THEY CAN'T DO THAT
>>60104686America>FAIR TRADE WITH ME OR PAYWorld>Fuck off. >Nobody trades with America>America bankrupt in 10 years4D Chess.
China and SEA creatures don't have a pot to piss in. They can't afford to buy what Europe sells. Good luck with that lol.
Not our fault if Americans want to isolate themselves from the rest of the world. Have fun becoming the new North Korea.
>>60104686>Declare war on SEA and EU>Act surprised when they pivot to ChinaKek
>>60104686>derisking/decoupling from the USlol
>"fuck europe"Say. THANK. YOU.
>>60104686china is not a viable alternative, everyone knows that despite all the fist thumping
>>60104731They aren't isolating themselves. The Commonwealth is re-emerging and will be led by America. Canada will capitulate.
>>60104742European brands in China have been exiting for the past decade. No one wants to do business with the yellow rats.
>>60104755Don't look at what happened in the senate today bro.
>>60104724>>60104755>>60104761Ok Mr. State Department, you can go to bed now.No one cares about or believes your seething anyway.
>>60104778Seethe harder, Godless communist
>>60104786Trump isn't gonna save you Angloid. he's too serious for that
>>60104794The fact that angloid countries got the best tariff deals suggests otherwise, Zhang.
>>60104778Cope. The yellow rats are extremely unfavorable and capricious trade partners. Even random tariffs won't make them worthwhile.
>>60104806>capricious trade partnersah yes, unlike the US
>>60104826Read the next sentence, retard.
>>60104826America doesn't rig their currency nor exploit loopholes in the universal postal agreement to dump products below cost for market share.
>>60104744They can all just stop buying bonds I wonder how good America looks if the 132 percent debt to gdp ratio looks
The entire chinese shipping system is subsidized by the US taxpayer.
>>60104848White House just announced that that loophole will be closed May 2
>>60104841>>60104836I agree the US instead fucking says any trade is bad so>10 percent rate if you have a trade deficit with the US>Whatever our trade deficit is divided by 2 for you because trade deficits are cheating
>>60104859Singapore has trade surplus but got tariffed anyways
>>60104841YET
>>60104864Singapore only exists because the US protects global shipping lanes it relies upon. Time to bend the knee.
>>60104686the euro sino coalition will be so great maybe the greatest thing to ever happen in the history of things they're saying it'll be beautiful in fact they say it's already amazing it's incredible
>>60104877>US protects global shipping >US navyAnon the Chinese are going to beat your navy in total ships by the end of the decade
>>60104686they also started to produce their own weapons which the US gov doesnt seem to like very muchbut they literally asked them to put more into defense?
>>60104915Lol ok wumao. You retards can't even build an aircraft carrier.
literally watching the suicide of America in real time, pretty incredible times to live through.
>>60104915>2 more week until chinaman chip doesn't sink once it reave port!
>>60104931China has literally several aircraft carriers. I can't wait to see America get BTFO in WW3. We will enslave your women fuck yellow babies into them. You've been warned!
>>60104983>
>>60104826KEK
>>60104724>They can't afford to buy what Europe sells. Good luck with that lol.what are you smoking.Let's say 20% of the US can afford European goods, that's like 60 million people. Okay, well China has 1.4 billion people, so even if it's a smaller percentage of people, the total number of people buying the products from Europe is the same
>>60104745Thank you, Vicky.
>>60104724according to https://atlas.hks.harvard.edu/explore/treemap?importer=country-156&exporter=group-150, china imported $24.4B in cars only in 2023
>europe has been receiving gibs from US for decades>US finally says enough is enough >europe decides to get mad for being asked for repayment
>>60105055>2023China has been a dumpster fire since she foreign companies have rapidly exited.
>>60105063I'm sure they got really poor in only 2 yearsbtw, enjoy poverty, amerifat
>>60105041Which is why luxury brands have been exiting the market as fast as they can because China is doing so great lol. The numbers don't lie.
>>60104686kek that will surely end well
>>60104724good. perhaps it will be the force that cures eu from socialism and gay "values" but the way there will certainly cause more pain than the tariffs ever to usa
>>60104761this. love how quickly the china risk talk was wiped away. now they are totally trustworthy and basically europeans :D
>>60104721>FAIR TRADE>tariffs Pick one.
>>60104686>Trump united the entire World against USAhahaha,don't worry guys, 5D chess
Predictable outcome. Amerimutts are so retarded.
>>60104755Holy cope. Take your meds you dumb american, oh that's right, you can't even pay for them. Sad, but also pretty funny.
>>60104724If you didn’t know my burger friend, Asia is fucking huge. Even if they have a smaller middle class by portion, it’s still a lot more total middle class people than USA to sell our highly developed european products into.
>>60104755>Canada will re-capitulateUhhhh, about that…
>>60104686I’m sure that will work out just fine for them.Just look how it worked for us
>>60105309>Tariff>it's actually the trade balance Pick one you fucking retard
>>60104983imagine unironically being a chink
>>60104686China has secured Europe's silence when they take over Taiwan.
>does nothing>still winsSTOP FUCKING THROWING CHINA HAS A SHIT AGE PYRAMID, IT WILL STAGNATE AND DIE IF YOU JUST DO NOTHINGFUCKING FUCK
>>60105449Australian actually who has lived in Asia. Keep coping though. China is the Titanic and all who hitched a ride onto it are fucked.
>>60105665Once TMSC is forced to relocate to the US no one cares lol
>>60105794TSMC will never make its most advanced chips outside of Taiwan. They're not stupid and they already saw how the orange retard tried to fuck the Ukrainians.
'Member when CCP created companies in and moved factories to SEA to get around tariffs? All for nought now lol. No wonder the seething is at levels we never thought possible.
>>60105808Then no doubt the tariffs shall increase.
