Holy I can't even what the fuck is he doing why is he burning everything to the ground!!?!??!
>>60152546One thing will win in the endVIX CHADS WE WON
>>60152525HE is ready to KICK some ASS
all we had to do was turn off the internet and things could've gone back to normal
The signal is we get a crash that we don't recover from. JPOW must step up and be the man.
>>60152525What the hell I thought Drumpfh was a puppet of the billionaires and oligarchs why were we so wrong about him all along he really is serious about making america great again this is terrible
>>60152639They don't call him Zion Don for nothing.
>>60152639ThisMy fellow groyperbros told me on Discord that Zion Don was an Israeli asset working to bring the White Man down and make billionaires even richerBut then he comes and brings the markets down only so that deplorable Trump supporters can get better jobs and have a future? Fuck this retard!
>>60152525>Sleepy Joe BidenWow this orange retard really has Biden in his head rent free even when he's out of office lmao
>>60152639>>60152765>mongoloids still drinking the kool aidActually talking like this to anyone irl is increasingly likely to get you lynched
>>60152594QRD on VIX?
>>60152765>Trump supporters can get better jobsCorporations will start cutting jobs this week based off market reaction.
>>60152793kamala lost
>>60152793he has to shift the blame somewhere for his own massive failures
Taxes are taxes, retard. Producers will pass the cost of taxes onto consumers as make as possible but will eat some of the cost proportionally to elasticity in that market. Currently the US is financed near-entirely through taxes on labor producers (income tax, payroll tax) this creates an artificial advantage for foreign labor producers, by increasing taxes on imports this tax advantage is reduced which leads to greater demand for domestic labor producers (workers).
>>60152803You won't do shit. Trump supporters work out and train on the shooting range while you goon to BNWO porn
>>60152807when orange man causes market panic, volatility goes up because people don't know wtf is going on. The higher the volatility, the higher VIX goes
>>60152825I dont fucking care about your DEI Kamala Toe Harris. But that doesn't mean I won't shit on your Jew God Drumpf. >>60152833Checked
>>60152607(you) will be paying those tariffs on import and it will be a beautiful thing
>>60152869is VIX on degiro. i'm so cucked as europoor i don't have half the weird quirky ETFs and whatever the fuck americans have
>>60152546He’s just extremely stupid. It’s as if he didn’t take even an intro class in economics, he’s truly just so damn low IQ.
>>60152876>2021It's satisfying to see you so desperate
>>60152525>he went full retardedHe was always a retard. This time he is surrounded by YES men so his retardation is out of control.
>>60152636Rates aren’t going anywhere. Expect at least 20% annual inflation for the next decade
>>60152765Kek
>>60152880Please explain why taxing foreign labor producers is bad while taxing domestic labor producers is good. I’ll wait.
>>60152525YOU NEED FIRST THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE YOU CREATE LAWS TO PROTECT PRODUCTION IN THE USFIRST CREATE AN INDUSTRY THEN YOU CAN PUT OUT TARIFFS WHY IS HE SO RETARDED
>>60152855What the fuck is BNWO porn you weirdo cultist freak
>>60152765>Trump supporters can get better jobs and have a futureAnon.. manufacturing jobs can't get filled now. This is because few people wish to work in them, and the rest cannot pass a drug and/or background check. 1955 is not coming back.
This would be funny though:>create a system where you can print money out of nothing>become the most prosperous country on earth by getting others to accept it in return for real goods>retard gets elected who ends all this just to hoard the shit we can literally just print for freeIt would be funny if we all weren't tied to the consequences of this retard
>>60152765You're taking the piss, but just in case you're not, the last crash wasn't great for anyone but billionaires.
>>60152956A threat with a plan to boycott everyone else. I don't think trump thinks about anything wlse but his plan.Wait maybe about the next golf course he plays on lol.
>>60153007people really thought voting for the retard would make btc moon to infinity.
>>60153022Chinese and European civil boycotts becsuse of inflamatory military threats from Trump are also hitting US exports, and he wants to cut imports too. The markets are going to collapse holy fucking shit.
>>60152525Tariffs are a matter of national security. America doesn't have the manufacturing capability to wage a war with China. The main goal is too bring back factories so that the U.S is able to switch to a war economy at a moments notice. Pic unrelated
>>60152887you can't buy the VIX retard it's an index not an instrument one can buy.You can long or short VIX futures but before doing that go learn about contango and backwardation to learn why longing the VIX is rarely a good ideat. fellow europoor
>>60152639>Crash Economy>Top 1% rides it out>Buys up all the foreclosures for pennies
>>60152765These mythical "better jobs," are you talking about chinese sweatshops? Because the "better" manufacturing jobs of the past has mostly been automated away by technology, the only jobs that will come back are ones that pay wages competitive with chinese slave labor. Magatards deserve them though.
>>60152888To be fair, he didn't have to be smart, he just had to be smarter than his opponent.>Try to gaslight people about egg prices>Try to gaslight people about the borderI don't know what Kamala was thinking.
>>60152956Incorrect. See: >>60152848No such thing as a good tax, all taxes are detrimental, but uneven taxation creates a competitive advantage for things with a lower tax rate, before domestic labor producers faced high taxes and imports faced near-zero taxes, creating a huge ARTIFICIAL competitive advantage for importing versus buying domestic labor
>>60152888Ah yes the billionaire with an economics degree knows less about economics than some random anonymous nobody on 4channel. You sure showed him anon.
>>60153131All the bestest and smartest economists are living in their underwear in their mom's boyfriend's basement, everybody knows that.
>>60152807its an inverse tracker, grows during economic downturns
>>60153081Forgot the pic :)
>>60152639niggers born after 08 should be banned from this board
>>60152972>>60153160Anons, it's over. The final parts of blue collar manufacturing are being automated, with mass deployment somewhen before 2029. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoXCHr1IaTM
>>60153163Its true, aspies with zero soft skills makes them unemployable.
