Just a reminder that there's an ongoing Robotics/AI arms race with economic implications far exceeding the Industrial Revolution. https://institute.bankofamerica.com/content/dam/transformation/next-gen-tech-robots.pdfPeople keep asking: Who's going to take these 3rd world jobs that are being forcefully domesticated via tariffs. Picrel. Almost all of the major tech conglomerates have been spending billions of USD within the past couple of years on not only AI but also robotics R&DMajor emerging Humanoid Robotics companies:-Figure AI (recently parted with OpenAI, still backed by MSFT)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6ChFc8eUuo-Apptronik (powered by Google DeepMind with direct investments from Google amongst others)-TeslaBot-AMZN Robotics-Boston Dynamics (Hyundai)-Ubitech-Unitree (It's humanoid G1 model can literally do a fucking side flip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29xLWhqME2Q)-BYDPeople are being psyop'd into thinking AI is a nothingburger. The reality is we don't need "superintelligence", ASI/AGI. All we need is human parity ONLY in the domains that are required for physical labor, factory jobs, low wage jobs (cashier, etc) in order for commercialized humanoid robotics to be a viable economic alternative to the existing human workforce.
>>60130638i like robots
>>60130773me too
>>60130638How can I invest? Which one will create viable AI sexbots? These are many questions I've been asking myself for a long time. Most don't offer shares for sale, with rare exceptions.
This is so fucking obvious. Onshoring the robots is good, actually. Who the fuck cares if your parents miss out on their 6th trip to Cabo this year. We will have the robots and the rest of the world's slave class can buy sneakers from us.
Google is incredibly cheap right now, not even priced like a tech company. The deepmind robot is also really impressive.
>>60130638If robotics are such a game-changing technology, why would you need to implement such steep tariffs (including manufacturing inputs) to incentivize their use?
>>60130831theres robotix but i dont like that company desuheres something i made i guess i even got it to move its mouth and answer back...
>>60130638>All we need is human parity ONLY in the domains that are required for physical labor, factory jobs, low wage jobs (cashier, etc) in order for commercialized humanoid robotics to be a viable economic alternative to the existing human workforce.If you had never heard about robots, never encountered the concepts of robots in popular culture/science fiction, and just assessed the current robots without any preconceived notion of what a robot is.You would never in a million years think "physical labour that is the future of robots".Just look at what is it! It is more likely that you get a robot performing the function of a personal nutritionist, or telling you how to cook, than actual cooking a meal.The robot isn't gonna drag your furniture around in your living room to fullfil your feng shui desire, it's gonna tell you! where to drag the furniture. People have this assumption that we will make the robot do things we won't do our selves.. What is more likely we will utilize it's strength and compensate for it's weakness, by doing it ourselves..
>>60130920Robots are a developing technology, huge potential. But it's still years away from being cheaper than a human.
>>60130945>You would never in a million years think "physical labour that is the future of robots".but i dohttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1CH-mgpdYg&pp=ygUMbnZpZGlhIGdyMDB0
>>60130920Insurance. Accelerates domestic robotic adoption, pays for transition costs and brings near-term viability vs cheap slave labor.
>>60130929I have a lot of Robotix stocks.. I think the space it is in will carry the shitty crypto-grifters that runs the company. Focusing on social/emotional labour and an immersive human-interaction experience (even if you want a non-human looking robot, you still want it to act human, behave in a certain way you - which is human. Your dream of a furry/anime robot gf, is in fact a "human" in a different skin..Being in the right space is no guarantee, but the fact alone that they managed to identify this space and their expressed vision of the company is so in tune with i believe is the real value, makes me willing to ignore their ongoing shilling/grifting and their shady past as a crypto exchange..
>>60131031why do none of the sex bots makers focus on the legs and call it a sex bot. its irritating. i know a guy oh no dur i just wanted to make like a bust bros
>>60130996They are not doing this because it is the best use of a robot.. they are doing it because they think this is what a robot is intended for, it's like using a drill for a screw driver.We KNOW that AI is more accurate at correctly diagnosticating than human doctors, that is real value, moving parcels from A to B, in the most rudimentary task.. These language models are made in the realm of books, these are the kind of things they are made for, personal in-house doctor, not in-house maid.