>>60104686so what's the eu's 4d move here, lower china car tariffs so that more vw and euro factories can shut down?
>>60105814And you'll pay more for shit that people want anyway. The biggest customers of compute tech are US companies building data centers. That's not going away any time soon, so enjoy all your services getting more expensive. Need engineering consulting? Now it costs more. R&D costs more, and all final products cost way more. That's still never going to bring advanced manufacturing to the US because you have neither the facilities, nor the expertise and you won't for a very long time.
>>60105843>Thinking Taiwanese chinks have a choice hereThe cope is palpable. If they refuse, America develops it's own fabs and catches up within 10 years max
Kek enjoy those high quality chinese products, euros. selling your tight little bussies to noodle niggers will work out well for you
>>60105876>If they refuse, America developsYou won't. The kind of population that believes this is a superior tactic than just buying things for cheap is not the kind of population that has the intelligence to do this kind of work, which is why you haven't done it, and you won't. >10 years maxMinimum, and it's such a long time that by this time you'll have lost all the important races anyway. You won't build cars domestically again. You won't build chips. You won't build any of the things others do for less and for better quality. What you could do, you will stop doing, and your future is one of poverty, ruled by an untouchable elite. Enjoy your third world status, you stupid faggot.
>>60105876>Trust me xisters, we faggot hillbillies can certainly know how to fabricate semiconductor. Please keep seething, it won't stop Boeing and Intel from dying
>>60105908Lol it's not even Taiwanese tech. They don't create the lithography machines. They've simply mastered the art of doing so. Typical uppity factory hand chink thinks he can't be readily replaced. Think again.
>>60104686theyre all gonna bend over for china
>>60105908>>60105924always really weird to see posts like these when I turned down a job offer as an American citizen to work in a few semi conductor plants and every fourth vehicle is a Tesla, Dodge, or Ford. Not a fan of clean suits
>>60105898Well we already haven't been enjoying your merican products considering the trade deficit so it can only be an improvement
China's trade and capital restrictions are pretty extreme themselves
>>60105949Works for me too, not sure why so many europeans are melting down over tariffs if it isn't hurting them in any way
>>60105924>US firms create 50% of chip designs including the fastest of them.>Hurr durr muh hillbilliesCope and seethe you yellow clown. You'll be delivering food before you know it
>>60105876Trump won't be in power in 10 years, he won't be in power in just 4 years
>>60105908Right, that's why the SpaceX is making reusable rockets. That's why Nvidia, amd, apple, Microsoft, Linux, tesla, Lockheed martin, general dynamics, boeing, Raytheon, etc... are American companies, because we can't into innovation? There is no competition, and now we are going to push even harder.
>>60105925>They don't create the lithography machinesNeither do you. >They've simply mastered the art of doing soAnd you haven't while also placing tariffs on them, making it more expensive to start any kind of fab in the US. You're so stupid.
>>60105876>America develops it's own fabs and catches up within 10 years maxIf they could, they would've done it by now. Most people working in the Taiwan Semiconductor factory located in the US are Taiwanese nationals, since Americans are quite literally too retarded to do the job.
>>60105966Almost all those tech companies you mentioned are 80% chinks.
>>60105965It's bipartisan. Remember when Biden rolled back the Trump tariffs on chinks? Lol that's right he didn't - he increased them. There's nothing but pain for you, Zhang.
>>60105976Long term, the plan is obviously to take over fabrication as well. In the meantime, if TMSC wants to survive it will do as it's told.
>>60105966America can do many things, but you can't make advanced chips. The solution is to trade one for the other. This is called comparative advantage. Instead, you put a retard in office that thinks this is stupid and also mercantilism is true. So, no, you will not be innovating because your best and brightest are already working at those companies, and your population only seems to get more stupid, as evidenced by your posts.
>>60104721discord tranny cope kek
>>60105976>spend decades on dismantling education>Americans are shocked when they find out they’re too retarded to build fabsAt this point America will end up as a third world shithole and people will still cope over their American exceptionalism.
>>60105979Still American. Operation paperclip 2.0
>>60105925>Lol it's not even Taiwanese tech. They don't create the lithography machines.But you also put tariffs on those who produce the lithography machines you absolute idiot
>>60105994>You can't just go ahead and plan to make the chips you're already designing you're just hillbillies.They can and they will and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>60105989TSMC (not TMSC, you fucking idiot) has one purpose: to incentivize others to protect Taiwan. Making good product is a necessary precursor to that. TSMC doesn't have a point without Taiwan, so you will never see them move their most advanced capabilities abroad, even if it were cheaper to do so. It's a strategic industry, and it's not going to change.
>>60105979>>60105976Most of the asians working in these factories do so because they can be hired for cheap, not because it requires any actual expertise. Electronic assembly, semi conductor manufacturing, and silicon wafer production are to asians what gardening and construction are to mexicans.Most of the actual design for the products is done by actual code trannies or the mediocrity paid white engineers with desks full of weeb trash and schematic piles respectively while the noodle niggers slave away in the clean rooms. I know this because I worked in IT in such industries for the last 4 years
>>60105994Ohh, but we've only just begun. The left is the reason why public schools teach kids 2 + 2 = 5. That's not happening anymore, all you can do is seethe and watch as Americans takes back our exceptionalism. Gen z will have a purpose, gen alpha is already doing better.
>>60106003And what are they going to do about it when it's their biggest end customer? They either play ball or leave America open to enter the space which they will do eventually anyway. That's guaranteed.
>>60104724Have you considered that in return for a closer relationship China might start technology transfers and service provision to China instead of trying to stop that from happening? EU will go from trying to keep things out of China to trying to push things INTO China, to develop the Chinese market.Trump is creating a nightmare creature - the enormous Chinese body, but with a European brain.
