Welcome to the Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's leading decentralized P2P privacy cryptocurrency!Monero is secure, low-fee, and fungible, meaning users can send XMR around the globe despite corrupt governments or broken financial systems. Innovative privacy features such as Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses, and Ring CT ensure that Monero's blockchain is obfuscated -- In other words, the financial history of all Monero users is encrypted from the prying eyes of adversaries on a public blockchain, with transactions being visible only by a user willingly providing a view key.Monero has also improved upon the scaling downsides of current popular cryptocurrencies. To avoid high fees, dynamic block size ensures that the size of the blocks will increase as the amount of transactions increases. Further, the mining network algorithm RandomX establishes that anybody with a CPU can participate in mining, preventing the ASIC miner domination that creates a high barrier to entry. Lastly, the mining network will be preserved by Tail Emission -- instead of the block reward falling to zero like with Bitcoin, the block reward gradually approached 0.6 XMR in June 2022, where it will forever stay. This constant linear inflation means the inflation rate will asymptotically go to zero while continuing to provide an incentive to miners to maintain the network.If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4XMR Stats: moneroj.netUSE Monero: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.orgWHERE TO GET MONERO?>KYC:KrakenBitfinex>Non KYC:LocalMonero ***shutting down***MorphtokenBisqTradeogreCrypto ATMssee: kycnot.me>Miningarchive.is/TWOahHOW TO STORE MONERO?>DesktopOfficial Gui/CliFeather>MobileIOS: CakewalletAndroid: Monerujo
>>58650542I saw your other thread where you admitted that your team and community are anti-White, open borders globohomos, pro-gay and pro covid-19 lockdowns. What a bunch of faggots. Dumping this shitcoin.
>>58650812Are you just bored or something?
>>58650812make sure you market sell
>>58650812thank you for bumping the thread.
>>58650812weird fud>>58650831>or somethingbuy signal tbqh
>>58650840they’re trying to buy
Why not just name it the crime coin lmao
>>58651639please do, you guys did that to bitcoin and look where it got you
monero belongs under 100 USD
>>58651943Based captain. See you on the 4th!
retard itthow to swap xmr for btc or eth?>why?my seller of genuinely legal stuff is retarded and thinks xmr is for criminals
Somebody somewhere is gunning for Tether now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE2nfBXU5rs
>>58653191changenow.io or some other swap service like that
>>58653191Trocador is my goto for quick swaps
>>58650542I wanna convert some PayPal to Monero. Are there any exchanges that can do this? KYC is accepted.Also, since LocalMonero is shutting down, are there any alternative platforms that convert XMR to Western Union?My process is like this: PayPal -> XMR -> Western Union (to receive IRL).
happy to see generals are still up
>>58659405we use telegram "verified" groups because its a small ass country and everyone knows everyone kind ofits bartering
>>58659750just give up already
>>58659757How can I join "verified" telegram groups?
>>58659792check my namefagits in lebanon because we actually know the people hence why verifiedits just easier to barter on telegram, here at leastits stupid but its working so far, with war and shit I have more concerns lol>>58659758when keynesians give up
Testsaar
okay bros how do I get a credit card with monero that actually works for online subscriptions?Let's say I want to support people on x.com and kofi and subscribestar that I don't want my name associated with.Is that be at all possible and how illegal is that?
>>58660320forgot my thought provoking image
>>58660320You are actually retarded and have no idea how crypto/monero works.
>>58650840>if (other.has_opinion(NEGATIVE_XMR_STANCE))>{> print("Market sell Idiot.")>}
this coin has already pumped, i missed the train, now it won't do a x100, best it could do a x10am I in the wrong here ?
>>58663513xmr is at its absolute topusdt ban will be in affect in 10 days - ramoving cake wallet from normie usexmr will only dump until it find its bottom in the lower 2 digits
>>58660344what are you talking about? what does this have to do with how monero works?they sell prepaid credit cards on cake and trocador and stealths. It's just that these don't work for subscriptins usually. I'm looking for an option that allows recurring payments
>>58663513It'll pump to 220 and then down to 105.>>58663547Normies will suck xmr out of whatever hole they need to. It's a monopoly.
>>58650542Delete this pepe. After 8 years I won't aks you again
>>58667866Politicians are the scum of the earth.
>>58663547any other coin would have been dead by now between all the delistings and on ramps being destroyed. it won’t play out the way you say it will.
I told you baggies to sell at $180. Why didn't you listen?
>>58668543I'm not at a point where I hold any significant amount and honestly since it's so fucking ahrd to even get kyc free xmr rn I'd rather hold on to it.It's going up again eventually. degeneracy is for surveilance coins for me
>>58650542pedo coin
cunny coin
>>58668543Because I bought again when it bounced off the 800h. This move isn't over until King Shitcoin tanks hard.
AI summaries of MRL meetings (again I cannot remember what was the last one posted):22nd of May: >Discussion of potential measures against black marble attacks, including increasing ring size and fees.>Rucknium presented preliminary cost-effectiveness analysis for different ring sizes and fees to defend against black marble flooding.>Proposal to award a contract to Veridise for reviewing and potentially proving Full-Chain Membership Proofs (FCMPs).>The proposed cost for Veridise's work is $10,000 USD, to be paid through MAGIC.>Debate over the transparency of auditor options and quotes, with some names redacted for privacy reasons.>Concerns raised about Veridise's low price quote and short estimated completion time, but overall support for awarding them the contract due to their qualifications.>Discussion of the timeline for FCMP++ implementation, estimated at 16-18 months.>Consideration of a potential hard fork before FCMP++ to mitigate vulnerabilities.>Brief mention of coinbase consolidation transaction types and their potential impact on P2Pool mining.>Agreement to move forward with the Veridise proposal for FCMP review, pending any major objections.>Tevador shared thoughts on black marble attacks in a GitHub issue.
>>5866971129th of May:>A draft paper on "Defeating a Black Marble Flood Against Monero" was completed, suggesting large ring size increases and modest fee increases as potential deterrents.>Concerns were raised about monerod performance issues, including nodes falling behind and memory problems during high transaction volumes.>A task force was proposed to address daemon inefficiencies and create a benchmark testnet for testing.>The Full-Chain Membership Proofs (FCMP) project is progressing, with Veridise now onboarded for the work.>Discussion on optimal ring sizes, with analysis suggesting larger sizes (up to 60 or 64) could be more cost-effective against attacks.>Consideration of a modified clawback mechanism for transactions with multiple outputs to discourage spam.>Updates on FCMP transaction sizes, with estimates ranging from 3000 to 5500 bytes for a 2-input/2-output transaction.>Acknowledgment that long-term scaling solutions may require parallel processing to address verification time issues.5th of June:>Stress testing of monerod is ongoing, with a new "stressnet" created for testing network limits and performance.>The txpool reached nearly 200MB during testing, with over 16 hours of backlogged transactions.>Memory usage spiked to 17GB on one node during stress testing, suggesting potential memory management issues.>Work continues on optimizing ring size and fee analysis for potential black marble attacks.>Full-Chain Membership Proofs (FCMP) development is in progress, though no specific updates were shared.>Discussions on transaction verification processes in monerod, particularly regarding when expensive cryptographic checks are performed.>Upcoming MoneroKon presentations on scaling changes and cryptocurrency's role in banking the unbanked were mentioned.>Various ongoing development efforts were reported, including LWS remote scanning, fixes for duplicate transactions, and improvements to the P2P stack.
