>Profiting from your hard work is bad because you might end up with a little bit more than someone else who didn't work as hard, and that wouldn't be fair or something
>Profiting from your hard work is good because you might end up with a little bit more than someone else who didn't work as hard, and that would be fair according to the labor theory of value, a "major pillar of traditional Marxian economics"
Do you know how many people died to rid the world of communism? Do you know how many people were killed by communism? This cancerous fucking ideology ravaged our world and killed entire generations of men and women and children. For a century, they tried over and over again to make Karle Marx's ideas work in real life and it failed over and over again every fucking time killing millions of people in the process and causing unfathomable human suffering. And still, there are retards who want to keep trying it. it's like a honey pot. It's like a drug. It's like fentanyl. it just keeps ensnaring people over and over and over and over and over and over and over and they never ever ever ever learn. Like the racial grievance that Nazism plays on, envy of those who are more fortunate is a fundamental part of the human condition and it can never be totally extinguished. It just haunts us forever.
Do you know how many people died to rid the world of capitalism? Do you know how many people were killed by capitalism? This cancerous fucking ideology ravaged our world and killed entire generations of men and women and children. For a century, they tried over and over again to make Jeffrey Epstein's ideas work in real life and it failed over and over again every fucking time killing millions of people in the process and causing unfathomable human suffering. And still, there are retards who want to keep trying it. it's like a honey pot. It's like a drug. It's like fentanyl. it just keeps ensnaring people over and over and over and over and over and over and over and they never ever ever ever learn. Like the class grievance that Communism plays on, envy of those who are more fortunate is a fundamental part of the human condition and it can never be totally extinguished. It just haunts us forever.
>>21616097But what if you profit so much from your labor that you become a member of the bourgeois? then you'll have more stuff than other people, and that would be unequal! Oh, but no one could possibly get rich without exploiting other people (otherwise known as hiring employees) otherwise known as exchanging labor for capital and exchanging capital for labor in a market economy in a system known as capitalism. also, religion is false, and there is no God. That total non sequitur religion hatred marks was such a huge fedora tipping faggots atheist who had such a hate Boner for religion. He couldn't stop ranting about how much he hates God, even in his economic theories he can't stop talking about how much he hates God. God, I wish Karl Marx had killed himself instead of writing his retarded fucking book. Oh my God, I wish I could travel back in time and kill Karl Marx. I would kill him even if he was a baby. I would be saving the lives of hundreds of millions of people. is stupid cancerous ideology smothered in its cradle never to ravage the Earth and kill millions of people. Of course, something else would just take It's place. Probably something even worse.
>>21616117>words words words I want to kill babies words words wordsThe left can't meme.
>>21616117Marx’s hate of God especially makes no sense because most atheists believe in evolution, and communism goes directly against the culling of the weak, which is an essential piece in evolutionary theory.
>>21616125the left are, the commies you fucking idiot.
>>21616097Bunk theory of value spouted by worthless idiots like Keynes, go dig a hole in th ground, fill it up and dig the same hole again, that the monetary value of your labor. Anything else assumes you actually use capital like a good dog>>21616117Jesus you could have just said kill all commies like normal people>>21616110Every single and last one of them was either a bioleninst, thus deserving to die or a complete retard thus deserving to be jailed at an insane asylum until their leftism is curedRousseau, hegel and Kant were mistakes and the legacy chimpout of 1783 has been a disaster for humanity. >Abolish IP>Make actual property rights the first law in the constitution, second being that no man is was or ever will be equal to another>abolish all centralization unless absolutely necessary>hang anyone who proposes taxes go beyond 5% of the wealth of the countryTotal Leftist Death
>>21616101>Do you know how many people died to rid the world of communism ack ack ack
>>21616117nobody is taking your toothbrush.Don't hire and don't profit of labor of others and everything is fine.
>>21616409they're not 'easily preventable deaths'.if it's so easy to prevent, why don't you, share some of your vast wealth with the fucking africans?or do they not count?
>>21616417capitalism is not interested in developing AfrIQa it is marginally interested in workforce migrants from there and that's it.
