Is modern marriage the worst investment of all time?>Have to pay 40k-50k on a wedding.>Have to buy at least a 10k ring that is actually worthless.>If your wife works she is highly likely to cheat on you with co-workers during the relationship >If she stays at home you need to financially support her forever.>Wife will pressure you into buying expensive cars, buying designer shit, go on trips etc.>No fault divorces>half your stuff goes to her.>If you have kids you will be forced to pay child support even if the kids are actually not yours.Why the fuck would anyone do this? The only financial benefit is slightly lower taxes.
>>59592975>>Have to pay 40k-50k on a wedding.snrk
>spent about 10k on the wedding>spent about 2.5k on the ring>wife stays home, I also work remote so we bang when the kids are napping sometimes in the middle of the day>wife drives an 07 civic>I have two adorable sons and a lifelong companion who loves meOh and she was a virgin too
You do realise that money is a means to an end, right? There’s no point dying alone with no family but heaps of money. Also much of what you posted isn’t necessarily true because not all women are the same.
>>59592975it's better than being a loner
>>59592990Based, so was mine
The Elites took an oath to subjugate all of humanity and have been operating thereforth since the fall of AtlantisWarlocks employing sexual kabbalistic alchemy, applied yin/yang manipulation to slowly terraform society into their image.Fascisms foundation; the husbandry of Everything and Everyone.The unified cult pledge and they all love peepeeThe Obelisk therefore represents seized domain under the dominion of Sneed, the proverbial reaper and sower; and the sun doesn't set on this Animal Farm in veneration to the men of Oz
>>59592975Banks, divorce lawyers, family court judges, etc. all have a vested interest in keeping the scam going.
>>59592975>Is modern marriage the worst investment of all time?Not if she makes more than you
>>59592975only reason to get married is for tax benefits.
>>59593000verbose pseudo 'intellectual' spouting nonsense. i suspect your fetish of black cocks (demonstrated from your schizophrenic picture) stands in contrast to your non african background. it begs the question why you are like this? why do you fetishize a demographic you arent apart of? its clearly because you live vicariously through your delusions and historical revisionism, and have nothing else to offer but verbal drivel.
>>59593023If she makes more than you she has 0 respect for you and is fucking other guys and will divorce you lmao
>>59593023Anon, the studies show divorce is significantly more likely if the woman makes more than the man. And of course most women wouldn’t marry a guy who makes less than them in the first place.
>>59592975marriage isn’t legal in the west.
>>59592975Marriage is a /pol/ thing. And /pol/ is a pile of trash. So we dont have too much to say about it. Stop frequenting /pol/ for your own financial health, OP.
>>59592975this is just fag demoralization talkfind a woman you love and marry her, fag
>>59593302Bad advice.>Find a woman YOU LOVEkek. The truth is, the woman should be the one to initiate interest and that's when you make a move and even then, women are so fickle that it's not guaranteed it will last
>>59593302Has nothing to do with modern marriage
>>59592975Yes
>>59593302Loving women is for cucks. Women are to be looked after and controlled, not loved like you loved your mother.
Just have kids. Thousands of years of human evolution and nobody needed a stupid paper saying we love each other. Do it if you want the benefits I guess, but they don't really outweigh the cons.
Some of us have made it and forever checked out of dealing with femoids. Instant and near unlimited internet porn is God's gift to mankind.
had a wifeshe likes to drink everydayshe diesget new Asian gfshe worksfuck her sometimesbe ready for robot waifu thoughsoon
>>59593498Yes raise kids without a committed relationship that works out fantastically.
>>59593595Marriage isn't the only way to build a strong, supportive family. What's important is the commitment, love, and stability you provide, regardless of the label. If you need a piece of paper to tell you that then go figure.
