. Most claims that they have language or are super smart are dubious at best and seem to come from people who are easily preoccupied by dolphin sexuality and comparing it to our own. High expectations for dolphins are, historically, rooted in programs where dolphins were sexually abused. So really, these fuckers juts want to bone a whale.
>>4932204Holy shit give them opposable thumbs and they'll invent FTL spaceships in no time.
>>4932138Maybe orcas are actually smarter than us and simply know to live in harmony with the environment and biology.Maybe orcas wonder how humans can be so smart yet be so stupid to develop civilization.
>>4932204>Orangs behind gorillas by a smidgefuck no, my favorite boys cant be the 3rd place ape