>>5866972012th of June:>A stressnet release has been published for testing Monero nodes under high load conditions. Stress testing is set to begin on June 19th.>Researchers are working on various projects including full chain membership proofs (FCMP), scaling improvements, and traffic pattern obfuscation.>A Shiny app was created to visualize the fee/ring size tradeoff for black marble defense.>Discussions on potential measures against black marble attacks, including analysis of how reducing the surge factor could limit short-term attack effectiveness.>A PhD researcher presented work on improving Inner-Product Arguments (IPA) in zero-knowledge proofs, potentially benefiting Bulletproofs and range proofs in Monero.>The proposed IPA improvements could reduce proving and verification time to 1/2 of the original time.>Discussions on how the IPA improvements might impact Full Chain Membership Proofs (FCMP) and Generalized Bulletproofs.>Clarifications on the efficiency analysis of the proposed IPA improvements, noting potential optimizations for verifier performance.>Interest expressed in further exploring the application of the improved IPA to FCMPs and range proofs, pending performance evaluations and expert review.
>>5866972819th of June:>Stress testing of monerod is in progress, with reliable reproduction of out-of-memory errors when a stressnet node has many connections.>Stressnet is running for performance testing, expected to continue for about two months. Developers are encouraged to sync nodes and test performance patches.>Progress on Full-Chain Membership Proofs (FCMPs) was discussed, including completion of a proof for the divisor technique and ongoing review processes.>An implementation of compressed sigma-ipa was presented, claiming 50% optimization on verification times compared to BP's IPA.>Discussion of a potential "black marble attack" was mentioned, with updates expected in the next meeting.>Various ongoing development efforts were reported, including work on transaction anomaly detection, fcmp trim_tree algorithm implementation, and updates to serialization code.>The meeting concluded with plans for further testing and review of proposed optimizations and proofs related to FCMPs and other Monero technologies.
Currently, Monero faces a significant challenge due to the limited availability of P2P platforms for exchanging fiat currency into XMR.One of the primary methods to acquire Monero right now involves purchasing Bitcoin via platforms like RoboSats and subsequently swap it for Monero on unKYC exchanges.RoboSats is a simple and private way to exchange bitcoin for national currencies. Robosats simplifies the peer-to-peer user experience and uses lightning hold invoices to minimize custody and trust requirements. The deterministically generated avatars help users stick to best privacy practices.This bounty aims to incentivize and support the development of a fork of RoboSats based on monero.The community has already demonstrated its capability by successfully creating Haveno, a fork of Bisq. Expanding the availability of P2P exchange platforms not only enhances convenience but also strengthens the resilience and decentralization of the Monero network, aligning with its core principles of privacy and user autonomy. As the Monero community continues to evolve, the development of robust P2P infrastructure will play a pivotal role in its journey towards broader acceptance and usability.https://bounties.monero.social/posts/141/0-100m-create-a-fork-of-robosats-based-on-monero
The only way to utilize Multisig is via the CLI wallet. I believe incorporating this functionality into the GUI wallet would facilitate its usage.Example use cases:shared account (1-of-2; both husband and wife individually have full access to their funds)consensus account (2-of-2; both husband and wife must agree to spend their funds)threshold account (2-of-3; an escrow service is involved as an independent 3rd party, to co-sign with either the seller, or with the buyer, if seller and buyer do not agree)secure account (2-of-3; a single owner controls all 3 keys but secures them via a different means to diversify risks)arbitrary threshold account (M-of-N; some cryptocurrencies provide full flexibility on the number of signers)https://bounties.monero.social/posts/139/0-200m-add-multisig-in-the-gui-wallet
monerostoreita.comhithis is my site where you can sell thing on XMR and USDT, you can convert USDT to XMR in some way, and you can send messages to you friendi dont have ssh so write down monerostoreita.com and check iti would like to recive some feedbackno, i'm not a indian scammer, italia here, pizza pasta mandolino
Is there a particular Haveno network that is best to use? Or at least any to avoid?Also Happy Pentecost!!
>>58663547USDT is never going to get banned because Tether keeps buying a gorillion Treasuries as backing.
>>58671532Reto is the only one that is actually live. There was an attempted at launching something calling themselves "haveno main" but it was a mega obvious grift (even bought @haveno on telegram) and cloned the official haveno website. In the end they never even launched.
>>58659405Buying crypto with PayPal is against the ToS, so doing it is risking getting banned and having your money stolen.The best way is to transfer the money from Paypal to a bank account, then buy Monero with it.
What's the current meta for SELLING monero for cash by mail?
>>58675057haveno https://github.com/retoaccess1/haveno-reto/releases/tag/v1.0.7still in beta tho don't do high ammounts
MONEROMARKET.IO
>>58674181That's the issue, fren. I don't have a bank account nor can I create one. I wanna cash out with Monero and then converting that Monero to Western Union.Also, PayPal does let you buy crypto. For example, in the US, there is a tab for buying crypto within the PayPal app. I CTRL+F'd "crypto" in every page of the tos (paypal.com/my/legalhub/useragreement-full) and crypto didn't come up.I receive my salary, as a freelancer, through PayPal. For future reference, no, I cannot change it to Monero directly(sadly). I tried joining >>58659841 telegram group but to no avail.There has to be an entity that exchanges PayPal balance for XMR. I wanted to use LocalMonero but it went defunct right when I started working.
>>58676134My current idea is to buy Mastercard Gift Cards from my PayPal balance and use that or convert it to XMR and buy with it western union and receive western union IRL.
>>58650542We need one of these for VestaRWA too, I’ll start
>need to renew my pass>"We currently accept (...) Litecoin (...)">swap XMR for LTC as i always did, no option to pay with LTC though, only some dogshit browser or mobile wallets available through coinbase>create and try multiple wallets, none have LTC payment option, despite storing LTC>in the end had to swap XMR to MATIC (whatever that is) and paying with thatwhat the fuck happened? You used to be able to just pay with a simple BTC/LTC transaction.If someone is looking for ideas: selling 4chan passes on moneromarket (i believe you can buy gift passes?), i'd gladly pay a premium to not have to deal with this coinbase commerce bullshit.
>>58650542How low are we going? I would love to pick up a fat stack at $120 but something tells me I won't get the chance.
>>58673795Thank you!
>>58676183Vestarrwa? i prefer on sharkroll instead
Extremely common Monerochan win.
>>58681978Starting to get tired of all this winning.
>syncing with cakewallet>starting from 3,000,000 blocks>gets down to less than 200,000 blocks>app crashes, restart>back to over 3,000,000 blocks leftThis has happened 3 times now. Any ideas on what I should do?
>>58684388Try switching nodes, I had a similar issue a while back but I believe I had to reinstall cake.
>>58684388Maybe it's the background sync. It's broken. You can turn it of in the settings.
>>58684492I can't find that setting. Maybe I have an outdated version of the app but since my phone is old it never updated. I'm using android 7.0.
>>58685227>android 7Big update guy huh? For your own security you should probably update to a supported version, and you'll likely fix your issue at the same time.
>>58685227>old phoneFollow on, I'd upgrade hardware at least to a cheap supported pixel and install GOS or something. If youre that cash strapped look at lineage os for your current phone but if your wallet and security isn't worth a couple hundred bucks I don't know what to tell you.
>>58651749
>>58669711>>58669720>>58669728>>58669730Everyone's distracted by meme coins
>>58686178Yeah I had to got to matic to get my fix. Monero's a $165 stablecoin today
>>58685708>>58685744It's not that I'm cheap it's just why replace something if it still works (also just never liked upgrading to a new phone)? I haven't checked the app in over a year and I'm just learning now a lot of things are no longer supported for it. It keeps saying it's up to date when I check for updates (SM-G928V). Guess I can't use monero on mobile anymore until I get a new phone.