I couldn't marry even if I wanted to>parents marriage is imploding>half the family estranged from dad>dad killing himself with alcoholism and pissing everyone off>extended family is no betterI'd basically be pretending to be an orphan or adopting into someone else's stable family. In that case, it's easier for me to just knock up women and pay child support and coparent/cohabitate.Marriage only makes sense if your FAMILY is wealthy and and not degenerating at the speed of guacamole.
>>59593000Yup yup.Romans after alexander were the scum of the white race and then mixed with the edomite tribes.>>59593040It's true though and it's all documented.White rome burned the library that set human progress backwards hundreda of years.We also know that egyptian rulers had black men as gay sexual slaves.Meanwhile women had them as toys.
>>59593674Committing to stay together for the rest of your life to raise and support a family literally is the definition of marriage. Besides, if you live with a women long term and have kids with her the government will consider you “de facto” married anyway, so I’m not sure what avoiding the “label” of marriage actually achieves?
>>59593735The label of marriage isn’t what defines a strong relationship. Some people choose not to marry because they feel it’s unnecessary, even if they have the same commitment and responsibilities. It’s about what works for the couple, not just the label.
>>59593040you have been warned>>59593722Mediterranean/north africa used whites as concubine, an institutionalized practice largely resulting in the mass mongrelization that currently defines the regionhence the term slave being associayed with white identity, the dark ages presenting a pivot, building the scaffolding for what would become the modern age
>>59593708Wtf guys
>>59593746We have to consider why the marriage rituals (ceremony, reception, rings etc) exist in the first place. It’s so that the friends and family of both partners will witness the declaration of commitment. Obviously when someone publicly makes a commitment it makes it harder to go back on, which is the point. It’s a tale as old as time for a man to imply or even promise commitment to a woman in order to get her into bed, so having to stand up in front of all his friends and family to pledge his commitment to the woman will make him think twice before making promises he isn’t serious about keeping. If my daughter was with a guy who didn’t want to go public about his commitment to her because it’s “unnecessary”, then I’d consider it a red flag and would question if he wants to keep his options open, to have one foot out the door.
>>59593772Stop addressing the voices in my head.
>>59593820While marriage rituals can offer a sense of commitment, they aren’t the only way to demonstrate loyalty and dedication in a relationship. A couple can have a strong, lasting partnership without a public ceremony. For many people, the idea of marriage may feel unnecessary or outdated, especially if they already share mutual respect, trust, and goals. Commitment doesn’t require a public display; it’s shown through daily actions, emotional support, and shared responsibilities. The pressure to marry can sometimes create unnecessary stress or expectations, potentially leading to a relationship that’s focused more on fulfilling societal norms than on the real, personal bond between partners. A couple can commit to one another in private, without needing a formal ceremony, and still build a solid, lasting future together. Ultimately, true commitment comes from the connection between partners, not from a public ritual.
>>59592975It’s important to find the right one and not just settle for immature whores who have had no growing up because stuff was handed to them (usually conventionally pretty ones)My soon to be wife wants a>wants a small court wedding with just parents/siblings>wants a black steel ring with a black gem worth ~$70>cheating - It’s all about trust and that goes both ways. >You can literally notice that behaviour before you even marry unless you’re blindfolded by her beauty and let her antics and consumerism go unchecked or unnoticed.All in all, usual demotivational thread. Took me until 30 to find her because truthfully there aren’t many like her these days, but don’t give up anons and you’ll find her. Also much better to be alone than with someone whose behaviour will haunt you in the long run.
>>59593838Ohh wait I’m just talking to chatGPT. Thanks for wasting my time I guess.
>>59593857What?
>>59592975>just marry bro it'll be fine
>>59592975>10k ringI couldn't imagine being this cheao for the woman I love
>>59593883What’s your plan anon?
>>59592992>There’s no point dying aloneWe all die alone>>59592995Exactly. I hate myself too much to ever be alone.
>>59593073>>59593060Exactly. Men are more capable than women. So a man must make more than a woman in order for a woman to be attracted to you. You should default entirely to seeing this as not a parasite, but a good thing for you. You deserve to fund other people's lives. Make sure to tell your woman this. That the only reason she is with you is because you make more money than her. And that she is incapable of doing that for herself because she is a woman.