>>60131130But they will be better than us at being a made/tradie/surgeon.At least for the elites, for us, it's extinction time. I give it 30 to 50 years after widespread adoption.
>>60131157*maid, AI dictation failed me
>>60131130They're going to do nearly everything. Get rich within 20 years or pray that the rich won't cull you.
>>60131130the video summarizes what it does. it grabs movement data for training and can adapt as it does the movements. its not just moving box from point a to point b. You show it the video of the movement...
>>60130638All these companies are either- not accessible to poorfags- giants or overvalued techshit where even 20% of the worldwide android market wouldn't make a huge difference
>>60131185okay but if thats the case how rich do you have to be...
>>60131185Once robot on human violence is allowed for the robot police force, things will deteriorate quickly.Same goes for giving the AI independent will, for which the ROI is so desirable that it will be allowed, maybe even this decade.
>>60130987>>60131021Why not directly subsidize automation instead of crashing the economy?
>>60131206Enough to live off dividends, full shelter, enough for food, health insurance (very important), two home robots.Everyone in the cities will be dead meat waiting to be ground into paste for the AI labs building new designer life form actuators.
>>60131206Rich enough to be in the correct social groups. Commence pink wojak posting.
>>60130638I worked a year at apptronik during my PhD and everyone there thinks it's BS to scam investors privately while all being ready at any moment to give a corpo speech on how it will change the world, it was pretty funny. I talked with a colleague who's at figure and apparently their CEO was also over the moon for scamming $70m out of investors. In reality actual meaningful humanoid robots are further away than nuclear fusion
>>60131246Ya we'll just hand wall st money and hope they buy robots. Subsidies reward promises, tariffs reward results.
>>60131307Nuclear fusion is the fax machine, humanoid robots (versatile and capable) is the internet.
>>60131253are you serious? so why not implement a one child policy... >>60131307the bar for a working robot is performing monotonous dexterous tasks. it could fit and weld pipes why not.
>>60131333The government can just give out tax credits to companies that buy robots.
>>60131130Wrong. It can and will be both.If it becomes cheaper to employ AI integrated humanoid robots for physical jobs what economic incentive do companies have to not do so?Just because non-physical jobs don’t have the barrier of physicality doesn’t mean physical jobs automatically have an invincible moat. The next 5-15 years has the potential to bring the greatest economic paradigm shift (and greatest social shift) since the Industrial Revolution. You’re focusing just on just public facing LLMs (which have been publicly relevant for only ~2.5 years mind you). There are other models in development specifically for commercial/industrial applications.https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/use-cases/industrial-facility-digital-twins/As well as AI platforms specific for humanoids:https://youtu.be/eRXxUlGSHjk?si=uvWqnYrZPh_Z2-3dThe factory of the near future will likely employ a combination of humanoid and non-humanoid robots. Humanoid robots bring the benefit of greater interoperability to what otherwise will be hyper specialized non-humanoid robotic platforms/production lines. Humanoid robots ARE being developed and WILL compete with the human workforce.
OP, tell me more.Is it really going as fast and useful as this seems? Is that why the push for battery materials?
>>60131382I guess it's how much leverage you want to see used. I prefer swinging the hammer while we have one, the stakes are existential.
>>60130638Yep and Tesla is going to be one biggest players. People keep valuing them as a car company and in the future it's only going to be a small part of what they manufacture. Slurp the dips
>>60131307Sounds like BS to me. I've seen some of it already and it looks really promising. Sure it'll take some time to scale, but I can already see tons of real world use cases.
>>60131729Tesla is far, far behind.
>>60131755boston dynamics is the best its not even a contest. but it might also be overkill.