>>60106020>feels over realsAnon, a big aspect of western society is rationality and not blind faith. Take a step back and think here.
>>60104742B-but Europe supposed to love us!!!!
>>60106020>The left is the reason why public schools teach kids 2 + 2 = 5I see that you also have a poor education, anon. >Gen z will have a purpose, gen alpha is already doing better.I will enjoy seeing both of these generations prostitute themselves for scraps at the mercy of your oligarchs. You gave up the top spot for nothing.
>>60106036We already took a step back and now we're taking two steps forward. >>60106042I see you have no argument, I accept your concession.
>>60106035They can go ahead. Do you think they haven't already had a taste of how awesomely one way it is being in a partnership with chinks?This is mere bluffing. They won't do shit.
>>60106035>but with a European brain.
>>60106068>Do you think they haven't already had a taste of how awesomely one way it is being in a partnership with chinks?As opposed to being partners with America? Which is stabbing them in the back on trade and Ukraine?China sucks as a partner but America is making China the preferred partner anyway, despite how much they suck.
>>60106090>stabbing them in the back on trade and Ukraine?You mean how we have been taking the burnt of tariffs and Ukrainian aid and now that we aren't going to anymore, you cry because you can't, so, you have to take sloppy seconds to try and make us jealous? Holy cope n kek. Sneed n feed just don't cut it.
>>60106110Brunt* our*
>>60106090>Hurrr if you're not partners wiv America den you have to partner wiv ChinaYou think like a fucking adolescent. They won't be getting into bed with China (again lol) because it's economic suicide to do so.
>23 posts by this IDLooks like we're in the real schizo hours
>>60106128you have to understand, they need to argue that America definitely didn't lose all trust from it's former allies
>>60106128>Just let the chinks still in peace, schizoNo
>>60106140*shill
>>60106110>You mean how we have been taking the burnt of tariffsIf a country tariffs the US that means it is taxing its own citizens. European tariffs cost Americans literally nothing.>and Ukrainian aidEurope has given more to Ukraine and most US aid was spent buying American weapons from American companies, i.e. a subsidy for Americans, whereas most European aid was actually transfer payments i.e. actual aid.You're just stupid, and that's why you're doing stupid things. China is evil but at least they're not retarded.
Lol unhinged
>>60106122>They won't be getting into bed with China (again lol) because it's economic suicide to do so.Europe is already in bed with China, retard.
>>60106155Yeah, you are. Seethe harder for me, chink. This is delicious.
>>60106161No they aren't lol. They're tariffing the shit out of them just as Trump is doing but it's ok when the commie faggots do it amirite?
>Yeah, you are. Seethe harder for me, chink. This is delicious.
>>60106169Hmmmm.
>>6010616927 replies of seething at all enemies of the usa using meaningless Boomer insults like commiesOh dear some mutt jew is mad
>>60104724Machinery is one of the highest imports for those countries and the EU is the biggest industrial machine exporters. Also your ASML sanctions will be ignored and probably placed against you collapsing your semi industry lel
>>60106215This is why it's bad to have discussions with idiots that are political party fanboys. They can never look at anything objectively and just agree with whatever their candidate does or says. If Biden did the exact same thing, this sad Schizo loser would be saying the opposite.Sad
>>60105057>europe has been receiving gibs from US for decadesit is literally the other way around faggot
How is it Europe's problem that americans decided to be poorer?
>>60105794>Europe bans EUV exports to the US>TSMC and intel close all their new investments and eventually their factories as components won't be replacedKek mutts are so stupid
>>60104721le art of le deal
>>60106260thats what i've been wondering. why are there so many seething europeans if this only affects america? curious
>>60106287I haven't seen a lot of Europeans, just retarded Americans calling other Americans foreigners whenever they disagree with them.
>>60106300>just retarded Americans calling other Americans foreigners whenever they disagree with them.Lol yes. The schizo called me a chink
>>60106300one visit to pol and seeing the flags will suggest otherwise
>>60106287>if this only affects america?Obviously it affects us as well, you declared a trade war which is a loss loss situation. Your micro brain just understands zero sum games but that's not the case
>>60106318Maybe you should stay there.
>>60104841the US literally abandoned the gold standard when it became so blatantly apparent that their currency was rigged. And then not long after forced the japanese to sign the plaza accord so they could depreciate the US dollar to fix their trade deficit lol.
>>60106333Tell you what if you can go one thread without being retarded I'll go back to pol even though I've likely been on this board longer than youOh wait
>>60106331Nice, now maybe you can inform the retarded Europeans that keep talking about how only the US is affected by this what you just told me. It's almost like you're projecting your retardation and what you said was the entire point of my post, huh
>>60104686maybe the US should try not putting an orange retard in charge
>>60105949>>60105958This,I'm not even sure I use american products except for some tech
>>60104686>Spain and Francehas Germany stoop so low now they're a non playable character?
>>60105898>Kek enjoy those high quality chinese products, euros.hhmmmm, we actually do.We don't buy their food obviously, but we don't buy your shitty cancerous american "food" either.I've looked up what the EU actually buys from the US:>natural ressources, oil gasthat's only because you fuckers commited an act of war against Europe by blowing up Nordstream 2>Heavy machinerygee, i wonder if China makes those, we'll ask them>chemical and pharmaceutical productswe either make those or can buy them elsewhere for cheap>"cultural" productsyeah, we will get without those fine, your shitty propaganda sites, dying hollywood industry and so on. Most zoomers are all about Japan and Korea anyways.
>>60106473yes literally, France is leading. They usually alternate every other century
>>60106473dont think germany has a government yet because of their electiontheyre slow as fuck
>>60105949>>60105958Looking on me and around me, my phone is a samsung, my laptop a lenovo, my car a volkswagen, all of my clothes are either high quality or cheap euro brands from Zalando, none are amaerican. My workout apparel isn't even american, i have Salomon shoes (french brand) and Mizuno when i run. No really, i buy nothing american, been doing so since forever.
