What causes someone to want to torture animals in the first place is what I want to know.

>>5098166
sadism

>>5098166
genes

You are born with torturer genes you will enjoy torturing animals

Feminism "let's all love each other" won't stop it.
School, education, societal values do not stop it.

Someone born with torturer genes will try to shape society into their torture playground.

Only vigilance works - preemptive vigilance, trying to catch abusers while they abuse in close quarters, and trying also to catch abusers once an animal body is found.

Nothing else works

>>5098172
These people need a bullet to the head

>>5098159
Sorry, but if there’s a law on the books that says my dog cant kill trespassing cats I will never support this bullshit.
Cats are pests.
Cats are prey.
They are equal to rats.

cats are legally pests past certain hours, free to "remove" as see fit

:^)

>>5098159
oh boy more ways for deranged cat worshipers to try and have dogs killed for hunting their free range vermin
>cat kills endangered bird anywhere: yass kitty slayyy!
>dog removes cat from its property: unhh a child will be next because i like cats and hate dogs
>dog removes rat/rabbit/etc from its property: suddenly its ok

>>5098185
>These people need a bullet to the head

Thank you for your low IQ contribution post.

How are you going to give them "a bullet to the head" if most animal abusers do so in complete secrecy? Looks like you need a way to find them despite their attempts at secrecy, no?

Is that not the entirety 100% of the problem animals are facing right now? That they are being tortured by these people but we don't even know who and where it is happening?

Looks like you can't put a bullet to their heads now can you champ? You are gonna have to find them first

>>5098159
How was this already not illegal?

>we must have total control over all pets in order to stop a tiny minority of sadists who would never get caught by this scheme because they'd just move on to killing rodents or something

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End china cat torture. Fuck the zoosadists on here
http://www.felineguardians.org/

>>5098448
More like free alley cats

So like rodents but slightly bigger

>>5098454
Or maybe they just own dogs and don’t want them killed for doing whats natural and eating “stray” cats owner by vengeful toxobrains >that shouldnt even be outside to begin with

>>5098457
Oh look its the toxo spammer again. I'm sure it's actually about toxoplasmosis and not you being a shrimp dicked incel

>>5098460
>common 4chan meme
>is this one guy spamming?
go back to your home site lady

return for the cats, stay for the empathy

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Your average cat hater looks like a melted baby

>>5098159
This isn't going to stop the torturers because they steal them from other people.

>>5098448
>let´s just let some animal torture perpetrated by humans exist, it´s just a little bit

humans were a mistake

And it´s not even a "tiny minority", it´s pretty vast

Most cat torture takes place in china because its completely legal there and the authorities do nothing. The EU should be lobbying china to change their laws
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/30/asia/china-cat-deleters-torture-intl-hnk-dst

>>5098470
>The EU should be lobbying china to change their laws

problem is first the people must pressure the EU government to do that. Politicians are souless and do not care for animal abuse - they are likely a big % of their biggest practicioners.

More normies need to be exposed to this shit on instagram. Pewdiepie, jontron and davie504 must do a video on this or something

>>5098467
Give humans a little power for good and they will redefine good quickly

>>5098468
It is a tiny minority, 99.999999% of pet owners are not crush fetishists. Even among animal abusers, it's still 99.9% non-crush.
"Register all dogs and cats, fine anyone who fails to register them" will solve nothing.

>>5098487
>just do nothing ;)

sure buddy, if a sicko kidnaps you and tortures your balls for your entire lifetime, feeding you forcibly so you can't even die, we'll be sure to do nothing since "it´s only a tiny minority"

you are the spider meme saying "not all spiders are bad man" turns out you are a spider.

You are an animal abuser aren't you faggot?

>>5098172
>>5098185
Northern euros did a.much better job at keeping psychopaths from breeding, it's why whites commit less animal cruelty than nonwhites

>>5098490
You think this only impacts abusers? It’s excessive state overreach.

Whats next? Compulsory early desexing, causing health issues in pets for the heccin greater good? Like anons said, unfair laws punishing responsible dog owners and their dogs and favoring the ecological damage and disease of roaming cats? Absurd fees? Maybe they will eve mandate roaming cats! Some europeans want to! All for what?

Zoosadists will get stray animals from the woods and rural areas where enforcement is and ways be nil (the europeans cant even prosecute muslim rapists in cities) or move past your sacred cow and torture ferrets or livestock.

Bureaucracy is always the wrong answer. It doesn’t help. It just gives the state more power.

>>5098159
cool now chang al muhammad will just leave tuna under a box and steal someone elses pet oh wait he already does

rfid chips are easy to destroy if you have no intention of keeping the animal alive and healthy. this only causes issues for normal people.

>>5098504
you are literally a psychopath with no empathy

I'm not memeing, I'm stating a fact you are likely unaware of

Bureaucracy is also what is keeping you from being tortured by a pack of feral humans right now or to come into your house and steal your shit right now.

Feel free to move to an african "country" with zero laws/bureacracy if you believe in what you say, or stay here and admit this simple fact:

>animals need the exact same laws, procedures and agencies in place that we have to protect humans

the end

>>5098516
>dont give the state more power they will do something stupid with it. its not even achieving your goal because there are unregistered and stolen animals.
>psychopath!
Lol.
Non argument.
>animals need the exact same laws, procedures and agencies in place that we have to protect humans
Animals are not humans. They are property. We eat them. They eat them.

This is absurd and opens the door to insane shit like having dogs executed for eating cats (their natural food source) and stringently enforced castrations and absued fees, but doesnt stop chang from stealing animals and cooking the RFID chip or acquiring unregistered ones.

How about if your neighbor reports you have an animal, you’re subject to welfare checks.

That would help. But the EU is using chips because what they really want is to collect tax money and pass retarded laws because their politicians are women and jews.

>>5098516
>if you don't support government tyranny, you're a psychopath
Lol
lmao even
It's like the Epstein shit.
>no, you gotta have mandatory digital id, to protect the heckin children
Meanwhile, on pedo island, all those same politicians are fucking children. And in the case of animal abuse, you have these same politicians no doubt using shock collars on dogs or animal sacrifice in their dumb rituals.
"But muh children" doesn't work anymore. Fuck your mandatory pet registry.

>>5098189
They eat rats you fucking retard

>>5098527
>Meanwhile, on pedo island, all those same politicians are fucking children

And they are now caught because of all the laws and practices we have to protect children, and the fact people were vigillant over that stuff talking about that people in power may have had the upper hand in being able to abuse children and we needed to look more into that

Now we must do the same for animals

Any law, practice, procedure, agency, cultural norm that exists to protect humans, must also exist for animals

deal with it chump - if it exists for humans, it must equally exist for animals

>>5098166
Power over a helpless being without the problem of having to hide a human body. If you get caught is a lesser crimen than murder.

>>5098496
No, they just choose the serial killers instead.

>>5098484
Yes, I've been working on that. Every time I make a thread on here, instead of people working to spread the word like old 4chan did, it gets filled with the toxo spammer and other incels posts and then a janny deletes it. Always with a different reason because theyre in league with the zoosadists too

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>>5098595
>Now we must do the same for animals
>
>Any law, practice, procedure, agency, cultural norm that exists to protect humans, must also exist for animals

>>5098595
No they are caught because someone squealed about Jeff. No one in the files has been charged.

Rfid chips arent helping shit. Its so you cant evade loicensing fees or draconian neutering laws and so woman politicians can make it more likely peoples dogs will be executed for eating pest cats. Sadists can cook chips easily. I adopted my last 2 cats by catching outdoor cats and scrambling their chips with a flipper0. Sadists would just use a knife to extract it and chop them up into compost after they died because cats are like 10lbs.

>>5098580
Rarely

cats need less protections, not more.
take care of your own pet. ferals and strays shitting up the environment not be tolerated.

>>5098159
Considering it's likely mostly a western audience, I would say based. There are steps we can take to at least lessen the audience.

>>5098166
It's most popular in SEA and East Asian countries. Mongoloid genetics.

>>5098453
How do you even go about ending animal torture in china when it is an integral part of their "culture"?

>>5098829
Chinesr activists are working day and night to stop this.

Oh abd for the cat hating faggots here: they also torture dogs, squirrels, hamsters, guinea pigs etc. In ways more brutal than cartel videos

>>5098844
Seems like an uphill battle but i wish them success

>>5098829
>>5098844
>>5098997

It's not an uphill battle

One pewdiepie video ends all of this. Normies must know, that is all. Currently they do not

>>5099027
China has most of youtube blocked.

