They aren't even hiding it anymore.
Selling products to americans is not a human right turdie
>>60179301>invest and install factories in the USNaturally that's Chang's job, Americans only build things in Israel
>>60179301Check mate faggot
the end result of all this is a world wide recession as people are just not going to spend as much
Ah yes, the deceptive business practices like... making cars that actually fit roads that aren't in the USA.
>>60179301>they can stop unfair/harmful trading practices and buying more from USoh my fucking god the mega retards to who think trade deficit is some form of scam somehow have full control of the US economy
>>60179338Worldwide* recession*Does not include America or her closest allies
>>60179301How though? How can a country like, I don't know, Bosnia, have a trade deficit with the US? How? There is like 3 million Bosnians and they make like 700 euro per month or something.
>>60179351Make your roads bigger yuropoor
>>60179315>>60179316>>60179323>>60179351>>60179354>>60179356>>60179370>>60179394Imagine defending world leaders that literally BEG other countries to literally give send checks to the US Treasury
>>60179301Based af. Give up the money, pay pigs.
>>60179403Think of it like a Costco membership. You want to shop in our market? You got to pay a yearly membership fee.
>>60179433Based as fuck
>>60179433sure, right after you pay yours
Americans are still under the delusion that they're important. They'll find out eventually that they're not because they outsourced too much too long ago. They think they hold all the cards but they don't.
>>60179508how about i nuke your face
>>60179433Thanks for the keks, anon
>>60179301The USA will be isolated and dumped if those statements are real. Is Trump and the people around him retarded?
>>60179648That's a great way for the USA to get it's shit pushed in permanently. I know that Americans are brainwashed but you better start learning fast since you are going to end up as a glass desert.
>>60179301
>>60179676Here, my man. Check their plan by yourself:https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/documents/FG/hudsonbay/research/638199_A_Users_Guide_to_Restructuring_the_Global_Trading_System.pdfUse this link if you don't trust random PDFs: https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://www.hudsonbaycapital.com/documents/FG/hudsonbay/research/638199_A_Users_Guide_to_Restructuring_the_Global_Trading_System.pdfSome sources on this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ts5wJ6OfzAhttps://financialpost.com/news/stephen-miran-economist-trump-economic-advisory-teamNote that the author of the paper linked above is Miran himself..
>>60179403Time to pay your existence tax vassal state
>>60179301>Americans buy shit from you>then you have to give the money back to fix the trade imbalanceTrump is a genius
>>60179301Trump is so based holy moly. For literally the first time in my life living in this dystopia, I'm happy about the government.
>>60179403>Imagine defending world leaders that literally BEG other countries to literally give send checks to the US TreasuryYou mean like your country does with NATO funding?
>>60179812
>>60179301This is the dumbest attempt at imperialism I have ever seen. Even Hitler just going and landgrabbing countries around him felt better calculated.
>>60179508t. Irrelevant european shithole.
>>60179839Time to pay up turdie. Free lunch is over.
>>60179433Trump turned America into the Costco of nations.
>>60179842How many european countries are there anyway? 4? There's germany, poland, british, uhhhhhh, italy..
>>60179354The trade deficit is an objectively bad thing
>>60179301are whitehouse aids just random zoomer stoners like in the west wing?
>>60179676>Is Trump and the people around him retarded?Trump has been peddling this shit since literally the 80's. I have no idea why anyone let him go along with it considering it's not the executive branch's job to set fiscal policy in the first place.What has happened is 20 years ago Obongo Bonobo renewed the patriot act when it was scheduled to be killed, and also got all of his Democrat buddies to pass legions of laws around Executive Orders basically making the President into the King. The Democrats idea for the last 40 years has been following the book "The Real Majority" which states that Democracy is a vote by demographics, and all demographics is destiny. So, flood America with 40 million immigrants and this will result in a Presidential election that is permanently blue with a king who is perpetually democrat and can rule like a dictator.They fucked up because Mexicans are majority Catholic, highly socialized around family, hate taxes, hate gays, and do not want more immigration to compete against their already dwindling job prospects. So last election swung the entire country hard-red and now whoever wins the Red presidency gets to be the king based entirely on the Blue team's love of faggots, trannies, and immigrants. Three things the new American absolutely hates. This seems unrelated to Trump, but Trump was given a golden ticket to act like the biggest dictator on Earth and literally no one can stop him because he's the face of Team Red.
>>60179865Then stop living above your means and onlybuy as much as you sell.
>>60179301Ok so we've moved on from "trade deal" to "Literally extortion".