>>58687786>why replace something if it still worksBecause its an unfixable security hole as android 7 hasn't been supported since 2019. If like most people youre doing banking etc on your phone you are putting yourself at risk. If you're really committed to keeping it at least look into lineage OS and maybe you will get some kind of security patches. Its your personal security so do as you please but just know that you're willingly vulnerable.
>>58676134>>58676168>>58659405Okay bros, I found a solution. Buy Gift Cards through G2A with PayPal, buy Bitcoin with them on Paxful or any other platforn, swap Bitcoin with XMR.A more anonymous way to do this is to buy Amazon Gift Cards and trade em over Bisq.
>>58690351have you tried looking at localcoinswap.com?
>>58690351why not just cash by mail, paypal or revolut in haveno?is anyone using shopinbit? I can't finalize my purchase somewhow. bit confusing
>58650542Crypto is satanic, therefore incredibly jewish
>>58694489>Nooo! You have to use fiat! Anything else is Jewish!Kek
Can anyone please share the link of the Monero song where the chorus goes, "Monero is a (something), Monero is a scam, Monero is a waste of time and moneyyyyyyy?" Certified hood classic.
On the philosophy of money, should cryptocurrencies including Monero be classified as fiat money? A web search shows several definitions of fiat money:"Fiat money is a type of currency that is not backed by a precious metal, such as gold or silver. It is typically designated by the issuing government to be legal tender, and is authorized by government regulation." -Wikipedia"Fiat currencies are government-issued currencies that are not backed by a tangible commodity, such as gold or silver." -Skilling.com"Simply put, fiat currency is legal tender that derives its value from its issuing government rather than a physical good or commodity." -Binance Academy"Fiat money is a currency that lacks intrinsic value and is established as a legal tender by government regulation." -Corporatefinanceinstitute.com"Fiat money is a government-issued currency that is not backed by a physical commodity, such as gold or silver, but rather by the government that issued it. The value of fiat money is derived from the relationship between supply and demand and the stability of the issuing government, rather than the worth of a commodity backing it. " -InvestopediaXMR is not backed by precious metals, but the preceding definitions emphasize government issuance. So does it make a difference if the issuers are government agents as opposed to cryptography experts? I see more similarities than differences between the properties of XMR and national fiat currencies. XMR behaves like a digital national currency, except it is private, much harder to inflate and much harder to confiscate. To me, the lack of precious metal backing is more significant than government sponsorship, so I consider Monero a fiat currency. But I also agree with John McAfee that a currency derives its value from its use case, so being a fiat currency isn't bad per se. Monero could be viewed as an ideal fiat currency.
>>58694441Where's that guy?
>>58694978"Fiat" means "by decree" if I'm not mistaken. I'm not completely sure if just the issuance is done by decree, or if it means that acceptance is forced by decree too. Crypto certainly doesn't fit the acceptance part, since nobody is forced to accept it, except BTC in El Salvador. Whether it can be issued by decree is tricky: it is created initially by decree but then the minting is more predictable and governed by harder rules than even gold mining, so it would be unfair to call it fiat. But nobody stops you from making your own new crypto that nobody accepts, so crypto as a whole seems kinda fiat in the same way that the group of things that can be currencies can by "inflated" by crap by "fiat". My final answer: crypto as a whole is fiat, individual cryptocurrencies like XMR, BCH etc are not fiat.
>>58694978>It is typically designated by the issuing government to be legal tender, and is authorized by government regulation.>legal tenderIs statist for "we will shove a plunger up your ass and throw you in the bbc pit if you don't accept this as money"They always try to confuse the issue with bs about gold and silver, hard money, opportunity cost, ..., but it's just legal tender laws / threat of force that makes fiat. For instance after 1873 the US minted silver fiat coins which were supposed to be worth a certain weight of gold, even though the silver they were made of wasn't near that valuable.
Need my paycheck to go STRAIGHT to Monero.
>page 9literally dead
>>58650542It's insane to me that this thing is still in the top 30 by marketcap after all the delistings.
>>58699299>t's insane to me that this thing is still in the top 30 by marketcap after all the delistingsThe only way out is through.
Art fund anon here. Looking for opinions on the 'doing laundry' commission. Redoing it because the first one (picrel) wasn't Monero enough.This time I think she should be in her classic dress bent over (or posing in front of) a washing machine in her classic dress.
Since her panties are covered in Monero logos I'm thinking we could get away without seeing her face or the front of her dress. Which pose would you prefer?If you don't like any of these feel free to post a reference pic for something you like better.
>>58700836For me its 2 or 4. Leaning towards 4
>>58699299Monero provides actual utility, so whether X or Y popular exchange supports it has no bearing.
>>587008362>3>4>1
>>58699299>It's insane to me that this thing is still in the top 30 by marketcap after all the delistings.lol why? Its not like demand for Monero is going to evaporate just because its getting delisted, especially now that its become essential for black and grey market commerce, so demand should only increase over time as that economy grows and expands.Crypto that has no organic demand outside of the clown market, however, is indeed vulnerable to sudden implosion, so think twice about buying/holding bags of useless dogshit.
>>58700805I like the classic washboard-and-wood-tub look. Maybe needed some of her clothes hanging on a laundry line, plus more visual Monerochan-ness (e.g. eyes and orange hair highlights more prominent).
>>5866973026th of June:>Stress testing of monerod revealed issues with larger blocks around 1.5MB, requiring lowering of '--block-sync-size' for proper synchronization.>Default monerod settings may cause network splits if block sizes increase significantly on mainnet.>Node startup with a large txpool (600MB) takes about an hour, though a patch has reduced this by 2-5x.>Black marble attack defense strategies were updated with visualizations for optimal fee and ring size combinations.>Progress reported on Full-Chain Membership Proofs (FCMP) research, including completion of a report and ongoing review processes.>Improvements in multi-exponentiation and compressed sigma IPA could potentially provide 5-10% performance gains for FCMP verification.>Discussions on the trade-offs between prover and verifier efficiency improvements for FCMP.
>>58699299It's only insane if you aren't valuing crypto by the utility it provides (like a company), but like fiat currency (read: a Ponzi scheme). Monero has great actual utility as digital cash that's anonymous by default.
Anyone here have https://archived.moe/wsg/thread/5553687/#5559206 ?
>>58694978If you want to get really autistic you need to differentiate between money and currency. What most people call money (dollars, euros, etc.) is actually currency and not money. Among other things the definition of money requires intrinsic value, which bank notes don't have. Monero is similar to fiat currencies because it's also a currency not backed by fixed exchange ratio to anything. This is not necessarily a bad thing but governments usually can't help themselves and hyperinflate their currencies in the long run. Monero doesn't have this problem, of course.
>>58684388>>58685227Use Bitcoin then, it's designed to actually work with old hardware and not require a fucking supercomputer.>>58685744"jUsT sPeNd mOrE mOnEy On MoRe HaRdWaRe" is a gay suggestion.
>>58701632discreet sisters...
>>58705172>meme text>idiot take on personal security>use 7tps survellience coinYeah, checks out dimwit
Is it just me or mining has been less profitable overtime even when the hard limit of 0.6XMR reward per block was imposed?I know I'm being over-dramatic about it for using an i3 for mining, but I used to make about .000010 per 1-2 days and now i'm making .000005-ish per 1-2 days and the world hashrate is still kinda the same as always
my friend bought an old 2006 laptop without a camera or microphone. he wants to put tails os on a usb and store monero on itis this a good idea?(he wants to commit financial fraud)
>>58707467If he doesn't fuck up it can work.
