What if his plan actually works?
>>60156092Any retard can see he's ushering in the great reset
>>60156092would be pretty based to be quite desu with you
>>60156092you remember that crazy swe run in 2021-2022 yeah im thinking that except real jobs
>>60156092it'd be good, except people that's about to retire now or within the next decade will be fucked biggly during the transition. Not that matters to anyone of us here I assume.
I'd be relieved 2bhthis little stunt is going to make it harder to buy a house for atleast the next 5 years, I had to re-evaluate my position
>tariffs go down to pre Trump rates >Trump claims this as an epic win while his cultists eat the copium up
Everyone mocked the Kims for the mass starvation in North Korea in the 1990s and early 2000s. But that was a small sacrifice for the extreme prosperity of Juche Korea today.
things will be much better.people underestimate the impacts of our entire economic/financial system being a jewish scam
>>60156092his plan working means decimating the USD and laying off white collar workers to be wageslaves in sweatshops
>>60156092I mean that'd be great, I'd wipe away some sweat and breathe a sigh of relief, but kinda feels like a longshot at this point. And the thing about longshots is they have a low success rate, if it was just a simple "do this one trick and it works EVERY TIME" then we'd do it more often
>>60156092First, define what "works" even means. The goal itself of impoverishing Americans to the point they have to work in sweatshops making t-shirts for other countries seems like a failure. And if it doesn't work then you start a dark ages of economic collapse.
>>60156092He will go down as a top 5 president, probably top 3
>>60156092What is his plan? They can't decide if this is a negotiating tactic to get better deals or a permanent strategy to collect revenue and build iphone factories in Gary, Indiana.
>>60156281History will not be kind to this fucking retard
>>60156092What plan? Bring back jobs here? Lutnick said any jobs coming back would be automated robots. Oh wait you actually thought we’d be making shoes and hand stitching jeans, you retard? Besides it’s not like companies will automatically be bringing manufacturing back to the USA and everyone will have jobs tomorrow. Maggots are beyond retarded. You just got duped into helping him crater the economy so his crony friends can pick up the pieces in ai and crypto. It’ll be like 2008. Fuck everyone into oblivion, give a few crumbs back to workers while funneling trillions to his billionaire buddies, and say everything is back to normal even tho record numbers are no longer working due to ai displacement.
>>60156326cope
>>60156092It was tried already and it didn't work.The ONLY way this possibly could have worked out is if Trump only used the tariffs to negotiate, and even then it's not certain he would have succeeded.
>>60156399>onceTWICE
what plan?
What if you’re not a disappointing failure? I believe it when I fucking see it.
>>60156278We will all be ranchers like that show, Yellowstone, or land men, like in Landman
It has to succeed, failure is not an option.
>>60156447of course failure is an option you retard, even rome failed
>>60156092>What if me slamming my dick on a car door works
>>60156092And that plan would be?
>>60156170>real jobs is Chinese sweatshop factory workHmmmmmmm
It would fit the pattern where he fails upwards by repeatedly scamming people and declaring bankruptcy so he can scam them some more. But he relied on the US government to bail him out and how he IS the government.
>>60156437All the countries with net trade surpluses are poorer than us... Why the fuck would us copying them make us richer?
>>60156092the plan won't work cuz its a jew shamddump is the pawn puppeted by its jew master to destroy crypto before it destroy the fedsmost murican will be much poorer at the end its expected cuz tariff money will most goto jews and niggers and others will only get penny changesbasically donald dump is a scam con artist for the jews and its pet niggers
>>60156743Juche, duh.
>>60156092Every economic book of the past century needs to be rewritten
>>60156092China will be known as a bitch ass niggaa and lose support worldwide and will have to go to outright war with the US. Based first black president Trump
>We want to be North Korea!
>>60156850Ah of course, JDPON Don is delivering the dream
>>60156092"Shoving a steel beam down your urethra seems like a bad idea""But bro what if it works bro just imagine bro"
>>60156092This is the planWhat you see is what you get
Best case scenario, I get to give up my cushy tech job to slave away at factory at Vietnamese wages.
>>60156850Yeah to the Communist manifesto.>>60156991Kek this. A giant Karl Marx statue on capital hill in our lifetimes is coming
>>60156092With everything he's somehow survived over the past few years, I'm finding it hard to doubt him on anything.
>>60157334I mean he kinda got lucky. Won 2016 by like <10k votes in battlegrounds. Covid bailed him out of the blame for the 2019 financial issues brewing. Biden delayed his prosecutions thinking people would move on. Bullet missed blowing his brains out by a half inch. 2024 was pretty close too, even after all the fuck up on the democrat's side, if they did any number of things right Trump would have lost. This timeline we're in is actually pretty really alt.
the only way it works is ifyou have a population of bugs who don't mind working like slaves for low wagesyou have to force the world to buy your productsthe reason people outsource to china isn't because of the wages anymore, if that were true you'd see a lot more production in africa or india
>>60156338Clothing is actually one of the few things that can't be fully automated. Crochet in particular can't be done by machine AT ALL, and that's pretty popular right now
>>60156548theyre only sweatshops because they're in china
>>60156464>Greek helm>RomeLol, lmao
>>60156092you wont find a single economist on earth who sees a positive outcome of what he's doing
>>60156092Trump's plan is definitely going to work. The inflated stock market is a primary driver of US inflation. With the market deflated prices will go down because there will be less funny money chasing goods around.
>>60157941>The inflated stock market is a primary driver of US inflation.No I'm pretty sure it was printing out money in order to deficit spend
>>60156092What plan? What coherent plan does he have? Tariff everyone and that will fix everything is not a plan.
>>60157941>this is the average trump voter
>>60156092its so crazy it just might work
>>60157913Good. I don't trust people who want to support a system that functions based on lies.
>>60156338>so his crony friends can pick up the pieces in ai and crypto.So now you know the plan. You can do it too!
>>60156548liberals keep saying this. the working economy was doordash, amazon, and being a clerical office karen.
>>60158054There is barely any real work left. Should've embraced YANG so we could get UBI.