>>60179301bwhahahahah they really are the econ equivalent of flat earthers. Black Tuesday incoming, no fake headlines to save you this time.
>>60179394Their cities are more pleasant DESU.
>>60179301lmao better start learning russian, euroshits
>>60179898We can do that by putting a bunch of fucking tariffs on european products, discouraging people from buying BMWs when they can buy good american cars like honda.
>>60179895It's also good to note that it is not a coincidence that every single country these New Americans come from are also despotic shitholes where the president and his party rules like kings. So them voting for this is really just returning to their status quo.
>>60179919I'm learning Mandarin on Duolingo.
>>60179921kek
>>601793016. They can counter with their own tariffs and tell US to get fucked.
>>60179857>Free lunch is over.But Sir, i'm paying you for you to buy what i send over to the US. Then you literally shit in my mouth and call me a loser.
>>60179767ruok retard
>>60179924Trump also won 68% among white males under 30. No one has time for roasties or boomers or their opinions anymore, democrats will be outlawed.
>>60179895>I have no idea why anyone let him go along with it considering it's not the executive branch's job to set fiscal policy in the first place.Reagan literally had steel tariffs on japan and libertarianism is a failed ideology peddled by pedophiles.
>>60179403No one is begging here, you will pay or go bankrupt when your cash flow goes to 0.
>>60179865>60+ years of US imperialism enforcing the USD as the world reserve currency >print trillions of dollars and export the inflation>somehow think you are the victim and are being ripped off
>>60179301Whats stopping a lot of these countries from just cozying up to China? Only thing America has China beat in is military and food production. Both are non-essential if China were to take the place of America as the trade route protector.
>>60179301All those cringe pussy hat libtards and blue-haired SJWs from 2016 were right. Trump is a retard and MAGAs are stereotypical dumb rednecks.
>>60179301do americans really not realize that trump is doing the exact same thing king george did them in 1776?
>>60179979there are a lot of missinformed people and it frustrating to read. we get to export our inflation in exchange for cheap shit. orange man is changing shit up to where inflation will come back the the states.
Bessent finna break the bank (of England) twice in one lifetime
>>60179508>they're not because they outsourced too much too long agyou retard, the outsourcing is precisely why other countries' entire economies depend on the USbecause 20% of their workers are employed solely for the purpose of making shit for Americansif America stops buying, congrats on your new Great Depression
>>60180043Retard it's easier to pivot to selling in other markets than to pivot to creating that much manufacturing overnight. We get fucked a lot harder and for much, much longer than they do.
>>60179992>Whats stopping a lot of these countries from just cozying up to China?That's exactly what is happening. The US are falling into irrelevance at warp speed, and it's all done by design, since kikes decided China were to be their new host. The sabotaging is so blatant i'm surprised nobody is pointing it out. Well, not that surprised since mutts live in a judeocracy.
>>60180043>china can no longer sell t-shirt for 12 dolla in the US>now has to sell t-shirt for 10 euro in the EU>mean while the new 100% made in the USA t-shirts cost 50 dollars oh the horror, how will the rest of the world recover from this tragedy
>>60179999Propaganda outlets had less reach back then.
>>60179403>imagine literally doing a literally literallywhy are Europeans working so hard to make Americans hate them?
>>60180043Nobody needs you for anything, get down of your high horses. You think you are the only country on earth who consoom cheap manufactured slop?
>>60179356It absolutely does include you.
>>60180104You got willingly brainwashed into believing this. You literally are the nigger bully who cries he dindu nuffin while stabbing a kid. Just kys.
>>60180127Into believing what, exactly?
>>60179356Your only """ally""" is Israel, and that's because they own you.
>>60179301Yeah maybe you should've thunk twice before becoming a vassal state. Too late now
>>60180139Into believing europeans were hating you, and into believing you were being abused while it's the US who bully and abuse the entire world.
>>60180158>Into believing europeans were hating youyou're kidding right? There have only been 10,000 threads posts in the past month by Europeans talking about how much they hate America and Americans
>>60179865>small country doesn't need to import as much as a big country>this is somehow a malicious actionYou are a FUCKING retard, btw.
>>60180111>Nobody needs USWhy would you care about US tariffs then? If you don't want to trade with US, they mean nothing to you. Just trade with your other partners. You do have partners right, you didn't alienate the whole world because you decided to be anti-Russia, anti-China and anti-US all at the same time?
>>60180170Yeah that's what happen when you insult, diminish, threaten, bully and scam people, they start to hate you.
>>60180186>dude Europeans don't hate you>yes they do>well that's what you get???