>>60106476https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/volkswagen-set-to-close-three-german-factories-lay-off-thousands-report>https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/germanys-last-solar-panel-producer-prepares-to-close-shop/Lol "winning". Spread your ass for uncle xi, commie twink.
>>60106552I'm not german, i don't give a fuck about the german car industry desu.I buy their cars myself because they are reliable, but it's not my livelyhood.
>>60106575How do you think you pay for your imports you dumb socialist cunt?
>>60106524So, everything's good then. No need to worry about the tariffs. Now, go play in the Chinese factory fields with Muhammad
>>60106587I'm French, we export many things. When you go to Hong Kong or Mumbai, you find french stores, from cheap to luxury; Decathlon, L'Occitane, Louis Vuitton, Hermes, you name it. We export food, wine, chemical products and so on + we are a touristic country.We are only a country of 68 or so millions inhabitants, in the future we could as well survive from the Chinese and Indian tourism alone.
>>60106008Literally can't though. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
>>60106631https://fortune.com/2025/02/11/chinese-consumers-lvmh-kering-slump-new-investments/Yes, winning, faggot lol. Now that the chinks have decimated your core manufacturing base they are doing away with illusion that they were ever committed to free and fair trade with you lol. Have fun, dickhead.
>>60106662Literally will.
>>60104724What do you think is discussed in this meetings?
>>60106681Yeah, i wouldn't worry much about it, luxury always come back. I also forgot Airbus that is doing much better than your shitty Boeings. We just make good products unlike you. When you make good products, you don't have to bully people to buy them.If i was an american food producer, i'd be ashamed that my products are so shit that my government has to bully other countries to buy them. And after that, YOU call us socialists, kek. Keep seething sister, we'll see if your tactics work.
>>60106722You've had massive protectionist tariffs on your ag products since forever, clown.
>>60104761yes, exactly why trump should have gotten all the OECD together and gotten some minor concessions and investments from them while pushing them into a full anti-china anti-3rd world strategy, this is a fucking mess that will force people to reproach china after biden had managed to isolate them quite a lot
>>60106008>redneck thinks creating lithography machines is as easy to do as the meth he consumesBy all means waste morbillions of dollars trying to chase ASML, MAGAfag. I want to laugh.
Europe really can't see farther than 2 weeks into the futureThis is Russian gas all over again
>>60106824Maybe you should start taking meth too then so you can design a chip worth a shit
>>60106847They've got tourism though lol!
>>60106847Gas prices in Europe are already lower than before the invasion. Muh pipeline has hurt Russia more as they were the ones who invested billions on a hard asset and that gas is stucked in an area that can only be exported through the pipeline
>>60106847Trump's trying to negotiate on re-opening the nordstream pipeline between Germany and Russia again. If Europe can't see farther than 2 week than Trump can't see farther than 2 minutes.
>>60106858Unnecessary, as long as you control any part of the chain, you are set. The US controls the shipping lanes, the taiwanese control the spearhead of semiconductor making and the EU the know how of creating the machines necessary for the fabrication of said semiconductors.
>>60106110fuck off back to pol retard. >You mean how we have been taking the burnt of tariffs and Ukrainian aid Europe collectively has given 132bn with additional 115bn to be allocated. The US has given in total 114bn (https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/). Also USA doesn't take the brunt of anything on tariffs. Cited numbers are EU VAT that the countries impose on their own citizen. Holyshit you people are retarded
>>60106794Yeah this is self destructive, I agree. But, Europe is so mental with their cultural and economic Marxist bullshit that they can't be reasoned with.
>>60106886Taiwan won't be controlling it for much longer. We're taking over.
>>60106902https://www.semiconductors.org/america-projected-to-triple-semiconductor-manufacturing-capacity-by-2032-the-largest-rate-of-growth-in-the-world/We're coming for your rice bowl
>>60106895>free trade is now socialism according to americans
>>60106918>Eurohomo thinks he engages in free trade.
>>60106913https://research.ibm.com/blog/euv-center-albany-nstc>IBM Research has already shown the first working proof point using High NA EUV lithography. Read more about our latest breakthrough on the pathway to sub-2 nm nodes here.
>>60105430his meds are made abroad
>>60106902Taiwan won't move its spearhead (it can't in a timeline that matters to american politicians), they will waste some billions moving the second rate and third rate product lines though (like they already did years ago, before realizing the absolute waste of money it represented).
>>60106929
>>60106933>further proof of the absolute dependence of the US on ASMLEU keeps winning
>>60106722>>60106631>>60106575>>60106476>French anon is smugly wrong about everythingThe memes write themselves, folks
>>60106982>The memes write themselves, folksHe is BTFOing mutts so far, what mutts don't realize is that their entire economic model relies on consumption financed by debt which is only sustainable through money printing and USD exports abroad. If foreigners start dumping their USD reserves and debt into the country (which is what Trump is looking for) you can expect double digit inflation while suffering a supply chain crunch
>>60104721>>60105476>pretending any of this was about fairness after getting btfo for attempt to throw your weight around with the tarrif thingno shame
>>60106951>Collects 20 billion a year in tariffs >"Free trade"It's ok when the jewropean Marxists do it
>>60104686It's good because European and Chinese (+derivatives like Japan) civilizations deserve to control the world while the brownoids will be eventually priced out from advanced human civilizations. The world will be more racist, more exclusive, more sophisticated - the world is healing when amerimutts, russniggers and all the rest of these idiots recede into irrelevancy. LMAO at Elon dreaming of taking over Mars... It won't be done by a country filled with H1B jeets and whose laws are all about making sure nobody touches the rights of the rich people. It will be done by countries who can advance beyond petty bullshit like arguing about trannies and Saint George Floyd, countries that know how to regulate the potential of its' population for good purposes, to guide their potential to the people that define the country and its' DESTINY. Do not (you)@me, I'm hungry but it's all true still, Fuck Amerikka and all it stands forGlory to the new era of EU and East Asians, the advanced and homogenous civilizations who have SOUL and PURPOSE in their very blood
>>60104686If the biggest player on your team doesn't know the difference between trade deficit and a tariff I think it's fair to say that it's time to switch team.