>>60158054>doordash,amazonThat's the non US citizen immigrant economy >clerical office karenYes and it beat sweatshop work All of these do really so I don't see the point int he first place
>>60156092Like in a positive way? Like we all become rich somehow? That would be cool. Kind of like what if Santa was real. No downside.
>>60156092we still have a debt and monetary crisis regardless. tariffs won't help either of these things.
>>60156092What is his plan? If it's to bring back manufacturing then it won't.
if his plan works, then it would rewrite the last 100 years of economic theory.
>>60158293Not true. He could crash the economy and the currency hard enough that it's cheaper to use US labor than Chinese labor.
what is his plan
>>60157976>doesn’t refute it
>>60157911Greece fell as well... multiple times.
>>60156338>You just got duped into helping him crater the economy so his crony friends can pick up the pieces in ai and crypto.Yes exactly. I'm slurping the dipperino and Drumpfler is going to gigapump my bags and I will makeit while you seethe.
It literally will work. The Fed will drop rates to near zero again like during COVID and the market will recover dramatically.
>>60158425dropping rates will just reignite inflation, which will force them to print more money because no one will want to buy our Tbills. and then we have hyperinflation.they also can't raise rates more (even though they need to) because then our banks start failing.there is no good end to any of this
>>60158425So we will devalue the currency again and have another round of inflation?
>>60158446>>60158449Yes because inflation is still preferable to mass unemployment and a depression. Powell has already said that he will lower rates drastically if it meant stopping mass unemployment.
>>60158241>Ohh no I'm so afraid of actually working in order to produce goods why can't we just use Winnie the poohs slave labor to devalue the dollar even more? I just meant to be entitled and lazy omg
>>60156092>his planThis is the rat actually running things
>>60158473He said the opposite a day ago liar. He's calling Trump's retard bluff.
>>60158473But I mean is that Trump's plan working? How is that an improvement over the economy of fall of 2024?>>60158487>not wanting to have to work more to consume less is badFucking kek.
>>60156132Hes resetting the great reset. You vill no longer eat zee bugs.
>>60158446>dropping rates will just reignite inflation, which will force them to print more money because no one will want to buy our Tbills. and then we have hyperinflation.That's unironically what DOGE is for. No need to print six gorillion dollars and deficit spend if the bureaucrat jews have been expunged. Just enough stimulus is needed to help the real economy to start expanding again, which should kick off a virtuous cycle and take us to the next top of the business cycle.
>>60156092What “plan”? His own administration can’t agree what the “plan” even is
>>60158520You will eat American bugs. USDA approved organic. Live in a Tesla Giga POD.
>>60157532He is blessed by God
>>60158509the fed balances unemployment and inflation. of course they would lower rates to stimulate the economy so that jobs can be maintained. he's waiting to see what will happen. this is basic fed stuff.
>>60156092There is no plan.There are only impulsive decisions and, "vibes".There's that meme that's been floating around for ages>Hard Times create Strong Men>Strong Men create Good Times>Good Times create Weak Men>Weak Men created Hard TimesThe people at the top believe themselves to be Strong Men, because of course, what else could they believe? Thus, they believe we are in Weak Times, they will pull us out into Good TimesThe truth is of course, that this cycle is bullshit, and you can't reduce human history to 20 words across 4 lines, but hey.If you believe that this cycle thing is real, consider the horrible, horrible truth[spoiler]We are in Good Times[/spoiler][spoiler]The people voted in charge of America are Weak Men[/spoiler][spoiler]They have it all wrong[/spoiler]
>>60158540Even if DOGE has actually saved the $140B they claim to have saved that is not enough to stimulate a $15,000B economy.
>>60156092It's not going to work anymore than pretending to be masculine is going to get (You) a gf. It's fundamentally stupid, and you're fundamentally gay.
>>60158520Lots of beef and rice, also veggies, we export a lot of veggies too. That's going on my plate. >Whats for dinner, hun>Literally everything. >Great, what are the kids doing? They better not be on that tiktok>They're studying mathematics and calculating ways to improve their cardio for the charity race on saturday. Also little Timmy made a graphene battery in science class today >Fantastic, let's have three more white children of god
>>60158487You are either a directly descended from the top slaveowner during the Atlantic trade, or you deserve the biggest "goodest goy" award in history. Either way I talked to a historical person.
Anyone else here gay?
>>60158665OP, as always.
>>60156170You know Trump's base is retarded because they keep begging him for labor jobs that are never going to pay over $20/hour instead of, say, making college affordable so that they can get a real six figure office job.
>>60158624>Slave owner>Good goy awardsIs that really the best rebuttal you have when it's Jews who sold out our working class and demoralized men and women to not have families, in order to kalergi plan the white population? You're projecting through a hooked nose lighthouse
>>60158761You wanna talk about kalergi plans? This whole ploy is a Trump helping a direct transfer of wealth from the working class 401k and retirement into the hands of wall street Jews. I guess you didn't expect to be called out but your hope is literally that whites, along with everyone who isn't one of the tribe1. Lose their jobs2. Lose their money3. Lose any level of comfort whatsoever 4. Get sent to work in sweatshops producing trinkets for the only ones left that can afford anything that's not a basic necessity, till they drop dead You're trying to spin previous economic success and financial freedom as demoralization, and this disaster as the antidote? Well I guess people are gonna be having a lot more children when we regress to 3rd world levels of economy to help out at the beloved fucking factories
>>60158722That's the unsustainable thinking that got us here. We HAVE to have a large a thriving middle class in order to be sustainable. There is no other way, fucking retarded retard of all retards.
>>60156207Kek, this.