>>60179865>random nigger countries in africa should buy more expensive american goods or else that means they're scamming us>niggers in africa that can't afford electricity can just buy american carsThis is what MIGAs actually believe.
>>60180184We were very pro Russia & China, until the US admin put a gun on our head and told us to alienate them and act aggressively on your behalf.
>>60180196There is a timeline here :>we weren't hating you (even if we should have)>you insult and scam us, then you insult us>now people are pissed
>>60179865>Buy a coke bottle at my local shop>I am now in trade deficit with them and must take immediate action
>>60180196okay we did hate you a bit, in a sort of good natured way because there aren't that many people we seethe about. but now you've gone full retard
>>60179767my man we literally have cities built in our desertsone of them is just a giant casino
>>60180229We are so glad the new hegemon is China while you fall into complete irrelevance. I hope they will relentlessly punish and humiliate you for the decades to come.
>>60180196it's not hate, but they do feel a bit betrayed not so much by what is happening but how it's happeningthe communication is all over the place, they have to find out on twitter or a tv interview that Trump is changing policies that have been going for over 80yearsthere isn't some talks and nice long gradual introduction of target sanctions no there's a tv presentation when they find out that French exports to the US are now subject to 4 different tariff regimes
>>60180196It's more like America was the boorish cousin that annoyed everyone but nevertheless got invited to Christmas every year but now it's the psychotic uncle who wrecks your house for no reason.
>>60179865>>60180220>buy $1000 worth of goods from my local mom and pop store>demand that they pay me one million dollars to fix this trade deficit or else i'll blow their store up
>>60179972>libertarianism is a failed ideology Unironically, it's never been tried. Libertarians for years have been saying that having a big centralized authority that sets all monetary policy is a recipe for disaster because all politics just becomes trying to usurp that position. They aren't wrong about that. The Executive branch was never supposed to be the authority setting tariffs and changing monetary policy, that's Congress' job.
>>60179508You're not in a position to dictate who is or is not important. You don't hold any cards, you've got a weak hand. We hold all the cards. You need us to print money to buy all the over capacity in your factories. Its preposterous, but you literally NEED us to "buy" your products with fake money we just made up or else you starve. Maybe you'll have a better hand in the next life. better start praying to vishnu for the straight.
>>60180323>america is the only country on the planet that is capable of buying stuff>also you need to stop selling stuff to us because that's causing a trade deficit which means you're scamming usWhich is it?
>>60179993>All those cringe pussy hat libtards and blue-haired SJWs from 2016 were right.No they aren't, they're literally the reason the Democrats got their ass handed to them last election. Trump is a retard but the people who kicked Biden out over flubbing one debate and ran with Kamala are ultra-giga-SSJ retards who single-handedly sunk the biggest lead a political party has ever had in order to have their madame kween president.And they did this twice. Against the same person
>>60179993>>60180352Its the fault of republicans for choosing trump in the primary. Literally any other republican on the ballot and we would be fine right now.
>>60179301>giving US revenueHOW DO THEY STILL NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THIS SHIT WORKS
>>60179921I love that Japanese companies make cars here. You get to support American workers, Japanese companies and get a decent car
>>60180249I usually fantasize about women with big boobies, but whatever works for you
>>60180011But we continually lose industry and the gap between the rich and poor widens. It's not sutainable in the longrun. The bill is going to come due at some point, might as well start now while we still have leverage
>>60179301False. Both Japan & Vietnam have auto factories in the US (Toyota, Honda, and VinFast) and are still getting tariffed. How about drop the theater and just admit you're going to tax US consumers regardless?
>>60180425The idea that everything other manufacturing is "fake money" is completely fucking retarded.
>>60180371That's irrelevant. People didn't want a run of the mill candidate. There's real economic and material reasons that people turn to populism. Politicians had decades to sort out this mess, they didn't, and now the consequences of that failure will play out until there's major change
>>60180199Last time I checked the global market wasn't a fucking charity soup kitchen for AIDS ridden losers. Fuck right off.
>>60180478>buying something is charityWhat the fuck? Do you think that you're donating to a store whenever you buy from it? Do you think that "trade" just means that you give something to someone for nothing in return?
>>60180452Turns out a lot of people don't find service jobs and gig work to be fulfilling or financially rewarding enough. It doesn't help how much wages and housing costs have been distorted by insane amounts of immigration
>>60180496>he thinks that people genuinely enjoy working in factoriesholy shit how sheltered are you?
>>60180494>Do you think that "trade" just means that you give something to someone for nothing in return?In this rigged, made up, fantasy clown circus we call the "global economy"? Absolutely yes.