>>60104976crazy to say this considering the biggest aircraft manufacturer in the US has been building planes that can't fly
>>60105876Ten years behind catching up to what will then already be improved
I absolutely love watching the downfall of the US and their mutts scream and cope.
>>60104686L'art du deal>fig.1 how to fabricate an opinion>consequences: wtf why are they switching sidesAlso by the same people calling you a NPC.
>>60105950China removed most of its tariffs and trade restrictions in anticipation of orange mans ramblings enabling open free trade. They will fill the void left by the US against the world markets. Trump willingly and intentionally suiciding US global hegemony and soft power.
>>60104686>the mutt emprie is on its last breathWhat does that mean for the rest of the world?
>>60106824Europe loves refugees, apparently. So once China invades, they'll offer up those Taiwanese refugees workers nice houses just near ASML. This will be fun to watch.
>>60106895Europe's taxes harm European companies more than American ones, if anything a free trade Europe would harm the US more
>>60107313Exactly, and now expand this to all other industries too. Imagine the cultural and technological exhange, imagine lady Europa and lady Chinadress forever blessing us with their yuri love. It will be grorious and implessive, but actually, honestly glorious. It will be the good ending.And Japan will make an anime out of it where we win, forever and eternally.
>>60106395Youbare retarded
>>60104686TMD
>>60104724China is literally the top buyer of luxury products from Hermes & LVMH
>>60104724I think your view of China is stuck in the 80s.
>>60107717China isn't Japan's asshole and Japan isn't ours. That's your spot in the pecking order, Zhang. You offer very little that can't be obtained elsewhere.
>>60107717That's just how boomers are, anon. I remember my dad giving me the whole "there are children in china starving right now" speech when I didn't want to eat my squash.This was in the mid 2000s.
>>60106468That British invention?
>>60107983Ahh yes, DARPANET, the famous British project
>>60107771Also basically everything about child labor. Like anyone would trust a 10 year old to operate multi-million dollar machinery.
>>60104686They won't do it, our weak European leaders are too lazy to learn to crawl in Mandarin and will always prefer to crawl in English. What the hell are we Europeans doing to deserve this? Where is the EU farm that creates mass larvae? What the hell...
>>60104686Its truly over
>>60104686>USA unilaterally unifies Europe and South America making the Mercosur-Euro trade agreement effective years sooner than it should be.Holy kek thanks USA.
>>60104686To prevent the Tariffs, Europe should sing the "No No Square" song to Trump.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H31aRC3eOOI
Euro here, just got news that my state assigned Chinese gf is coming in next week. All I had to sign is that nothing happened at 15 April to 4 June 1989. Uhm based?
>>60105055We'll see how much China can afford now that we won't be buying their cheaply made plastic bullshit (made btw, by child slave labor).
>>60105754All the China shilling has people unaware of how catastrophically fucked the Chinese economy is. If you think we are in a bubble here you haven't seen anything
>>60107743We are the richest country in the world, by a long shot. China is irrelevant without us importing their bullshit. YOU are fucked m8, and you all deserve it.
The Americope in this thread is amazing. China has about the population of North America, South America and Europe combined. With hundreds of millions still waiting to enter the modern workforce from rural farming. And they don't have to drag along so many low IQ subpopulations through bloated welfare states. They're already leading in crucial future tech (solar, robots, e-cars, drones, automation). They're also competitive in AI without needing a trillion dollar stock bubble to fund it. They even make decent fucking video games these days compared to the ideological crap the US shits out. Ok, they may have a slow moving sclerotic type of government, but at least it doesn't self destruct every few years because people vote some idiots into power.tl;dr i still love you burgers, but it's over, you had a good run
>>60104686>twitter
>>60104721>America bankruptFucking lol keep coping Achmed
>>60104686
>>60113309The planet needs America more than America needs it
>>60105966>Linux is an american companyWere you born retarded or did that come later?
>>60113501America is the one that Imports literally everything
>>60113499lmao
>>60113499why did Americans, and i really mean mostly just the MIGA cult, suddenly start hating on Europe? what caused this sentiment?you could see it even in that leaked Signal chat, they pathologically hate us for something that goes beyond geopolitical reasons.i don't remember this from Trump's first term.
>>60113580And now we won't. Europe has entire industries that are dependent on access to the American market. Our economy will dip and their's will vanish. Or they could just quit trying to gyp us nonstop
>>60111740it's alright, as our influence fades and we become a shitty third world hermit state, we'll turn inwards and brutalize whoever's not in power, and we can treat that as a certain kind of victory where we once had global hegemony
>>60104877Bend the knee?They already buy more of your stuff than you do of theirs, what else are they supposed to do, pay actual monetary tribute to the US?
>>60113666They hate that Europe represents a set of liberal democracies that don't have to appeal to retarded shit, don't have massive poverty withing the working class, and are generally happy and healthy people. The whole point is just to bring Europeans down to the level of trailer park trash in America. That's why they seethe about the US subsidizing them, when most of the GDP in the US is made in liberal cities. This is why they cry about how service and knowledge jobs are fake. They don't want to better themselves. They want to drag everyone down.