>>5099027
>a pewdiepie video will rewrite han chinese genetics
someone needs to remind the swedes they do not have magical powers. they already tried using a pewdiepie video to lower the rape rate.

the chinese tend to not even help people during car accidents, they're not going to care about a few animals

>>5098166
>>5098172
Inclined to agree. People are born with different hardware, that's why there are different clearly definable neurotypes, and certain people who seem totally 'normal' and functional can have an underlying schizotypal disorder that just fucking triggers one day post-pubescence with or without a traumatic catalyst.

There's something about certain peoples brains that leads to things like torturing animals and children which frankly goes beyond the line of what should be considered rehabilitatable (it's a real word lmao) and offenders should be sterilized on first proven offense, then euthanised on the second. There's no incentive to pour taxpayer money into keeping them alive in prisons because their brains are so fundamentally broken, on an animal level, that they will never overcome and contribute to society thereafter.

>>5098189
Rats have been consistently observed to show empathy for other rats. I agree with you on your dog being allowed to kill trespassing cats because outdoor cats are a terrible pest and the dog shouldn't be labelled dangerous and euthanized as a result, but it's clearly a very different topic to direct human-inflicted animal torture ya silly chud.

>>5098716
You don't think there's a pretty big contextual difference between, say, someone shooting a dozen feral cats, and someone getting an erection while they hold down a live cat and dig it's eyebalks out with a screwdriver while filming it?

>>5098159
it would be faster just to deport all the brown people doing it.

>>5098166
Low IQ correlates with low empathy, because empathy is an excercise in abstraction. It's why 3rd world countries are rife with animal and child abuse, the perpetrators are physically incapable of understanding why it's bad to hurt smaller weaker beings for pleasure because their brains can't process the idea of being in another person's shoes. You see something similar in prisons when they interview the most violent criminals, who all happen to be low IQ, it's where the meme about having breakfast comes from.

>>5099171
Brother, the most notorious chinese torture video creator had a high position in a bank, if anything that's guaranteed a high iq humanoid.

IQ =/= humanity, a downie can have more empathy than a highly succesful educated person

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>>5099170
white people do it too, just as much as all other countries

>>5098166
I barely understand why people hunt and fish still. Animal abuse is fucking baffling to me.

>>5099427
Do animal abusers get raped and mutilated in prison like pedos?

>>5099752
reminder that 99.0% of animal torturers never go to jail since they are never caught since animal registry and animal autopsies are not a thing, and that is precisely the problem

>>5098829
very easily, by ending chinese people

>>5099885
what your law doesnt help with:
chang steals a roaming animal or buys a stolen animal or whatever
chang cuts out the microchip
chang smashes it with a hammer
chang tortures and kills the animal
chang chops up the animal and it's missing forever

what your law does:
makes it easier to have dogs executed for destroying roaming cats because both are registered and it's hard for an honest person to get away with something that shouldn't be criminal (dogs naturally eat cats, and cats dont belong outdoors anyways, but female lawmakers dont want it to be that way)
makes it easier for the state to impose sterilization requirements, ceding the animal supply to breeders who are notorious for producing horrid unnatural animals that live half as long as they should and are neurotic and disgusting
makes it easier for the state to impose insanely high taxes on pet ownership while yammering on about the climate (but not coal power or private jets) and some absurd neo-liberal vegan ideology
makes it easier for the state to ban owning animals

>>5099174
>downie can have more empathy than a highly succesful educated person
Actually don't downies have a heightened empathy with animals? I know some kind of retard does.

>>5099953
Well yeah but sadly that isn't happening

>>5099956
yadda yadda

Every single law we have for humans and children especially, we must copy/paste to equally protect animals. Anything else is mental masturbation and fakeness

If we develop a strategy for protecting children - which are just like animals, especially in the case of children too young or retarded children which like animals cannot speak/defend themselves - , then we must employ the very same thing for animals

the end

if humanity will not protect animals then it should be erased swiftly , because it is humans who are torturing animals, nothing else. Nature has its fair share of torture moments but nothing like what human torture achieves

>>5100122
>we must copy/paste to equally protect animals.
no. that's ridiculous and a waste of money

>>5098166
Judaism

>>5100127
>it's ridiculous and a waste of money to protect puppies from torture

you are legitimately evil

You have more in common with a sociopath, a psychopath, than someone who genuinely feels empathy. You understand pain, you understand you cannot bear it, but you cannot care/understand when others feel that pain

Before you try to reply: go to the kitchen, get a knife, start putting it inside your anus, under your finger nails, cut some parts of your fingers off, part of your dick off, as people do to the puppies.

You can't? Then don't bother replying with more attempts at denial, you clearly understood my point

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>>5100454
animals aren't people and don't deserve the same resources and effort, especially when that same effort and resources could be used to further help people.

>>5100122
Animals are not equal to children.

For starters we eat them and they eat each other. And you are an example of the kind of person that makes this shit dangerous. Because you DONT know animals are not children.

You are the kind of person to start imposing absurd requirements, fines, etc and begin having dogs executed for killing roaming cats. While accomplishing nothing on the abuse front.

>>5100454
Animals are not fucking people you stupid faggot. They eat each other. We eat them. They breed in alleyways. We often have to kill them for our own sake. But you think your favorites are equal to CHILDREN?

And in the end chang xing long will destroy the microchip and eat the cat leaving you with no recourse. What are you gonna do, financially destroy PEOPLE for their cat escaping and limit PEOPLES freedom severely over a dead cat?

All your type ever does is hurt PEOPLE in the name of moral purity while the evil that triggered your insane ass keeps on chugging and you have no recourse against it but actual physical action against the perpetrating individual. But you dont like doing things. You like legal autism that doesnt solve problems but gives your team more power!

Basically you fall in with the people who want a surveillance state to protect le kids but actually the kids just fucking vanish and normal people get arrested for watching big anime titties (see: worst korea) because you’re a godless if not satanic ethics faggot with no clue about the real world and no genuine anger about the actual problem, just narcissistic and in love with proposing solutions that dont require you to do any work while just giving your “team” (PETA nutjobs) more power.

>>5100469
Their end goal will never not be abolishing all domesticated animals and eventually all industry.

What trips me up is that their movements in europe are funded by jews in the USA and are responsible for germany giving up energy independence and becoming dependent on russian coal, and any country that cowtows to the greenpeace/peta types quickly becoming too expense to manufacture in ceding business to american owned and allied chinese production

>>5098166
Non-Christian heathens. I've seen some of it on /gif/ before and it's mainly SEA peoples doing it for whatever God-awful reason.

>>5100457
>>5100469
>animals aren't people


not an argument

It's simple logic that your psychopath brains cannot process: 1) they feel pain. 2) pain is bad 3) logic dictates they must be protected to avoid pain

If you are confused by step #3) above, just go back to stop #2 until you decide if either pain is NOT bad, so its ok on children, or pain IS bad so its not ok on animals.

thanks for playing lil psychos. I'm sorry you can't seem to process empathy like normal people, but maybe through logic you'll be able to spot this flaw in your brain. Keep trying steps #2 and #3 above until it clicks for you

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>>5100838
>>not an argument
yes it is, you just don't like it.

>>5100850

>1) they feel pain. 2) pain is bad 3) logic dictates they must be protected to avoid pain

>>5100879
>3) logic dictates they must be protected to avoid pain
but that's illogical because animals aren't people, therefore they don't deserve to be protected like people. protecting animals is a noble idea and all that but they are not worth the same resources as people

>>5100880
so you are saying that you recognize animals are just like humans in their capacity to feel pain, but you just don't care about animals. You think they are beneath men, they are like slaves, or like your enemies, and their pain is ok and justified

As we already knew, so why are you in this thread. You come here in the guise of being someone trying to convince others of some logic or the right thing to do, when in fact you are coming here to say simply that you are ok with animal suffering. But you try to paint as ethical or ok, which you cannot do: it is illogical

So all these rounds of you and me talking have been for this purpose, which we already knew: to show your actual position which is simply: you are unable to care for animal pain

Which makes you a psychopath, as you have no empathy. There is no logical reason, no argument you can have to just let animals suffer, other than "I just don't care for their suffering". Which again, is the definition of making you a psychopath

thanks for playing again lil psycho. There is a reason your opinions are voided in our society, and you'll never be in a position of power: because we don't let psychos in power

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>>5101005
they ARE beneath us and nobody here ever agrees with you whenever you throw one of your tantrums because you're a mentally ill goblin

>>5101007
>nobody here ever agrees with you
not
an
argument

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>>5101013
it's a statement of fact

>>5100838
>pain is the basis of my moral system
You're what's called a hedonist and your type has always been wrong, always. Your ethics were invented as a joke to mock even shittier philosophers.
>process empathy like normal people
Humans are predators. NORMAL people do not have empathy for animals. What little empathy people feel for some animals - most of which were bred to trigger empathy unnaturally - is not enough to equate them with people.