>>58706436>>58707481Again all this "just buy premium hardware so you can run monero over tor on tails on a luks encrypted drive but only buy it p2p with a cash dead drop" is stupid inaccessible. make it so I can run monero on an old phone without pissing autism everywhere
>>58707467>is this a good idea?Make sure the WiFi-Bluetooth M.2 card has been physically removed from the laptop (easy tutorials on YouTube).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPn6VCSScpQThen follow this guide: https://libereco.xyz/monero-cold-storage-with-feather-anonero/This about as secure as it gets.
>>58707797This wasn't even directly related to just monero on your phone and these are just the facts, like it or not, unmaintained software is a major vulnerability. A suggestion was given for a totally free option to improve their security (lineage os) since you're concerned about the cost.>The only one pissing autism around here is you.
>>58707467what >>58707824 said>turns out you do need a cameraalso I would be scared of the old thing kicking the bucket. >>58707481that's why monero has tail emissions
That BTC University faggot can't stop mentioning XMR.Genius take as well, everybody knows drug dealers routinely transfer their offshore savings into KYC'd bank accounts lmao
>>58709042Where is he even getting that drug dealers dump their XMR to hodl Bitcoin? As far as I'm aware most of them just want cash in their local currency.
>>58707917He's not me (guy with Galaxy S6 that attempted to use Monero and got suggestions). I'm just going to use my desktop for anything related to personal finance at the moment. Please don't associate me with him who seems to be coping for me. Thank you for the suggestions.
>>58709042I believe that the BTC University guy is legitimately and medically retarded.
>>587026513rd of July:>Stress testing of monerod is ongoing, with 4MB blocks and about 20 transactions per second being confirmed.>There are issues with daemons processing large blocks bumping against serializer sanity checks and failing to sync.>A potential solution is to make the number of blocks requested dynamic, depending on average block size.>Progress was made on analyzing the Dulmage-Mendelsohn decomposition for detecting black marble flooding attacks.>Analysis of p2p transaction broadcast logs shows some unexpected patterns in gossip message timing.>The divisor technique for efficient scalar multiplication proofs in circuits was discussed, with plans for review.>A proposal to review the unreviewed hash-to-point function in Monero was brought up, with potential implications for security.>The importance of reviewing the current hash-to-point function for bias before the FCMP++ hard fork was emphasized.>Discussions on the potential impact of a biased or insecure hash-to-point function on various aspects of Monero's cryptography.>Plans to reach out to experts for reviewing the hash-to-point function and its implications were mentioned.
>>58709476>Where is he even getting that drug dealers dump their XMR to hodl Bitcoin?Out of his ass. These types have never actually visited the darknet.
>>58711484I am a drug dealer, move about 30 million a year and all my spare cash goes into Bitcoin.
>>58711534>I am a 15 yo who lies on a Mongolian basket weaving forum for autistic neets with gambling addictions.Very impressive anon
>>58711534I am actually a space sysadmin, yep that's right I get shot into goddamn orbit so I can get into range with my weak piddly dish and ssh into super top secret gobernment sats and do shit it earns me 17 fucking billion a year all of it goes into monerosget fucked fag
>>58711484
>page 10>-16%it's fucking over
>>58714485You are new, aren't you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHtSUcw4q4M
What's up folks.
The wownero integration branch as been merged in cake wallet !https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/pull/1485Is this bullish for wownero ?
I am a double drug dealer that moves 31 million a year and I keep it all in xmr
>>58715618>wownero>cake wallet>mainMemetic project.
HOT OFF THE PRESSThe freshest tales from the dark seas, back again with the 20th installment of Captain Blackbeard Radio!>https://redcircle.com/shows/14998969-fa6d-4c2b-a277-ccbc4ec92d4cShow some love for an XMR swashbuckler and the king of the dark seas!
at least my silber is ok
>>58717386Been looking forward to this!
>>58716296>doublewhy not triple or quadruple
>>58715618cake + wow = bullish for privacy
First the darknet markets, and now Coincards. Monerochan stays winning.
New Monerochan song:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvDKaUuG66sAlso what do you guys think of deploying a LLM bot to red pill with monero to reddit / 4chan etc?
>>58720799>lightning 2%Why is it such a meme? On paper it looks pretty good, why don't they get it to work?
>>58721335It's a shit idea even on paper:1. Cold wallets aren't really a thing so you need an (intentionally) expensive on-chain tx every time you want to go move stuff from cold to hot or back from hot to cold.2. Can't receive payments offline. I think there was a way that supposedly did that but I'm neither sure about what risks it involves nor the complexity of implementing it on actual wallets.3. Can't backup a wallet using the seed phrase.Those are not practical problems, those are problems even on paper.In practice you have the problem that routing is hard and flimsy unless you do it on a network with few high liquidity nodes making everything even worse.Anyone who believed LN was ever an acceptable future for BTC is a complete moron that should stay away from any sort of software engineering. All these problems have been pointed out for year.There is ONE good usecase for payment channels: inter-exchange payments. That's it. Just open a direct channel to each major exchange you transact with, no need to relay payments of others over a "LN network" for this to work.And while we're talking about it: Segwit which was introduced to make LN possible was hot garbage too:1. It was full of the equivalent of legislative riders. SegWit means segregated witnesses, but when it was accepted it was actually WAY more than just the code about segregating the witnesses.2. It changed the incentives of mining and NOBODY gives a shit that BTC now works with highly weakened incentives that work until they don't work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoFb3mcxluY You could have a situation where coins are moved away from YOUR address by a miner without ANY miner having to check and maintain a copy of a signature for that move. We're lucky the miners are not completely self-serving. But pre-segwit we didn't need to rely on that, it was in the miner's self-interest to WITNESS and maintain copies of the signatures.3. It's a hacky solution that created technical debt.
Imagine being this retarded.
>>58722834>woman moment
>>58722834This is basically watching someone pay a whore to spend an hour refuting Rice's theorem. Some real deep cut banker fetish material.
I am a triple nigger and I keep it all in wownero
>>58722834What does node count even have to do with the ease of getting an X% of the count to agree to an upgrade? Nothing. It has nothing to do with it. Nobody is going individually to node operators asking them to upgrade.
>>58715618Wownebros ! Wownero integration in cake wallet is getting closer and closer !
>>58724826Pointless, like all meme coins. The fixed supply is purely bad, the randomx changes are pointless if not bad and the ring size change is irrelevant since the two networks have different tx/s to handle and to use as decoys. It could have served as an gateway drug to bring /r/wsb-types to Monero but its focus on defending the fixed supply as a positive thing makes it useless even at that. Wow likely takes idiots who can't math away from Monero, which arguably may even be a good thing, I'm not sure. But it's no more a friend to Monero than BTC or Doge is.
Remember anons, do a good deed for the network and the economy and set up a mining node:https://p2pool.io/#helpOr just get the GUI wallet and enable mining: https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#gui
Maybe I should get some WOW. Just a little bit.
>+3.3%WE ARE SO FUCKING BACK BROS
>>58726915https://x.com/cakewallet/status/1810687582356840686Wownero bros it's real...
>>58729774
>>58729774>420.68
WOW IS PUMPING
I'm kind of glad that XMR didn't tank as much as last week relative to BTC.
>>58731407>relative to BTC
>>58731537*sigh*XMR/USD relative to BTC/USD. Are you happy now?
>>58730452No, it is not.