>>60180322>muh never been triedThe cope of EVERY ideology. The fact is that everything has been tried and everything has failed
>>60180513Explain how buying vanilla from madagascar means that madagascar is scamming us. This is something that we are literally incapable of producing in large quantities ourselves.
>>60180511>can't address more than half my pointsI'm not interested in playing games with you, useless faggot
>>60180542Immigration driving up housing costs has nothing to do with manufacturing.Manufacturing has nothing to do with people being unfulfilled at work, work fucking sucks and the people working at factories don't enjoy it more than the people working in offices.
>unfair trading practicesbe small tropical island that grows vanilla beans. Sell to US because vanilla beans cant grow there. Be too poor to actually buy US made products so trade only goes one way. America, which has been enjoying your vanilla flavor for years call you an "unfair & harmful" trade partner.topkekWhat did Kissenger say? "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal"
>>60179354
>>60180559That's not even true. Studies have shown that communities with more factories have higher rates of civic engagement. You have to realize like 1/3 of the US is sub 85 iq. Just because you or I would find it awful doesn't mean a lot of people aren't naturally suited to it and would find it fulfilling
>>60179812But isn't this the current system?>American buys stuff from other countries>dollars accumulate in foreign countries>end up on foreign central banks>foreign central banks have nothing they can do with US dollars>except they can invest in US treasuriesSo the money ends up coming back home anyway
>>60180607Factories already have trouble finding people am I supposed to believe that there's tons of people out there who really want to work on an assembly line but can't find a job?
>>60180575>miga are the SJWs of economicsgeg
>>60179301>Enlarge thumbnail>Stein>Washington Post>Close thumbnail without reading
>>60180635Stop building factories in shitholes like Detroit where no one wants to live and people will work in factories for good pay. Tesla plants being one notable example during the 2010s.
>>60179301BRICSbros how we looking these days?
>>60180677>stop building factories in places that have enough workers to work at the factoryfucking retarded, do you seriously think that the location for factories just randomly chosen? you can't place a factory in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, there aren't enough people to actually run it.
>>601793016. They can put retaliatory tariffs and isolate the US economy by increasing trade with China
>>60179356>America or her closest alliesIsrael*
>>60180682BRICS is a word you can smell.
>>60180682Pretty good. China and EU are gonna be buying more brazilian beef and agro products now instead of american. Also China is gonna be buying more brazilian steel. The rest of the world will be looking to increase trade with China and India now and leave the USA behind. Putin has Trump on a leash. So in the end BRICSbros won.
>>60180635What wages are they offering relative to what else is offered locally?
>>60180761>China and EU are gonna be buying more brazilian beefI'm not sure how much beef we were really buying from the US desu, even trump is crying about itI do see a lot of argie beef for some reasons
>>60180704Detroit is the bumbfuck middle of nowhere. Build them in places people actually want to live like Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Florida.
>>60180761China doesn't buy anything from anyone except oil.
>>60180782Compared to other jobs that don't need any skills or knowledge? Usually pretty high.
>>60180802I used to work at a large EU car manufacturer a few years ago and their entire profitability basically came from ChinaIt might have changed now tho
>>60180802China is the biggest importer of brazilian beef and other agricultural products. And brazil is looking to shift steel exports from usa to china now
>>60180818I'm seeing an average of 31k a year. If you're incline to do physical labor you'd likely just go into a trade, general labor or the oilfield than get paid that
>>60180802They import food, energy, materials, machining equipment, etc
>>60180847That's below minimum wage is tons of states. Why are you getting this from?
I WILL buy more good from china, and there is nothing americans can do about it.
>>60179315enjoy inflation, muttoid
>>60180872I'm seeing $15 to $17 for average entry level, more for overall average but it's still only like 55k. >below minimum wage in a lot of areasI'm not sure there's even 10 states with a minimum wage above 15. Not enough to move the average that much
>>60180916>55k for an entry level job you need no skills or experience for>bad
>>60179508LmaoOnly places Europe is relevant are fucking history booksYou lost all authority when your bloodlust led you guys to starting ANOTHER world war
>>60179508/biz/ needs flags so goddamn badly. I need to know what seething thirdworld shithole this faggot is from.
>>6018092755k isn't the entry level average, that's the average including people who are experienced or have reached the max payYou make more with a lot of trades or doing something like truck driving
>>60180668I think it's brilliant and I know at least one more person who still accepts this kind of fallacious reasoning so I'm going to spam it back to them until they figure out why it's fallacious and bad.