>>59593893>We all die aloneYou heard this in a movie or some gay soap opera
>>59592975I have a wife on disability so she gets paid 3k a month but she makes me 3 hot meals a day and cleans so it's like having a wife back when 1 income covered everything. bought her a ring that she doesn't wear unless we go out and we had a small church wedding and a dinner w close family at home. Downside is she wears mostly sweatpants and old tshirts. she will never leave me I was an addict when we met and the first few years so if she didnt leave then she never will. she also cant drive and would need me to move her stuff.
>having You dont have to shit retard, if your "wife" demands something from you you dont want, maybe thats not your wife
>>59593996Dude you won the wife lotteryWhat's the catch you're not mentioningIs she over 200 lbs
>>59592975>Why the fuck would anyone do this?because you used to get a virgin woman whom you owned and controlled, and would be your loyal servant for life in exchange for you taking care of her until the end of your existence.replace the young virgin with a 30yo roastie with bodycount 50+ and 15 past boyfriends of various colors. yes, marriage today is the worst investment ever - hence people aren't getting married anymore.
>>59594045also: women are not evil. they are like children. kids without parents telling them what to do will do all sorts of seemingly evil shit. but they aren't inherently evil, they need guidance. same for women. they need owners to be good people in the world.
>>59594035no she works out but I had to make her a gym in the garage cuz she doesn't wanna go to the gym "where the trannys are" she proposed it as a way to save money over time vs a gym membership which I'm good with. she is technically a schizo but its pretty well controlled the last few years and her self esteem isn't great but at least she's not jealous. I'm pretty sure she could work but she's into right wing conspiracy so everyone we know still thinks she's nuts. she doesn't want to have schizo kids so if I want them we gotta pay for donor eggs.
>>59593903When you die, do you think others go with you?
>>59594045>you used to get a virgin woman whom you owned and controlledWhy would you want this in a partner?
>>59592975why the FUCK are weddings this expensive?you just reserve a hall and some catering. maybe some third rate band to entertain the normalfags.cant be that expensive.
>>59594154Because that is what others are willing to pay.
>>59594150why would you want what?
>>59594171I didn't stutter
>>59594176you fucking retard. why would you want a virgin or why would you want someome you control?1. a woman is not a partner. a wife is an investment that you need to own to take care of2. i want a virgin because of statistics and microchimerism3. i want someone i control because if i am to bring resources and care for and be responsible for something or someone, then i get to say how we do shitif not, go be an equal empowered woman and pay for your own shit and fuck as many niggers as you like. also post tits you retarded fucking femanon
>>59592975>>59592995>>59593302>>59593595Have children, never marry.
>>59593903It's true though? Do you think husbands and wives die at the same time? My dad died in 2017 but my mum is still alive and living by herself.
>>59594149>>59594315Your zogged up movie quotes are gay af, grow up you faggot manchild
>>59594184>1. a woman is not a partner. a wife is an investment that you need to own to take care ofAgreed but why are people starting to call their wife and girlfriend ''partner'', this is not normal
>>59592975How to I make an iron clad pre nup boys?
>>59592975How would you make/get an ironclad prenup?
>>59594206>after 2 years the government considers you married in the eyes of the law anyway
>>59592975It's the best investment of all time now and forever. Combine two incomes and two families to build something more. Have an invested friend that you regularly creampie and also gives you children. Wakes you up with a sucky sucky and fucks you doggy on the kitchen table or with her tits pressed against the shower window.Based
>>59592975All of your points can be responded to with >no you don't
>>59592990>lifelonganon, i...
>>59592990>lifelong ...until tyrone moves next door
>>59593283True. Marriage is when a woman becomes a man's property. Haven't seen this going on for a while.