>>60156195>this little stunt is going to make it harder to buy a house for atleast the next 5 years, I had to re-evaluate my positionlower interest rates will help for surethough inflation on materials used to make homes won't helphopefully most of the increased cost will be eaten by the other country, and some of it will beif we see a 10% tariff as a baseline, and some of that gets eaten by the other countries, and reduced interest rates, you might actually be slightly ahead for buying a home
>>60156253>his plan working means decimating the USD and laying off white collar workers to be wageslaves in sweatshopsfeds previously making 100k a year with full benefits, have to work in sweatshops now? basedTHAT is the economic redistribution I voted for
a new ageold men warning warning
>>60156850
>>60156092>What if his plan actually works?Trumps plan CAN work, but it's not going to happen overnight. Only way it works is if his policies regarding tariffs are implemented in the next 2-3 presidential administrations at a minimum. It's going to be hard. If we cease to be a democracy/republic and have an authoritarian take-over and one-party rule for the next 20-30 years...then it is possible the plan actually works. Industrialization in the 1800s was a multi-decade long process. De-industrialization in the latter 20th century was also a 30-50 year process. Re-industrialization will not happen in 4 years, it will take decades. The American public does not possess long-term wisdom. If living conditions are worse in 2026 and 2028, Republicans will lose and Dems will reign supreme and then reverse all of Trump's policies and make us a faggot debt-financed state once again. If that happens we will enter permanent bitch-mode and China will be guaranteed to dominate the future. It's going to be really hard, but at this point we better hope our tech elites just rig the elections for Republicans for the next few elections. Otherwise we're probably fucked
>>60156092Yes, you will own nothing and be happy.
>>60160821>If we cease to be a democracy/republic and have an authoritarian take-over and one-party rule>If
>>60156092Wtf do you mean "if" lmao
i hope so i wanna buy 4 usd t shirts made in usa
>>60156092Kek
>>60156092What plan?
>>60158601THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP!
i am happy he's destroying the boomer world orderthese piece of shits have lived too long in prosperity.Be honest, who even here has invested in the stock market? Literally no one under 30 has even enough fun-money to invest, its all just fucking boomers who are complaining
>>60156092Every plan he could have has been SCUPPERED with trillions vanishing from the economy no plan is this retarded in it's start no matter what your IQ if you don't have a solid grasp on the foundations of economics ( which trump does not he hired people that were then leech'd off of that for decades) it's doomed to fail from the start.
>>60156399Or if he hadn't gone full retarded and tariffed specific products instead of literally everything.
>>60160821You mean like how Biden lifted the sanctions on China? Oh wait he doubled down, didn't he?
Amerimutttsssssssssss are going to be poooor ahahahahaaaha
>>60160821you are so fucking retarded that its endearing. no matter how hard china works, they can not surpass the usa so long as their labor pays for the usa's military might. they fund and build our military from money we print from thin air. its a flywheel that only widens the wealth and power gap the longer it goes on. the second they stop 99% of their industry becomes just as untenable as the rust belt's.
>>60160998I'm 22 and had $5000 in the stock market off of $3600 a year ago. I might get sent back to the start if I don't pull out at market open. Trump can gargle my scrotum.
>>60161086This lol. The US is the consumer market that moves the world.
>>60161086>power gapChina went from Indian tier shithole to directly competing with USA. You need to stop coping muttboy
>Trump voters before election: "Vote Trump or we getting a 1929 depression">Trump voters after election: "a 1929 depression was always part of the plan"Two more weeks
>>60161122Losing money is actually good
>>60161101get fucked nigger5000 is literally nothing, you thought you'd be smart but got fucked, i hope this was a lesson you retard
>>60161136>>60161122no one of us had money in the first place, who gives a fuck if some richfags lose money? Fuck them all, they can all get under the guillotine, don't even get started about these muh 401k faggots, who even under 25 has enough money to save anything? it's all just jews and trust fund kids who are complaining
>>60161141>>60161157Back to driving your truck migamutt
>>60161169tell us how you saved enough money to invest enough in the stock market? i am waitingliterally no one in my age bracket even THINKS about investing, we're all just busy paying bills and living paycheck to paycheck you dumb nigger
>>60156092Whats his plan again? to bring back manufacturing jobs? or art of the deal?
>>60156253This. Mutts expecting $60k starting for being a barista are begging for the $20k salaries the entire rest of the planet has.
>>60161201lower inflation, abolish consumer tax>>60161225you're dumb as shit, tell me where baristas are paying 60k in the US, I'm waitingAverage american makes 30k and has less than $1000 in the savings accountYou thirdies are dumb as shit
>>60161187Lots of us made money during shitcoin peak era. And its not only about stocks, crypto is crashing too.
>>60161201"Look, they got them up. I'd like to bring them down. It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard. But I think that they will."
>>60161247>lot of usnoand only the lucky ones. is that sustainable? You're telling me the only way for poorfags to make it so pray to god and be one of the 0.000383% to make it with shitcoins?
>>60161269Make money in shitcoins, buy stable coins and wait. Lots of zoomzooms made easy 6 figures here. Some by rugpulling and others by lucky shots.
US led the change of the world economic order in it's favour twice before when it had the might to do so. Now it's trying to do it a third time but the difference now is that it no longer has the economic deminance in world trade it did the previous two times. This whole thing could have worked in it's favour had it bought on board it's traditional allies like it did last time but cutting out the EU and Japan has put the US in a weak isolationist position against the rest of the world, which isn't going to just sit back and allow it's economies to weaken so that America's can prosper. Trade deals will be made to navigate around the tarrifs, emerging economies will try to strengthen their position in global trade while the US sits in the sidelines demanding everyone to bend the knee. Truth is America overplayed it's cards and overestimated it's global economic dominance. We no no longer live in the 50s or 80s. Global trade is much more diversified now and things are not going to work so well in America's favour
>>60161294easier said than done, its all just about luck, i've lost like 2k with shitcoins
>>60161246>You thirdies are dumb as shit>>60161187>Waaah why cant I pay my bills D: i cant save money waaaah daddy trump destroy the heckin evil boomerinos!!You're living a third world life in a first world country because you're so fucking incompetent, and the best you can do is hope that Trump fucks the rest of us over. Sad!
>>60161246He didn't say 60k is what they get paid, he said that's the expectation of many, amerimutts don't have a grasp of their own native language, what a retarded nation lmao
>>60161324>>60161375who gives a fuckfor us poorfags this is the perfect opportunity to get a bit money because we can finally buy in
>>60161329I made around $11k tracking down bunch of rugpullers. They launched projects kept it up for a while they were 4-5 dudes shilling, promoting, VC calls and stuff. I used to track down profits sent to addresses and when they used this money to buy into newly created coin I would buy in like them. Took them a while to realize it kek.