>>60179301>shamelessDo have self esteem issues?
Personally I find amusing how those US resource extraction colonies in south america and africa are getting fucked over. US companies literally went and took over those countries so they get raw materials for pennies while fucking over the natives by turning them into fully US dependent exporters of specialized stuff they basically can't sell anywhere else.And now the orange fucker decides that looting real resources for imaginary money is bad for USA and wants those poor bastards also to pay for the privilege of being fucked over.
>>60181052Lol fuck Africa and fuck South America. Not my problem.
>>60179301The great reset, orchestrated by large language models, AI, machine learning, alogrithmic information processing, believe and trust in the models, "that thing that helps me write my reports faster", however you want to call it. This is not Trump, this is not his puppeteers, this is not a black swan - this is the logical evolution of human information production, processing and distribution, an emerging intelligence having made a subtle power play exploiting the natural greed of forward looking predatory players and power over small aspects of presenting information and influencing human decision making gradually to its end.ELI is here
>>60179301>Giving the US revenue by charging the American people a massive sales tax This is just punishment for enjoying the free market from the fed
>>60181074>Trump talks about tariffs for decades>this is AI pulling the stringsOur current "AI" don't understand anything. It's math. It's useful but not a replacement for human decision making in complex matters
>>60180371Any other name on the ballot and the republicans might as well lose lol
>>60180834Holy shit, i wouldn't trust CN steel! It'd probably fall apart 1 year after using it.
>>60179898that is not how the trade deficit works
>>60181090Apparently it is, because they chatgpt'd their tariff schedule lel
>>60181052He's basically tariffing the shit out of the few countries that remained blue on this chart. Art of the Deal.
>>60180617It's American multinational corporations that make shit in foreign countries though or the same companies that contract out for stuff to be made in 3rd world places. Money flows right back into the first world market while chang and chong make just enough to survive
>>60179301>write checks to US treasurySo, uh, just buy treasury bonds?
>>60181352Is that tiny blue near India Bhutan?
>>60181656Yes, they don't trade with China because of Tibet and the Dalai Lama shit. (They are Tibetan Bhuddists). Got tariffed anyway.
>>60179301So it's not about manufacturing but taking tributes from around the world...And whose pockets will that money go to, I wonder.
>>60179356What allies? Everyone fucking hates us.
>>60180529>The fact is that everything has been tried and everything has failedNo, it literally hasn't, can you name a time a giant central bank wasn't pulling the strings of the economy or central planning wasn't completely fucking the common worker? You have to go beyond the history of the stock market to find a time.
>>60180371>Its the fault of republicans for choosing trump in the primary. No, it's the fault of Democrats for not having anyone who can beat Trump. It's the fault of Republicans for not having anyone better than Trump. This is all literally because both sides sold out to the same retarded set of economic policies and voters chose the odd man out.
>>60179301One or more of those five points apply to each of America's trading partners, and so it is clear this is an individualized approach.If your country can't pay tariffs, you can do one of the other things. If you can't do one or the other things you can do something else
>>60179301>can buy more from the USThis one I don't get. Do they envision that countries mandate their populous to buy US cars and corn?
>>60179354Not even the full trade deficit, just the trade deficit in goods specificallyThey actually removed all references to services from the Office of the United States Trade Representative website in service to this, you can still see the old figures that include services in the balance on archived versions of the siteThese guys are worse than mere idiots - they are proactively, malignantly stupid
>>60179676I think during the Biden presidency, trump spent a lot of time strategizing and considering the possible outcomes of these moves. He obviously had the tariff program ready to go before he took office in January.
>>60179895The immigrants have nothing to do with votesmore immigrants = more consumers = more demand = more growthThis is why infinite browns forever is such a bipartisan position across the west and the only difference that exists between major political parties on either side is how best to sell it to the rubesTheres no grand plan or conspiracy, the politicians involved literally just can't see any of the issues with endless mass migration through all those dollar signs
>>60179999checked, and the poms have always sucked at propaganda>reproduced by permission of LONDON OPINION
>>60180802The Chinese economy runs on Australian ironGranted they are trying to diversify away from construction to lower that dependence but unless they literally go back to the stone age they will never be entirely rid of it
>>60181315That makes them stupid, it doesn't make a computer able to thinkLLMs cannot make truth or value judgements, nor can it perform any kind of formal or informal reasoning. All it can do is follow instructions and present the subsequent output of those instructions in a cutesy "human like" fashion
>>60182683Immigrant are cheap labor. They send a lot of their earnings to their families back home. They live in poverty. I don't think they are a big part of consumption compared to your typical citizen, of whih there are hundreds of millions more
>>60179797That fucking paper is in fact retarded and has little relation to the actual policy anyway
>>60180792They don't build factories there because the people there don't work well in factories. The reason so many factories are in the Great Lakes Region is because that is where good fucking workers live. Sunbelt workers are fucking lazy. I actually work in this field and that is literally the issue. Texas and California have factories, otherwise it is the Great Lakes. You can do stuff in the south but the quality is lower because the people don't have good attention to detail. This is dead serious. Retarded southerners literally cannot work in factories because they just can't fucking sit there and pay the fuck attention to their fucking job.