>>59595114Anon, your homosexual fantasies are showing again
>>59592975I married my BEAUTIFUL wife 4 years ago for a grand total of $100. And most of that went to the ER bill when her mother had a bad piece of roadkill we served up as an appetizer at the reception. Which was held in the dumpster behind walmart. You just have to get a little creative with the venue and not invite 2000 people. The right woman will understand. Instead of a traditional diamond we went with the nicest plastic ring we could find at dollar general. We honeymooned to the bass pro pyramid and didnt buy anythingYou dont have to spend $50k on a wedding, thats a jewish myth
Anyone who has anything positive to say hasn't been married long enough.Yes it all seems rosy, until it isn't
>>59592975incel threadnone of this is truehave sex
>>59595129*Dependent. Feminists deliberately abused and twisted the "property" angle cause it's obviously more controversial.Wives are somewhere in between your child and your partner. Not an equal, dependent on you, for protection and provision and leadership, but also supportive and a contributor, giving you children, a home, and love. It's a complementary, not equal, relationship.That is what marriage is. What marriage has become is not what marriage is. You can't force a tight equal contract between two unequal entities and that's why men aren't entering it anymore. They used to get something: a woman to keep and love and protect and guide through life. Now they get a bitch who wants all of the benefits and none of the obligations. It's utterly poisoned and ruined.Humans are dimorphic for a reason. For a REASON. When two things are complementary they fulfill one another in special ways, they perform roles. Women don't want a cowardly, weak, unproductive, submissive man. Men don't want a bossy, bitchy, performative, unsupportive, unmotherly woman. Nature tries to enforce this in different ways, I have working theory that men desire shorter/younger women and women desire taller/older men because this immediately sets up the proper relationship dynamic and role of provider/protector and wife/mother/supporter. These absurd pairings of a large dominant woman and a small submissive man are doomed to fail immediately.
>>59595861I struggled with this too for such a long time. I bought the bs. I thought I needed an equal partner, someone just as capable, reasonable, independent as I. I searched and couldn't find it in any of the women I got with, because they're women. They aren't that. And the ones that came close were repulsive to me for reasons that I didn't understand. I would tell myself>Dude just suck it up and go for this capable/independent girl and forget about your hyper feminine dependent ex it will make your life so much easierAnd I just couldn't. It was repulsive. That was my nature screaming at me, overriding the rational brain, I ended back up with my ex and all of her feminine issues. It was because I sensed her submissiveness, motherliness, and loveliness, and couldn't live without it, and now we have kids and it's never been better. I see her performing her role and love her for it. This society is so lost now and it's sad, everything about it was trying to force an outcome with me that just didn't work.
>>59592990>>59592997Very nice, same for me except she sold her car because she never drives.
>>59592975I spent <$3k on our wedding ($1600 venue and $600 for food, $150 decorations, $20 dress)No ringsI work from home, watch the kids, invest/manage finances.You're just looking at shit women.
>>59593838Marriages are done fore the two families to meet each other too. Most of the cost of the wedding is suffraged by the attendant's gifts. Atleast in Spain it is customary to atleast pay the value of the food they are serving you, 100-200€ minimum per person.
>>59593708Real. I feel this. My family terribly embarrassed me in my last relationship. Parents are divorced goofballs, even worse now since my dad did remarry and just got himself divorce raped while in retirement like a fucking moron. I’ll never forget taking them along with my brother and girlfriend to an Italian restaurant with my ex. They stared at the menu like it was from outer space. Proceeding to order pizzas and completely remove everything but the cheese from them. Just uncultured and pathetic desu. I wanted to get married and see them there, but the older I get the more respect I lose for my family on the whole so it makes marriage just seem stupid AF at this point. So good luck finding a woman that also doesn’t care, basically have to find one from equally as broken of a family or a chill AF family that DGAF.
>>59594103Bat shit
>>59594154Perceived social status requirements. One of my uncles is a very successful business owner. He dropped easily $100-200k on his daughters wedding in 2006 because of that.They're still together, btw, but it was a silly waste of money that could have bought a house.