>>58650542Anons, once I decide to cash out my winnings, what do I do to minimize taxes? Does Monero help? Legally of course. I would never think of defrauding the government because that can be considered or interpreted as a potential crime. To defraud an institutional entity is something I am unable to even interpret.I have my positions on multiple CEXs
good morning /xmr/how much hashrate do you have on your own mining hardware? how much do you pay for electricity? do you plan to have more hardware for more hashrate? do you make use of the generated heat?
>>58731632It was when I bought $100 worth.
Tether is totally legit, you guys, Bitcoin University chad knows the score.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxwZa3B3VRE
>>58734102Holy fucking shit 30 seconds in and it's already so condescending I can't take him seriously.
>>58734102You obviously have no idea what a ponzi is in your letter
>>58734102Tether is a scam, but they're going to get away with it. They buy too many bonds for the government to let them panic liquidate.
>>58734174Yeah, really dialed in his condecesion on anything other than Bitcoin.
>>58734174>>58735669He also hasn't said anything about Roger Ver. Pride blinds bros.
>>58732846nice cock
>>58695425>>58695853Yep, I agree now that the government's backing defines fiat money.My concern for Monero's reputation is that critics and folks who haven't looked too deep in this subject will label cryptocurrencies like XMR as fiat money, which obviously holds a negative connotation.Two of the more popular arguments I hear against using XMR is that it is not backed by anything, and that the infrastructure required for XMR to exist is controlled by "the man." The no-backing is significant for some skeptics.Frankly I find the notion of commodity or metal-backed money ridiculous. Precious metals or barrels of petroleum have zero use case for 99.9% of individuals. And there's no assurance that you can even trade your metal-backed money for metals (see: France, 1971). Ultimately a currency's value depends on those who choose or not choose to trade it. Gold's value is subjective:https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3olmry/did_native_american_societies_treat_gold_in_the/>>58704859>If you want to get really autistic you need to differentiate between money and currency.I did not realize this.>What most people call money (dollars, euros, etc.) is actually currency and not money.According to this website currency is a subset of money.https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/difference-between-money-and-currency/
>>58736052>The no-backing is significant for some skeptics.Depends what you trust. For USD you trust that the US will keep being a power, that it won't be taken over by another country, that it will keep giving a forceful use to USD by accepting taxes in it. And that if they decide to move to another currency they will provide a way to convert (not trade, CONVERT) your USD to that other currency.For XMR you trust that the community around it will keep accepting it for some good/services. And of course you trust that the tech is good.For something like gold, you trust that even if it's value as a store of value drops because, say, we start mining gold asteroids, it's value won't go to zero because it'll always have industrial and cosmetic uses, though it can still lose a lot of value. Maybe in the end you trust that we won't start asteroid mining soon.For a currency backed by gold, you trust what you trust for gold plus that whoever is issuing the currency is trustworthy when it comes to allowing you to redeem it. History has shown this trust to be frequently a bad idea.>the infrastructure required for XMR to exist is controlled by "the man."Only partially, the internet is not as controlled as many make it sound, though efforts to take more and more control into the hands of states have been constantly ongoing, and people often stupidly fall for it and support it, like they support net neutrality which gives government the power to regulate and interfere in the internet which until now and since its inception was a distributed network, mostly owned in parts by private companies, universities and even states, negotiating voluntarily for what prices they charge each other. Now the states get to dictate certain aspects of pricing, essentially socializing to a degree the cost of netflix and other high bandwidth uses of the internet. But it's just the foot in the door. The goal is for the state to get control over what is allowed or not on the internet.
>>58736052As history shows gold-backed currencies (as in paper gold or silver certificates) are just one step removed from unbacked fiat but if you look back just a century ago you'll see actual gold coins in circulation. You could go to a store and hand over a piece of gold to pay for your stuff. This ended after WW1. Then after WW2 they slowly took out silver coins as well. The value of gold might be subjective to a degree but the point is there's no or little counter party risk. Almost everyone "knows" gold is valuable and will deem it as such without the threat of force from a government.>currency is a subset of moneyEven by their own definition currencies are not money because they're not really stores of value since their value eventually goes to 0 and sometimes does so very suddenly and quickly. Also most currency today is neither physical nor tangible.
>>58736052>XMR is that it is not backed by anythingCocaine standard, champ. Monero is backed by bricks of uncut Peruvian marching powder.
Can you please share your most offensive and racist monero memes. I'd appreciate it. something that really makes them seethe.
Hey. Any good matrix channels?
ShopinBit "Europe's largest Bitcoin store" just had 75% of last month's sales in XMR.
>>5871028710th of July:>Meeting focused on updates, stress testing, and potential security measures.>Participants shared updates on bug fixes, startup speed improvements, and work on Jamtis-RCT.>Stress testing revealed issues with block syncing, where valid blocks can be incorrectly marked as invalid.>CPU usage increased during stress tests, especially for low-end nodes processing blocks with many inputs.>Discussion of a potential "black marble attack" and alternative transaction relay protocols like Clover.>Consideration of uniformity tests for Monero's hash-to-point function.>Debate on the necessity and risks of maintaining an "invalid blocks" list.>Analysis of possible causes for valid blocks being added to the invalid blocks list, including transaction propagation issues.>Suggestion to investigate log files for more information on the block syncing bug.>Mention of a 3-day interval for dropping old transactions from the mempool, potentially related to observed issues.
>>58740503percentage of what, volume i assume? what's their monthly volume anyway?
>>58740757volume
So I downloaded haveno retoaccess like dude on this blog says https://blog.nihilism.network/servers/haveno-client-f2f/index.html (I used the windows version, straight form their github) and windows defender found "PUA:MacOS/CoinMiner.BG" so that's when I got spooked and removed it.I heard you need to allow it in windows defender because it's not liecensed and stuff but I'm not allowing something called coin miner.Was I filtered? at what point did I fuck up?
>>58740503LOL
>>58741231it's labelled a coin miner because monerod (the actual program that lets you read the monero blockchain) has the ability to mine coins, and in malware the main reason to use blockchain software is to mine and send it to the creatorhaveno isn't doing that but cryptocurrencies are so unregulated that ms forces devs to either a) get a loicense from M$ that says "okay we don't think this program is malicious" or b) deal with windows assuming your program is a crypto miner
>>58740503What is shopinbit's volume relative to bitrefill?
>>58740503wow what a month, first XMR finally overtakes BTC in global CoinCards sales and now this.BTC HODLtards truly are God's gift to the Monero economy, long may they HODL.
Silkroad 2.0 pls
>>58741231>PUA**Potentially** unwanted application that can mine. But you want that application so all good.
>>58742115Aren't there like a handful of them already? Go to tor.taxi
WOWnero is dumping :3
>>58742110Proud RETARDIO holderI know it will be a gem this year, sooner or later, take my world
>>58700805Wow, I don't come here much anymore, but this pic is very nice, anon. A little more orange under the hair and a Monero sign somewhere and it would be an A+.Have you done more?
>>58742816The cake wallet thing seems like a huge nothingburger.
Finally.
>>58744419That always happens when you unlock a new liquidity source. Early adopters sell into new money until price tanks and you get that 人 pattern.
>>58747562ayy lmao
>>58747562looks like reggie. not impressed at all desu.
>>58700805>https://monerochan.art2nd laundry commission. Went over budget on the 1st attempt so I had to go with a cheaper artist with a simpler style this time - but I think it came out pretty cute.
>>58750480do u have any offensive or racist monero memes pls? ty
>>58750480I really, really like this monerochan, thanks for posting.