How's this
0) God created man in his image
1) Animals aren't people
2) We eat them
3) Logic dictates their moral worth reaches only as far as it benefits us

Also, your stupid microchip/registration idea has been debunked as ineffective for your stated goal a dozen times ITT and you never addressed that, ever. Not once.

>>5101114
all brown people prefer cats to dogs

disliking cats is distinctly white

brown countries = dogs attack people and spread rabies, low iq brown brain thinks cats are keeping the rats at bay (they aren't)
white countries = dogs are friendly family members, only pitbulls do anything bad, high iq white brain notices roaming cats spread brain worms that kill babies and cause schizophrenia

>>5098159
>European governments refuse to sterilize sadists to remove their torturer DNA from the gene pool
>instead more surveillance for ordinary people

Whether you're a sadist or not is literally encoded in DNA. You could just sterilize those with defective DNA.

>>5101149
>Humans are predators.
Humans are cultivators. We cultivated endless varieties of plants AND animals. Most humans want to be as far as possible from the actual killing and buy the final product instead, cooked or not. At least that's in the first world, the majority of meat eaters here have never slaughtered anything themselves. Humans (hominids) acquired a taste for meat from scavenging carcasses, not actively hunting. That was a blip on the radar when megafauna existed.
>God created man in his image
The Jewish God created birds before land animals which we know is false, as is a global flood where every extent taxa was placed on a wooden ship that somehow survived the torrential downpour and cataclysm.

>>5098159
What does microchipping in the EU have to do with animal abusing insects in China?

>>5101600
We want to solve animal abuse worldwide.

The entire world has as much animal abuse as china, it's just that in china it's open. On the rest of the world it's practiced under closed doors.

Microchipping animals is the first step so western abusers can't keep getting away with it. Next we are coming to china. But if the west is not even trying to stop their animal abuse, what chance there will be to force china to play along in the first place?

>>5100880
>protecting animals is a noble idea and all that but they are not worth the same resources as people
Arguably some animals are worth protecting more than others, as they are vital to ecosystems that support our existence. To not protect them will have drastic consequences to our kind. So some animals are worth protecting more than humans :)

>>5099956
this
assuming the law is real and this isn't a bait thread(i didn't check), it's completely retarded

>>5102399
i'm not a gore expert, but a few vids i've seen are of presumably unwanted baby kittens, which i assume won't be born with the chips in
how do you plan to prevent this? install a chip in every citizen to monitor their activity 100% of the time?

>>5101150
Stop it rajesh, pretending to be white won't make you one.

>>5101005
I don't care if animals feel pain. Hell I don't care if some human in some third world shithole feels pain 100000 miles away from me.
The reason we protect children is because it is beneficial for society to protect the next generation
You just don't fucking get it. Nature is pain.Animals inflict pain on each other. Humans are animals.To live is to suffer

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>murder cats BAD
>murder pigs and cows GOOD

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>>5098453
This looks more like an ad on why you should murder demonic cats. Wtf
>>5098466
>unhinged small dick chinkcel
To the surprise of no one.

>>5103267
she cute and studies hard

>>5103216
>To live is to suffer
Says the person who never suffered, was never tortured, has a society with a police and military force to prevent him from ever suffering or being tortured, has a government and police system that registers him and every person like him to prevent him suffering and being tortured, and has a whole medical system of painkillers to ensure he never suffers or is tortured

Stop trying to rationalize your selfishness: you are selfish, you admit that. You don't care. But you'll not find moral right nor excuses to justify your behavior, because you do one rule for yourself, another for animals

You'll never be able to justify animal pain through logic, sorry chump but good attempt haha

>>5103760
People who do not prioritize humans will be replaced, conquered, dominated, and left to rot by people who do and have been every single time.

As we speak india is resorting to impotent executions to stop islam and christianity from spreading. But it’s only stopping christianity. Good riddance to the last pagan nation.

>>5103767
and what of societies with no morals, who are ok with the torture of animals. You think these will grow into strong societies?

The strongest societies in history were also the ones who tried the most to be moral: Greeks, Romans, Medieval english, Japan.

China become strong only when it's people worked 12 hours a day to be paid less than everyone else in the world, and they might be in the brink of collapse. Once they lose manufacturing due to the price dynamics changing to a new country or new production method (such as full robots), they will go back to the crisis they were facing 20 years ago again.

A society is made of individuals who play things fair: that is the strenght of civilization. If you have a civilization made of people with no care for values, that civilization doesn't seem to fare well either because they break the tenents of civilization whenever it pleases them, and thus civilization with it.

Regardless, we have a moral duty to create the strongest civilization and also the most caring for animals, and destroy all other civilizations who refuse to treat animals like humans

>>5103776
>and also the most caring for animals,
no, we don't.

>>5098448
This. People were saying chipping all horses was good to prevent abuse, but it's obviously about control. The epstein island euros don't give a fuck about animals

>>5103776
Societies only benefit when they only protect animals insofar as it is relevant to humans
>rome
>moral
They had bestiality and lion fights as public spectacle you fucking idiot.
> Regardless, we have a moral duty to create the strongest civilization and also the most caring for animals, and destroy all other civilizations who refuse to treat animals like humans
History and basic resource allocation say: no, you’ll be killed by people who aren’t vegan idiots. Always have been and will be.

Accept that animals are inferior to people and don’t require the same level of concern if you want animals to receive any concern at all. Or you will be so busy caring for literal vermin and fucking cattle that islam and china will gladly replace you.

>>5103776
currency and abstract economic non-things are irrelevant to china’s success. they’re strong because they’re cohesive and prioritize their nation. on the balance sheers china is constantly five days from collapse but it only affects everyone else. like hitler, xi can just issue a new labor backed currency or play any other game because money isnt real and tell the israeli states of america to go fuck themselves (and thank you for putting your carriers so far away lol).

financials only hold water if people assign ethical weight to them
the chinese don’t. they don’t need people to buy. they can conscript labor to start building farms in the desert if they want to. ethically weighting fiat is for people who still follow incorrect philosophies from later europe.

>>5103776
In that last line you create a civilization everyone else is obligated to destroy and would succeed in doing.

Even china gave you your dog meat ban. There’s a material reason for it. Dogs are different than other animals. They have a low level effect on human psychology. But that last line would obligate the entire world to destroy you. And they would, because if vegans are a majority most of them are always malnourished or developmentally stunted. How bad is it? Japan was irrelevant until they started eating beef. Nutrition matters.

>>5103267
All because humans aren't in torture videos doesn't mean we don't suffer. I don't have to justify animal pain. Nature doesn't have to justify animal suffering, and we are part of nature. Those nice things you listed that humans have don't prevent us from causing harm and suffering to each other, after all. Will your crusade to prevent all animal suffering include preventing human as well?

Imagine being a retarded chink, brown or morbid obese american that thinks animal torture is fine? That ain't me.

>>5103992
its not fine but microchips do nothing and there is no room for vegan idiots that want all animals to be treated like people and for wars and international SNAFUs over animal rights. animals aren’t worth the limited resources. humans always come first. always.

also, micro chips do nothing. its pointless government expansion.

>>5103992
that aint me either

and we will bring the war to all animal abusers

>>5103997
humans do not come first, prepare to be assblasted. Your filthy egoistical genes, which are unable to process empathy must be ELIMINATED systematically from this universe. It cannot be allowed to create copies of itself.

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>>5104682
>humans do not come first
yes we do, and the number of people who agree vastly outnumber the limp wristed fairies like you.

>>5104746
People without empathy fight each other until there is nothing left, tribalism-style

People with empathy build civilizations that conquers all tribes. This is why animal welfare is on the rise, while your kind is losing ground.