>>60153112>close down outshored manufacturing sites that depend on slave labor and have always been the target of tariffs (even before last week)>reshore to a state with cheap electricity and automate the process instead of relying on literal Indonesian children>Americans get technical jobs dealing with the infrastructure, bots, machines, engineers get jobs, the entire supply chain is renovatedNobody is asking for sweatshops to come to America, dumbass
>>60152546Trump genuinely believes that if a trade deficit exists with the USA, then that means that country cheated or/and a sign that the US is in a bad state and is "losing".You see Trump doesn't actually know what a trade deficit is but he has an idea of what a deficit is since he did sit in boardrooms and hear people say the word and it sounded bad, so that's why he believes this.It gets worse because he also doesn't know what a tariff is either, he just knows it's some "thing" you do when you want to protect a business.
>>60153220>Zoom in on that idyllic image and see the suffering >All Archons must be vivisected.
>>60153081>The main goal is too bring back factories so that the U.S is able to switch to a war economy at a moments noticeWill not happen, there is more money to be had elsewhere
>>60152888Trump has an Economics degree from the Wharton School, one of the best financial schools in the world. Six Nobel laureates in Economics are from Wharton.What are your credentials on the subject?
>>60153160>Americans never said no to manufacturing jobs - Washington did it by outshoringSo many trumptards like you have this weird view of the economy as if its all centralized planned by the government or secret cabal of globalists. No one just decided to not have manufacturing jobs. Its simply not profitable to employ people in the US when americans won't accept the jobs at low enough wages. Manufacturing went away because more advanced, productive, and higher paying industries out competed them. Trump can't just construct a fantasy economy where you can work 40 hours a week on an assembly line and somehow be productive enough to earn a wage that supports a high standards of living. Its a retarded fantasy. There is no light at the end of this tariff tunnel, just poverty were you may get a sweatshot job that pays shit because there are no alternatives not because they're good jobs.
>>60153328guess how i know you never went to university
>>60153228>technology reduces the value of laborLuddite retard. Technology is always and only a force multiplier, increasing automation only increases real-terms income for labor as real-terms output increases creating more goods chasing the same population. See: Industrial Revolution.
>>60153333Cry Abt It
>>60153404Yes dipshit, but it also means you can run the factory with 0-10 people. Sure it will lead to things being produced domestically (and it might even make it preferable depending on how effecting those robots get), but it also means that they'll be a lot less jobs needed to get things done.
>>60153006Why are you acting like he's suddenly stopped gorging on Jewish dick?
>>60153276You believe a second- term president doesn't know what a tariff is? You honestly believe this? Like for real, no homo?
>>60153333nice numbers
>>60152525You just realized? He’s been retarded since first day in office.
>>60153333>heavily tax domestic labor producers>tax imports at near-zero rate>shocked shocked that labor consumers buy foreign production over domesticCentral planning is continuous not discrete, retard.
>>60153404>Technology is always and only a force multiplier, increasing automation only increases real-terms income for labornot really, as you've seen since the 1970s, productivity has skyrocketed but wages are stagnant, that's because all the gains have gone to technologists. It doesn't increase real-term income for labor for everyone, only the people building the technology that improves productivity. Your average laborer today isn't any smarter than your average laborer in the 1970s, and that's why he isn't paid more, his productivity gains have been entirely captured by technologists.
>>60153524Most of the american right wing who voted for trump 3 times Have seriously shown, without any doubt whatsoever, that they have no fucking idea how basic economics, international trade, or how monetary systems work.Trump is getting the most basic things imaginable wrong, you have to be an extremely ignorant person to approve of his actions.
>>60152546He was always stupid. Now he's old and senile too.
>>60152594>below 70I sleep
>>60153131its just so interesting how the instant you question this 80 IQ retard his fans cite his credentials of being rich but when every economist on earth besides the ones in fucking north korea disagree with him all of them are wrong somehow>>60153160 those jobs are NEVER i repeat NEVER coming back, any manufacturing coming to the us in the future will be heavily automated and any new jobs from it will require higher education. The only scenario where mass employment in industry returns is if the us standard of living goes down to bangladesh tier poverty for decades>>60153333>>60153555THRUTH NVUKE DIGITSS!
>>60152765>>60152639Because kikes can't short markets...
>>60152639>>60152765yes my pede brother, the billionaires will suffer while the rednecks with no moat will coast BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THESE PEOPLE VOTE
There is no way to avoid a global recession now. This is basically Trump pressing the reset button. Might be a tough couple of years.
>>60153249>technical jobsAll given to h1b jeets
>>60153476There’s not X things that need to be done and Y workers, there’s ∞ things to be done and Y workers, if a factory needed 100 workers and you automate it and only need 10 workers you now have the total production of that factory PLUS 90 workers capable of during OTHER-THINGS, total production increases, QoL increases as there’s now more goods chasing the same population. See: All technological advancement through all history.
>>60153160The consequence of living in a globalized world is that manufacturing jobs will always go to the poor countries and service jobs will go to the rich countries.America has a lot of well-paying high-tech jobs, so many that we need to import H1Bs by the boatload to fill them.The people who got shafted are the ones who grew up in a culture that never valued education. If you had just studied in high school and made it to college, America promised you a very good life.
>>60153603An artifact of monetary expansion and tax policies that disadvantage domestic labor producers
>>60152525What's his fucking beef with trade deficits?Does he think the world is only goods?
>>60152525I'm still confused which of his billionaire friends he's trying to satisfy with all this.
>>60153924vova
>>60153905>doesn't he know the world only services?maybe he thinks that both are important?
>>60153905its even worse then that, he thinks diamond miners from fucking lesotho are scamming americans from their hard earned mining jobs because they dont buy enough fucking teslas
>>60153603Unskilled laborers aren't "owed" any kind of huge salary growthYou get high wages whena) you bring lots of value b) there aren't a million people who can do your job just as well as you can
>>60152935>why taxing foreign labor producers is bad you pay for it.>while taxing domestic labor producers is goodit's not.