>>60161375also, most americans make like $ 30k-$ 35k. You're telling me we were able to buy in before? You're delulu and live in fantasyland
>>60161431smart afwhich tools you used to track their steps?
>>60156850>Every economic book of the past century needs to be rewrittenSo what you're saying is long book publishers?
>>60161389you're disingenuous because already no one in the US who applies for a barista position expects to make 60k to begin with, so his point was moot
>>60160998>Literally no one under 30 has money>>60161157>who even under 25 has enough money>>60161329Oh you're just a salty fucking idiot that bought catfartcoin and got your money taken. Setting aside that there's literally like two generations of people in-between under 25 and boomers, that are getting fucked over, it's still having repercussions that will hurt everyone. >>60161394You just said you didn't have any fucking money you fucking idiot. Fuck you're retarded. This literally helps no one.Except for ironically rich people like warren buffet who always have cash to buy and who took his money out on February and has a 300 billion cash pile to buy up everything and consolidate even more of the wealth.
>>60161463It was on BSC. I didn't use any tools I was just following addresses they sent their rugged money. One of them created coin dropped the addy and the rest of those retards bought it but also made it organic. Like different multiple buys $100 $200 $300 and I had all of their wallets. I would just blend in wit them with similar buy. They couldn't realize who was that extra buys.
>>60161482Oh i get it, you live in a bubble, everyone i know lives paycheck to paycheck> it's still having repercussions that will hurt everyone.how does any of what's happening have repercussions to me? I was poor, am poor and will stay poor. How do tarrifs impact my life? I've never bought anything to import from overseasOnly richfags or pretend-tobe richfaggots who think they'll make it are mad af right now. And i say good, get fucked
>>60161443>also, most americans make like $ 30k-$ 35kThe median salary is like 60k Even the median for worker that didn't finish highschool is over 35kHoly fucking shit it can't even be possible to be this retarded
>>60161394Guys, maybe declaring trade war against the entire world, allies included, is actually retarded, crazy right ? Who could have guessed
>>60161482Warren Buffet has been sitting on cash for a long before it even looked like Trump was going to win the election.
>>60161543yeah bro, just make $60k out of graduation, it's that easy, just shake some hands like your boomer parents didFuck you
>>60161122Stock market isn't real retard and besides you don't need the latest iphone or nintendo
>>60161559I know, I said that all rich people are sitting on cash at all times pretty much and are always ready to buy. But he also specifically pulled out last month and has A LOT extra to buy now.
>>60161558why did our allies have Tariffs imposed on us to begin with? Huh?
Oh it's working alright, just not for you
>>60156092it won't worki'm always wrong
>>60161543>doesn't understand median>calls others retardedmany such cases
>>60161516insane, fuck the rugpullers, probably jeets
>>60160202the real question is what will be the impact to jobs?>>60156204surprisingly he seems to be holding strong even though he has flipflopped on everything else so far this term
>>60160998i'm 30 and have about 50k investeddown to 40k with the tariffsa small sacrifice if it brings back manufacturing and gives us independence from chyna
>>60161624You don't understand median you fucking jackassHint: it's not mean you fuckhead. You're trying to parrot some talking point you never even began to understand
>>60161658how were you able to save 50k?
>>60161086>>60160821>>60161324You lot don't understand that all of this is for the EU to bend the knee and force China to revalue it's currency and reduce the debt obligations on the US. Japan and most of East Asia have already folded, EU will fold by Tuesday because they cannot let their boomer stocks dip to low as they have huge pensions to pay. As deals will be made China will be left holding the bag with huge exports that they can't divert to EU or Asia as none of these countries want to be dumping grounds for Chinese exports. They all know China has been artificially devaluing it's currency before Covid and finally listen you retards, American markets will close up tomorrow.
>>60161596Yeah and if the rich have all this capital on the sidelines ready to deploy then the market will stabilize. It sucks that they are able to take advantage of the situation more than the common person but the game is rigged in their favor no matter what. Retail investors can only do the best they can and that's not panic sell like a retard at the bottom then buy back in after the market rally.
Someone tell me when to start buying.
>>60161717why can't wej just force them at gunpoint to not take advantage? Maybe communism wasn't that bad
>>60161694worked while living with my parents for 2 years saving everythingi had 150k saved up but bought a house last year
>>60156092Only if he installs himself as an autocrat.Plans like this don't work in democracies because the short term pain hands the political power back to the other side during the next election, the term limits are simply too short to pull something like this off.You won't manage to move all the manufacturing that was offshored over decades back into the country within just ~3 years
>>60161757insane wtf
>>60156092I don't think he has a plan
>>60158053I'll average down once the EU has decided how to respond I guess
>>60161736Late stage communism suffers from the same exact accumulation of assets and power at the top. It's achieved through the state security apparatus instead of markets though. We're not ones who would get a seaside villa in a communist society.
>>60161809zero debt is the keybought 2 cars cash, pay off all CC debt every month
>>60158054>the working economy was non-tradeable services and comfortable high-level workoh noes?
>>60161821i don't want a seaside villa, i just want a normal home to create a family, instead i have to wageslave and be happy in a shoebox sized studio flat
>>60161809I did the same, it's pretty easy to save up money if you have basically no expenses.I have about 120k in fairly liquid money and 50k (now closer to 40k) in stonks.I'm not a burger though, so I can't even hope to profit from any of this. My stock market losses are just losses I will have to eat I guess (or hope that they recover over the next decade).I lost more money in the last 10 days than I spent on my hobbies over the last 10 years.
>>60158487>why are you so greedy and want the best for yourself instead of working for the motherland, comrade?
>>60161856holy shit, that sucks
>>60159004The type of shitty manufacturing work you eant to bring back is not middle class you fucking retard
>>60161843I'm just saying we'd be wageslaving and living in a shoebox flat also in communism.