>>60104721Every other country on earth>hey lets trade together, without America700IQ victory from drumbo yet again
>>60113718We're currently bettering ourselves by bringing manufacturing back to the US. Have fun selling nothing to anyone and paying for your own defense fag
>>60113677"ripping us off" and it's just them importing more textiles then we can send them shitty cars and IBMs.Do you believe Vietnam has a tariff on us for 90% btw?
>>60113666the global supporters of right-wing populism unironically want world domination and view their domestic political opponents, "the left" as a greater existential threat than their geopolitical opponents abroad. this isn't speculation JD said as much on his first visit to europe. russia's not a threat, it's liberals. I think the feeling at this point is mutualtl;dr liberal democracies that are "left" in comparison to the american right thrive in europe, this means they must be destroyed.
>>60113666Hi Satan,the reason is that Europe is a living example of how things could be done when it comes to internal policies. High living standards, worker rights, healthcare, regulations that are in place to benefit the people, and G*d forbid, they can have all of that and their nations are still rich and developed. Also leftists in US like to use EU as an example in their arguments so obviously it has to be evil.
>>60104686>EU>We will open up our markets to China and have free trade with China>When for the last 40 years they have been anti-free trade with everyone and protecting their industries from competitionI wonder why they never removed tariffs for America?
>>60113768You need access to us more than we need access to you. If the tariffs were bad for the US then all the thirdies and euros wouldn't be crying about them>>60113777They "thrive" because the US government had been funding them directly and indirectly for decades. Europe is a welfare subcontinent
>>60113758>bringing manufacturing back to the US.This isn't going to happen, and everyone knows it. The comparative advantage will more than outweigh the tariffs, and Americans will just pay more, with any decrease in demand going as discounts to countries that don't have tariffs. > Have fun selling nothing to anyone and paying for your own defense fagI'm American, you stupid faggot.
>>60113666>why did mutts [...] suddenly start hating on Europe?This hatred isn't sudden, it's genetic, and has been intensified by past historical events.Genetic, because mutts are majorly angl*s, and angl*s hate aryans and love jews by nature. History shows this.Historical, because at least in the case of mutts, their mythos originates from revanchism against Europe, first by a revolution against an european country, then by rejecting anything of european origin, such as the measuring system, to then economic sabotage, ultimately culminating in the two world wars, in which mutts and angl*s in general showed to be the best shabbos goyim there is with the savagery they'd kill european aryans, and how they'd treat the local european population, regardless if stationed in an allied or defeated country.Thinking mutts can ever be friendly with anyone other than jews is a sign of being logically impaired, to say the least.I'd trust a bong before a mutt, and that's saying a lot.
>>60113828Car factories in Mexico and Canada cut overtime today. It's already happening and no amount of whinging will stop it. Fucking economist larpers on here lmao
>>60113850Yeah, because they know demand will fall. However, they will find new markets like what happened the last time the retard tried tariffs.
>>60113826Dude, the device you're using right now is made in Asia>>60113850>Car factories in Mexico and Canada cut overtime todayAnd because of that, our factories are laying off their workers, because they're part of the supply chain. Can you not see that?You're the one larping, because every economist was against these tariffs.
>>60113666>We are poor helpless Europe, please protect us America>But don't you dare think you're better than usPretty much this, liberally supplemented with the fact that Europe doesn't buy American and puts up trade barriers, regulatory barriers, and often talks about how it is a peer competitor to the USA. Europe is no ally, it just wants to pretend it is. >But we went to war in Iraq and Afghanistan! Aside from France and the UK, Europe is defanged. Hello, German army armed with broomsticks and 10 tanks. And yet the Europeans still bitch and moan about American foreign policy. Europeans still try to strangle the business of American companies in the EU. Europe blocks American imports and constantly calls for America to abandon fossil fuels like Germany. Europe won't fucking fight the Houthis in Yemen despite Europe's import and exports relying on the Suez; no, America and the UK has to do it for them. Europe wouldn't even stop buying Russian or Iranian oil and gas and demanded waivers from US sanctions to buy them. Europe is a backstabber and a parasite.
>>60113826What I find funny about this meme of US somehow being everyone's pay pig is that it implies we were somehow able to force you to do it LMFAOOOyes EU is so weak...although they forced us to pay for their shit LMAOOO
>>60113912>StellantisThe Stellantis that still has brand new 2022 cars on the lots had to shut down production? OH NO
>>60113943So much for our American auto workers...
>>60113909>they'll just invent new marketsIf they could do this they would've done it already. Everyone needs access to the US market more than the US needs access to theirs>>60113912>stellantis>every economistFucking lol
>>60113929We did it because the US is overwhelmingly magananimous. Like with Nato. You're a bunch of babies that we decided to shelter so you didn't become communists but now we've seen that you're ungrateful and none of it was ever worth the trouble. Best to let you retards drive yourselves into the ground until you get a clue
>>60113970>If they could do this they would've done it already.No, because the US was more profitable. Now that it's not, they'll have to find the next best thing. In the meantime, the glut of consumption that isn't being used in the US will basically mean discounted goods for other markets.
How does he keep getting away with it bros
ITT:mutts larp as future semiconductor engineers and actual humanskek
>>60113970>>60113970>>every economist>Fucking lolMIG- brained.
>>60107159are these planes in the room with us right now mr bugman ?
>>60114012Who cares? Great, they can sell at a loss in the third world. Have fun. They're either gonna cuck or they don't. US wins either way. We hold all the cards.
>>60114053>Isolating ourselves from global markets is a sure way to winYou're really fucking stupid, anon.
>>60114048>"This good" >No, and Fuck no. kek
>>60114095They either agree to stop gypping us or they don't. They need us more than we need them. It's a huge fertile country of 330 million people with the most convenient waterways on Earth. We need nothing from them.