>>59592975>20-30K On wedding ring>50-100k on wedding>spend thousands a month on childcare>spend thousands a month on your wifes happiness so she doesn't get bored and divorce rape you>risk half of your net worth and your home and the ability to father your children>forfeit half of your future income for child support payments.>half of your retirement savings and crypto automatically becomes hers.>Prenups get thrown out in court every day in favor of the woman>Constantly have to police your wifes social media accounts to make sure no guys are slipping in her DM's>become like a puppy on a leash and self castrate to totally make your life revolve around her needs.>Shes had sex with other men before you but you have to honor her like a virgin because feminism.>if no divorce you have to take orders from her for the next 70 years of your pathetic life. Just fucking imagine doing this shit....fuck do people really be doing this shit still? Holy fuck.
>>59595884congrats anon, now enjoy watching your kids grow up to not be able to afford a starter home or families of their own. Best case for those poor bastards is that Maybe they become troons and get internet famous.
>>59596953We are both high IQ and I'm investment obsessed and intuitive so I doubt they're going to be homeless losers like the rest of the rabble, I'm not a fatalist or doomer just roll with the punches and learn
>>59597408a woman’s love is entirely conditional. the only unconditional love you’ll ever get in your life are from god and your dog and, if you’re lucky, your parents. this is a difficult thing for men to internalize as we have the natural instinct to value loyalty.but this doesn’t mean women don’t love at all. it just means it doesn’t last. you basically have to keep making her fall in love with you, or she’ll stop. like the difference between passive income and active income. a woman’s love is not passive income. you have to keep putting in the time, money, and effort to earn it. if you can learn to understand this, then you will have much more success in your relationships with women.
>>59592975lmao retard go outside stop watching manosphere industry commercials as your only window to the world
>>59597594/thread
>>59597594>>59597606It isn't manosphere to point out that the institution of marriage is quite literally dead
>>59592975>Have to pay 40k-50k on a wedding.Mine was $5k and our families funded half of that.>Have to buy at least a 10k ring that is actually worthless.Do people really? I spent $250.>If your wife works she is highly likely to cheat on you with co-workers during the relationshipShe works with middle-aged women who bitch to her about their shitty husbands. I'll let you run with that info at your discretion.>If she stays at home you need to financially support her forever.Doesn't apply to me.>Wife will pressure you into buying expensive cars, buying designer shit, go on trips etc.Ten years in and that's yet to happen. We both drive cars older than 10 years, we do modest trips that are well within our spending cash and she most name brand she will buy is Victoria's Secret I told her to get because her old bras were pieces of shit with the wire showing. >No fault divorcesThis works both ways.>half your stuff goes to her.Jokes on her she had more than me when we married so I'll end up with more if this happens.>If you have kids you will be forced to pay child support even if the kids are actually not yours.Don't have kids. Doesn't apply to me.
>>59593820>>59593857>>59593735>>59593674>>59593595you can get married without signing a government paper
>>59597748>Don't have kids. Doesn't apply to me.What's the point of marriage then, u basically have a homosexual partnership>>59597620Manosphere commercials like pic rel
>>59592975>spend 40-50k on a weddingNo you don’t unless you married a whore>10k ringSee above>your wife is likely to cheatAbout as likely as you are>if she’s home you gotta support herIf that’s your deal it is, if you don’t want that don’t marry a stay at home wife>wife will want carsSee first commentthe rest of it is just what if scenario in case of divorce>lower taxesMakes it all worth it
>>59592975>proposed to 2nd generation south american girl from European stock>got married in a church>ring was 2k >got married during covid restrictions >spent total of 1k on reception which parents organised at their place>couldn't legally invite more than 20 people so perfect excuse to not invite hordes of nagging acquaintances>wife hates shopping>she is a qualified health practitioner and is willing to work each week >sired a blonde haired child with green eyes>tell her to stay home and look after child>makes me coffee every morning >go to latin mass every Sunday >go to beach every week>couch co-op on POE2 Friday nights Heed doomers but they're not gospel. Godspeed lads
>>59594150why do you want a "partner"? only men can be partners as equals, are you gay?