>>60161941so nothing different for me then? But add in lynching of billionaires? Count me in immediatelyI'd volunteer for the firing squad
>>60161914kinda, yeah. the whole plan was to live very frugally and hopefully create a sufficient stream of passive income that I can retire early because I absolutely detest working.I have to say though, I hit the level of apathy and acceptance. looking at my portfolio and seeing 2-3 grand missing made me feel pretty bad.now at -10k I don't feel anything, it's just >well, that's a write off, lets wait some 4-5 years
>>60161972absolutely based
>>60156092The real problem with the world economy is that there are too many people and we need mass death to fix it. I'm not even kidding: this is the bleakest of black pills. The bubonic plague unironically is what ended the period of medieval stagnation and inaugurated the comparatively wealthy and industrious renaissance and early modern periods. The mass death and loss made more land available and allowed the surviving farmers to grow more and also increased demand for labor and thus wages. More death is needed. Similarly when the boomers finally die off we will see a sudden and dramatic improvement of the housing and real estate situation
>>60157941>The giant money sink which takes trillions off the circulation for regular goods is the driver of inflationThis is the average trump voter
>>60161972we are in the exact same situation
>>60161962Yes but the new billionaire class is formed by the men who direct the firing squad and then consolidate power with the state security apparatus. They then have the power to tell you to work in the bauxite mine while living in the cuck shed. You're just back to square one.
>>60161995Ok so Africa and India then?
>>60161532>I've never bought anything to import from overseasSo you've never bought a shirt, shoes or a cooking pot? Do you dress in a potato sack?
>>60158045His entire campaign is based on lies, are you a fucking moron lmao
>>60156092What plan? Being a retard is not a plan.
>>60161720This
>>60161995Yeah, wipe the nons
>>60156092Trump is the boss. He has already won. (Just like he won the election)
>sets up agreement that industrializes china at the expense of american workers who eventually go insane because they lost their factory jobs>unilaterally fucks with economic policy that causes stagflation for over a decade>invents unitary executive theory>establishes the precedent that the president can't be charged with crimeshate this mf
>his planyou mean the plan to alienate his allies, get counter tariffed and outcompeted by chinese in trade, remilitarizing EU and become a obsolete waning empire?i think it's working pretty well, he may not have saved US with his decisions but he sure as hell liberated europe from reliance on US
>>60156092Bringing manufacturing back to the US would literally require China-level central planning. This won't work.Also blanket tariffs are retarded because there's things we literally CAN'T make. How the fuck are you gonna grow coffee or vanilla.
>>60156092>What if his plan actually works?Why do you care? You won't live to see it and you're never getting kids anyway.
>>60162700theres lots of space in kansas
>>60162788Yeah that doesn't change the CLIMATE, Kansas isn't exactly fucking tropical
>>60162802lol
>>60162802ever heard of climate change
>>60161972I had £60k in my Vanguard account now down to £50k. Got about 10k cash, did have 35k but bought a house with the GF at the end of 2023.
>>60156486OOooooOOOOOOoOOOOOOOooooooo
lmao i remember these /pol/ delusions from every single last time you all decide to latch on to a particular hopium of the monthyou're easy to herd peasants, easy to make hopeful with a few empty promises. you deserve to always suffer. you were given all the tools to be real citizens but genetics are hard to change i suppose. thanks for playing.t. turdie who knows exactly where your shit is going>>60158565i agree. that's exactly what i see looking from the outside. america was at its peak wealth and power, and only kept putting increasingly stupid people in power. there is no way it's going to continue like this forever.>>60160821>If we cease to be a democracy/republic and have an authoritarian take-over and one-party rule for the next 20-30 yearssuch an administration will quickly realize it has zero reason to not keep you extremely poor while it concentrates all the wealth in the hands of their own few loyal top guys. at the end of those 30 years you'll end up like an average chink, russian, or worse.t. first hand experiencer
I was thinking even if his plan works and America is saved temporarily, he did shatter like a million norms and won't someone less competent/lucky down the road will use it as precedent to truly fuck shit up
>>60158520Bugs will be too expensive.
>>60156338>Oh wait you actually thought we’d be making shoes and hand stitching jeans, you retard?Imbecile. You realize Europe, especially high cost of living Germany, manufactures a shit ton right? And these European manufacturing jobs are good jobs that pay high middle class wages commensurate to the high cost of living over there. THOSE are the jobs we're going to be taking back. As for the East Asian sweatshops that produce cheap shit? Yes, obviously those will all be automated, which creates high salary jobs for the engineers and technicians who work on the robots and jobs for everybody else involved in the entire supply chain from extraction of the raw materials to delivery at the customer's doorstep. Even if not a single job was created, we still win by virtue of wealth flowing into the country from exports instead of wealth flowing out from imports as it is currently with the massive trade deficits we have now.
>>60156092If it worked countries would look at the US and see why it worked and imitated that. Meaning you'd have a bunch of sovereign states all producing their own shit. I'd imagine this would go both ways and the US' biggest export, digital goods would become home grown. I can't say if this is an improvement or not for everyone involved but I'd imagine it go down like that.
>>60163939>You realize Europe, especially high cost of living Germany, manufactures a shit ton right? This has been crumbling rapidly in the past 2-3 years, ever since cheap Russian gas ceased and we are dependant on the US Jew asking premium for the LNG. A *lot* of production is shifted towards balkan countries and, ironically, into the US. In addition the EU and German government have absolutely despotic terms and regulations towards producing industries making it extremely unattractive to produce here. The traiffs are actually changing little in this trend. >And these European manufacturing jobs are good jobs that pay high middle class wages commensurate to the high cost of living over there.If you are a factory worker here you can rent an apartment and maybe go on vacation elsewhere in the EU once per year. That is about it. If you have kids both parents need to work. You are unable to build up wealth or improve the social standing of your children.
>>60158520its funny that trump is paraded as some anti-wef guy but he gives speeches to those fucking guys every single year without fail and slurps them up lol
This entire thing boils down to: do you want Cletus and Cleveland from bumfuck Ohio to work wage nigger jobs at 20/hr, do deliveroo and have no stability, or sit and do fent.
>>60163354Only if they have the populist following. JD Vance or whoever would not have nearly the same level of charity and if the Democrats tried any of this, the Republicans would block them at every turn.