The greatest power in this known universe is banding together, be it for animals or men, and your lack of empathy prevents you from creating real bonds and to have strength through unity. Your kind will always try to curb and prevent free speech, free thought, free actions and instead try to enforce what you think is right, and why you are divided and conquered by a civilized chad like me.

>>5104967
>that conquers all tribes
thant doesn't sound very empathatic.
>noooooo! we can win with the power of friendship!
nobody is gonna have their rights curtailed and their tax dollars wasted because of animals. putting them on the same level as people is a dangerously retarded fantasy.

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>>5098159
>more totalitarian spyware
>it's good actually because... uh, anime abuse!
glow in the dark thread or just useful idiot

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>>5105002
>glow in the dark thread or just useful idiot
he's a legit retard, this isn't the first time his dumb ass has made one of these threads

>>5098516
We really need to repeal the 19th before autistic antinatalism is legally mandated. You hate life.

>>5104967
People with empathy need not have empathy for literal fucking cattle.

It is a spectrum.
And you are on a useless dysgenic end of it.
You will understand this or die seething as you get replaced by islam or china after you do your best to weaken society in the name of a fucking chicken.

>>5103267
Pigs and cows are livestock

>>5098447
Yes. It's also a non-issue in the EU. This is really only a thing in places like China. This is ½ moral panic/virtue signaling, ½ governments pushing for more surveillance and regulation.

>>5098166
You're substituting torturing and even murdering humans for torturing and murdering small animals because it's less of a hassle
It's a thing people who want to but don't have it in them to do to humans because unironically they're too pussy or dumb to get around the consequences
You have to grow up in a dogshit environment that already doesn't care about small animals to start doing this

>>5098159
Every time I see this thumbnail, I keep thinking it's from that cat video game, Stray.

>>5101005
>we don't let psychos in power
the fuck are you talking about, are you like 7 years old

>>5101005
This entire post is irrational nonsense. Repeal the 19th.

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>>5105155

dogs and cats will now have more documentation than the somalis and pakis that raft into europe

>>5098159
>uhh cats in china huh? sure we'll help out. now everyone has to register all their cats, dogs, all plants on their property, everything in their home...
Well done, retard.

>>5098159
They should just release the names and addresses of people who do this shit, whenever they find them. I'd gladly pay them a visit. Hell, I'd make a career out of it.

>>5105288
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T REGISTER HUMAN BEINGS, THAT IS FACISM
>WE MUST BE ABLE TO SPAWN KIDS WITHOUT ANY FORM OF GOVERNMENT TRACKING, OTHERWISE IT'S LE FACISMM!!!!!!

haha lol

grt tk m8


>>5105299
For the 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 time: 99.99% of animal abusers are never caught: that is the problem we are trying to solve.

Are you people unable to learn, you can't rotate apples in your head or something?

>>5105834
Your gay taxation scheme wont hurt anyone but people whose dogs naturally prey on outdoor cats and thus piss off europes undeserving female “leaders”
>nooo cats need to be free and are totally special and not like other prey animals so something is wrong with the dog i think maybe! SHAME! t. irrational sex with a 5% smaller brain
After all, evading dumb shit like this is the specialty of liars… not normal people who just own animals.

Animal abusers steal animals or catch strays and if there are rfid chips extracting and destroying them is just part of their process.

All you’d do is give the government more say in non-criminals lives. Also, philosophically, you are literally evil. You believe animals are equal to humans. You have a personal aberrant definition of psychopathy that covers killing fucking rats. Either you are lying to virtue signal or you are evil and would kill people to protect vermin and livestock.
I have a strong feeling your ultimate goal is to eventually ban pets and eventually livestock. You are anti-human. You place beasts above man. You are, frankly, demonic. And I see right through your schemes.

>crazy vegan fucktard gets zher way
>normal person when their pet died naturally: FUCK! I CANT AFFORD EU COMPLIANT PET DISPOSAL! THEYRE GOING TO TRY ME LIKE I MURDERED A CHILD! Take the chip out and… NO! i loved my dog! I cant do that! I’M FUCKED!
>haughty aristocrat: if you cant afford to follow the law you dont deserve anything in life. your fiat wealth is your moral worth. fucking cattle. go back to your rented flat. we should ban pet ownership for you filthy rabble.
>Animal abuser: xaxaxaxa chip aready smash arr gone xaxaxa. now i eat dead kittycat. kung pao yum! too eazee. me stear more next week just reave fish out xaxaxa
>haughty arisocrat: we cant do anything about that and besides it would be racist if we did :)

>>5105857
>and if there are rfid chips extracting and destroying them is just part of their process.

And what happens when a dead animal is found, or its bones? Then there will be an investigation. That's why it works and why we need to extend the same to animals

>>5105857
>Also, philosophically, you are literally evil. You believe animals are equal to humans.
>if you don't have the mind of an animal, acting tribalistic, and instead you act like a human who can recognize things beyond animalistic tribal instinct - having an actual real soul instead of being a sub-human, then you are a psychopath

lol cute, very cute my subhuman friend

>dogs naturally eat cats
>animals don't deserve the same protections as humans
>who cares if cats are being tortured, they are pests
>these are things said passionately on the animal board

I'm pretty new here. Is /an/ always filled with retards/trolls like this?

>>5105167
that anon is completely right though.

>>5106024
if most human beings cared for animals, the state of animal welfare would not be what we have in 2026 worldwide.

Most human beings feel nothing but potentially temporary, short-lived shock when it comes to animal pain. A good chunk of humans feel pleasure when confronted with animal pain

Why can't we all just agree torture on any animal is bad?

Not hunting, or fishing, or farming. I mean torture.

>>5106030
And should be illegal, and torturers get severe punishment.

>>5101114
cats are the quintessential brown pet, what are you talking about

>>5106022
>le souls
Ok, so you accept christ is king and agree that idolaters, the sexually immoral, and whatnot must be evicted and shunned until they accept christ and stop being sinful?

Didn’t think so. You just made up a religion to pretend you’re a holy man.

Animals are not people. We eat animals. Animals eat other animals. We maintain civilization. They eat garbage.

>>5106024
Dogs do in fact naturally eat cats. Cats are a major food source for every canid in the wild and any dog with hunting instincts will take cats if not specifically trained not to. Cats are not some special higher animal. They’re just pointy rabbits.

>>5106030
We do. The issue is vegans and ARAs want to expend state resources on a framework to ban pet ownership and eventually appoint their guys and start getting rid of meat. Which humans require to fully develop. A species that does not prioritize itself will always be eradicated by one that does.

If such people succeed, whats left of animal rights will be promptly destroyed by invading cultures that only give any concern whatsoever to humans once the west is malnourished and too busy investigating the “murders” of pest animals.
Hence whats really happening is this law is a wealth extraction device that some idiot women will abuse to unintentionally demoralize the host country. Vegan idiots are useful idiots. They never get to have power. They just shout while someone else takes it.

>>5106046
>this is why we shouldn't be preventing and policing against animal torture.. liek just let it happen mang

haha no frienderino

That is not how human beings with a soul (us, not you) works

>>5106021
>And what happens when a dead animal is found, or its bones? Then there will be an investigation. That's why it works and why we need to extend the same to animals
so we're gonna send out the CSI Miami guys any time someone finds a dead cat? do you have any idea how much that sort of gross misuse of public resources will cost? stop being retarded

>>5106265
>so we're gonna send out the CSI Miami guys any time someone finds a dead cat?

Yes. Anything short of that is tolerance towards animal torture.

We don't tolerate human torture, we don't tolerate child torture. We don't tolerate animal torture.

Every practice, agency, law, system, prevention measure that we have to punish but most importantly, preventing abuse from ever happening to adults and childrens, will be copy/pasted for animals

>bu-but muh resources!!

"The animals are not as important as me" is not an argument, it's a sign of a very dangerous psychopathy and egotism, and not an argument.

>>5098159
Where can we read the meltdowns of animal abusers and zoosadists? Is there a reddit for it? Twitter screenshots? Preferably from EU citizens cause they're affected, not Chinese.

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>>5098166
Extreme feelings of inferiority/powerlessness.