>>60153620>you have to be an extremely ignorant person to approve of his actions.But what if I'm not, though?
>>60153831>The consequence of living in a globalized world is that manufacturing jobs will always go to the poor countries and service jobs will go to the rich countries.OF COURSE NOT YOU BUMBLING RETARDTHAT PARADIGM LITERALLY HAS EXISTED FOR LESS THAN 30 YEARS AND IT *DOES NOT* APPLY FOR ALL RICH WESTERN COUNTRIESGERMANY HAS A THRIVING MANUFACTURING SECTOR EVEN THOUGH IT'S A FIRST WORLD COUNTRY WITH STRINGENT LABOR LAWS AND HIGH COST OF LABORWITH AI AND ROBOTICS, IT'S PERFECTLY POSSIBLE TO RESHORE MANUFACTURING MEANWHILE ACTUALLY IMPROVING PRODUCTIVITY AND EFFICIENCY AND REDUCING COSTTHERE'S NO BENEFIT TO HAVING A FULLY-AUTOMATED SHOE-MAKING OPERATION IN BANGLADESH INSTEAD OF UTAHMANUFACTURING IS COMING BACK TO AMERICA AND YOU'LL ENJOY IT
>>60154124How do giant blanket tariffs on literally everything accomplish that?
>>60154124>GERMANY HAS A THRIVING MANUFACTURING SECTOR20% of Germany is Islamic now
>>60152765what happened to this faggot? did he finally rope
>>60153593this... everything he describes is part of the central planning going on lol
>>60152546holy frickerino I literally can't even rn
all this just for, in 10-20 years, the US to rejoin whatever reconfigured global system exists but as a shell of its former self
>>60152935>Please explain why taxing foreign labor producers is bad while taxing domestic labor producers is good. I’ll wait.Lets explain this to you so that you understand since apparently this is really really hard for you to grasp.A tariff is a tax on you, not foreign labor, they're both taxes on you and other americans.Do you understand?
>>60154466incredible you know what will happen in 20 years please tell us more
>>60154124Germany gets stuff from China though
>>60154450Updooted. I'm so heckerino'd I'm sneezing Vanilla Huel out my nose.
>>60154494One way or another, whatever protectionism Trump erects will be taken down in the future either by some ideological free trader or out of opportunism as always
>>60153333Anon shut the fuck up. We had jobs and factories until recently.
>>60154485It's only a tax on me if I pay the inflated price for foreign-made goods. Which the tariff is discouraging me from doing. It's my choice.
>>60153620You sound like a retard when you declare victory for yourself with no supporting statements.
>>60154124>GermanyThank you. Finally someone smart in this thread. You could add Switzerland and Singapore to the mix as well (they have a strong financial sector but half of their economy is manufacturing, construction, logistics and whole trade).
>>60154669>It's only a tax on me if I pay the inflated price for foreign-made goods. Which the tariff is discouraging me from doing. It's my choice.No you fucking blithering idiot. He taxed all the raw material as well, much of which is not obtainable in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6vunLJkFxk
>>60154744>He taxed all the raw material as wellI think this is one of the more baffling parts to me. Trump wants to bring manufacturing back, but doing so would mean building various different facilities such as factories and mills. Trump now has tariffs on everyone so the cost of building those facilities is just going to go up and America isn't at the point where they can supply those resources themselves.
>>60154744>much of which is not obtainable in the USIt's all here though, and now those countries can't dump their shit in our markets to force out competition, which is why their markets are collapsing so hard.
>>60154849>I think this is one of the more baffling parts to me. Trump wants to bring manufacturing back, but doing so would mean building various different facilities such as factories and mills. Trump now has tariffs on everyone so the cost of building those facilities is just going to go up and America isn't at the point where they can supply those resources themselves.He's a moron. Not a little bit stupid, not kind of under the radar. No he's out and out an actual shortbus retard.
>>60152546Assuming this is actually part of a plan, Schwab and friends will buy up cheapies and foreclosured businesses/farms/homes and amass even more power, so when the market eventually recovers we're one step closer to perfect dystopia.If not, it's a lack of tard-wranglers. When you have nobody but spineless yesmen you can make awful decisions and you'll get nothing but cheers, like with Stalin and his 5 year plans.
>>60153092dont get how people dont see this
>>60152525Its time for you magats to apologize for voting for him
>>60154651You do still have jobs and factories. They employ far fewer humans because an American working at American wages will never be cost effectively compared to an Indian or a machine. If you tariff Indian factories out of the market, they'll just automate. Those jobs aren't coming back no matter what you do.
>>60154849>the cost of building those facilities is just going to go upHow fortuitous then that interest rates are falling making it cheaper to finance the construction of those factories, energy prices are falling making it cheaper to run those factories, and the tariffs are increasing the profit potential of those factories. Truly puzzling how all this is working out.
>>60154977>SchwabHe got ousted from the WEF last week.
>>60155067No. I voted for this.
he better spend every last tariff dollar on PUMPING bitcoin
>>60153037>People voted for the guy appealing to crypto groups over the woman saying she was going to tax unrealized gainsKamala was a terrible candidate and that is the only reason he won.
>>60155096Not true. My brother works at a plant in the US, they've laid off all but a handful of people the last few weeks, the rest are supposed to be packing up equipment and documents to ship everything off to India. Heard from my brother earlier today, management sent out an email to stop what they're doing because they're re-evaluating the move.This is also illustrates why complaints about the impossibility of building new factories is overblown, factory machinery can and does get moved around the world, you just need a building to put it in and the ability to train up the locals
>>60152525>bring money into the USADoes he seriously not know that the tariff is paid by the American importer? How has no one told him this?