HE HAS NO PLAN GUYS
>>60156092Then the US will have a balanced trade portfolio only in goods, and you'll be poorer
>>60156092I have a new plan :-P (in minecraft) (joke) (not serious):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxnK08UN6mk
>>60156092>What if his plan actually works?If the plan works we are in for the greatest level of cope and seethe in human history. People don't realize the goal of the tariffs and DOGE is to ELIMINATE income taxes for those who make under $150,000.https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/trumps-latest-pitch-no-taxes-if-you-earn-less-than-usd150kIf this happens, 1) Republicans fucking win. Period. 2) The size of US government is capped unless Dems decide to reinstate income tax (won't happen). 3) Mass woke suicide, Jonestown-style.Funny how no one on the left or right discusses this.
>>60156092His plan is to tell the stupid goyim to just sit there while his big nose buddies write trillions of dollars of puts on every market around the world. His plan is working nicely.Oh you meant bringing factories back to America. Yeah....see.... no one's actually going to DO that because it still won't be profitable. First of all, there's no assurance that these tariffs will remain in place after Trump is gone, and if they were removed, it would be an immediate 100% loss for any manufacturer who reshored his factory. Secondly, it still won't be cheap to hire Americans, so instead of having American made products, we'll just have no products.
>>60165053HOKEY POKEY PLAN
>>60168360>>60165053WAGMI BROSMAGA
TRUMP-SAMA, I KNEEL
>HIS PLAN ACTUALLY WORKEDWHAT THE FUCK
>>60156253Now we can all get factory jobs and support a family of 4 and own a house with brand new cars every few years
>>60168040>Federal income tax is erased. >Replaced with higher priced goods. So in the end I'm paying about the same or more. As the government isn't gonna cut a tax and hope they break even. If it doesn't cover the math on cutting the tax. They're gonna keep both.
>>60158071UBI will be implemented if we get all the factories back in US, then u can tax the automated exports for UBI
>>60168564>Federal income tax is erased.Stop being disingenuous and intentionally misleading. No one said "Federal income tax is erased." It would be for people under $150K.Regardless of how it plays out in your OPINION, it would be a massive win for Trump, permanently shifting huge swaths of the middle and lower classes into the Republican Party. That is the end game with the tariffs.
>>60161225Sorry sweetie but those barista jobs are going to 20k and the factory jobs are going to 60k
>>60161585>not posting the real tweet
>>60161831When I bust down your door looking for protein with my cannibal caravan bros, we're gonna be real impressed by your credit score.
>>60156092He would have to actually have a plan in the first place.
Plan?
I can already see Trumps plan.He wants to induce a 1929 tier crash and wreck the economy and make money worthless so he can issue Reichmarks I mean Trump Dollars and cause the US to become a hyper utopia.The whole world will decay outside of the US now that the US itself trades and stimulates with itself and it's close allied resources, but unlike Nazi Germany, no one will be able to team up against the US to stop them.This is all because of BRICS etc I bet. The US knows that dollars are dying and the inflationary interest system created in 1912 has to go. It served its function then to make jews rich but this was short gains historically for what will lead to ruin long term.The crash was always coming but Trump has decided to start it in year 1 of his 4 years, rather than year 4 of his 4 years so he can control and push it.tl;dr Trump Dollars are coming.
>>60162287Okay, but imagine if it was. What then?
>>60171460i'm ready
>>60156092
>>60156092His plan to make nobody trade with US and rely on China instead? Good idea
>>60156092the retard has no plan. He's like one of those roman emperors with brains destroyed by syphilis that are surrounded by scared sycophants
>>60172390Wait it out..
>>60159004I'm new to all this, but if manual labor and manufacturing jobs were that great, wouldn't third world countries be rolling in money right now?
Will be accepted as an accidental genius 50 years from now. Maybe 30 after the boomers are dead and high schoolers can buy a house again.
>>60156253Is that good or bad for cryptobros
>>60175374No Roman Emperor had syphilis. Syphilis is a disease from the New World, introduced to Europe only after Columbus.
>>60171892this the part of the saga where XRP comes along and saves everything...
>>60160998I'm 29 and had $150k invested. I didn't even get a real job until 26.
>>60156092what if my penis enters your mother's mouth?
>>60156092>the global trade war has begun and the markets are crashing>what if his plan actually works?>plan?
It won't because he's lying>BRING BACK MANUFACTURING JOBSThis was a lie. All he wants is to get foreign tariffs down. What will they do with this extra cash? Tax cuts for rich kikes and more Israel funding.
>>60176102>All he wants is to get foreign tariffs down.But he's already declared that he doesn't intend to negotiate, and his tariffs are here to stay.Maybe that's a lie too. But if everything Trump says has to be a lie for his plan to make any kind of sense from a business perspective, I don't see how you could possibly gauge his true character and figure out what his real plan is.
>>60176102the foreign tariffs are often minuscule
>>60176349capital is means of production plus labor. if labor is automated it becomes just means of production.So a factory thats built would yield 100% profits.
>>60156092first you need to have a plan
>>60176448oh minus commodity i cant find the formula
>>60176349Trust the plan.
>>60176481here it is see. However thats assuming not all labor is automated.If all labor is automated the profit is 0
>>60158520correct. you will eat nothing
>>60156399>>60161020There are many ways this could have worked but yeah it would require specific tariffs in specific industries with a gradual planned increase + a lot of government investment and guarantees for companies onshoring.It doesn't work when you're doing whatever the fuck you want, tariffing the entire world at once and half the people in your admin keep talking about how this is meant to bring countries to the negotiating table and the other half are saying they are to reduce trade deficits and you yourself keep flip flopping between the two justifications.It's really just insanity and there are only two logical reasons he's doing this way either he's making money fucking with the markets or he's too dumb and is advised by people even dumber
>>60177306no great reset option?
trump is so retarded you have millions of people speculating on 5D chess even when he is performing idiotic heuristics
>>60176911US unemployment is 4.2% aka 0.
