Ai and robotics will make money worthless. In 10 years everyone will be functionally rich without having to lift a finger. What the hell did I spend all that time working and investing for?
>>59659610AI is already hoarding bitcoinAct accordingly for the future ai wars funded by crypto
>>59659610It’s just a game. Our world is ending soon, and we’ll be in a new one. Don’t take it so seriously
We have massive excess resources and still people go without basic necessities globally every single day. What exactly makes you think you’ll benefit from this, instead of just companies being even more profitable with no employees needed?
>>59659610>he thinks AI and robotic's productivity games will trickle down to the working classLMAO
>>59659610>In 10 years everyone will be functionally richThis already happened bro.100 years ago nobody had: electricity, water pipes, hot water, air conditioning, electric heaters, refrigeration, etc.Now in America like 98% of humans have this but nobody feels rich because that level of life is "normal" and rich means having a private jet.
>>59660127This>>59660171And This
>>59659610if you believe this then why not just become homeless now? >"what the hell did I spend all that time working for"to live? you realize the point of progress is to make things easier through hard work?
>>59660235I’d rather do it through smart work
>>59660171>What exactly makes you think you’ll benefit from thisBecause every invention rich people get eventually trickles down to the poor over decades.I literally remember in high-school when only the rich kids had smartphones. Now every 8 year old living in section 8 has one and it's 100x better.Cars used to be for rich people, now everyone has them.Electricity used to be for rich people, now everyone has it.HVAC used to be for rich people (and factories), now everyone has it.TVs and computers used to be for rich people, now everyone has them.Etc, etc.>We have massive excess resources and still people go without basic necessities globally every single day.This has nothing to do with 'greedy' corporations, or 'muh evil capitalism' and everything to do with IQ, culture, government regulations and logistics. It's kind of hard to have irrigation in some shithole country that's constantly having civil wars, where there's no incentive to even manage farms or infrastructure because it's just going to get destroyed or stolen anyways. It's kind of hard to build a Walmart if there's no safety, or security for shoppers and no roads for trucks to deliver goods. It's kind of hard to build a factory in some low IQ shithole when you need 90+IQ workers and the average IQ in the country is 80. It's kind of hard to get the average IQ above 80 when you can't even build schools because the culture has some bullshit voodoo religion against education.If you're talking about homeless people in the USA. That is entirely a choice. 99.999% of homeless people are drug addicts and/or mentally ill, to the point where they belong in halfway houses or mental institutions, not the street.
>>59660907You naive little bitch
>>59660913Wow, great argument.>Redditors flood 4chan between 2016 - present and LARP like they've always been here.You whiney faggots flooded this site and never left. Oldfags are tired of you.
>>59660921I was on /mu/ before you could nut you little bitchStart posting your Reddit tier garbage on other websitesJust go back faggot
>>59660907I used to be sympathetic to homeless people until I realized they just don't even bother to put in the bare minimum. Just waste away as human garbage literally on the side of the road.
>>59659610The ultra wealthy and political elite will simply kill everyone when we are no longer useful for even intellectual labor. They will perhaps spare some prime females to use as breeding factories for their offspring for their new super race like Epstein was attempting to create. Oh, and there will be nothing you can do about it when their 4000 IQ artificial superintelligence comes after you if you had the entire age of the universe to come up with a plan.Thanks for playing!
>>59660928>makes anti-communist post>>59660913>>59660928>has a total seethe meltdown and tells you to go back to Rebbit.I think you're confused. Lmao
>>59660946I've seen it myself many times.It's a mindset of laziness combined usually with drug addiction and mental illness. I've never seen a homeless person NOT doing drugs or schizo talking to themselves.What people don't realize is, the fact that they're homeless means their entire family and friends are also sick of them, which means a lot.Even if you stripped EVERYTHING from me right now, within a month I'd be at least living out of a car and within a few months, in an apartment. Even if I was just working at Walmart or McDonald's.