>>58694978proof of work ring any bells? also, backed to PMs by who? any example in which "paper" issued gold hadnt a scamy outcome in history? electricity and computing power to mine it gives XMR value, in fiat only faith in government or in other words nothing, few other differences >decentralized instead of centralized power of control>fixed emission and fixed declining inflation >borderless>permissionless>no dependency on 3rd parties for high distance transactions but expecting xmr to become legal tender is naive, only in parallel economies i can see monero shine >>58701851based monerobro>>58711534i am an high class hitman on darknet and move about 3 gazihilibillions and my spare money goes into digishekels and shiba inu V3.9 cash coins >>58726915shh.. still filling
>>58707467if your friend is a fellow schizo too maybe also rip wifi and bluetooth card if present, encrypt usb with lux or cleopatra, use the xmr address creator script from moneromoos git or luigis website after he has verified keys and hashes, have always a seed backup on paperpersonally would make an paper walled only with same strategy and keep it super safe while using only the secret view key to monitor stack and transactions while having the spend key away from anything digital
>localmonero is closing>cant buy monero with my paypal anymoreits over, no more weed for me
>>58752641* Haveno* Sell gift cards on moneromarket.io* monezon.com
>>58752768How long would it take to move $20k that way and what are the premiums?
Testan if I can post without email.
>>58752803idk if anyone would accept your $20k PayPal offer, reto's network has a 0.5% fee per trade (you lose $100) and as a trade maker you can set a trade fee (they usually range between 2-10% but you could set yours to .5% to get an edge in the market)
>>58752768Thanks, was already thinking about mining monero on a vega 11 igpu
>>58753089What's reto's network?
>>58753089I don't want to be a trade maker I just want to buy $20k worth of XMR but I can't through Kraken. It's not a big amount. This shouldn't be hard
>>58753366The haveno website doesn't even have a link to download the app and I'm not spending all day figuring out Linux shit
>>58753152>What's reto's network?it's the de-facto haveno network atm >>58753366making a trade is as easy as taking one and i don't think you'll find one with that volume so...(id suggest having a lower minimum trade like a thousand btw so you can at least chip away at the amount that you'd like to buy/sell)>>58753375yeah the docs are bad right now, i don't think the devs know how to advertise reto without endorsing it. this guides pretty good https://blog.nihilism.network/servers/haveno-client-f2f/index.htmlyou shouldn't need to fuck with linux unless you're on it right now
>>58753366If you have a Kraken account, buy some other crypto and swap it on tradeogre.com. I think the fee there is about 0.2%.
>>58753795Tradeogre has no depth. A measly 20k buy moves the price almost 10% there. What if I wanted to buy a half decent amount like 200k
>>58753375You need https://haveno-reto.com
i lost all my XMR gambling :(
>>58753366Did you try buying crypto on an ATM and then swap?Its pretty pointless to traintravel for 5 grams of weed, but for that amount why not?
>>58754298just win it back by gambling more
>>58754298you deserve it
>>58754345I am trying to invest, not buy weed. ATM's charge 8%
>>58754073Put a juicy standing order then and let arbitrators fulfill it.
>Discussion on Cryptocurrency: Some comments link the interest in cryptocurrencies like Monero to far-right ideologies due to its association with privacy and anti-establishment sentiments.
>>58754531thats the plan
>>58756711Who are you quoting?
>>58756711Libertarians are far right?
>>58757644Yes. Leftism is government worship.The more government tyranny you support, the more leftist you are.
>>58757644well left-right is an economical spectre and libertarians support laissez-faire capitalism so...
>>58757644If you ignore the "left libertarians" like Chomsky and focus on the actual libertarians then yes we are right on the political compass.
Tether is firing up the printer again, strap in.
>>58757644No, authoritarian is right, libertarian left. >>58757869>>58757912So basicly "anarchism" far left"dictatorship" far right.Im just going to asume that you both are americans based on your education
Its over. haveno doesnt work, theres already giftcard sellers on moneromarket, bitcards are a scam.Gotta traintravel to city and walk to ATM for a total of 3 hours (back and fort included) to buy bitcoin with barcash and then atomicswap for monero on tor.Comunism lost, danke merkel
>>58758972Haveno works, retard: https://haveno-reto.comIt's handling the ddos really damn well, the only impact is that startup takes a little longer.
>>58742816what does this coin do?
Vitalik Buterin said Zooko tirelessly advocates for privacyhttps://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2024/07/17/procrypto.html
>>58758553You are retarded. I mean literally everything single sentence you said is shit you pulled out of your ass, inluding the one sentence that is supposed to be a summary of what I said. At the very least go do the political compass or something before you try to summarize stuff you have no clue about. I'm not even agreeing with the other anon but you somehow put us in the same basket because of how clueless you are.
>>5874062517th of July:>Meeting focused on updates, stress testing, and potential security measures.>Participants discussed ongoing work on curve trees, Jamtis-RCT testing, and debugging issues.>Stress testing of monerod revealed improvements with a recent patch fixing invalid block marking.>Discussion on the Dandelion++ protocol, particularly the fluff phase and its random timer distribution.>Debate on using Poisson vs. exponential distribution for the fluff phase timer, with potential privacy implications.>Consideration of measures against black marble attacks in the Dandelion++ protocol.>Review of a quote for security proof analysis of GBP (Goodell-Bünz-Boneh) proofs.>Consensus to move forward with the GBP review, preferably paid in XMR.>Suggestion to audit the addressing protocol for legacy Cryptonote addresses.>Overall agreement on the proposed GBP review and its importance for the project.
>>58759424He's not retarded. He is a leftist propagandist, he knows exactly what he is doing.
>>58759424Nothing is pulled of my ass, its the literal definition of the political spectrunProgressive - conservativeLibertarian - authoritationGlobalist - nationalistEgalitär – elitärAgain. Its the LITERAL definition of the poitical spectrum and a matter of fact and not a matter of your dumb opinion.You learn that in middleschool
>>58759392Nothing, you speculate on the rising and falling of its price so that that mental contagion doesn't destroy important projects.
>>58759396by 2028 the skelly allegations will be made public.
>>58759527>authoritation>>58759446Look the guy can't even type straight and he is pulling random word pairings out of his ass. He is retarded for sure.
Shitposting about ATM and atomicswap aside, i just did the thing where i messaged my LM vendor on telegramm.Got me surprised to be desu as how fast monero got.The cash was in my wallet literally 5 seconds after i posted him my wallet adress.I remember 30 minutes - 3 hours alone for pending on a bad day>>58760004>random word pairingsIs left and right a random word pairing aswell?Really, they should teach you some things other than "the 20 different sexualitys based on whatever i feel" and "how to dodge bullets in a classroom"
>>58759527these axes do not overlap as 1.0 to each other. There are varrying flavours of combinations between these.I'm not even sure all of these correlate positively to each other.Libertarianism is at odds with egalitarianism for example due to outcome disparity. Any equity measures the egalitarian would like to see would be theft to the libertarian.You could even argue that tolerating inequality in general is a right-wing value and libertarianism is the epitome of that
>>58760105None of what you say is relevant to what I objected or true. You are a retard. You're also assuming too much about me so you sound even more retarded than you probably are.
How feasible is it to mine Monero with a laptop that I rarely use?
will never be relevant because there's no reasonable way to buy it
>>58760376>will never be relevant because there's no reasonable way to buy itCocaine never be relevant because there's no reasonable way to buy it.
>>58759964what kind of allegations
>>58760289XMR mines using cpu so you don't need any heavy gaming computer
>>58761044you know what I mean when I say that word in particular.
>>58761576more details?
>>58761464Yes but I assume there would be problems with overheating. Does anyone actually mine with a laptop?
>>58761640I've tried it in the past even on modern capable machines you'll get 6kh/s at best while cooking the CPU. desktops or well-cooled servers only, I'm afraid.