>>21616423the question isn't about capitalism, the question is about you.if it's so easy to prevent these deaths, what's stopping communism from preventing those deaths?
>>21616427you are being disingenuous, you aren't even trying.
>>21616409>>21616411>We should help people>Communism>You HAVE to hand over everything you have to "help people" by funding a bloated bureucracy or its digital alternative>You have no right to your actual wealth, we decide what is yours or not depending on whomevers worthless labor was wasted the most on itYeah real smart dumbass please check which countries have problems like poverty and lack of means and which countries are heaven on earth places every chink,spic or nigger desperately wants to live in>TLDRCharity by its nature cannot be mandatory otherwise its theft, you have 0(zero) claims on someone elses property or wealth, no one is obliged to help anyone by anything other than their conscience and any other dictates are an assault on their rights>Oh but im a nigger so i just see starving niggers and not whiteys rightsYou deserve to starve and die horribly, rhe mistake of british Industrialists was to pick up the poor and destitute from the farms and trade with them a job in which they can save money for their work. labor+capital=value with neither labor nor capital having any value by themselves. This made journos possible.This disase was blind to any reality and focused on how tewwible it was that the now not starving to death peasants were able to save money and demanded, as if the money was theirs from their cozy urban homes the industrialists pay solely for the worthless labor instead of the natural, balancing act of the market.Since the capitalists actually listened to journos Britain now is currently desperately trying to starve itself by killing off the Kulaks like the communist shithole it will be
>>21616431you're dodging the question. now answer it.
>>21616459how does any of this fucking shit relates to how relations of productions under capitalist system result in unfair redistribution of wealth?You seem to think I am some neo-libshit
>>21616541gee i wonder why.it's almost like the vast majority of modern communists are or something.
>>21616544>modern communists>are le libshitsread Marx and tell me where his ideas align with these of the libshits
>>21616568it doesn't matter.fact is, they represent your movement now as they represent the majority of it.tough tits. when people look at you, they will see a libshit. we didn't make that happen.
>>21616574you're trying to force it through.nobody confuses libshits and Communists.
>>21616576no, i'm really not.you're coping, because you don't want to be conflated with these nutjobs. you're a *special* nutjob.
>>21616580for chuds anyone to the left of Trump are le communists
>>21616603yeah, and that's something you have to live with.'chud' just means most people to you. most people, see you as a sad, greedy headcase who just wants other people's stuff because you never had anything to begin with.
>>21616604Most people own nothing and the billionaires are telling them to be happy.Are you one of the billionaires? Telling my Comrades on /bant/ to eat ze bug and live in perpetual debt?
>>21616613most people on your side are lefty retards>YOU MUST BE A JEWISH BILLIONAIRE TRYING TO DEMORALIZE ME, HUH?no dude, i'm just trolling you and it's working.
>>21616615>and it's working even doe:>>21616431
>>21616616you talk like a nigger, and you're trying to tell me you're not this libshit faggot people see you as.not helping your case.
>>21616616Aren’t all trolls disingenuous? Isn’t that the point?
>>21616618>doe is a nigger word even doe came from incel tranime forum
>>21616621I am a geminin troll, since I have an agenda to push
>>21616623>uhm, i'm not a nigger>i'm an incel tranny
>>21616627geminin>>21616623You really are not good with words, are ya?
>>21616629>two posts by that id>>21616628took to phoneposting to advance your 'points'?
>>21616632I just got here, you’re a schizo lol.
>>21616632>deflecting againmany such cases! >>21616518
>>21616093So how does capitalism go about defending onlyfans whore earning more money than construction workers.
>>21616639it doesn't.wealthy gooners are willing to pay for onlyfans crap, not to mention women are never too far away from simps and orbiters.