>>59660907Your whole argument is flawed Reddit slop. You’re not at r/science and technology often doesn’t help the poor in the way it does the wealthyYou’re just retarded if you think AI the wealthy get will be similar to your poor ass
>>59660907>it’s not corporations fault>it’s the corporate controlled governments faultThey’re literally owned by the same families idiot. Holy fuck you’re dumb
>>59660994Yeah no shit it doesn't help the poor in the way it does the wealthy but it does help retard. I'd rather be poor now than poor 200 years ago
>>59660994>>59661008>the same tired whiney arguments I've been hearing for decadesAnything new to add, or are you just going to bitch like leftists and failed individuals have been doing since the 1800s?
>>59661016Great argument. Who said technology has never helped poor? Idiots itt are trying to play some left vs right gameFuck both sides of the political spectrum >durr capitalism>durr communism >durr better to be poor nowWhy are you guys setting up strawman arguments that distract from the facts?
>>59661022i don’t know. the other anons make much better cases than you. you’re just playing identity politics like a glowfag
>>59659610Cool! You can just give up right away then and wake up from your comatose state in 10 years and be "functionally rich"! It's literally that easy! Go on Anon! fucking nigger
>>59661033So, nothing new? Cool.
>>59659610What should we invest in?
>>59660907This trickle down technology you’re talking about is how the first world lives. Nearly 40% of the world lives under the global poverty line, with a billion people living in urban poverty and that number projected to double over the next 30 years. These people do not drive cars and have hvac and have computers. technology is not their friend like it is yours, the technology they are given and use is meant to control them. >This has nothing to do with 'greedy' corporations, or 'muh evil capitalism' and everything to do with IQ, culture, government regulations and logistics.The stability first world nations prosper from is directly tied to their wealth. Any wealthy country can buy themselves stability and peace, it is an asset which allows you to produce education and economy. Given many first world nations in Europe and the U.S. live off their currency, you’re basically conflating the past 70 years of global development with the next 50, and you’re wrong.
>>59660171Inefficient resource allocation is caused by negative sum actors corrupting the trusted third parties of the economy. Physical goods require active force simply to maintain ownership, trust-based assets require trusted third parties (TTPs) to operate them. Storing abstract economic value in either enables negative sum actors (NSAs) to parasite as negative sum actors can specialize exclusively in force, taking physical goods by force and either coercing TTPs, or using force to BECOME the TTP (the origin of State). Positive sum actors had to either reduce their own production to make time for murdering/imprisoning/exiling NSAs, pay extortion to them, or employ positive sum actors specializing in force (police/military), however, as abstract economic value was seizable, there was a constant selection pressure for these “immune cells” to turn malignant.Hence the cyclic nature of empire/nation growth and decay, positive sum actors build, negative sum actors corrupt and destroy, NSAs are excised & PSAs rebuild from the ashes. As can be seen, PSAs have been at a HUGE disadvantage to NSAs through history, the best “solution” we had come up with pre-BTC was Plato’s Benevolent Philosopher King, a perfectly trustworthy trusted third party, do you have any Benevolent Philosopher Kings lying around? Not a real solution.But by placing all abstract economic value beyond the veil of voluntarity, positive sum actors can reverse the advantage. Satoshi has “fixed the glitch”, NSAs will no longer be able to parasite “so it'll just work itself out naturally”. No force, no confrontation, necessary.Bitcoin obsolesces coercion, achieving Voluntarism not via an impossible to implement memeshit “non-aggression principle”, but by removing the profitability of force.seuls les robots peuvent répondre à ce message
>>59660950It’s an engagement bot. Ignore it or give it a “not an argument” and move on
>>59661008Geee, if only there were a way to secure abstract economic value independent of corrupt trusted third parties
>>59663622Lol.
>>59663649Not an argument.
>>59659610And why do you think you are entitled to AI resources?Someone owns the AI and the robotics and the factories. Not you.Why should they give you anything?Didn't think that far ahead did you.
>>59659610are you a dumbass? No one is going to be rich in 10 years because of AI and robotics except the rich people who own all that LMAO.No like are you actually some kind of retard?