>>58760797Its easier to find cocain on the street than to find a non jewish monero deal I think the entire monero ecosystem right now is:Dealer sells monero to client, client then purchases drugs of same dealer. dealer resells his monero to customer
>>58762470Based circular economy chads.
>General has been up for more than a monthIt's over nobody cares about this dead project anymore. Bitcoin won chuds.
>>58763752Lol, sure, that's why XMR sales are up again.
>>58764026Sales on literally who gift card sites with shitty rates are nothing next to Bitrefill
>>58764059That wasn't your claim retard. You said it's dead, but use is going up, so it's clearly not. I don't need to claim that it's higher than Bitrefil or anywhere else to invalidate your idiotic claim.
>>58764075>>58763752 isn't me. I'm not arguing it's dead. But people itt pissing their pants over having volume on puny gift card sites is dumb when everyone who uses bitcoin sticks with bitrefill anyways since it has no kyc, best rates, and best selection. The only people who use other sites are those who wanted to use monero in the first place. Selection bias
>>58764086You replied to my post saying sales is up. You didn't provide any evidence to the contrary.If you want to make an unrelated claim that bitrefill has more sales than other sites, yeah ok, whatever, you're on an XMR thread talking about about a site that doesn't accept XMR, we give no fucks. Fiat is used in even more sales than BTC, why don't you go to BTC threads to tell them about how fiat has even more trade done with it and see how much they care? Actually, those cucks may care about fiat since half of them don't even think you should buy anything with BTC.Also, you're a newfag. People being happy about "puny" trade volume of "puny" websites is EXACTLY how BTC used to be FOR YEARS, some years ago. So kindly fuck off with your pessimism and retarded ignorance of history.
>>58763752>Bitcoin won chuds.uh oh, looks like we're locked out of the Future Millionaires Club, boys, its so over.
>>58764086>muh Bitrefilllol the same Bitrefill that stubbornly refuses to add XMR as a payment option? While allowing fucking Doge and Dash?!>Bitrefill accepts the following payment methods: Bitcoin, Lightning, Ethereum, USD Coin (Ethereum or Polygon), Tether (Ethereum, Polygon or Tron), Binance Pay, Litecoin, Dogecoin and Dash.The point, numbskull, is that pretty much wherever BTC and XMR are in direct competition as payment options XMR eventually starts to overtake BTC and leave it behind in the dust. Your surveillance-friendly shitcoin is running on fumes, faggot, enjoy it while it lasts and cope harder.
>>58651749Idk how to even buy monero anymore I just have a wallet on my PC
Currently, Monero faces a significant challenge due to the limited availability of P2P platforms for exchanging fiat currency into XMR.his bounty aims to incentivize and support the development of a fork of RoboSats and Lnp2pBot based on monero.The community has already demonstrated its capability by successfully creating Haveno, a fork of Bisq. Expanding the availability of P2P exchange platforms not only enhances convenience but also strengthens the resilience and decentralization of the Monero network, aligning with its core principles of privacy and user autonomy. As the Monero community continues to evolve, the development of robust P2P infrastructure will play a pivotal role in its journey towards broader acceptance and usability.https://bounties.monero.social/posts/140https://bounties.monero.social/posts/141
>>58764397Except relatively no one uses shitty sites like coincards where you can't even get digital credit cards and have to send them your mailing address, when Bitrefill lets you buy way more in cards with less fees and no kyc.The only people willing to deal with poor selection, vendor fees, and giving out their address over monero care less about a functional circular economy than they do about masturbating to their altcoin.
>>58764196whenever you use "xmr sales on shit store XYZ up" as a btfo of Bitcoin you ignore that it is completely due to selection bias since the good stores everyone uses don't support monero.>EXACTLY how BTC used to be FOR YEARSMonero has been around for nearly as long as Bitcoin and has managed to somehow lose ground
>>58764856This. Niggas talk like Monero is new technology when it's been around since before 2014. If you bought XMR at the peak of the bullrun in 2017 you'd be down 65% by now. In contrast if you bought BTC at the absolute peak in 2017 you would have 3.5x'd. You can't create a circular economy if nobody wants to hold it because of the terrible opportunity cost/devaluing. It's a $150 stablecoin at this rate, and we all know how heavily the USD is being devalued.There's one usecase only for XMR, when you have to buy fentanyl to feed your degenerate addiction, you convert some btc (just enough) to buy the fent. Or when you sell your homemade fentanyl, you accept XMR which then you immediately convert into BTC to save it's purchasing power. Circular economy!!!
>>58764842>Except relatively no one uses shitty sites like coincards Keep moving them goalposts, asshole. Started off with "XMR-only markets will never happen!">>58764962>In contrast if you bought BTC at the absolute peak in 2017 you would have 3.5x'd.lol we're all blackpilled on Tether's BRRRR shenanigans here, pal, so invoking BTC's bullshit price action isn't going to impress anybody.$100K end of year!>You can't create a circular economy if nobody wants to hold it because of the terrible opportunity cost/devaluing.lol only maxitards insist nobody wants to hold XMR. Its how they cope with Monero's continuing rise in actual adoption "Yeah, alright, sure, they are using XMR more and more but they're TOTALLY not holding it, mmmkay?!"And btw, you obviously can't create a viable circular economy when the HODLtard narrative is front and center. No spending culture + high fees + zero fungibility = no circular economy.So keep up the NEVER SPENDING routine, retards, we love you for it!>There's one usecase only for XMRYour need for this to be true is almost palpable. And quite hilarious.The fact that you felt it necessary to come here and reassure us that Monero's recent series of wins are nothing to get excited about speaks volumes about the insecurity you're currently struggling with. And its only going to get worse as more and more people get blackpilled on BTC's uselessness.
>>58765046>Tether's BRRRR shenanigansTether is now an arm of the US government. They are directly connected to the fed money printer and any shenanigans on their part are a drop in the bucket by comparison.
>>58765066>Tether is now an arm of the US governmentm-m-m-muh too big to fail?
>>58765073No, it's that complaining about them being unbacked is stupid when they are as backed as the US government wants them to be. They are the biggest private buyer of US Treasuries. They will always have as much USD as they require.
>>58765077No audit = know nothing.
>>58765085Cope, you failed to address my statement. Crying about Tether running out of money is like crying about the Federal Reserve running out of money.
>>58765093Your statement is ludicrous copium and amounts to MUH TETHER IZ 2 BIG 2 FAIL.