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>>5106481
>"The animals are not as important as me" is not an argument,
just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an argument. animal abuse does not warrant the same seriousness and resources as child/people abuse because animals aren't people. once again, I'm not endorsing animal abuse or calling for a roolback on existing animal abuse legislation. I am pointing out that your ideas are retarded, draconian, infringe upon people's rights, waste resources, and are generally unworkable in reality.

>>5106493
your psychopathic kind will be defeated, before you are able to spread your dangerous evil genes across the universe

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>>5106481
Do you know how fucking easy it would be to frame someone for that crime? Like really, just think about that for a moment. And look at >>5105862's post, their criticisms are very apt. I do love animals very much, but if you truly believe animals are equal to people then you're either an idiot who is ruled by emotional thinking, or genuinely very mentally ill. These lawmakers don't give a single fuck about animals, they don't even care about their own countrymen; they only make laws to benefit themselves or line their own pockets. Think harder about what they might be getting out of making these laws.

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>>5106512
you have no agrument because you are ruled by your emotions like a w*man. you are weak willed and limp wristed.

My dog kills a cat every few months. By this idiots laws I am hitler and must be punished for being friends with a predator animal and its natural prey roams around abandoned.
My cat kills a rabbit every few months. By this idiot’s laws…
My rat kills a cockroach every few months…
And since animals are people what am I for slaughtering and eating a chicken?

I can sense you caring less and less and stirring around in that shit pot you call a rational mind dedicated to pure logic and reason for an excuse to dispassionately counter all of this. You will disguise it as outrage. I know you don’t feel outrage. You feel want, neediness, you feel smug and imagine others admiring you as most righteous.

In the end whats your real morality? The kosher laws, that man is to kill only certain animals a certain way and only ear certain parts after cooking them until there is no blood. Even the animals you deem extra sacred are just those that are off limits. You’ve simply gone off the rails of the torah and tried to make the rulws even more extreme to declare yourself more moral than god, if not god himself correcting the record - another christ. But where are your miracles, and if a crowd of talmudists have you executed, will you rise three days later?

>>5106514
>understanding emotions, having the empathy to perceive this very physical, real, chemical process that happens and influences on conscience, is the same as being ruled like a woman

No, it just means empathy, understanding the process.

Try to solve this quizz: animals and humans feel pain exactly the same way. Therefore, there is no logical difference to treat animals and humans differently at a logical level.

The only way you could justify different treatment, would be through emotions: "but I think i'm more important"

Logically you cannot make the argument that animals should be treated differently. Real men follow logic, real men are mostly gone now

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>>5106546
>Therefore, there is no logical difference to treat animals and humans differently at a logical level.
wrong. animals aren't people therefore it is illogical to treat them as if they are people, it's as simple as that.

>>5106546
>animals and humans feel pain exactly the same way. Therefore, there is no logical difference to treat animals and humans differently at a logical level.
so are you gonna lock up all the ranchers? what about the pest control people? rats and mice certainly feel pain. or how about the lions eating an antelope alive? gonna send them to jail too?

>>5106546
False promise, no true scotsman, god knows what else, and of course, you’re known by your fruits

Regulatory overreach
Malnourished infants
Entire malnourished former-civilizations (veganism destroyed the indian race)
Stolen and slaughtered pets
Terrorist attacks on farms and research facilities
Admitting you would destroy a human life for the sake of a pest cat

>>5106550
*false premise
Maybe begging a question ackshually

Vegan ethics are faithless tautologies, shitty religions. At least bible thumpers have the creator of the fucking universe to listen to and his supposed laws are remarkably concordant with natural law. Vegans have “the virtue of being logical and righteous” “because its righteous and logical”

Zoosadist cat hating pedophiles were raped violently as children

>>5106548
You haven't attempted to explain anything logically here

Animals are not people: but they feel pain just like people. If pain in people = bad, then pain in animals also equals bad.

Therefore, you admit pain in animals is bad.
But you don't care, because you are selfish. You cannot make a logical argument as to why it is ok to cause animals pain.

Where is your lil brain struggling to perform some logic here?

>>5106549
we should not be causing them pain, that should be our first directive

Are you starting to get it now?

We can use animals, even kill them, without causing them pain, especially not causing prolonged pain nor anything that starts getting to the level of torture

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>>5107536
pain is not bad in and of itself little retard and things that cause pain can be beneficial like shots. I've explained my point logically many times, along with everyone else in the thread, and you just cover your ears and ignore it. animals feel pain? so fucking what? that does not put them on the same level as people.
>>5107538
our first directive has and always will be to look out for ourselves. animal welfare only makes sense if it comes from an anthropocentric context.
also, so do you only reply every couple of days because you're hoping to get the last word in? because that's not gonna work ;)

>>5107556

Ok, you've been talking and talking.. and somehow you think you are not proving your point.

I have an easier, simpler idea for you to prove your point: Post a video of you torturing yourself. Like animals are tortured. Drill something in your anus like that woman did to that puppy, break your legs for the camera then have someone step over your broken legs for hours and days, you know, the average torture animals go through

Then you can say:

>feel pain? so fucking what?

Then you proved your point that pain? so what?

But if you cannot endure pain to prove your point, then that means animals cannot endure pain either.

>>5107585
>*more histrionic bitching*
animals still aren't people no matter how much you cry about it.
>b-b-but muh pain!
irrelevant. you also never answered my question about animals hurting other animals, by your own logic causing any sort of pain is evil so we better start prosecuting all those predators

>>5100127
>waste of money
I'd agree with you if our governments weren't constantly wasting fucking money. We've poured billions of dollars into incredibly retarded causes. Saving puppies from torture would be less of a waste than whatever shut we burn our money on and you'd be able to see the effects by having waves of these unhinged fucks getting arrested. The smarter ones will probably find a way around that shit, but it'd put a direct stop to most of these cunts.

I would chose to save the life of a fish over the life of a chinkrat

>>5100127
>it's a waste of money to stop animal torture

It is with these comments that you can see the level of psychopathy most humans have.

Many humans will say "animal torture is 100% acceptable if I'm not the one suffering, and if it isn't directly on one of my pets I happen to care about"

yep, we must do something about this subhumans pest. There is no arguing with a psychopath, you gotta restrain them and prevent them from causing harm

>enter thread
>hurr kill cats anyway
You niggers are no better than turdies. I still remember seeing that one chinese kitten crush video with the high heels

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>>5107799
it is a waste to devote the same amount of money and resources to animal abuse that we do to child abuse. if you weren't so emotional and womanly you'd be able to understand that. also, at no point did I condone animal abuse or advocate for removing existing animal abuse protections.

>>5107801
Yeah me too
wish I could stomp a chinkrat's skull

>>5107802
It's not an incomprehensibly large sum of money. A country that can afford 1.9 trillion for Desert Storm can probably afford to double the 80 billion they spend preventing child abuse. It's not cheap, but it's not hardcore either and we've spent more on dumber shit anyways.

>>5107829
Why are you stuck on repeat

Your entire dumb concept has been refuted 10x in this thread. It is inappropriate, inconsistent, easily abused to create injustice, and totally ineffective against the people everyone who isnt an anti-human vegan satanist actually have a problem with. It follows your actual goal is creating the framework to ban pet ownership, or you are just a retard instead of a turbo retard (gaytheist anti-human satanist faggot that equates man with beast).

Criminals will continue catching stray cats, smashing the chips, and eating/destroying the evidence so its indistinguishable from garbage or sewage.

>>5107846
The EU’s actual goal is unironically creating the framework to first tax dog owners to death and second eradicate dogs per shariah law. So satanic isnt actually off the table even if our dear friend is simply developmentally disabled. As a child raping murderer and thief posing as a prophet to create a fake christianity that spreads crimes against humanity, Muhammad met every criteria john laid out for the anti-christ.