>>21616541>Not a shitlibYou misunderstand the nature of your ideology. Its liberalism->Communism->FascismSee "Liberte, Equalite, Fraternite"Communism builds on top of shit libbery(all men are "equal" nonsense)And adds its own(all wealth is "equal" nonsense) and the logical end point is the realization of this which is fascism(all men and wealth of our nation is equal nonsense) as;>shitlibs act as this ideology comes second to what was for their vanguard ideology>Commies go full ham and would do anything including theft murder and rape to prove the ideology which at this point is basically a religion>The stickmen are this ideology adapting to reality enough to the point it does not immediately destroy the host society>Unfair (re)distribution of wealthWealth would have to be unfairly distributed in the first place for a redistribution to be considered,. Im saying literally your entire ideology alongside libs and fascists are completely wrong and were a mistake to begin with You have no rights over someone elses property and are frankly worthless unless you make something(Labor+Capital=work(all three of these are valued subjectively and are inherently risky due to acting with potentials as humans aren't omnipotent)
>>21616640Then maybe the goverment should regulate that. If no laws exsisted there would be a demand for child sex slaves, but we don't allow that to happen. Wish people were less retarded, then it wouldn't matter which ideology people believe in.
>>21616644>Then maybe the goverment should regulate that.well, they can't and they shouldn't.women have the right to freedom of speech. censorship is always wrong. get over it.women can pay rent with pictures of their feet, that doesn't mean you should go running to the mods of society like a sad redditor it means you should start criticizing these women.
>>21616647If women can pay rent with their feet and men have to work harder to pay the same rent that creates inbalance in society. Everyone should play by the same fair rules. People who cheat on the rules should be punished.
>>21616644honestly, did you seriously compare child sex slaves to pictures online?get over yourself, ritsu.
>>21616568They both are just different levels of the same line of enlightenment thinkers which were by themselves wrong to begin with>>21616613There is very little difference between a state and a corporation, the ideal nation would be %90 self employed like america back when it was becoming a superpower>>21616639It calls the whore and her community(likely family) retards and jacks off to it for free on the internet until they ban her from doing so as women and children aren't adult people who should be deciding things under normal circumstances desu.
>>21616653I gave an extreme example to make it more clear to you. If women used to not sell lewd pictures of themselves, but now they do that a lot. What impact does it have on society do you think? If just inflation is fucking up the economy, imagine how this is fucking up the culture.
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>>21616647>pay rent>rent is one million dollars a monthwowzers, that's a rent where exactly
>>21616654So capitalism can ban stuff? Sounds super commie to me. You shouldn't infringe on a womans liberty
>>21616658>Everyone should play by the same fair rules.equality, is not realistic.you need to get over that, too. some things are easier for women, and some things are easier for us. that's life.what you people refuse to accept, is that life is not fair. you cannot do anything to change that reality.
>>21616664We make the justice. Instead of just kicking a pebble to the side and say "Oh no reality is unfair". We have courts to make sure we are creating as much fairness as possible. Women shouldn't be able to pay rent with their fucking feet
>>21616668niggers have an average IQ of seventy.it's real easy for you to say 'make everything fair, everyone should be equal' in a racially homogenous society.not all of us are so lucky, ritsu.
>>21616670Nigs having an iq of 70 doesnt excempt them from laws even if they are 70 iq. Women shouldn't be whores and people should follow proper conduct. You can cry a river about how Norway is more racially homogenous, doesn't mean shit. Your country doesn't practice true equality it is a jew owned slave state.
>>21616644Okay, just don't force unwilling people to participate in government>The criminals would just leaveYes they would be outlaws which are not defended by law and only by the consciences of people they interact with, ideally no would be held accountable if an outlaw was shot >This would allow for tyrantsThe outlaw can also declare a new state and have other people voluntarily secede along with their property Which turns this into an international court case and maybe war depending on the contextThere is a whole caviat about having a higher state to dictate that the basic law of voluntarism would be applied via its calling to arms of other states under it but too long so just go look at the HRE and think on how you would improve it alongside a better foundation to start of your choosing
>>21616093>buying assets, getting rent from your 273 properties you inherited by doing absolutely nothing and having people slave for you while the only thing you contribute is giving capital that'll come back into you hands multiplied is hardwork because... it just is, OK???
>>21616682I think his point was you can’t really make society easier for niggers because that would be making it harder for anyone not retarded.