>>60155342There are two possible answers: He legitimately does not understand how tariffs works and does believe that the other countries are the one to pay the fee. He's acting like he doesn't understand how tariffs work so his cult continues to believe that other countries are the one paying for tariffs and not the consumer.
>>60155317We don't have the labor supply to do a ton of manufacturing here, our unemployment is low. So bringing in domestic manufacturing will optimistically be making a bunch of highly automated smart factories, pessimistically it'll be bringing in a shitton of foreigners who will have legal residency status.
>>60152888>le I took a 101 class at a neoliberal university let me tell you about economics
>>60155401>>60155342Dunning Krueger retards. Dollars net leave the country in a trade deficit and come back with a surplus. He's not saying the money collected from taxes is coming back to the US, he's saying he's shrinking the trade deficit which means dollars are flowing back.
>>60155409>We don't have the labor supplyLOL>>60155409>our unemployment is lowGIGALOLUnemployment doesn't count people not actively participating in the labor pool. The majority of your "employment" is also in make work job which is just people sucking off the money printer teet.
>>60152525Literally a mad king
>>60155505>Unemployment doesn't count people not actively participating in the labor pool.Why should I count in unemployment when I'm not participating and uninterested in participating?
>>60155533You'll be interested when the gibs dry up.
>>60152639Yeah those billionaires really got wiped out in 2008 and during the pandemic crash right :))))
>>60155409>our unemployment is lowNo it isn't. An awful lot of people have completely given up because of the lack of options and stopped looking, and aren't counted in the unemployment numbers.
>>60152594f me m8 i panic sold at 31.25 should i buy back in?
>>60155568I don't receive gibs, I just manage my money and sometimes do writing commissions. But by your standard for unemployment I should count in it.
>>60152546Trump thinks you have a deficit with the supermarket when you give them money in exchange for their product
>>60155670Your situation aside its going to get much harder for people to coast off of not being employed. There's a ton of labor supply to tap if we need to.
>>60153333>>60153367https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriksherman/2025/04/04/here-is-why-trumps-tariff-strategy-wont-return-manufacturing-jobs/>What few in the public seem to know — and many in industry and politics either don’t realize, or don’t admit — is that manufacturing didn’t disappear. Measured by production, the U.S. makes and builds things at historically high levels.So you want to de-automate domestic industry? That could be achieved without tariffs.
>>60155461Magatard effect. Countries like Vietnam can’t afford USA products. The trade deficit shrinks because Americans are unemployed and can’t buy anything.
>>60155461Nobodys gonna buy our shit like we buy shit. The whole power America has is the consumer. This isn't complicated economics. It's why we survived the crashes so much better than everyone else, insane purchasing power.I'd love to know why he thinks we need to eliminate the trade deficit. If you want to bring manufacturing to the US you need to fundamentally change the make up of labor in the US. We are essentially arguing that everyone on the world should have the same purchasing power as the US and the US should have the same cheap labor as everyone else. We shouldn't have any economic influence?
>>60155749Vietnam needs to stop "cheating" by being poor.
>>60155703>Measured by production, the U.S. makes and builds things at historically high levels.While true, that's more because we can produce things on the factory line much more effeciently and needing a lot less workers than we used to. Which yes, in terms of production that's a very good thing, but it does leave people out of work.The problem is America never at any point decided to have a backup plan, it did this and then literally nothing to transition these people into other industries.
>>60155780What’s learn to code, bro? Some people are too lazy to retrain. That’s where incels came into existence.
>>60155758Do you think purchasing power is some magical force the US has for no reason? The US has purchasing power because of the massive capital it built up after WW2. What a trade deficit is, is basically trading your capital for consumption. Its why the factories and heavy industry have left the country, its why US infrastructure is shit, its why living standard have been spiraling down, its why the military is a hollow shell of what it once was as the countries capital is being spent, and other countries develop their capital base.At this point the only thing keeping the US "purchasing power" afloat is the global military precense (which is being challenged) and the momentum of the dollar and US banking institutions being the center of global finance. This is all being challenged by countries that have developed their capital to sufficient levels to challenge the US.TLDR you can't run a trade deficit forever without BTFOing your country.
>>60155780The backup plan in my country, which is far from perfect but is at least a plan, was getting as many people as possible into higher education to bolster those industries. The alternative is getting a trade skill. Electricians, carpenters, plumbers etc are some of the richest people in the country because demand for construction is sky high.I suspect there are plenty of domestic policies like not making higher education so obscenely expensive and the lack of regulation on construction has contributed to the problems. It's truly mind boggling that rather than focus on a backup plan, Trump has decided to crash the economy to send the country back in time.
>>60155749Its about NET exports. There are still tons of countries that can and do purchase US goods. The important part of the equation right no is import substitution.
>>60155409>unemployment is lowThose are fake numbers you goofus. Look at the labor force participation rate instead.
>>60155067Most of us want to watch the world burn anyways. If he actually manages to turn things around and create a better future then it's an added bonus. Most people support/ed Trump because they didn't like the status quo.
>>60156206The future you're going to get is a socialist Marxist Leninist republic as the world hegemon. A real victory you got for yourself there chuddy.
>>60156251>why weren't you happy letting us steal you blind look what you made us dosorry not sorry. enjoy your chingchong overlords.
>>60156251As opposed to? Complete demographic replacement and 0.0 fertility rate? Let it all burn.
>>60154124The factories will just move to the 10% tariff countries retard. There's a long way to go before it starts making sense to manufacture in the US. Even a 100% tariff on everything entering the US is not enough to stop things from coming in because it's just that much cheaper.>LE GERMANY MAYMAYYeah, they make cars and industrial shit. The US already makes those too. Name one (1) object in your home that has "Made in Germany" on it.
>>60156331The Zeiss Ikon 9cmx9cm camera and Sauer 38H my grandfather took off a dead german officer.
>>60156122>Look at the labor force participation rate instead.Irrelevant, plenty of people don't work because they don't need to work.