>>5098516
>Bureaucracy is also what is keeping you from being tortured by a pack of feral humans right now or to come into your house and steal your shit right now.
Hmm, pretty it's my guns who protect me
And bureaucracy will try to put in jail for protecting myself

>>5107846
>Why are you stuck on repeat
I'm not the same anon you've been arguing with for all the thread.
You've been claiming it's a waste of money and I'm telling you it's not. Now you moved to another point which is stronger than the waste of money stance.
On paper you're right but in practice, what you're saying is already the case anyways, feds can literally come and shoot your dog for no reason. A few years ago there was that video of that dude will all his dead snakes lying on the floor that was circulating here, shot by the feds all because of a simple bureaucratic error.
As for picking the animals and smashing the chips, it's probably too risky for the criminal to do. What's more likely to happen is underground breeders getting you non-chipped animals. Anyways, you're right that you can't save them all anyways but if you want to keep the child abuse point, the same thing stands true for children, as recent events have showed.
If you want my actual opinion instead of putting words into my mouth like a retard, I don't think we can end that issue, but we can definitely quell it for a fraction of the cost of what we spend on preventing child abuse, there's so few measures in place that even changing a few things would be enough to prevent 90% if the current shit from happening. Going as far as chipping every pet would be counterproductive, animal abuse isn't taken seriously even in places that have laws against it so changing that would help massively already.
If you can't find that reasonable, then next time instead of sharing your unfiltered dogshit opinion on the internet just follow the way of the dodo and kill yourself for the sake of the genepool.

>>5108042
he is a literal psychopath, his whole argument relies on "it's ok to cause harm to things I don't consider important", and he lacks the spark of soul that lets one come to the simple 1+1 conclusion of "a) I experience pain this way and it is terrible b) therefore others experience it as terribly".

>>5108124
>if you don't agree with me you're... LE HECKIN PSYCHOPATH!
clean the sand out of your vagina m8.

>>5108214
if you don't feel empathy for others in pain (meaning you feel their pain and you can't stand seeing them in pain) you are literally a psychopath, it is the definition of it

Understand that civilization and its laws and rules are not for people like you: it's to prevent people like you from acting the way you want to act

>>5108042
>>5108124
>>5108245
Thats a lot of samefagging and screeching to be invalidated in three short sentencelets

Animals are not people
Psychopathy only concerns humans
Animals are infinitely less valuable than humans

This is what civilization is built on. Humans first. You are a parasite. People like you depend on the efforts of all the farmers and hunters and loggers and miners of earth putting man above all so you can shit out godless pseudo-intellectual “ethics” nonsense and fellate yourself for visibly claiming to show concern for vermin and livestock. And you give nothing back.

>>5108042
>smashing an rfid chip (rice sized plastic pill) is heccin risky
>we need to hyper regulate everything in case animals do animal things and get eaten/die

>>5108245
feeling empathy doesn't prevent me from making rational decisions, unlike you. spending the same resources on animals that we spend on children is irrational since those resources would be better spent on children instead, because animals arent as important as children. once again im not saying animals don't deserve protection, I'm just saying that it's irrational to put them on the same level as people. their concerns are secondary to ours.

Simple math

HUMAN children, and teens, and adults are still being raped, abused, enslaved, bought, sold, and killed
Any more public resources dedicated to investigating the “murder” of a fucking rabbit is the purposeful neglect of HUMAN life. The purpose of the state is to protect HUMANS.

Be glad we use dog and cat abuse as a form of pre-crime enforcement. We only do this because we bred these specific animals to tickle some more mirror neurons than usual. However they are still just animals. If you dont want cats to be abused, stop letting them out, stop breeding them, and stop giving them away to anyone who asks. Like we’ve largely done for dogs such that dog abuse is much rarer and what remains could be stamped out with vet checks and neighborly snitching (“anon has a dog, make sure he takes it to the vet”) thus putting the onus of resource expenditure on the people who own the animals.

>>5108250
worse, humans who dont remember to favor themselves will quickly die out and be replaced by humans who do, and those replacements are likely not to extend the slightest amount of care to any animal and only care for themselves as a group rather than individuals (such a strategy is highly effective)

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>>5108250
>>5108252
>>5108258
>animal pain is OK, I can rationalize it!! ( even though pain is not on the domain of the rational, it is on the pain of the sensory )

mfw psychopaths try to rationalize sensations

You lot is literally making the case of "an alien race that is smarter than us and has cognitive capabilities beyond ours can not care if we are being tortured by their kind, because we are not as important as they are to themselves"

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>>5108264
>animal pain is OK

>>5108264
>muh pain!
>muh feelings!
you still haven't provided a rational argument for why their importance is the same as ours, all you've done is make arguments from emotion and call people names
what about other animals? I'd bet the various predators of the world cause their prey plenty of pain. what do you propose we do about that if preventing pain is so important?

>>5108264
>animal pain is ok
It is neither ok nor wrong. It has no innate moral value.
>MUH AYLIUMS WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH MUH PHILOSOPHY! IF YOU ALLOW CATS TO COME TO HARM AND EAT ANIMALS THEY WILL EAT YOU!
Counterpoint: ayliums wont hold an abstract philosophy at all. since they are actually evolved, not wanking off to the idea of being their religious heroes (buddhas, jesuses, angels etc) they will exercise a system of supreme sensibility that maximizes their benefit and minimizes their loss. It will not matter to them at all what humans do unless it concerns their own interests. And if it does, they will say “holy shit, vegans are delicious”

>>5108264
>children are less important than animals because animals feel pain. even though children are being raped right now, we need to allocate more state resources to theoretically taking steps towards protecting cats. and how? by giving more power to the state that does all the child raping of course.
You are deranged.

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>>5108273
>>5108280
>>5108287
>>5108288

>PLZ MR ALIENS TORTURE US, WE HAVE BEEN MAKING THE POINT THAT THAT IS OK ON THE 4CHINS. IT´S OK IF U DO IT CUZ UR SUPERIOR TO US

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>>5108363
>more womanly crying

i would save a cat, a dog or hell, a hamster over any of you who think what these people do is fine

>>5101149
>Humans are predators. NORMAL people do not have empathy for animals.
Maybe your ooga booga tier ancestors? Mine lived or died by how well they took care of their plants and their animals. Most would've been hanged for poaching if they preyed upon anything, and the main animal, sheep was worth more for milk and fiber than for meat.
>How's this
>0) God created man in his image
Ah, I see. You are just very low IQ.

>>5108378
stop wasting time arguing with an absolute moron
you CAN'T win an argument against someone with low iq and high arrogance

>>5108381
You can if you shoot them.

>>5098172
source?

>>5098829
How did Europeans stop it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_burning

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the idea of microchipping all animals is fucking retarded

if you really want to prevent abusers from accessing animals the far more sane way to do it is mandatory spaying and neutering with only licensed and strictly regulated breeders having the authority to breed and sell pets
you can also add in background checks and registries for pet buyers if you'd like

this also has the advantage of eliminating feral populations

>>5108378
>religion bad!
Anglicans and Jews have higher average IQs than atheists. The correlation between low IQ and religiosity is fake - polluted by the masses of evangelicals, third world christians (mostly catholic) and muslims.

>>5108381
Stop samefagging. OP lost already

Btfo’d repeatedly, and look at this pathetic fucking cope. No argument but “aliens would agree with me because they would”
>>5108363
Aliens are already here by many accounts and guess what, they eat cows and anally probe people so they’re just like us after all

>>5108550
Its not about stopping abuse. Its about preparing for shariah/climate change motivated theft and culling.

Oppose islam whenever and wherever you can. Deny its validity as a religion, always. It is a direct threat to your safety and way of life. Muhammad was a murderer and he raped children.
Oppose any group that blames climate change and pollution on individual citizens rather than on industry that makes climate-harmful products the cheapest. Do not blame peoples pets. Blame taylor swifts private jet.

>>5108552
Pets are broadly bad for society and the environment and the majority of people who get one aren't actually willing to take care of it. I don't think they should be illegal or anything but it should be treated as more of a major lifestyle decision for a certain kind of person rather than something over half the population has because they saw a cute video of a dog or cat so got one on impulse and will inevitably end up neglecting it after the honeymoon period is over.

>>5100838
Pain is nothing, I feel pain when I get a paper cut and then forget about it 5 minutes later.

Suffering, i.e. severe emotional distress whether caused by pain or otherwise is what's actually bad and it cannot be proven that animals feel that, all we can do is infer that some probably do based on how we estimate their cognitive complexity.

>>5108554
>pets are bad for society
False. Dogs especially are associated with extended lifespans, safer neighborhoods, higher marriage and fertility rates, and higher trust communities. Ironically the outlier dogs that DONT are the “traditional per muhammad and cletuses idiocy” working breeds like fighting and guard dogs that were never meant to be pets or even allowed off their chain. Go look at the absolute state of the “pet free” muslim world. All of their dogs are feral, violent, and filthy. In israel or a civilized area of the US I can walk around petting any golden retriever, husky, or poodle I see and find out their owner is on their third child. Cats when not used as working animals fight CVD deaths instead of spreading toxo
>the environment
Also false. They are an environmental nothingburger that scales with population. The same idiots that say this also say humans have to stop eating meat starve to save the planet. Climate change is, however, not driven by the first world population in itself, but by the energy needs of the excess higher strata leave the lower strata with no choice but to consume and marketing-derived horseshit like plastic packaging.