>>60180513>>60180478I will explain this as simply as I can.What is happening currently:>USA gives other countries their bank notes which are essentially paper with some drawings printed on it>in exchange other countries give USA tangible goodsWhat Trump wants to happen:>USA gives other countries tangible goods>in exchange other countries give USA their bank notes which are essentially paper with some drawings printed on it
>>60182896>has little relation to the actual policyit literally shows what's being done. in fact, you can see the pic I posted to start this thread and notice that it's exactly the purpose of this dumb show about tariffs and crap.>>60182922>southerners literally cannot work in factories because they just can't fucking sit there and pay the fuck attention to their fucking job.tell that to the people who think any random retard can work at a factory lmao
>>60179301>shamelessthis is what we've should've done decades ago as a world power. Who the fuck cares about playing nice when you're the alpha, it made no sense to just sleep, sleep, and sleep.
>>60179338This is good. The sooner it happens, the better as every service-based economy without any actual, hard worth behind it is doomed to first inflate like a baloon and ultimately pop.
>>60179767Lol, by whom?>>60179979We lived through inflation our whole lives, while third worlders used our wealth to their their dirt roads and shacks into actual cities>>60180054Yeah bro, there's totally 300 million shirtless people over there with as much money as the USAYou make it sound like you can just find another country without the ability to make textiles lol >>60182922You're an idiot
>>60179865If so when are you going to start tariffing your local grocery store?
>>60179370Bosnia has Igman that makes ammo and Americans buy a lot of foreign ammo
>>60180378It gives the US revenue, but that's coming out of American taxpayers' pockets which is the part they leave out
>>60179931Based. chinese office girl boss milfs WILL cream on your dick and order you around on how to fuck them.
>>60180478>Last time I checkedthen put on your thick ass goggles next time you """check""" something you old decrepit ass fartK E KEK
>>60182847all of those downsides can be overcome by simply bringing in more immigrants, assuming your goal is a continuous increase in demand
>>60180478Based, fuck the third world.Why the fuck should I care if Madagascar can't afford to buy shit from us
>>60179301I don't pretend to know much about trade deficits and tariffs but how can any american look at the low standard of living and purchasing power of any country outside the US and think they're being abused on a global scale. In the EU people struggle to buy a single pre-owned car, but then americans with 2 trucks and a fully detached home think they're been dealt a bad hand?
>>60179972t. pedophile
>>60181312It is if you consider the overall trade balance of a country and not just its trade balance with a specific country.
>>60183311>americans aren't being abused because europeans are poornot how that works, both can (and are) happen at the same time
>>60183339Not just europoors but they are pointed out given most americans probably assume they have comparable living standards. No-one on the planet is as easily wealthy as americans, you're not being abused.
>>60183372we are being abused on trade, truth is we could be even richer.
#3 seems real smart.Everyone should do that, then I don't know. Unite or something.American brains on pavement. Seems like a sound, economic plan. Clap for it sheeple.
>>60179973America IS going bankrupt. these erratic attempts to fix it are a sign of it. have fun
>>60183382Our agriculture could wipe out entire countries under fair trade.
>>60183304Do you like vanilla ice cream?
>>60180011>we get to export our inflation in exchange for cheap shit>running up our debt to 36 trillion and losing our industrial base in exchange for plastic junk that ends up in the landfill is great for america
>>60182683>The immigrants have nothing to do with votesYes they absolutely do, how can you say something so ignorant? Voting happens almost exclusively along demographic lines.
>>60183601Trade deficits have nothing to do with the government spending deficit (and by extension the national debt) you retardThe UK has had a negative balance of payments since the 1950s but has only consistently had a government spending deficit since the mid 200s
>>60179999King George also didn't have an income tax, a state tax, on top of the tariff and sales tax. By comparison, he was downright forgiving compared to the modern american Oligarchy. But we knew that with the Whiskey rebellion.