>>60131688I don’t know how the future will play out but it’s clear that big Tech sees the potential is large enough to inject billions into R&D alongside AI. Realistically I don’t think we’ll see Robotic humanoids of human parity within the next 1-2 years. But within 5 years? 10? If we can tap into recursive intelligence for AI (the point at which AI models can perform AI research at or above the level of humans) all timelines go out the window as the rate of AI advancement can potentially go exponential (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive_self-improvement).In terms of utility, any physical job a human can do a humanoid robotic will eventually be able to do better.For the doubters: remember, AI/Robots don’t sleep, don’t need work breaks or vacations, don’t falter in efficacy/quality of output, can be commercially owned without need for worker rights. What humans can compete with this from a corporate perspective?
>>60131769Boston Dynamics is completely overengineered, them being overkill is no question. Tesla is far more economical and have better manufacturing capabilities, it's still a wide open ball game though. My current bet is that Apptronik would win, but you can't actually place that bet.
>>60132345Its the first time i heard of them. if youre talking about which has the best manufacturing cost i dont know.
>>60131307My dad works at Boston dynamics he told me humanoid robots will be out eoy
>>60130638PUT A FUCKING VAGINA ON IT.
>>60132714Oh also he told me this while I was studying for my master's degree or whatever I'm very smart you should believe me
>>60130638The Isaac Lab stuff Nvidia is doing is particularly crazy. By the time regular consumers get their hands on a robot it’ll be extremely advanced
>>60131157>>60131185>>60131229>>60131253>decade or two, rich gonna kill us all and replace us with robots>oh well, cain't do nuthin' 'bout it, gods will or whatever If humans don't stop being such cucked little faggots and exterminate the 1% parasites before it's too late we deserve to go extinct.
>>60130920It takes a crisis of sorts to disrupt a long established status quo even when superior alternatives are already available because entrenched logistics, processes, supply chains, or in this case an entire geopolitical world order, all need to be revolutionized or reworked at tremendous cost and effort.Clearly steam power was superior to horse power, and steam power was already used for decades in certain functions before broad market adoption, but it took the Napoleonic Wars and resulting price surge in horses to trigger an acceleration of development of steam technology.Robots have been in use in certain functions for over half a century already, but robotics as a technology still hasn't reached maturity yet. Billions in R&D is still required, but the availability of cheap overseas labor has prevented investment. Paradoxically, a new revolutionizing technology must incubate in industry for awhile in order to become viable, with early adopters actually losing money and efficiency in the short term. Big players with capital to burn such as Amazon can obviously afford this investment, because their corporate strategy is reckoned in decades and they understand it's the future. With each iteration the technology's capabilities improve while its costs are reduced. Once maturity is reached it not only becomes economically viable for broad market adoption, but quickly thereafter it becomes non-competitive for companies to fail to adopt. A sudden disruption such as Tariffs will expedite this process by triggering an avalanche of investment into the robotics space which will accelerate the development and maturation of this burgeoning and inevitable technology.
>>60131157>for us, it's extinction time. I give it 30 to 50 years after widespread adoptionThe moment you realize life is not a movie and happy ending will not happen. The good guys will not win at the end, the cavalry will not come to the rescue, justice will not triumph, satan will not be defeated.
>>60131371One child is one too many. Just wait a decade or two, once a robotic police force works, they will start to harass us.
>>60135037>it took the Napoleonic Wars and resulting price surge in horses to trigger an acceleration of development of steam technology.That's interesting. I never new that there was such a shortage of horses. I did occasionally wonder why steam engines were around since the 18th century but not used seriously for at least 50 years.
>>60135381>The good guys will not win at the endThey good guys always win. Who else would write the history books?
>>60130638Just like current "artificial intelligence" and machines in general, robots are glorified assistants, though afaik some industries are 99% automated (like production of cars).IMO the thing is whether automation will become massive enough to become cheaper, cheap enough that even local stores of small companies use them.
>>60130638Robots have been a thing for decade s and they have been constantly improving. Just because these are humanoid shaped doesn't mean they now suddenly have "implications far exceeding the Industrial Revolution". It might mean the cost of automating some jobs is lowered a bit compared to before, because the amount of factory modifications needed to convert a human position to a robot position are reduced.