>>60156549>But he relied on the US government to bail him out and how he IS the government.kek
>>60177371Well lets talk about the theory of labor for a second.You might be wondering internet companies. But what most people dont realize is that these internet companies have giant server farms. that is the means of production. The servers.Cant explain belle delphines bath water though.
>>60177330Why would you want to introduce pain when you have midterms in 18 months? It would be one thing if hadn't made such a huge deal about this so he could just blame it on Biden but now this entire thing is his project.The possible benefits from this are years away if they happen at all. Meanwhile people will feel the rising costs of just about everything in a few months. It's just sheer insanity and a gamble he didn't even need to take since he can actually achieve his goals without it.
>>60156092He's doing the equivalent of Yeltsin's shock therapy where he's playing fast and loose with the economy thinking everyone will just play along in the US's best interest and not exploit the situation for themselves. So I don't think it will work. But if it does work, do you really want to live in a US in which the average worker is someone slaving away at a factory for 11 hours a day like they do in China?>>60160998>Be honest, who even here has invested in the stock market?I lost $200K to Bayhorse a few years ago, always have a blast being reminded of it every time I do taxes and get a "tax return" no matter what because capital loss carryover keeps eating all my penalties>>60177306I know here this is considered to be a reddit opinion to have, but I still think he's a Russian plant assigned to cause chaos for the US. He's probably the first Republican in history to ever say anything nice about Russia and I thought it was strange ever since his 2016 campaign when he kept telling neocons he's willing to work with Putin. Now he has all this legal debt that Russia might have agreed to pay off in exchange for him doing all this stupid shit with tariffs. The US currently basically has self-imposed sanctions that function similarly to Russia's sanctions imposed on them because of the war.
>>60157913Austrian economists
>>60177530an austrian economist woukd say he shoukdnt meddle with the economy because we cant understand it. Only a marxist or maybe neo keynesian would see a positive outcome. But i dont know about neo keynesian economics.
>>60158601This is some next-level copium
>>60158722>making college affordable so that they can get a real six figure office job1) That's the Democrats' thing, or at least was.2) I'm guessing colleges lobby the government to not do that, so now they're going for student loan forgiveness instead. The biggest problem right now is that lobbying is legal and no one in the government wants to change that since they all benefit from it. The closest you got was DOGE cutting bullshit spending from the budget, but that seems to have stopped now in favor of tariffmaxxing.
>>60177466I don't buy the Russian plant thing just because it's expecting too much competency from everyone involved. He was investigated for exactly that and they couldn't find jackshit to charge him with. If Russia could actually plan something on this scale they wouldn't be on an awful stalemate war with Ukraine right now.I think just about everyone wants to believe that people in charge have at least some degree of competency and know what they are doing or if not for that that there is a shadowy cabal running puppet state leaders and those people have a long term plan. I believe nobody knows what the fuck they are doing most of the time and they are clearly just winging it, COVID in particular was the biggest evidence of this. And now we have evidence that a single man's obsession with trade deficits can cause a global economic collapse.
>>60156092I have a plan. One last tariff and if this goes well we'll be harvesting mangoes in Tahiti. Have some goddamn faith.
>the last time he had a plan just as retarded
>>60159004Manufacturing jobs aren't middle class unless you're a nog.>noooo there HAVE to be poor people (and I want to be one of them)Kek. The unemployment rate in the US is only 4% so you're literally in the bottom 4% if you're a NEET assuming you're not a Russian troll.
>>60160821Ah yes the good dictatorship free of corruption that will act purely for the good of the people.
>>60156092He'll be a dictator. Unless he seizes power and guarantees that this continues for years it will never work. No one is going to move factories to America knowing that all this bullshit will be over with in 4 years.
>>60156253Plot twist: laidoff white collar Americans won't accept working a factory job for so little and the few that actually apply won't get hired for being overqualified. This will result in LEGALLY importing millions upon millions of unskilled labor from south of the border.
>>60177620You're literally retarded>being successful and having a good life is a Democrat thingThere is no glory in willfully kneecapping your life.
>>60156092You think there's a plan?Oh you poor sweet summer child
>>60177660Arthur... the S&P 500 is down arthur... I was told to hold FXAIX and dca, but it hurts arthur... what do I do?
>>60177728whats more likely that theres competent people backing this or that hes gone mad?
>>60158722>making college affordable so that they can get a real six figure office jobThat's not going to solve any problems either, it will just make competition in white collar jobs tougher.The heart of the problem is that the whole worldwide civilization is based around work, but due to growing efficiency 50-60% (and rising) of people simply cannot EVER contribute any useful work whatsoever to the economy. They just can't, and nothing can ever change this or reverse the trend. So the whole system needs to be rethought in a way that either doesn't revolve around work at all, or the workweek is like ten hours total or some shit so that four people can share the job of one person.
>>60163939Delusional idiot. America doesn't have all the raw materials to manufacture everything here and even if we did, it would still require sweatshop labor for MANY things to get done at all, much less economically. Robots and engineers aren't going to do everything. Jesus fuck, does MIGA really believe this stuff? What do you actually do for a living???We are pissing away our purchasing power right now. We are devaluing what the money we all earn can buy us, and you assfeeders think it's based because it owns the troons or something. You thought the cost of living was unbearable under Biden, yet cheer this???Oh, and housing isn't going to become more affordable. The boomers just lost a third of their retirement funds in the blink of an eye. They won't slash prices on their houses. And even IF manufacturing comes back to the US at lightning speed, there won't be enough low-skilled workers to do it all. The US will import infinity browns to work on our sweatshops and forever undercut the US citizen.Tell me again why having a high-skilled service economy was so bad.
>>60177818I lost the last bit of faith I had at "let epsilon < 0".
>>60177710Yep, and even if they did move them here within 3 years (not possible), they know the Dems will sweep in response to all this and force expensive green energy on them that they can't afford.I truly don't understand the gold path in all of this.>manufacturing returns>we get Beijing pollution, sweatshops, amd infinity migration for low-skilled labor>it becomes economically unfeasible when Dems push for worker's rights and environmental protection>America becomes a shithole slum and then manufacturing quickly leaves>Americans lose all of purchasing power and are impoverished
>>60177638>He was investigated for exactly that and they couldn't find jackshit to charge him withThat was for "election interference", which I think was interpreted to mean ballot fraud. They paid for his campaign instead (small portion of it, source: my ass). Then in 2024, they instead paid off his legal fees (and probably the campaign too again) in exchange for him agreeing to do dumb shit. Money is a powerful thih2ng.