So when do you actually stop counting as unemployed and become one of these "unemployed but not technically unemployed people"
>>60156395And you think some hillbilly in Kentucky who can barely wipe his ass make Zeiss-tier camera lenses?
>>60152525Made in America is coming back, no more slave labor retards. Build real factories, and let people build real wealth.>B-b-but I was supposed to sit at home and play with linesGet a job you bums.
>>60154716>victoryno one is gonna win this, sell Monday morning as early as you can(you dont have investments), cheap and lazy comebacks are not going to make you less poor.
Speedrun
>>60155818"learn to code" was always a meme because tech industries were never coing to West Virginia, it lacks the infrastructure needed for it as well as too small a population.
>>60152546Because he's simply playing his part as the bad guy. His role is to be unpopular and make all manner of bad decisions so that the heroic, brave [insert politician here] from the other side can rise up and defeat him. Now they have a full swing in their favour and can usher in the great reset/UN agenda 21/kalergi plan and all their other disgusting ideas for complete and utter control over everyone's lives.
>>60152546hes a narcissist, hes doing it for attention, for the sense of power and control it gives him over the worldIts like a drug for him, each time he does it he needs to do something bigger and more shocking next time to get the same narcissistic high and that's why its going to get even worse
>>60152525Watching this man's senility arc unfold has been hilarious. Is America strong enough to survive Zion Don? Probably, but it's going to be shit getting old in post-Trump Dark Ages. At least I can laugh at the stupidity of it all in the meantime.
>>60157213That's the nice thing about coding, it can be done from anywhere, so long as you have electricity. You don't even need Internet, the West virginans can mail their USB to your boss if they must.
>>60152525Nah, it’s a win with Sui, real utility, real infra. Not every move is what it seems at first glance.
>>60153333fucking BASED. god DAMN are people on this board fuckung retarded. keep slurping that /pol/ juice you centrally planned economy socialist faggots. true free market chads do not tax imports and inputs to their business.
>>60152919This. The marker is imaginary money. It's the out of control inflation shortly incoming that will cause Trump to lose power (either trade authority removed by Congress or outright couped out of office)
>>60152525When is someone gonna tell Trump that 'deficit' in the context of trade doesn't mean a bad thing.That's like looking at the physical field of electromagnetism, and concluding that positive charges are good, and negative charges are bad.It's 7hrs until US stocks are open, we still have time to warn him.
>>60160192i'm guessing it's been explained to him maybe 10 trillion times but he's too much of a dumb numbskull retard to understand.
>>60153905He's not the only person to have a problem with trade deficits, retard.
>>60160486ah yes surely he is retarded and not you. idiot
Why did the orange retard decide to end American hegemony?
>>60160581who is the new hegemon, faggot? answer
>>60160549Anon, you have a trade deficit with every store you go to. Do you think it'll be a good idea to sell $20 worth of crap to the shopowner, every time you buy $20 worth of goods from them?In order for the trade deficit to balance out, we have to sell them more stuff than they want, or they sell less than what we want.>>60160590China basically has the next best shot, and all they have to do is just fill in the void the USA left.
>>60160650>muh deficityou just think you know what you're talking about because you're a retarded parrot faggot
>>60160650>Chinayou're an idiot for thinking anything china has is real. commie-brained retard
>>60160712Just wondering, when Trump said that Vietnam has a 90% tariff with the USA, did you believe him?
>>60160732Trade-wise, who else?
>>60160536I'm a huge Buffett fan, but I'm gonna have to say he's wrong on this one. It's not really his area of expertise to begin with. In any case, his solution isn't anywhere near as moronic as what Trump put out.
>>60160732>thinking anything china has is realChina literally makes everything in the entire world you fucking retard. What they make is 1000x more real than the US fagnancial-service-information economy.
>>60160795Why is he wrong? I think his analysis is mostly correct, he just underestimated the time horizon in which other countries would continue swallowing US dollars, and also that countries would continue to swallow US dollars as long as the USD was seen as relatively more stable than other currencies.And yes Trumptards should note that Buffett proposed a solution that tried to minimize shock and dilute the pain for American citizens as much as possible. Meanwhile the Trump tariffs are going to magnify the pain by orders of magnitude due to their recklessness.
>>60160743>when Trump said that Vietnam has a 90% tariff with the USAthat's only something you are aware ofi don't give a shit
>>60160764AMERICA, retard. still the hegemon, it's not stopping. you are retarded, simply put.
>>60160907anyone can replace china and it has already been replaced. by vietnam, turkey, poland, any other fucking country that's willing to work for peanuts. get over yourself, faggot
>>60161010KEK cope you fat retard
>>60152525Why didn't he save the economy the first 4 years though if it was this simple all along?
>>60161010Oh fuck, he actually fell for it initially...
>>60161083maybe you should cope, retarded faggot. stay poor and retarded
>>60160973I'm not going to pretend to be smarter than Buffett, but I trust the economists over him on this. It seemed to me that he was conflating the budget deficit with the trade deficit. If the US didn't spend beyond its means, it wouldn't have been an issue in the first place. My opinion is pretty worthless, but Buffett's opinion on macroeconomic policy isn't exactly the gold standard either.
>>60161177All your replies are like they're from of that fat fuck that got angry for no reason in Idiocracy.
>>60161205>it is like le movie i'll keep repeating this daily i am so smartthe most tired shit i've ever seen for decades now. keep saying it
>>60161229You never did any explanation for all 9 of your replies for how we're wrong. All you say is just 'faggot' and 'retard'.It's like you actually bought the narrative that the market crashing is actually a good thing.
>>60153249If those things could be 100% automated they would already be 100% automated, moron
>>60152525Demonic forces are operating in our domain now anons, take care of those you love and live a simple life while you can it may not be long tough.