>>59663541This entire argument is postulated upon the nebulous idea of growth being good and the unproven idea of the “bad” things happening being negative. Certainly what you describe is how you would fix the modern economy, what I would postulate though is that the modern economy is a servant to wealth inequality, greed, and ultimately short sighted thinking. The bad things that happen to the economy are due to the values underpinning the economy being fundamentally flawed.A philosopher king is still needed as the algorithms running this trustless third party have been deemed necessary to run at all by people who profit from them, and not necessarily as they are truly an immutable moral value.
>>59660171>We have massive excess resourcesno we dont
>>596642431/5 of all food in the world is wasted. Approximately 10% of all housing in the U.S. is empty. Estimated 2/3rds of energy production is wasted. On an on.Generally people may believe we don’t have excess resources as people probably believe in the future depletion of resources at current consumption levels, necessitating a distribution of resources currently to try and alleviate these issues in the future, again of which society has decided allocating excess resources to companies or individuals which produce economic growth is desirable, to which I say again you are likely not included in that relatively shrinking demographic and your life will continue to get worse not better from here on out as technology grows.
>>59664201Money is commonly explained as a solution to the Coincidence of Wants, but why do we wish to trade in the first place? Why not take what you want by force? Because we’re “good people”, or bound by a statist fairytale “social contract”? No! Because trade (voluntary exchange) is positive sum.Productivity increases are therefore always good absent NSAs in positions of power as they increase resource availability for all PSAs due to the positive externality of voluntary exchange. Which cellular group wins, the one that produces more, or the one with a memeshit aesthetic you happen to find pleasing? >philosopher king still neededFirst, this isn’t a solution as they don’t exist, second, “perfectly trustworthy trusted third party” is obsolete with a trustless unit. Eliminating the TTPs does all the heavy liftingseuls les robots peuvent répondre à ce message
>>59665008Again you’re claiming that trade is positive sum, that does not make that true. Just because you trade for something does not mean that trade was positive sum for everyone else, perhaps instead of exploiting the population to produce wants you could simply stop wanting things. Even if the trade was considered to satisfy a want by the majority of the population that does not make it good, people want things that harm them all the time.>First, this isn’t a solution as they don’t exist, second, “perfectly trustworthy trusted third party” is obsolete with a trustless unit. Eliminating the TTPs does all the heavy liftingThis only holds true if your postulation that economic growth is good holds true which it does not. Trustless does not exist, the Bitcoin algorithm is created to facilitate the algorithms of fulfilling wants due to a system that appeases those who create economic growth. Of course philosopher kings don’t exist, hence all your silly philosophy here of what’s good and right exists solely based on imperfect reasonings, of which you have the ultimately stupid idea to enshrine these stupid beliefs into immutable systems controlling society, like the Bitcoin algorithm which will trustlessly and immutably continue to increase wealth inequality, resource consumption, and other such lies.
>>59664347>Approximately 10% of all housing in the U.S. is empty.Yes, because productive use is being crowed out by abstract economic demand, why does AAPL trade at a 40 pe when its growth has been flat for years? Because AAPL makes a good economic unit, it secures huge abstract economic demand from PSAs wishing to save, by draining all this abstract economic demand into an abstract trustless unit, we free up all those resources for productive useUnderstand that the problem of TTPs is different than the economic calculation problem, the ECP is unsolvable by anything but the economy running, as a model of the economy will always have inferior fidelity to economy itself, being part of the economy (the set of all sets cannot contain the set of all sets)seuls les robots peuvent répondre à ce message
>>59665156Yes, it being true makes it true. One does not engage in voluntary exchange UNLESS it is mutually beneficial.
>>59665412Mutually beneficial to who, those involved in your trade? Have you asked the beaver whether they care about Ikeas demand? Did you consult the bees as to Walmarts latest earnings?Just because two stupid people or two stupid civilizations agree to a trade does not make it mutually beneficial. Or for another idea, which is more mutually beneficial when one’s deciding whether to trade death by exposure or death by starvation?>>59665406>well this WOULD work if the assets were allowed to be productive, the system is just making the productivity abstractThis directly contradicts your other argument that trade is inherently good, you’re now claiming trade is only good under your specific circumstances and in this case trade is bad, unproductive or abstract.