>>60114124tfw your political rhetoric is most similar to an abuser trying to isolate his victims
the world fears the sino-european alliance
>>60104686switching to the china/russia side is the only leverage europe hasif they don't take it they're retarded and deserve to be under america's boot forever
>>60113995>Carefully orchestrate a position for yourselves where you can just swoop in as the victors of WW2>Effectively vassalize all the losers of the war that didn't get immediately molested by your unholy ally (r*ssia)>Literally steal all the European tech & brains behind it for your own betterment >Set up a worldwide system of USD dominance that allows even the most basic ass American to consume as much slop as they can get their hands on (too long to write but basically this)I give massive props to the strategists, or glowies if you will, that worked for the US back in the day. And now I'm happy that Orange Man is ruining it all so we can finally rid ourselves of the Great Satan Amerikka.
>>60114124You fundamentally don't understand how any of this works. You think buying something means you're being robbed. You're just stupid and unqualified for this conversation.
>>60104686Europe is very cautious about massive deals with Autocracies ever since the war with Ukraine.And if you read the news closely, it's China that wants the meet up, they want to capitalize on US shooting themselves in the foot with a shotgun.
>>60114124I think you missed this.
>>60114135>loses argument and starts spamming rape victim shitLmao>>60114146>eurocuck can't stop seething about us supremacy>"american empire" is just the us paying for everything while their welfare queen "vassals" take advantageThis is why none of us are bothered by obliterating your industries for our benefit. Your leaders will cuck btw. They always do. Shouldn't have taken advantage of our magnanimity for so long.
>>60114157You can't even explain why the US needs the rest of the world (because it doesn't). Have fun watching your economy vanish while we build ours up>>60114165>expertsLmao
>>60113960They're fucked by Stellantis killing Chrysler and Dodge anyway. The only thing they manufacture in North America is Jeep.
>>60114204>LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
We unironically might see a global alliance against the US forming over the next 4 years unless he tones down the rhetoric
>>60113666>suddenly start hating on Europe?Picrel happened. Replace Canada with Europe.That's literally it, for no reason too.
>>60114248>le global alliance of retards selling shit goods to each other and ripping each other off>meanwhile evil isolationist usa colonizes mars
>>60104983They are diesel powered because you know half of your shit bursts into flame before it leaves the port and a nuclear fuckup would end China. Your carriers aren't force projection like the American ones are.
>>60114185You can't even explain why the Glorious Democratic People's Republic of Korea needs the rest of the world (because it doesn't). Have fun watching your economy vanish while we build ours up.
>>60113714Yep now you're getting it.
>>60114204>>60114287>You can't even explain why the US needs the rest of the worldThe 'rest of the world' is the only reason you live in a rich country in the first place. Your current economic prosperity is directly related to trade and how your country positioned itself after WW2.Trump is doing everything in his power to destroy all of that.I get that you're probably trolling and pretending to be retarded but the issue is there are people out there that ACTUALLY believe the crap you're spouting. I personally wouldn't mind to see American hegemony collapse as much if I didn't fully support the vast majority of Trump social agenda which is going to get destroyed because of all this dumb shit he's doing.We're going to have another decade or more of ultra pozzed shit again until people get annoyed with it again.It's all so tiresome
>>60114327America isn't North Korea geographically, politically, or demographically, tariffs aren't communism
>>60114360Seethe more, western dog. DPRK is winning.
>>60114185Like I said, I'm happy now that Trump is ruining your supremacy. It was about time. Everyone younger that 40 knows that your country is just a new Brazil, both genetically and spiritually, and it's imperative that we will take the lead on our interests from now on.
>>60106256Europe doesn't even have a military. They are 100% reliant on the US.
>>60114352You're fully mistaken and completely retarded. Trump is restoring and improving upon positive trade positioning, and even if euros and thirdies go full suicide we'll be fine without them. The US needs internal manufacturing, trying to turn a nation of 330 million into a knowledge economy was fucking retarded and everyone responsible should be executed.
>>60114387What is muttland going to do, nuke the entire world because nobody wants to play with them? Lmao
>>60114382Keep coping thirdie
>>60114387Europe's military is larger than the US, you moron.
>>60114410>he actually believes this
>>60114409keep sharting Martin
>>60114418It's true. The US inflates its military personnel numbers by including bureaucrats.
>>60114387Are you retarded.The military was always a way to force trade concessions and alignment.
>>60114429>europe doesn'tAmerica's military is more powerful than all of Europe combined
>>60114439The US lost to rice farmers and goat herders.
>>60114453and you think europe would do better? take the L you lost this internet argument bro
>>60114453Vietname btfo France and Afghanistan btfo Russia. Not sure what point you're trying to prove.
>>60104721Wait I thought you guys were taking a principled stand against Russia, now you're allying with fucking China? Are you guys SURE that this isn't retarded propaganda?
>>60113718Funny how it's literally the same behavior. Makes perfect sense now that I think about it.
>>60115814yeah, it's not hard to figure outsub-humans deserve to be slaves to their masters, all they can imagine is envy and seethe rather than actually blaming their dear leaders/corporations and demanding change
>>60113718>don't have massive povertylet's just wait another decade and see where Europe is at when negroes and hadjis make up 40% of their countries and they have the choice of endless free money to these people. Also, I've seen wages for college educated white collar workers, and it's pathetic throughout most of Europe.
>>60113929Yeah, the people making that decision weren't doing it with their own money.
>>60113718>Europe represents a set of liberal democracies that don't have to appeal to retarded shitAlright bong, let's have a retarded shit contest. Walk outside and say the word nigger in public and see how many minutes it takes 8 police officers throwing you in jail within 5 minutes.