>>21616683>Okay, just don't force unwilling people to participate in governmentThis is unlikely a good thing. If goverment can just let people form their own goverments on whims tyrannies can easily take over. A lot of the time people don't take rational choices. People create this misconception that humans take the first most logical rational choice every time. This is what happens when you use markets who are based on rational choices for profit towards political systems which aren't based on rational choices often. >>21616689First on the nigger question. You have a group of people who were slaves for generations. Bred like cattle. Then suddenly freed up. The instutions supposed to help them to vote and such were sabotaged by KKK and the democratic party. Their living standards, way of living being that of a second class citizen. Then you expect them to be on par with the white people who have been basically leeching off of them and getting all the best spots in society.
>>21616663A communist state can operate under an lolbert(super capitalist) state as an extreme example yes(for 1ms before they chimpout and attack everyone)>>21616684This is pure envy, those properties aren't yours by default>Ideally build your property somewhere else or buy for an agreed price between you and the NEET richfag>But im not allowed to do soThat is the problem we need to solve i believe. I blame the incentives for certain industries being funneled from the rest of the economy and the consequent heavy taxes >which realistically benefit the afro mentioned rich NEETs party member fatherA solution might be to end monetary incentives for industries and for already paid incentives to be paid back directly to the people as proportional to the taxes they paid for it
>>21616693Oh whatever. Africans who live there were not bred to be slaves.
>>21616698You make it sound like a revolunary thing that a country is under dominion of another country. A commie state could never exsist under a super capitalist state just like vice versa. They would directly threaten each other. With federations/unions, the weaker country has to be kept under a thight leash.>>21616702Yes they weren't bred to be slaves, but were under colonial rule. Having most of their intellectual elite wiped out only having a few leaders left who were directly working with europeans. African states turned into slave hunting states because of high demand from Europe. They had no time be self suffiecent when under dominion of foreign powers. It's like if aliens took over europe, then for hundreds of years they have lost anyone capable of running the country. Now serbs and russians and italians have to make and share a single goverment.Just take Belgium's Congo as an example of how africa was just a resource for europeans. As for iq shit. African immigrants to US have higher grade averages than afro americans.
>>21616709>African immigrants to US have higher grade averages than afro americans.well, the statistic of niggers having an average IQ of seventy, was from africans.so, i can't imagine afro americans are doing so good.
>>21616716>Muh iqAccording to iq and the flynn effect all of our ancestors were more stupid than us. I don't trust random iq statistics.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_immigration_to_the_United_States>African immigrants to the US are among the most educated groups in the United States. Some 48.9 percent of all African immigrants hold a college diploma. This is more than double the rate of native-born white Americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans>In 2019, 42% of sub-Saharan African immigrants age 25 and older held a bachelor's degree or higher, compared with 33% for all foreign- and U.S.-born adults combined.So they have an average iq of 70 but are more likely to have a bachelors?
>>21616723>I don't trust random iq statistics.i don't care how much stock you put in it. these are the facts.what's also a fact, is that DEI exists.
>>21616693As i said i think the HRE is a good base to start off with this question. The monopolization of government should be avoided while basic authority should existIt would be the:>Local government which can be replaced as you said on a whim>Provincial or intermediary governments which are locals interacting with each other, less authority but binding legality to its constituents until they or their local gov secedes>Super fed government which has up to 10-20 laws max and is mainly concerned with as you said the system not getting toppled by tyrants, has very little authority but is legally binding and cannot be seceded from, ideally a theological claim or head of government Note that states are also mostly interchangeable with corporations as one is political union and the other is an economic union>>21616709No what im saying is that a communist state principally would be allowed to exist under a super capitalist state until it aggreses while a super communist state would actively hunt capitalists One has freedom of thought and the other does not. One is legalist and just while the other is realist and arbitrary
>>21616725Surely it's DEI. They give college degrees out freely like candy to everyone who is black these days apperently. In your world most black people have basically down syndrome level intelligence and yet are all just handed college degrees. Fuck me
>>21616733once again, it's really easy to spout this crap when you live in a country where you don't have to deal with niggers on a daily basis.fuck off, ritwit.