Climate change isnt your fault. Its not pets fault. Its systemic, part of a society designed to extract money and create unwilling consumers (ie: you NEED a smartphone or you cant even get a job)

>>5108554
bro did you know breathing emits as much carbon dioxide as a gorillion SUVs

end breathing now
i am sardonic and think everyone is the worst person i saw on the internet so they’re all misusing their breath anyways
ban inhalation and exhalation
total respiration death

>>5098166
evilness and mental illness
there are people out there that r*pe children,ffs!

>>5108567
True

If only people would stop breeding cats and stop letting them outside so torturers wouldnt have easy access to a gorillion strays. Only then could we have any chance of stopping them.

>>5098166
The common trait of all even remotely intelligent animals is that they like torturing other animals.
Crows, dolphins, etc

>>5108598
I prefer to psychologically torture cats by making them chase ethereal red dots and waste their energy on swatting strings. I’m more evolved than you freaks.

Next up, generational genetic torture. I shall breed cats to be bald.

>>5108563
Schzobabble
>>5108565
When did I say to ban pet ownership? I just think it should be treated as something on a similar level to buying a car, gun, house, etc, other commodities that we accept come with certain responsibilities and therefore certain restrictions.

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>plz aliens it's morally ok if u torture us, despite you having hyperdimensional cognitive capabilities that render us unable to protect ourselves from you, just like animals are in relation to human intelligence, you still should not waste your resources trying to prevent aliens drilling our anus with drills like the humans do to the puppies because any alien who puts humans in equal level as the alien is stoopid and mentally ill. Humans are inferior to aliens.

>plz don't stop torturing us don't waste le resorcerinos

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>>5108764
>still crying about ayy lmaos

>>5099055
>they already tried using a pewdiepie video to lower the rape rate
What?

>>5108764
>aliens will follow my exact absurd moral philosophy
Aliens are already here and dont do that shit for the same reason humans slaughter cattle with ease but despise people who hurt dogs

They just like us and are evolved enough to know that arbitrary is good because good is arbitrary
Unlike you

>>5108612
>get btfo
>call i schizobabble
>try and pull a “i just think we should identify jews more clearly like we do for cops man grow up” hitler memecomic moment

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>PLEASE DON'T WASTE UR RESOURCES TO STOP ALIENS FROM TORTURING US MR ALIENS, YOU ARE BETTER THAN HUMANS AND THUS WASTING UR RESOURCES TO PROTECT US WOULD BE STUPID

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>>5109880
are you planning to keep crying like this until the thread finally dies?

>>5109880
>we need to give the child raping government made up of child rapists more power because i feel it would protect stray cats.
>*many explanations as to why it wouldnt protect shit and would be a waste of resources*
>stray cats deserve the same protections as children!
>*many explanations as to why it wouldnt work and would take away from already underprotected children*
>UHHH IF YOU WONT GO VEGAN AND RESPECT ALL LIVING THINGS EQUALLY A-ALIENS WILL TORTURE YOU TO DEATH BECAUSE ITS ETHICALLY CONSISTENT! YOU CANT BE A LITTLE SPECIESIST! THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES!
>high evolved aliens reading this: lol only humans are dumb enough to think that. *abducts a goat* hey guys, gyros!

>>5109894
>let's just not have laws and not hold our society/government systems accountable
>we are too much of pussies to tell the government (our employees) how to do things properly, even though we willingly give our tax money to them
>so the answer is to become yemen and have no laws at all!!!
>praise the warlords and praise tribalism, let handful of gangs commit atrocities to humans, animals and even ay lmaos alike!!

the smartest /an/ user, promoting ideas that will lead ultimately to his own demise and to the sufferance of all beings

>>5098490
>>5098516
brainless retard moron piece of shit idiot "govern me harder, daddy" dipshit loser

>>5110091
>"govern me harder, daddy"

The people have to be the government. The problem is not a government, a government is inevitable because people will want to make fair rules amongst them.

The issue is career politcians, and a lack of extra separation of power, where the state uses the tax money we give them, but they also decide how much tax money it is, and they also control the police that arrests someone who doesn't pay it.

We need a separation of power in which the government is given money, but the government has zero power and resources to collect that money itself. Tax payers that do not work for the government, but who isntead pay their money to the government, must be in charge of handling taxation

You'd know this already if you weren't subhuman with low IQ

Its mainly an old person thing
The younger populations are much more empathetic towards animals and fighting for this horrible shit to end.
It's left over from Mao-Zedong really, Taoism and confuism both preach not causing undue suffering.
But Mao back in the day made a massive declaration that pets are a western cancer the Chinese dont need and ordered them all killed and eaten. He also pushes for Chinese values which popularized bull shit Chinese medicine even more over western sciences.
Which literally makes no fucking sense as China has some of the oldest dog breeds in the world.
But yeah it's mostly boomers and Gen X who still push and profit from dog torture farms.
Also psycho millennial and zoomers but they exist in every country.
The quicker we stop animal abuse in giant industries and Chinese medicine the quicker the rest of the domino's fall.

Don't respond to him you tards, he's been rage baiting in these threads for a decade. He's a complete schizo who I’ve argued with dozens of times.
He literally does not have a functioning brain.

>>5099171
this is not a third world or IQ issue.
white first worlders fuck dogs and horses all the time. rich assholes, who otherwise have a higher IQ, get off to raping, killing and eating human babies.

it's probably a genetic issue as pointed out by >>5098172. some people are just born to be disgusting, evil pieces of shit. though i believe behavioural issues play a role too.

>>5110089
How do you get that from microchips being a useless taxation scheme and the vegan tard thinking aliens are going to eat people if we dont investigate the “murders” of literal pests

If europe wants to stop animal torture europe should stop importing animal torturers

>>5110107
>he doesnt know
280/300 bestiality cases pinned on “white” people in the US were actually hispanics. The rate at which hispanics are mislabeled ranges from 30 to 93 percent. The media also only reports on white crimes. I have never seen a hispanic pedophile or zoophile in the news but vasquez gutierrez perez is most of the sex offender registry here (and it lists them all as white). As it turns out, mexico’s age of consent is twelve and they don’t really enforce bestiality laws there. Its dey culcha.

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>>5110114
>were actually hispanics.

There are plenty of white people doing it, some of them share stuff and get caught so that's how we know: https://www.wthr.com/article/news/crime/kokomo-woman-who-has-history-of-animal-abuse-sentenced-to-18-months-after-violating-supervised-release-krystal-scott-cats-dogs-animal-crushing-crime/531-5fcabb43-ddfc-450c-8310-4d9c242adf3b

Blue eyes, and she crushed, suffocated, impaled dogs and more on a regular basis

The rules of animal abuse:

>it's never us, it's always "the others"
>nobody ever does anything to stop it

Welcome to human beings, the greatest plague known in the fucking universe

mcKlaus Analschwab told you so
you will own no thing and you vill be ze happy.
same goes for animals. animals wont own their own bodies and free will.
and guess what?
you wont do shit about it

>>5110977
>plenty
>you keep reposting the same one
Its like one real american and 299 foreigners each year. You all marxists exhibit this anti-heuristic idiocy (dont bother trying to find more “owns” we can all look at the registries and behold all the joses)
>most of these dog bite fatalities are pitbulls
>NUH UH I FOUND TEN NON PITBULL BITES ON GOOGLE
>DOGS ARE DUH PLAGUE
No. People who refuse to accept that free will is fake and the majority of behavior is inherited and genetic/epigenetic in origin are.

>>5110977
>intelligent chads: We can stop animal abuse by 1: not importing animal abusers 2: mandating vet visits for anyone who is reported as owning an animal. It would also improve money flow in the local economy and could be managed by vets saving government expenditure.
>you, a numale with negative testosterone levels: NOOOO WE NEED A REGISTRY AND MICROCHIPS AND DRACONIAN GOVERNMENT CONTROL VIA TAX FUNDED BUREAUCRACY AND ANYONE WHO ISNT VEGAN IS A PSYCHOPATH AND NEEDS TO BE KILLED YOU RACIST WHY CANT YOU BE GOOD LIKE ME BESIDES WITHOUT A REGISTRY HOW COULD WE HAVE ALL PETS EXTERMINATED TO SAVE THE CLIMATE AND EXHIBIT LIBERAL VEGAN ETHICS AND STOP OFFENDING MUSLIMS

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>But now, if you dump an animal and its not microchipped, there will be a police investigation.