>>60168510He thinks that factory jobs will just come back quickly without any automation attached. That's adorable.
>>60177638It's a lot easier to control one guy than run an complex operation using an army full of corrupt idiots from top to bottom.
>>60177818Trump is listening to Peter Navarro for economic advice and Peter Navarro refers, and cites to a fake economist with the name "Ron Vara" that is just an anagram of "Navarro"; to justify the tariffs. So yes, they are all just retarded, lying, fickle, scumbags. You attract the company you keep
What if mexico paid for the wall?What if china tapped out during his first term trade war?What if he stopped giving Israel money for no reason to cut government costs?We will never know
it wontif it does, ill kill myself out of shame and embarrassment
>>60178264Why is does he listen to Navarro anyway?
>>60178572he has no concept of anything other than golfing, bringing up joe biden, or lying
>>60178608Okay, but why Navarro specifically, and not someone else?
>>60178637because he's been riding his meat for almost 10 years now
>>60178637people who dont say no dont get fired
>>60178650>>60178682I guess, but he has lots of yes-men and dick riders. He doesn't subscribe to all their economic theories.
>>60175552Rome is so big, we have everything
>>60177861did you dilate 3 times a day, it takes about an hour a piece I hear, so I do believe you've been outpaced by developments.
>>60178739i have syphilis
>>60156338>Maggots are beyond retarded. You just got duped into helping him crater the economy so his crony friends can pick up the pieces in ai and cryp-ACK!!!
>>60177530kek>>60177710do you remember what happened in year 3 of 12 years not a slave?
>>60178637Kushner found him by looking at Amazon book covers, really
>>60156253In other words he wants to turn the email sending class into an actual productive workforce and make computers do the "work" they did? why is that bad? if industrial jobs are abusive and not well paid its because of immigration and he is taking care of that
>>60178801uw0m8>>60178802Yeah, I read that too. It doesn't explain why Trump listens to him.
>>60177728>You think there's a plan?There's a plan:1) Crash Markets2) Lower Interest Rates3) Refinance US Debt4) Deflation to lower prices5) Build US manufacturing base6) Spur more growth and limit government size by eliminating income tax for people under $150KI saw this and left the stock market. I will buy back in when coast is clear. If you people want to ignore a clear plan because Orange Man Bad, then stay poor. Smart people base decisions around what the administration said they would do, and is doing.
>>60179801>2) Lower Interest RatesWont interest rates go up for crashed economies?
>>60177306incrementalism just lets companies steal whatever funds you're subsidizing them with, not build anything, and wait for the next administration to forget about it
>>60179874I have no idea. Am not that smart. I just follow the thing they said they would do, and try to get paid.
>>60180058Why would the next administration change it? And if you think the next admin would scrape something that is working why wouldn't they do the same with something that clearly isn't?
>>60179801>deflation This is so absolutely retarded that someone in the WH probably actually believes it
>>60156132>Any retard can see he's ushering in the great resetHe obviously has handlers and isn't calling the shots. So many plebs don't understand this. The real question is whether his handlers have decided for Great Reset now or in a few years time. Feels slightly too early for it now, but what do I know -- we're about to find out regardless.
Not trying to sound super schizo, but I really feel like there's something more to all this than simply the tariffs. I think he's really trying to goad China into doing something
>>60156092The market doesn't believe it will, so it won't. It's that simple.Look at the 10/30 year bond yields lmao.
>>60180952I think the goal is to bring countries like China, North Korea, Iran and even Russia into the fold or face economic ruin without ever firing a shot.
>>60177852The real solution is getting rid of lots of people, clearly
>>60177710>He'll be a dictator. Unless he seizes power and guarantees that this continues for years it will never work. No one is going to move factories to America knowing that all this bullshit will be over with in 4 yearsKek. He already is. MAGA now controls the USA. Things will escalate before the 2026 midterms.2024 was the last US election
>>60180952Nah, he just loves tariffs lol. He's been obsessed with throwing tariffs around for ages before he started directing them at China.
>>60179874>>60180541Depends.During a downturn the Federal Reserve normally reduces interest rates.Also there's normally reduced loan demand (since there's more uncertainty) which can reduce rates.In uncertain times investors typically look for certain investments, like government bonds. Increased demand for bonds drives up their prices, which pushes down their yields. Lower bond yields reduces interest rates.If you have lots of inflation though this all goes out of the door....
>>60181104Definitely could be, maybe I'm just hoping there's something else to it, but I don't know. Just feels like there's something brewing
>>60158520You'll live in a tent eating plastic macaroni and cheese next to a mercury and sulfur filled creek outside the factory you work at that pays you minimum wage. And you'll still be paying off high interest loans.
>>60156092It's not whether or not it will work. There is no alternative. The United States either starts supporting itself or we get cut off economically from the rest of the world and fall off.
>>60156092Amerisharts change from working at walmart and in offices to doing 1 movement in a factory all dayThey also can buy less than their wagesThats the literal best case
>>60156253Sounds great. I worked in an office, most people there don't do a fucking thing. No more snack drawer for you Sharon, get your fat arse to work. And Andrew? You can sweat a little instead of booking meetings about meetings. T. Seething blue collar wage slave
>>60181114Thank you Anon.
You need allies for it to work.You need to produce more than iphones, visa payment processing and broken nvidia GPUs for that to work.Lastly those iphones and nvidia GPUs need to be built in America. Nvidia NEED 2nm by 2027. Apple need that today. America cannot provide it.Your food, isn't up to the quality levels others want.Trying to mafia boss the entire world for not buying American is fundamentally a flawed plan.
>>60156092Isn't the best case scenario for his plan is that all the ruralrites in the Appalachians become the new Mexicans/Chinese (until they're replaced by robots)