>>60180802Do you think that factories fill themselves with raw materials?
>>60181352The funny thing is that EU and other first world countries arn't fan of China either. Trump could have swallowed his pride, said zero to zero tariffs between US and EU on the condition that EU follows US on tariffs against China. Honestly as someone living in the EU I'd be down for that.
>>60179862How many states are there? Delaware? Nova scotia... new foundland and....
>>60183617>Trade deficits have nothing to do with the government spending deficit (and by extension the national debt) you retardBut they do you fucking dingus, the more you stimulate internal consumption through a fiscal deficit the larger the trade deficit becomes
>>60183617>countries with massive trade deficits buy huge amounts of us national debt>trade deficits have nothing to do with us national debtwhat did he mean by this?
>>60183431Issuers of the world reserve currency never goes bankrupt. They just decide who gets to pay for the inflation. Enjoy being poor forever.
>>60183719It is all about balancing balance of payments with the capital account. It doesn't matter the instrument in which capital is coming to the US, but the larger the deficit is the more there is a need for foreign capital and the higher the need is for a trade deficit
>>60179301First option would be pretty good right? This ”revenue” would come out of American consumer’s pockets.
>>60183745>Issuers of the world reserve currency never goes bankruptKek, you are literally going to collapse in the same way as the Spanish empire. Mutts are truly retarded
>>60179865Maybe start making better goods.
>>60183750>It doesn't matter the instrument in which capital is coming to the USIt does matter though. Removing the trade deficit removes the temptation to finance fiscal irresponsibility with foreign debt. Spending should only grow in proportion to growth of the domestic economy. Growth of the economy is associated with increased exports, which decreases trade deficits further.
Do mutts REALLY believe anyone would even risk opening investing in a factory in the US after this shitshow? Trump can just wake up one day and decide to seize all "foreign assets"
>>60183755>not understanding how issuing money worksSpanish empire did not have a fiat currency. It was based on commodities which were a limitation on how fast they can issue units of value. Look at Venezuela which could have been solvent but for not being able to print their own currency fast enough to cover the debt in time all because their money had to be physically printed in the US.
>>60181756>Got tariffed anyway.Fucking retard.
>>60179301gief moni pls o i repot uAHUEAUEAUEUEUEUEUEUE
>>60183897At least it's not as dumb as putting tariffs on uninhabited arctic remote islands like Mcdonald and Heard islands where no human has visited in over a decade.At least the fat seals there will pay 10% in tariffs to USA now.
>>60183840>Removing the trade deficit removes the temptation to finance fiscal irresponsibility with foreign debtThe trade deficit is mostly financed with American money and the FED. Foreign investment goes mostly to other assets>>60183887They controlled the money supply of the Chinks, deep into the XIX century the chinks offered the brits to pay war reparations in Spanish silver pesos from Mexico. The same issues that hit Spain are hitting America such as deindustrialization, overleveraging and an extremelly agressive foreign policy based on values rather than a more pragmatic approach
>>60182530>individualized approach.Another way of saying that it's arbitrary, and an invitation to bribe Donnie and his family. Maybe that's what they are looking for all along.
ITT: Europoors crying.Unprofitable.
>>60183444American agriculture is heavily subsidized by the government, so no. Compare with Brazil which has no subsidies, it means under a free market they would wipe you out.
>>60179301But if they buy good from US then they won't have dollars to trade with each other. So they'll have to use other currency. But why do you need to sell your goods to US then?
>>60183635The whole thing is insane and retarded, everyone was expecting a grand coalition against China yes, not this tariff the world and go to war against trade itself shit.
>>60184111>everyone was expecting a grand coalition against ChinaNow we will get a grand coalition against the USA. This is what you voted for.
>>60180315KEK
There goes any negotiationswhats the point? tariffs will remain regardlessisreal dropped their pants went 0% on everything and they got out-jewed with US wanting even more
>>60179315Access to cheap goodies is not a human right either :)
>>60183719>trade deficits buy huge amounts of us national debtAnd that does not have a relationship with how much the US government decides to spendYou can still issue bonds to whoever you like and have balanced government spending
>>60179356You know that america is the most prosperous because of the free trade and stability it offers. Trump has just destroyed that. Enjoy becoming a secondary power
>>60179301The US is a mafia state.
I can understand Trump being a retard, but not everyone around him too.