>>60153328Anyone can get into business school if there father is a billionaire you fucking moron. Trump is a nepo baby that almost bankrupted the family fortune and decided to use his wealth to become a celebrity
>>60153081Are you a fucking retard? The US can just IMPORT anything they need from other countries dueing a war, and there is nothing China can do to stop them. The US has the largest deep water navy on Earth, and the THREE largest air forces, and until NOW was friends with seven of the other top ten. You are actually a fucking retard, holy shit.
Maybe if mutts didn't buy a new phone every 3 month USA wouldn't have to import so much shit. You can't buy more and more while expecting not to end in a trade deficiency
>>60154124Germany manufactures highly advanced products like machinery or optical lenses, they don't produce t-shirts and don't have high import duties on everything, moron
>>60161442No jew, they can't, because you disgusting free trade adovcates destroyed manufacturing and the only advantage the US had that made it a superpower was not having to import anything.Tariffs are the soul of a nation, fuck you Israeli. You call someone a retard and then suggest the US can "import" things during a war. Fucking retard. Fucking hell, the type of stupidity you only see in liberal elites.
>>60161205>>60161266>>60161170>>60160743>Trump hating maggot>uses Idiocracy like a midwitTrump haters are known to be uneducated retards. Instead of making logical points, they instead use media and propaganda to make a point.Yes fucktard, idiocracy is the biggest midwit garbage out there, because that faggot cuckservative Mike Judge refuses to acknowledge racial difference and the inferiority of blacks.And you expect to be taken seriously? Hurry up and perish traitor.
>>60152888he has a degree in economics
>>60152525Wew
>>60155124>How fortuitous then that interest rates are falling making it cheaper to finance the construction of those factories, energy prices are falling making it cheaper to run those factories, and the tariffs are increasing the profit potential of those factories. Truly puzzling how all this is working out.This is happening everywhere as there is a global recession and the ROI will be higher in other places as the value of the dollar is reducing its value, import duties make all investments in the US more expensive in comparative terms and the US market is expected to shrink faster than foreign markets. Btw all these tariffs can be reverted on a whim, they are not national policy so people can simply freeze investments until the midterms or the next elections to guarantee lower costs on everything
>>60153404>REMEMBER TO READ THE WORK INSTRUCTIONS >Insert blurple into fixture y in machine z. >press button>type number on machine's display The jobs are fire, senpai. Ironically Ford assembly wagies complained about how soulless the assembly line was, it's even worse now.
>>60152546He is planning to replace progressive income taxes with regressive tariffs to benefit him and his oligarchs. Pretty smart move.
>>60155461You know those dollars always come back through the capital account surplus you fucking moron. Holy shit these MAGAtards are stupid
>>60161475>No jew, they can't, because you disgusting free trade adovcates destroyed manufacturing and the only advantage the US had that made it a superpower was not having to import anything.Oh my fucking God. You're actually serious and think that the US importing cheap goods from its allies is a bad thing, or that China possesses any ability to stop us from buying Dutch semiconductors to blow them up with. Jesus Christ, now I just feel bad.
>>60155758>The whole power America has is the consumerThis is all possible due money printing. The US inflation is not Argentina tier because you export inflation and import deflation, if it wasn't for that Americans couldn't sustain their consumption rates with a savings rate of 2%
>>60161529
>>60155882>What a trade deficit is, is basically trading your capital for consumptionThe US has a capital account surplus, it recieves capital from the deficit too moron, which is why americans can get 100M dollars of funding for any retarded idea
>>60153081If he wanted an Independent defense industry you were pretty much already there, the only problems were with some mineral import and elettronic component all of which could have been resolved pretty quickly with the right moves, what he is doing right now is complete retardation
>>60152525based af discord trannies will seethe unironically
>>60152525>Buy a cheeseburger at McDonald because i want a cheeseburger>I am not in a "trade deficit"
America wonSeethe
BTw why doesn't he fix the federal deficit before doing all of these? Most of the trade deficit is due overconsumption that can be pretty much solved by reducing the 10% of GDP federal deficit. Something as simple as a European style VAT (most consumption in the US is done by the top 10%) would have fix all these issues quite easily with 1% of the pain of these retarded tariffs
>>60161358>Trump is a nepo baby that almost bankrupted the family fortuneThat's not correct, Trump was never personally on hook for any of his businesses. What he did though, was bankrupt six commercial enterprises, mostly casinos, while siphoning a fuckload of money from them to his private accounts, repeatedly fucking over both shareholders and contractors working on them. He is actually on record saying that he has gamed bankruptcy laws and made a load of money doing it. He's now doing the same on a macro scale to United States of America.
>>60155694jej
>>60161475>You call someone a retard and then suggest the US can "import" things during a war.The US was shipping things left and right during WW2
aahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>60153620oh yeah? If all those experts know how economics work why is the word economy in the shitter since 2008? Get fucked
>>60153081>Vietnam is a hard ally of the United States>A "Comprehensive Strategic Partnership", which is the highest tier in Vietnam’s diplomatic hierarchy>Vietnam's government and citizens have a surprisingly very positive opinion on the USA>Very useful allies to have, since they are bordered with our rival China>Throw all that out the window, in the name of "national security">>60161530>>60153328>Economic degree in some super elite school>STILL failed and bankrupted on making a casino, multiple times
>>60161755The budget deficit is a function of the trade deficit LOL read about sectoral balances
>>60152546Why did Gorbachev and Yeltsin destroy the USSR?
>>60161932They literally pointed out for years that speculation on the real estate market and frankly retarded loan policies from banks was creating a bubble. The exact same kind that happened to Japan in the 80s.
>>60161932Because economists don't decide policy, jews do
>>60154124The US already has a bigger manufacturing sector than Germany. You people just don't know anything
>>60161973>The budget deficit is a function of the trade deficit LOL read about sectoral balancesBoth are related, if you reduce the federal deficit with just a simple VAT the US trade deficit would shrink as well, it is not hard to get
>>60162259>The US already has a bigger manufacturing sector than GermanyKek, the US has 4 times the population of Germany and 1/2 of the manufacturing output (which is also inflated by higher consumer prices in pharma and food so the output in real terms is even smaller than that)
>>60152961just google it, it's totally cool.