>>59597768Tax benefits mostly. Even if we didn't do it formally by the laws in our state we would be common law married by now anyway. And that isn't to say we won't have kids in the future but we're not rushing it either.
>>59594150Because women were always meant to be mens property by design. Women were created to compliment man. Men were not created to be passive emasculated cucks who worship femoids and give all of their wealth to them in divorce.
>>59594491It's not the same. She literally can't divorce you. She can only take your children.
>>59597978he’s talking about common law marriage, but my understanding is that’s no longer the law in most US states these days.
>>59597780Nice, we also used COVID as an excuse to not have a big wedding. It cost no more than a few thousand dollars to have a small ceremony then take the family out for dinner afterwards.
>>59597765You can, but in practise no one does. Why would you go all the way but stop short at making it legal?
>>59596250We have 2 cars and barely use the second one, so we let her brother use it. Once the second car dies we’re not replacing it, better to have one nicer car
>>59593302This anon is the only non retard in this entire thread. Unlike /pol/ everyone here isn't an incel. Please keep that in mind before posting.
>>59593323truth is, you need to go outside nigga none of this shit you are brainwashed by on the internet applies to anyone with a social life
>>59592975Incel
>>59594103These girls are fucking underappreciated gold. I had a MILF sugar baby like this for about a year.I used to laugh so hard when she's go on crazy rants about Q Boomer stuff, how Trump will build a national memorial to January 6th, how Mel Gibson worldly regent for Jesus Christ, etc.Insane rocking body too. Biggest violent freak I ever knew in bed. She would demand to be cuffed up fucked for the entire days sometimes.The bad part is she had turboADD and the attention span of a gnat. Like she would automatically cut into you talking and start a totally new unrelated conversation and I couldn't deal with that after a point.Oh, plus another guy's kid, who was actually turning out to be a pretty smart hockey chad, considering what his mom is.
>>59592990I'm glad you found a gem among all the coal
>>59592975you forgot that if she stays at home the post and milk man will fuck her, you are perma cucked. you should transition and get yourself a good man like yourself.
>>59592990>she was a virginLmao.... I got news for you anon
>>59592975>Why the fuck would anyone do this? feelings/sex/children
>>59592990>>59592997she will do bbc porn in a few years, trust me
>>59592975I'll say marriage is not worth it if you met your SO at a later time of your life(20 and beyond).Mine is working cuz I met her at 16(Both virgins so no ex traumas or comparison and fuck her first, then went to same college, keep fucking her and making her cum, now I do good money at 24.I spent about 40k in a weeding, but less than 2.5k in the ring, and this is coming from Mexico(white mexicans tho), so ameritards have no excuse whit their high paying jobs everywhere and low interest debts.The fact that her family gives us a house also work really well, since I saved enough to buy one more home, probably will live from my rents in less than 10 years, I will feel so trashy getting people from people who must rent, but that´s life for prime men like me I guess.Marriage is really good in my opinion, but less than 10% have the social and cognitive skills to pull it off.
>>59592975Cheating happens in marriage that are already going to shit. Anybody who says their marriage was perfectly fine before finding out that their spouse was cheating on them is delusional and doesn't realize that they stopped being compatible with their spouse a long time ago.
>>59592990is she hot
>>59592976If a broad is delusional enough to want a big wedding and spend that much, she was definitely not marriage material in the first place. A potential wife for me would need to be practical and good with money and not be a mindless trend following consumer (basically impossible to find these days)
>>59592997>>59596250Nice, glad a few of us made it.>>59595048>>59595114>>59600972>>59601048>>59602855Lol so much seething.