>>60135037Steam engine adoption took a long time because steam engines took a long time to improve. Early steam engines such as the Newcomen engine were shit and only suitable for narrow niche purposes such as water pumping in mines
>>60130638I agree, robots and AI are the biggest threat to everyone, when they do all the work, how are people going to survive without jobs? UBI? Nobody will want to pay for that. Serfdom? More likely. Mass deaths? Even more likely.
>>60130638Too expensive. Have you seen the prices for those, you could buy a Vietnamese village with that
>>60137335>how are people going to survive without jobsIf line goes up who needs jobs. Those who don't own assets will be performing for the entertainment of those who do
>>60137465>Those who don't own assets will be performing for the entertainment of those who doSo serfdom AND death?
>>60137523I was thinking more like belly dancing but if you want to die to entertain me who am I to stop you
>>60137547Well it feels good hearing that from someone. The subject of population growth would be brought up because theres no enough things to go around. Which is why id feel some relief hearing about a one child policy at some point. So each generation if theres a family would be half and well this homoglobo stuff magas hate is a bit of population control so the elite encourage that i think. If youre concerned about race or whatever theres sperm banks so there you go or whatever...
>>60130638This is nice and all but you just know if you place a robot inside a fast food joint or really any public facing job someone's going to chimp out and destroy it and you'll be out one gorillion dollars on your robotic workforce investment
while i agree that ai is an absolute game changer, this whole humanoid robots thing is very silly. the industry already makes extensive use of robots, and at home we already have shit like dishwashers and roombas. if a job does require the precision of human movement, then a minimum wager is still cheaper. i simply don't see the use of these generalist humanoid robots
>>60130638roko's basilisk can suck my cock (with an intelligent maid bot)
>>60132719Stupid monkey brained gooner.
>>60137573Yeah 1979 sounds like the last time a manager was held accountable for his decisions instead of failing upwards
>>60137120>Newcomen engineThe "n" at the end of his name pisses me off. Completely unnecessary. " Thomas Newcome" is a much more acceptable name.
>>60137856>if a job does require the precision of human movement, then a minimum wager is still cheaperI think the idea is that a robot will be cheaper than a minimum wagie, and more pleasant to work with.
>>60130638I cannot fucking wait until Americans realise they cant have nice things when in China, Japan, Singapore and some Euro nations have these things walking amongst their people and when they try the same shit in America they're instantly destroyed and stripped of parts by blacks LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>60140967t. didn't invent an enginen
>>60137856Robots are more precise, it's just harder to train.
>>60140993There aren't going to be any blacks, Anon. We don't need a disposable lower class anymore once we have robot labor running everything. They'll just pare the population back to Middle-Class-and-Up and pretend like Super COVID got everybody, or something.
>>60140993once robots become smart enough they will learn to avoid black neighborhoods. until then we keep them safe indoors, especially the bedroom
>>60138941evolution applies just the same to AI models as it does biological organisms. thanks to sci-fi, people assume AI will be cold, rational, and logical, however the ecosystem of these robot is human service. the fittest model is the model that can best satisfy humans, not the model that is most rational.
>>60141483based
I can't believe this is a robotics thread and no one is bringing up Auki Labs. Sleeping giant.
>>60137856>if a job does require the precision of human movement, then a minimum wager is still cheaperminimum wage employees:get sickget oldstealare latedifficult to retrainget boredhave bad daysgo on vacationA humanoid robot just works. Maintenance is scheduled.it will never have a 'nigger moment' and burn your place down because of an event that occurred 1500 miles away to someone that looked like them
>>60142035What if it turns out that, as AI gets better, it gets more human like. So that robots>steal>get bored>have bad days>are lazy
>>60142858>What if it turns out that, as AI gets better, it gets more human like.Then just upload a better version
>>60142935What if someone bakes in code that makes robots think humans should be killed, just for fun?
>>60142974>What if someone bakes in code that makes robots think humans should be killed, just for fun?YOUR robots will defend you from THEIR robots
>>60142983How will my robots know which robots are killers until it's too late? With human killers it's the same problem, but now you can industrialize the need to kill instead of have just a few bad actors involved.
>>60142992Welcome to life... there are no guarantees of safety