I guess the world isn't really that bad at all.

>>5111460
>1: not importing animal abusers

You don't want to import white people??

> 2: mandating vet visits for anyone who is reported as owning an animal.

Oh cool, so if you want to abuse an animal simply do not report as owning one ( clandestine market like human trafficking ). And since nobody is looking for animal traffciking abuse ( the very problem we are trying to solve, which for human trafficking we actively monitor for unregistered humans being trafficked ), people can just do it carefree

Damn you are obtuse.
You are a master of pretending to address the problem, while not addressing the problem, and acting like you solved it.

We need to solve unreported, clandestine hidden animal abuse which white people are doing every day in every white city in the world

>>5099440
Thats a good point. I can empathize with animal torturers more now.

>>5111458
>People who refuse to accept that free will is fake
How do you expect them to accept? They dont have any freedom to do that, any more than you had the freedom to think what you do.
By your own claim, your position and thoughts are not up to you.

>>5111622
>simply do not report as owning one
I think he meant neighbors should spy on each other and report to the government authorities.
Ya know, just Big Brother shit.

>>5111622
1: europeans are less prone to animal abuse
2: animals are not people and do not need the same resources as people nor are they morally the same because we eat them and they eat each other. They are a different issue. The best way to stop them from being abused is to control the supply and involve the community in protection efforts instead of a centralized government registry that’s easier to abuse or use to enforced absurd shit like cat murder investigations to put down dogs for doing normal dog shit or to punish people for euthanizing sick and aggressive animals at home or god knows what else, PETA nonsense

Your continued anti-white propaganda really tells us all what your real goals are. You REALLY want resources to be taken from child protection and the population milked dry, wrongfully arrested and generally oppressed whole doing nothing about actual animal abuse >>5105862
Its almost like you’re some sort of white person hating pedophile that subverts nations while yammering about atheistic and therefore fallacious morals… jeff, is that you? Epstein dd fund the humane society of the virgin islands.

>>5111629
Community enforcement only needs your neighbors, the local police department, and the vet you’ll be taking your pet to. Arrangements like this aren’t uncommon in scandinavian countries. You jump to big brother because of our anti-white nutjob friend who wishes child protection services had fewer resources here. Centralized government control that only does harm is his peoples thing and its soured countless people on any form of effective governance. so long as people like him exist they will always work towards subverting justice into an empire of evil via lawfare
>huh, ban heroin? slippery slope incoming! THATS NOT VERY LIBERTARIAN OF YOU! COMMIES!

>>5108554
>it should be treated as more of a major lifestyle decision for a certain kind of person
Completely agree, there should be an exam and written commitment to be able to own a pet, too many people in my town get a dog and then let it spend its whole life tied up in the yard or let their cats roam about until they get ran over every few years, not to mention even more retarded stuff like owning a husky in a city where summers go above 35c. Pets shouldn't be something you go out and get to make you feel better or at least it should go both ways.

>>5111747
see you start out reasonable
then you start assuming and preaching (huskies do fine above 95f if not forced to live outside. they live all over mexico ffs)
Soon you will say… they need a six foot fence, never five, one acre, no, two acres, bonded pairs never broken up, no ownership of the dog (legal right stays with the rescue), ridiculous personal life checks… and guess who always takes power in this process? A mentally ill childless woman. After the chud revolution it will be a mentally ill childless man with insane pseudo-religious philosophical beliefs.

This is one area where a few dedicated people shouldnt and cant have power. The more distributed (and ultimately left to VETERINARIANS, not childless ideologues) animal protection is, the better. Because eventually vegans with some sort of schizo/pareidolia disorder re: animals will ruin fucking everything based on their delusions and ruin it until they achieve the old radical marxist fantasy of banning pets.

>>5111758
I'm no expert, I'm going off of what multiple vets have told me about huskies living in our city and the only husky I ever walked as a teen would go a block and start whining to go back home in the summer. Feel free to correct me with evidence, I'm perfectly open to believing otherwise.

I wouldn't go that far, I was just spitballing. But you have to recognize that there is rampant animal abuse that goes unchecked and uncared for everyday, I want a healthy balance between that and indiscriminate state surveillance. Like people shouldn't be allowed to have their pets breed uncontrolled, this lady down the street from keeps getting new cats and having them multiply, there must be hundreds of cats released into the streets from her nest over the last decade, another neighbour has a Pyrenees tied up in a four sq meter shed, that dog gets one walk a day and never sees sunlight outside of that half hour walk. I agree that too many people that could weigh in on the matter have delusional views on it, like some vegans I know that would rather save a gerbil than a human in a housefire.

I'm no bleeding heart animal activist, I just want common sense and respect to be applied. I fully recognize the danger of over-regulating or giving animal rights organisations oversight on the matter, but it's disgusting to see how animals are just plush toys or furniture to some I wish something or someone would change that.

>>5111765
And huskies live all over mexico. I guess if someone had such a husky you’d steal their dog and financially ruin them? Maybe just tell them to walk their dog in the morning and evening instead, karen

>there is rampant animal abuse
Yes, most of it is in non-native communities. They don’t enforce animal welfare among themselves. In their cultures they have animals in cage matches and brothels. Otherwise not really no just the kind of abuse that only exists in autists and karens heads. 90% of animal abuse could be tackled just by ending mass migration and requiring sterilization without some sort of breeding qualification (important: kennel clubs can never be allowed anywhere near that concept). The remaining 10% would be easy to handle and the majority of it is already handled by community enforcement.

>>5111771
you seem to be reading into things I am not saying, as I've said I'm purely going off of my personal experience, I've never been to Mexico and have no idea how many huskies there are there or how they live no matter how much you insist on it. Like I said, I'm open to believing otherwise but like you I go off of what I've seen or read, not something I randomly come across on the internet.
I've never threatened to take away anyone's dog, I just feel sad for them. I know this is 4chan but you'd think you could engage with an anon without petty name-calling.

But anyways I see you're going into some routine speech on immigrants or whatever so I feel like I've made a mistake in engaging you in the first place, see ya bud.

>>5111783
>wrongthink detected!
9/10 bestiality offenders on my local sex offender registry have hispanic names and are listed as white. It’s a problem. Radical leftists imported masses of people so they formed an ethnic clique of society instead of integrating and kept their culture and their language barrier. The dark figure (not reported, or reported but not followed up on) likely dwarfs the arrests.

The vast majority of cultures on earth accept some amount of animal torture that only westerners consider worth jailing people over. Torturing animals into compliance and leaving them outside 24/7 are the top two. Non-western countries often treat bestiality more casually as well, as forgivable personal immorality instead of a form of rape and a mark of irredeemable personal flaws (see; the infamous khamenei ruling on bestiality with goats, mexican donkey shows, colombia, brazil, india). In china bestiality is not even a crime, and neither is eating a dog alive. From an animal welfare standpoint, mass migration is a massive problem. Everyone has to stay the fuck out until vetted for good moral character.

The world is grim. You best stop believing there’s more moral civilizations than ours. Ours is shit, but you have no idea how evil it is outside where the brutality of survival and the scourge of ignorance forges evil traditions that infest and numb people so exposed for the duration of their entire life.

>>5111794
Don’t forget:
Halal slaughter
Kosher slaughter
Lag Ba’Omer pet sacrifices

Honestly this could be a good thing, if i can't have an opossum without a license, nobody should be able to have an intact cat or dog either without one.

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>>5111804
licenses also ensure poor people who typically don't have the money to treat animals well cannot own them

Doesn't prevent the rich person from drilling the anus of his dog and putting a flametorch inside the dog's anus, so we still have to fix the problem of these people torturing animals in secrecy by applying to animals the very same laws and procedures and agencies that exist to monitor human abuse

>>5111866
>by applying to animals the very same laws and procedures and agencies that exist to monitor human abuse
no, retard. animals are not of the same level of concern as people no matter how much you cry about it

>>5098159
>crush porn. It's a small step