>>21616734Not an argument.
>>21616737don't care. i've already proven my point that niggers are fucking dumb.you still haven't provided any evidence for your points. even belacuck has done that much. >>21616659
>>21616738>belacuck>even doe it is under capitalist system that americucks toil away for their 100x time richer overlords
>>21616740the white people are talking.
>>21616738No wonder jews own you goyslaves. All of you are constantly fighting strawmen and each other while having your brains fucked over by all the chemicals in your food and water. If you think I haven't proven anything you are beyond anything
>>21616744you need evidence, ritwit. you need to cite your sources, you can't just spout stuff, expect people to just believe it at face value, and then go>i've proven somethingi did prove my point, with facts and evidence. as much as you liberals like to pretend that stuff doesn't matter, it does. sorry!
>>21616756I sent you earlier about educational attainment, but then went muh iq and DEI.https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/01/27/key-findings-about-black-immigrants-in-the-u-s/> Between 2000 and 2019, the share of Black immigrants with at least a bachelor’s degree has increased faster than among other populations in this analysis. Nearly a third of Black immigrants ages 25 and older (31%) had at least a bachelor’s degree in 2019, up from 21% in 2000. This 10 percentage point increase was larger than the increase among the Black U.S.-born population (8 points), the entire U.S.-born population (9 points) and the entire immigrant population (9 points)Also if I remember right nigerians and people from kenya where the ones who were more likely to get higher education. Lowest ones were from somalia and haiti which makes sense since they are politically fucked shitholes
>>21616763I’m sorry, but how does this prove niggers aren’t brain dead? This just proves they can pass college… anyone can do that now. Especially black people.
>>21616766YOU GET FUCKED OVER BY A CAPITALIST, NOT A NIGGER
>>21616766So being able to perform as well as others doesn't disqualify you from being braindead?You know indian immigrants perform better than the average white dude, care to tell me what the average iq of India is
>>21616770…okay, but how does that make niggers not dumb. Are we seriously arguing about this? I think it’s pretty obvious they’re not exactly on einstine’s level. Neither are we, but we actually have the potential to be.
>>21616775Einstein is a jew lmao not a white person. Atleast use a non jew as an example
>>21616774Performing the same under equity doesn’t mean anything. That’s what equity does.
>>21616778I was being facetious.
>>21616775…okay, but how does that make capitalists not exploitative. Are we seriously arguing about this? I think it’s pretty obvious they’re not exactly on Jesus level. Neither are we, but we actually have the potential to be.
>>21616782>jesusWho cares about stick jew?
>>21616682Niggers should be exempt from white governments. They should be let to segregate as both them and the whites wantThe laws you are talking about are basic bitch stuff, the jews managed with 10 and the romans 12 of these for centuries. It's disingenuous to say that these are the same as the books worth of totalitarian dictates commies spout. In fact we should be able to do with less of these universal laws for effective government rather than more and more specific laws by which can be handled by locals as seen fit
>>21616779So Indians are getting the red carpet too I'm assuming. Meanwhile Timmy is getting no support. So what kind of support are indian immigrants getting?
>>21616093Capitalism is a class system, not an economic systemLet's say I have 2m$ in stocks and the value of those stocks raises to 4m$Where did the 2m$ extra come from?The government printed it. I get it because I have wealth and you don't.
>>21616789Dude, you’re not even in America. You have no idea how correct your sarcastic assertion is. That’s exactly what’s happening lol. White Timmy get shafted so Abul Hakeem Nareem Mohammed and SHITTERFITTER can get masters.
>>21616785Yes amendments I get you and having federal versus state law. Even communists have stuff like this. I think the ccp has a constitution where they have inalienable rights to their citizens. Not that they bother enforcing them I think>>21616805Timmy is smoking weed and playing games while SHITTERFITTER is being beat by his pajeetina mommy for not studying hard enough. Abdul gets his ass beat by his dad for not having a good enough grade.
>>21616814>all white people smoke weed that’s why we need to give equity to niggersYou are straight up just dumb. At least when we’re racist, we back it up.