>>60116039sure they didn't earn every single cent by themselves but they did represent your country as a legitimate entity, did they not? I don't quite understand what you are implying here, unless you are under 18, then I do get it...lol
Can somebody tell me exactly what kind of manufacturing these tariffs are supposed to bring back? How does making the materials used to manufacture anything more expensive fix the economy?
>>60116116>fucks up on the analogy NGMI
>>60113718>fucking retarded vermin subhuman trailer park trash who deserve to be genocided, why do they hate me so much??? oyyyyyyyy
>>60104686europe is a muslim country now. which is also why they can't stop spamming "miga" hahaha
>>60116616I never said any of that. See why people think you're stupid?
>>60106010This post is 100% correct. I work for a small niche design firm that does inlay mask designs. The entire team is old white guys, we outsource our chips to chinks who then manufacture said chips. We can just have poor white people in rural america do the process engineering instead once the fabs are up and running.
>>60116921Those poor white people are the bottom of the barrel. There are already high paying jobs available that do not require a lot of education like trucking, but these retards can't even manage that. Nobody would trust them in a clean room.
>>60105876It's already going so well, in fact, that Intel's 18A fab is slowly ceasing to exist before its even finished, and they're spiraling down into a partnership with TSMC because they can't get it done themselves lmaohttps://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/cpi-report-today-inflation-stock-market-02-12-2025/card/intel-stock-rises-following-talk-of-factory-spinoff-f4qGGwmeFiuYDANKdj0f
>>60116827>europe is a muslim country nowthats a good thing though? whats your problem with them
>>60113721Why havnt you already done this? Could it perhaps be that in order to sell something, that someone has to buy it, and the USA buys most of the stuff?No shit usa tarrifing people back is bad for everyone but the USA, but its stupid to think there is a magical 2nd market to absorb products
>>60117152https://www.guru3d.com/story/intel-18a-process-scaling-from-risk-production-to-high-volume-manufacturing/Yeah sure.
>>60117853>intel press release as sourceyeah sure
>>60117889No talk of them divesting away from 18a so I guess you're wrong.
>>60104686>DONALD TRUMP IS A NAZI DICTATOR!!!>That's why we hae to no be best of pals with the C in BRICS and a country that had its leader remove term limits!These people are actually retarded.
>>60104755>Canada you can have it lol
>>60114763China isn't invading Europe with tanks and donkeys, so why wouldn't Europe trade with China?
>>60105454>Noooo we don't want to be a powerless authoritarian shit-hole anymore>joins the EU
>>60116921The US has close to no employmentYou literally cant open any factory, unless you increase immigration TREMENDOUSLY
>>60104724You should have nuked Beijing, Telaviv, New York, Los Angelas, and Moscow when you had the chance. You built the stove, placed the griddle, poured the oil, glued yourself to the surface. Now you complain when someone turns on the heat.Dumbass.
>>60113666In less than one year I predict trump supporters will become anti white third worldist
>>60115976It's hard to imagine people lower than poles.
>>60113666We think you are a bunch of bugmen who killed all your men, suck Chinese dick and can't even complain about your nobles and somehow live without cars.Some sort of cross between a chink and a jew.Now don't show us the mirror.
>>60104721>FAIR TRADE>pulls other countries tariff numbers out of Elon's ass
The Chinese have heavily subsidized key industries and protect their market much more than we do, plus they are the single biggest supporter of Russia and there is the Taiwan issue. And if push comes to shove and Europe threatens a deal with China, we can threaten a deal with Putin and put severe pressure on Europe while leveraging their dependency on our protection. Checkmate.
>>60120094You have not been paying attention to the Ukraine war, losing HIMARS and COMINT will be bad but Russia is absolutely running on fumes and even if it takes Ukraine eventually, is in absolutely no position to threaten Central Europe. If it comes to economic collapse or let Ukraine die, Euros will probably drop Ukraine to focus on the trade war
>>60113928>Europe doesn't buy AmericanAmerican goods are too expensive for the average Euro. You have to understand that our disposable income is far less to be able to afford Made in USA goods. Add a minimum of an additional ~21% VAT on the price (which applies to all imports, not just American) and Made in USA becomes a total luxury. It is the European consumer that suffers from this, not Americans. >trade barriers, regulatory barriersEuropeans just have high standards regarding things like consumer safety. This is not targeted specifically towards the US. I would personally hate to see the market flooded with literally poisonous (lead, PFAS, PFOA, BPA, and so forth) products from China or elsewhere should such regulations be lifted.>Europe is defangedThanks to your involvement in WWII, of course. Germany is the largest economy in Europe and they were being forcibly demilitarised for decades. And I bet you retarded amerisharts will start with the same rhetoric re: Japan's defence whenever China starts getting aggressive there.>Europe won't fucking fight the Houthis in YemenIf you haven't noticed, we're spread a bit thin between the insane amounts of aid and equipment we've been giving to Ukraine and the need to build up our own militaries on short notice. Anyway, you faggots need to finally realise that the EU is just a bureaucratic umbrella over a loose collection of states with utterly different demographics and culture, that are very often at odds with one another, and in many cases have been historical enemies. The fact that the EU even exists is a fucking miracle in itself. We are not a singular geopolitical entity with a focused will like the US or China or Russia and expecting similar possibilities from us makes no sense.
>>60113928>constantly calls for America to abandon fossil fuels like Germany.>>60121294>that are very often at odds with one anotherI'll give you an example here.Germany is completely retarded in its energy policy. Because of ideology championed by the pseudo-ecologist Greens, and the general mental disability of average German voters, Germany shut down its nuclear power plants in favor of burning coal and importing Russian gas.Meanwhile, neighbouring countries understand the futility of this and continue to use nuclear power.Hopefully you now understand why statements like "Europe calls for America to abandon fossil fuels like Germany" are not only inaccurate in their content but also way off the mark of any real insight into the matter.