>>60162378The US has 3 times the manufacturing output of Germany. Trumptard
>>60152607
My fellow patriotsAs you are losing your savings, 401k and job, please consider that trannies and leftists are also losing money therefore we are winning.WWG1WGA
>>60162367Wrong, it will probably just reduce the tax take elsewhere and act as a brake on the economy. Governments can't just dictate what their deficit will be, it's just the sum of all economic activity.
>>60162511>Governments can't just dictate what their deficit will be, it's just the sum of all economic activityThis must be the most retarded thing that anyone has ever said
https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2025/fiscal-and-exchange-rate-policy-not-tariffs-can-reduce-trade-deficit
>>60162367You don't want to stop running a government deficit when you're already running a trade deficit.
>>60162570>You don't want to stop running a government deficit when you're already running a trade deficit.The US has a problem with inflation which is caused mostly due overconsumption and an overheated economy. Shrinking the deficit is a deflationary measure that would reduce both the deficit of the goverment and the current account deficit. The main issue of the US is that the economic recovery of 2008 was built on a faulty bases of higher debt growth than economic growth
>>60161800You need to prove your premise schlomo, how does Trump make money in this situation?
>>60162652>The main issue of the US is that the economic recovery of 2008 was built on a faulty bases of higher debt growth than economic growthThis has been the story since the 80s except for Clinton, and that was because of stagflation which Nixon caused when he broke Bretton Woods
>>60153634time to wake up
>>60161041let's see Turkey build EV's
>>60152525Not selling my Peaq and SLC anytime soon, Anon. DePIN is gonna be fucking massive this decade.
>>60153693Whoa! Was that a caps lock? I'll make sure to take you seriously from here on out
>>60154849>building those facilities is just going to go upNot if you buy from American companies
>>60162491>it's all about meeeeeeenot anymore, faggot. we're making america great again, with or without you. preferably without you, but that's your choice, really.
>>60162172google prominent economists and give me the top ten results and give me the ratio of jews i dare you
>>60153328>“Professor Kelley told me 100 times over three decades that ‘Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had,'”
>>60152807volatility index, higher number means markets are pumping, dumping, or whipsawing in the recent past
>>60152546>>60152525>t. jews. Jew cries in pain when he hears the word "taxes" . >tarriffs are taxes on foreign corporations >and on jews that avoid taxes via various international tax avoidance schemes.
>>60152639>>60152765Look, I found some billioniers and oligarchs , most of those vote for Democrats for some reason. https://forbes.co.il/e/rankings/2022-jewish-billionaires/
>>60166376Because they know Donald-kun is so generous, he even does executive orders favoring his non-voters(only jews). so kawaii ⸜(｡˃ ᵕ ˂ )⸝https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/01/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-takes-forceful-and-unprecedented-steps-to-combat-anti-semitism/
>>60161041it would take a decade for China to be replaced due to the sheer cost of industry they provide. Comparatively it wouldn't take long at all for the USA to be replaced by China.
>>60161725You objectively lost some money to mcdonalds, you are in a trade deficit.
>>60152525>time to sell low!>then buy it back when it went high again!
>>>>60154055>you pay for itAgain, the location of taxation has little effect on who eats the cost. Tariffs will be passed on as much as possible, just as corporate taxes, sales taxes, income taxes and payroll taxes are passed through as much as possible. Key words there: as much as possible. In a market with elasticity SOME of any tax will come from pinched margins, and in the case of tariffs some of the cost will also be eaten by foreign debasement. Over 80% of us gov tax revenue comes from taxes on labor producers (income, payroll taxes), whose margins are currently being pinched? >it's notYet you support keeping +80% of the tax burden aimed at American labor producers. Keeping total tax burden fixed, explain your opposition to normalizing tax rates such that domestic labor producers are no longer at such a steep tax disadvantage
>>60162652Does the US have an actual problem with inflation or does is have inflation higher than it would currently like with exceptionally poor distribution of wealth?When you are already running a trade deficit, the only place a government surplus can come from is the private sector. This is how you get the 1929 crash and the dot-com crash.
>>60152525who the fuck told this boomer about trade deficits. he's completely mind broken over something meaningless
>>60161755Congress has already granted the US president broad powers to tariff, the president doesn’t have the authority to install a VAT unilaterally. The net effect of these tariffs are little different than a sales tax on imports so it’s a moot point
>>60152546He's simply a low IQ narcissist. Very charismatic though, which is how he amassed an army of equally or even more so retarded minions to do his bidding.
>>60152546Economically illiterate, severly retarded, surrounded only by yes-men
>>60154977In defence of Stalin, he did actually succeed in industrializing Russia fast. At the cost of something like 15 million dead. But his policies did achieve what he wanted.
>>60152546>Why is he burning everything to the groundNetanyahu wants him to>They criticize Israel committing war crimes? Crash their economy :^)
>>60152525>yes tariffs are so beautiful. Meemaw said so
>>60155187>>60156206>why yes I voted for this. How did you know?
>>60154863Coffee, bananas, vanilla, spices, tea, all kinds of exotic fruits, etc CANNOT grow in the US climate. The chemical and rare earth refining industries that are at the base of the production chain for a lot of advanced goods are so disgustingly polluting you wouldnt want to make them in the USA. Stop pretending full Autarky is achievable or even desirable.
>>60152546He's compromised. If you were a foreign asset and your job was to fuck up the country, what would you do? You'd ruin the economy, ruin relationships with other nations, start shit with your neighbors, and concede ground to your enemies. All things he's done.
If you didn't sell when he was talking about annexing canada and greenland with the tariff talk at that time idk what to tell you. There were 1000 warnings before that but ignoring the last few weeks is insane.The libtard (me) wins again.