>>21616818How many times do you see white people beat their kids for having shitty grades?
>>21616820Uh, me, when I was a kid.
>>21616825Most white people aren't like that. Meanwhile most asian households are brutal when it comes to grades. Unironically same with african immigrants, but not the same with afro americans. They have better grades because they study more not because of DEI. Unironically DEI bullshit applies more to afro americans than anything else who are lazy and have a rotten culture.
>>21616828You don’t get to tell me what most people in my country are like.
>>21616829Ahahah. I can't say anything because your fat american ass has a monopoly on any facts about US.
>>21616830>>21616828I went into that place, every day, kicking and screaming, scratching and clawing. I beat people, I hit children whether they were bigger or smaller. I took my anger out on them because violence worked in my experience. It wasn’t right. And I’m trying to be less of a douchebag these days. You can pretend like these problems only effect muh Asians, but they effect us all. The education system is flawed. Until you spend a decade in that place, I don’t wanna hear it.
>>21616832>I went into that place, every day, kicking and screaming, scratching and clawing. I beat people, I hit children whether they were bigger or smaller.You sound like an unhinged retard. If you didn't specify it was you, I would think it was one of these niggers you are so informed about
>>21616833I was ten. I didn’t know what I was doing was wrong. Those stats come from grown men.
>>21616833You people go to prison, and wind up in a hotel better than most you’ll find in Florida. Go to hell.
>>21616782Commies have a god complex and are undeniably evil. You have to work and have consent for authority over others. You are establishing a system that incentivizes sociopathic bureaucrats and oppresses any opposition with unchecked violence>>21616789The current elites are delusional shitlibs slowly drifting to communism. They would Unironically try everything they could that could possibly prove all men being equal otherwise they have no legitimacy and the destruction of themselves and everything they ever did be just and necessary. Any non white immigrants including indians basically get leniency for their usual brown shittery. It's a short lived and a bad policy as it devalues your schools, companies and other organizations with applicants even less reliable than standardized testing produces.>>21616791government is horribly inefficient in generating wealth to the point its %99.9 of the time actively destroying or hoarding it, Fiat Toilet paper has no value by itself. What the government did by printing money was taxing you both by lowering the value of all cash while the government has more cash since they have the new printYou just get fucked over more by this money fraud>>21616814They do what I'm saying in the inverse, their fed has total authority and authority gets less and less as you get more local. This makes sense as a bureaucracy as you level up and down but is horribly tyrannical.What I'm saying is that counties should have almost total authority which gets lower in a state level and even lower at a federal level with say county has 100 laws state should have 50 and the fed 10 >authority should be limited as its width increases with max authority being you dictating yourself and min authority being all of humanity
>>21616835And who is to say you weren't capable of being criminal scum growing up?What normal 10 yearold bites, screams, kicks and beats up another person?Only a 10 yearold with problems. Maybe your parents should have euthanised you for your nigger behaviours
>>21616837Modern libs aren't interested in true equality and push for racial diversity bullshit. If there is a test and an ethcnity scores way worse on it I wouldn't change the test at all. The problem appears when people blame sociological problems on genetics. Then further those problems to make more of a self fulfilling propechy. It's very easy for people to think talent than hard work these days. With the olympics, nobody is banning asians from competing in sprinting, but most sprinters are nigs.As for the thing about states. I don't really have much of an opinion on that. Maybe it could go well, maybe it could go bad. but I doubt having dramatically different countries under one bigger institution would create any cohesion and just be ineffiecent imo
>>21616840I wasn’t, a normal ten year old. I was a violent, irrational asshole. That’s what that fucking place turned us all into. You think I was the only one fighting? In your goddamned dreams.
>>21616097The idea that value comes from effort expended is total bunk. Smart and talented people find everything easier so then this idea would suggest that the product of the incompetent but hard working would have greater value this is obviously not true. Value is a product of utility by and large but also somewhat subjective.
>>21616125I want black women to have access to traveling abortionist
>>21616847Stop creating excuses. You were born a violent piece of shit and everyone should avoid you. Who knows you might blow up again. It's best if we kept people like you away from more civilised people