>>58765098>AHHHHHHHHHH Tether could run out of rapidly inflating pieces of paper that the US feds give them for free>Thank God Monero holds parity against these increasingly worthless pieces of paper
>>58765105you're the only one here obsessed with prices lol
>>58765109>AA YOU'RE A DELUSIONAL GOLD MAXI IF YOU THINK NUMBER WILL GO UP FOREVER HAHA>JUST WAIT UNTIL THE WEIMAR MARK BRRRR PRINTER SHENANIGANS END GOLD WILL COME CRASHING DOWN>ANYTIME NOW
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>>58765687How to actually buy monero if you life in the eu:>Check your old LM vendor and prvt message them on telegram, chances are they still sell xmr and look for costumers now that their portal is closed>Some of them opened privat websites to directly buy from them >Go to an ATM, buy crypto (ideally the one with less markup) and then atomicswap to xmr ( you'll find links on (im not allowed to post link on 4chinz)So far really high markups, expect somewhere between 8 and 12%>IRL meetingThis is the cheapest and you might have to travel for an hour to find someone, but the cheapest and most secure monero wise (you have to be a daywalker neet)Bitvalve: didnt try myself, but already looks likeits insanely pricy
>>58764856My fucking god you are stupid. I AM NOT COMPARING ABSOLUTE SIZES. I AM COMPARING PAST SALES IN XMR WITH CURRENT SALES IN XMR TO PROVE IT'S NOT DEAD NOR DYING.I could say the same idiotic things you say about Fiat VS BTC.>Monero has been around for nearly as long as Bitcoin and has managed to somehow lose groundDude are you literally retarded? XMR took over ALL darknet markets from BTC. The only thing it lost is KYCucks and the price increase their moonboism brings. And AGAIN, I can say the exact same thing about BTC. It used to be accepted on Steam, Microsoft, and now practically none of its users actually accept payments in it or make payments because it's been turned to shit tech-wise. It's just another bankcoin. GREAT IMPROVEMENT. So yeah BTFO and back to your cuck threads.>>58764962>It's a $150 stablecoin at this rateOh no what will we ever do. We can't go to moon now. Oh no we're doomed only to have a great functioning currency. Oh no.>you would have 3.5x'dAnd that's why you're a moonboi. Because your primary concern isn't a good currency to free the people and bank the unbanked, it's a lambo.>and we all know how heavily the USD is being devalued.Please tell me that you realize that it's not pegged to the dollar and any stability is just happenstance. Do you actually believe that if the FED doubles the dollars in circulation it will magically cause every holder of XMR to value their holdings at THE SAME dollar value as before the mass-mintage?>>58765046>The fact that you felt it necessary to come here and reassure us that Monero's recent series of wins are nothing to get excited about speaks volumes about the insecurity you're currently struggling with.They are either retarded desparate moonbois, or non-retarded but struggling feds. They are clearly out of their water so it's either desparation to destroy XMR's image, or it's their job to do so.
>>58766096Becoming poorer doesn't make you more noble. When you provide labor and then get compensated for it, there is zero shame to not want that economic energy to evaporate into nothing because of the inflationary nature of fiat. If your money doesn't protect and hedge against that, then of what use is it? It's basically a side chain to BTC at this point, people converting in and out when they want to do illicit things. Nobody holds it long term, and if they do they see their hard earned capital being evaporated in front of their own eyes.But I guess you're a good little cuck and enjoy the debasement fiat brings with none of the convenience. It feels good to go to your wage cage for 8 hours a day, and to see the compensation for your work be worth less and less each day, effectively making you unable to save for the long term. That is sterilizing you. But hey you're not a moonboy, so congrats!
>>58764086>>58764397why can't u use xmr on bitrefill wtf? do they give a reason for that somewhere?>>58764962>you convert some btc (just enough) to buy the fentthat's literally traceable lmao. If you intend to use privacy coins like that you need to set up a small stack at leastirregular ammountsirregular use
>>58765687regarding the kyc options. Wouldn't it greatly enhance your security if you bought some other coin with high liquidity on swaps and then simply swap to monero later (no high ammounts maybe so it looks like different purchases). should paint less of a traget on your back if they are looking for monero related tax shenanigans right?also why does everyone list kraken and no one lists kucoin?I really want serai to be here bros. trading small ammounts on haveno or something just isn't cutting it>>58766028>IRL meetingcan I also find friends like this?
>>58766117Who said I'm becoming poorer? You assume too much.There's no shame in protecting your money, nice strawman. Moonbois aren't *just* trying to protect their money. They are selling their souls to the existing banking system that took over BTC through cuckstream hoping they'll all get a lambo when reality is that most of them will get Adam Back's salty balls. But keep attacking strawmen.>Nobody holds it long term.>It's basically a side chain to BTC at this pointYou realize that the whole supply IS in some wallet, right? There's no way to convert XMR to BTC, you trade it, someone HOLDs the XMR you don't hold. It's nothing like a sidechain but nice try to throw mud on it. Let me guess, your next attempt at mud-slinging will be to complain that people don't hold it long enough and instead rotate it around too quickly. YES, it's because it's useful as a currency and actually fucking works. OH WHAT A PROBLEM TO HAVE... Learn some history: BTC had exactly the same usage patterns as XMR back in the day, until moonbois, cuckstream and bankers took over. This is what makes currencies, I just hope XMR doesn't fall victim to the same fags as BTC did. Which is why moonbois should be pushed out of the community. They are toxic and have fucked up every crypto community they've touched, turning them into retarded memes and banker playgrounds.>unable to save for the long termLol, keep assuming.
>>58766096>desparation to destroy XMR's imagPretty much this. Monero's continued successes in overtaking BTC in the crypto payments sector MUST BE downplayed and invalidated lest curious bystanders start getting the crazy idea that XMR might indeed be the true BTC and thus destined for great things. Hence all the demoralization trolls. Pay no mind.
>>58766117OK, retard, since you don't seem to be comprehending this let me summarize things for you like you're fucking 5 years old.1. MoneroChads are fully blackpilled on the stark reality of this batshit crypto clown market and just how phony and manipulated it is.2. Due to #1, all previous or current price action is ultimately considered meaningless.3. Because you agenda-pushing wet-brained bagholders still take this clown market and "muh performance" seriously, we can't take you or anything you say seriously.4. MoneroChads recognize that XMR is largely insulated from the clown market by virtue of it being widely delisted and majority demand originating from real-world commerce sectors.5. MoneroChads also recognize that as the exclusive currency of an ever-expanding and permissionless black and grey market economy, the above-mentioned demand for XMR will only grow in future.6. Due to #4 & #5, MoneroChads have little concern about XMR "losing value" over the long term. Its backed by untold stacks of uncut cocaine bricks, both literally and figuratively.TL;DR: XMR is the comfiest hold, BTC the most delusional. Your efforts here are going to waste, no minds will be changed, time to go back to your Future Millionaires Clubhouse and lament to all the laser-eyed movers & shakers there while we get busy having fun staying poor.You may now continue expressing your totally sincere concern for our financial well being hahaha.
>>587673881. Anyone who refers to themself as a chad isn't one2. >Monero price goes down>waaaaah it doesn't count>Monero price goes up>wagmi monero to $10000 eoy oooooooo3. you can't accept reality for what it is and make it work for you, so you will always be poor and irrelevant. Get tested for autism4. "Uhhhh acksually the market doesn't count until I say it does" (cope intensifies)5. "Hey guys did you know I'm a chad, I'm a chad right please tell me I'm a chad guys... guys?"6. The opinions of degenerate druggies are next to worthless
>>58767388Your IQ is around the 90 mark. Either that or you're a brownskin indian. I've never seen a more childish post.
>>58767631>>58767650Indeed. So go away already, relish your future millionaire status lmao
>>58765073You make fun of that old fruit, but he is way more fit, wealthy and successful than you will ever be. Probably why e-influencers live rent free in your head.
>>58767736Yes. Can you please go away now?
>>58766028>How to actually buy monero if you life in the eu:Why not just use Kraken like everyone else I know in the EU? It just works.Even if you're in GE or another country where Monero has been banned, you can just get LTC then swap it on a swap service.I don't see the point to go to all the trouble to get XMR from a local meetup.
>>58766251>regarding the kyc options. Wouldn't it greatly enhance your security if you bought some other coin with high liquidity on swaps and then simply swap to monero later (no high ammounts maybe so it looks like different purchases). should paint less of a traget on your back if they are looking for monero related tax shenanigans right?What target on your back? No country cares that you bought crypto. You only have to pay taxes if you switch that XMR back to fiat in most jurisdiction (taxable event), having LTC or XMR doesn't change anything at all.
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