>>60152546to trigger the libs
>>60152525retail buyers desperate to get in on a dip are going to lose so much money. mostly likely won't live to see any return.
>sell when you're down you 4chan racists! Jews will rule the world!Kill yourself
>>60171369How about you first stop pretending it's not. The US isn't 1930's Germany, and I'm tired of humoring retards who pretend it is.
>>60172781aww it's baby's first market correction. how cute.
>>60169737What's stopping the rest of the world from forming a trade coalition excluding the united states? They're already moving towards this goal it seems.
>>60152525hes doubling down, so yep this is only going to get worse
>>60171427Don't forget to also dismantle the government and ignore court orders.
>>60175996>embargo the largest economy on earth because of a 10% sales taxSmart.
>>60170005I've been wondering that too. Where did he get addicted to this idea from
>>60152639They're retards too, through just been gaslit by epic meritocracy memes into thinking they aren't.
>>60153649>those jobs are NEVER i repeat NEVER coming back, any manufacturing coming to the us in the future will be heavily automated and any new jobs from it will require higher education.Honestly besset was on TV Friday/Sunday talking about how jobs will come back but also be heavily automated. Which means three people overseeing machines, not widespread employment. But of course he's lying as he breathes, just playing defense for this thing he's been handed. They've been insisting these tariffs are both to raise money and to encourage onshoring, two mutually exclusive goals. It's all things to all people, however they think to defend it at this very moment.
>>60152525why is this orange dumbfuck so obsessed with bring manufacturing back to america when the infrastructure and industry in shit to manufacture everything in america instead of other countries that already can do it do not exist in america and would take many years to create?
>>60152546How much more and longer must it be before americans realize that he is just fucking stupid and so are all of his supporters? Trying to attribute order and some kind of hidden plan to all of his bullshit like tariffs is like superstition and magical thinking
>>60153116>Gas lighting about egg pricesEvery accusation is a confession with these people.
>>60152546You want the slow decay of the western world you cuck? Let the orange man destroy the whole rotten system, go trump!
>>60179399You mean to tell me people who pray cancer away and believe funding billionaires but not their own kids is a ticket to heaven are a superstitious lot?
>>60152546no one their to tell him no
>>60177244Revenue, not an increase in net revenue. Tax cuts are being offset by tariffs.
If everyone is stealing from the USA then why is the USA so much richer than everyone else?
>>60177244>two mutually exclusive goalsIncorrect. See: >>60169737
>>60155461Trade deficit doesn't mean shit retardIf I go to a store and buy a can of coke. I don't have to sell the store a can of pepsi to be even.(The money might come back to me through indirect means ex. I work for an insurance agency that covers one of their suppliers for workplace injuries. They have to pay their supplier, their supplier has to pay insurance premiums.)
>>60153081This and only this.>>60161442No they can't. Are you stupid to remember the COVID supply chain crunch just a few years ago? How'd that work out dipshit?
>>60179359Because of national security.
>>60154350Muslims are <5%, most of them don't even pray 5 times a day (so Muslims in name only, apostates according to Islamic law). this information is a web search away, nigger
>>60181351It's not much of a tax cut if you're being taxed the same amount on consumption, is it
>>60152525I didn't vote for this, but I'm glad it's happening.
>>60155305it's almost funny how the entire shitshow can easily be blamed on bidengood job, grandpa. sure was worth trying for the second term
>>60184207brother trump literally crashed the US economy for funsies, he did not need to do this
>>60184207>Acktually it's your fault for me voting for a retard???I didn't vote so in equally complicit but there's no need to shift blame to the opposition when Trump was lying left right and center with oppositional viewpoints that never made sense together.
>>60184293exactly, how the fuck is this guy blaming his own mental retardation on biden lol
>>60153112Looking at the highest tariffs countries I think Trump really wants to get back the Lesotho diamond mining jobs and the Cambodian sweater knitting jobs for Americans. Of course as the EU and others will target Facebook, x, Microsoft and google revenues which come from their populations the US will likely lose a bunch of tech jobs. But that is a trade that Trump is willing to take. I am sure the Americans that will lose tech jobs can find fulfilling employment pouring molten aluminum at a foundry or at new local knitting and leather stitching factory, maybe assembling toys at a production line or milking cows for replacements for Italian and french cheeses.
>>60152525how are they bringing billions of dollars into the USA is he retarded?US importers are paying the tariffs
>>60184424They're going to bring billions dollars into the US federal government from the US population.
>not even israel managed to get rid of their tariffsit's fucking OVER
Every day that passes I'm convinced the hand of the free market, left alone, would govern the economy passively better than any country or politician. I'm not saying it would be good, but it'd be better, at least.
>>60152639Yeah, those billionaires wont be able to buy expensive cars anymore
>>60184766A HUGE WIN
>>60155305Democrats didn't even want to win. If you want to win you put a white man as a candidate, everyone knows that. Certainly not a mystery meat woman.
Trump is out here destroying the country and miggers still believe in the deep state.
>>60185564You know, in a way Trump's presidency has really restored my faith in American democracy. I thought it was all being controlled from the shadows by the military industrial complex, but no, apparently the president always had the power to just crash the economy if he felt like it.
>>60184807You could leave it alone and it'd be fine.
>>60183435See: >>60169737Labor producers (workers) currently shoulder almost the entire tax burden which can only translate into slimmer margins for these economic actors. Normalizing taxes is an effective tax cut for American workers even if total tax burden is kept constant.
>>60184807Republicans thought this too until the orange retard showed up. Now I guess I’m an independent? Or, God help me, a libertarian.
>>60184807Obviously. State is fundamentally incapable of productive action, however, normalizing taxes is still better than continuing to near-exclusively tax workers as uneven taxation distorts the economy more than more consistent taxation. Also, replacing some extant taxes with tariffs makes it more difficult for future administrations to raise the total tax burden