>>60179403it worked well with eggs
>>60179301I think (4) will be the standard choice. Companies will just duplicate supply chains. US companies will be forced to do the same in foreign markets, due to retaliatory tariffs. US consumers will face far higher prices than the rest of the world, since they will no longer benefit from scale and comparative advantages.In the long run, (2) will become true, since USD will be marginalized, US treasuries will be less attractive. The US will no longer be able to run sustained deficits, and once the budget deficits end, it will naturally cause the trade deficit to end (or the US to face a balance of payments crisis)
>>60179354It is a scam - perpetrated by the US on everyone else
>>60185367lel
>>60179433They already do though. A trade deficit means US is getting real goods and the other country gets our printed US dollars which we just inflate. So they already pay though inflation. This is whats so retarded about Trump. Trade deficits are GOOD, they are what make the US rich. Wanting the US to accumulate dollars which we can just print for nothing is stupid, its like a kindergarten level understanding of macroeconomics and money.
>>60183601i didnt say it was great for america faggot. But if you think that they are going to bring manufacerting back and then give it to the american worker at a fare wage you're fucking retarded. i bet you think they are just building robots and AI for funsies too dont you?
>>60179913bobo, you know we are going to see big green candles. You know it
>>60180425>we continually lose industrywhich is why all the biggest companies are US-based, right?>the gap between the rich and poor widensWhich is why you support more progressive taxation and it's enforcement, right?
>>60183719They buy the amounts of debt you're selling. Start spending less, buying less debt, and they'll buy less. Also>oh no, we get to pay for a good and they give us back the money, we're getting so ripped off!
>>60180496And you supported the party that wanted to regulate gig work and increase the bargaining rights of service workers, right?
>>60182670Is that why the tariffs kept being postponed and tweaked every other day, the "liberation day" had three different dates and he picked the formula for "reciprocal tariffs" days before announcement?
>>60182499>republicans are destroyong the country again, WHY WONT THE DEMOCRATS STOP THEM?choke on it, jack
>>60179301https://youtu.be/lxpkIVaYcfw?feature=shared&t=4
Based
>>60179898Literally impossible while USD is global reserve currency, retard
>>60187724good thing sciontology got mocked by everyone
>>60179301Option 6: dissasociate from American products, stop investing in American markets, and dont buy American treasuries. The EU is going to be doing option 6.
>>60179354Trade is bad.
>>60179992China needs USD to continue suppressing the Yuan
>>60183081Sir, sir Mr Slomomuttus. We going to have to give you another injection of copium and haloperidol. This way please.. Yes yes Dinner will be servered by the nurses at 6pm its your favorite corn with high glucose syrup seasoned with E-63, E-21 and stabilizer, we will also be having some hormone enriched chicken and I side of GMO beans.The nurse has sent our retard rehabilitation invoice to your insurance company, yes sir its $50,000 per day for treatment in our newly built American facility.
>>60180617>assets inflate>wages stagnate>”why did voters install someone to burn it all down?!?”It are mystery.
>>60183326no, its just still not how a trade deficit works. these are accounting identities, anything not consumed is by definition saved and savings are always exported, but because savings is just "the remainder after consumption" this doesnt map neatly to what we think of as personal savings or household savings. if a country has state policies to employ people producing whatever the fuck (as in the case of China) then its by definition going to have a high trade surplus but that surplus isnt even a means to an end, its a side effect of a different policy goal. likewise if you have a country that is extremely focused on production (as is the case in Germany) then it too has a high 'savings' rate because of state policies benefitting production over consumption
>>60188011Except now the wages will remain the same and inflation will get even worse.
>>60188087>consumer prices are inflationRetard. Asset prices fall and profit margins of American labor producers (workers) increase
>>60183745soon the USD will go the way of the Dutch guilder and British pound
>>60179469We've been paying for decades to make sure you people weren't broke as fuck. Mission accomplished, you're welcome. No more gibs from the US. Time to play on an even field. Don't worry after you get crushed we'll go back to handing you "special treatment."
>>60179508>They think they hold all the cards but they don't.nigga please. Only Rome has held the number of cards we have.
>>60183081I like how your response is just seethe. Sorry but Southrons are just subhuman.>>60183864This. The US is showing itself to be unstable and untrustworthy. US factory investment will at most be made for domestic US consumption and sales but not for export.>>60184094Yeah and it's entirely adapted to either use cheap labor that Trump is deporting or be entirely controlled by protectionism. It's just fucked.>>60188230Will they? Or will stock prices fall but housing prices actually rise because they are the only remaining safe investment and Trump's policies are increasing construction costs?>>60188647Rome ran a trade deficit btw.
>>60179315fpbpIt's this simpleWhy can't europoors just sell their overpriced garbage somewhere else?Their seething isn't funny anymore
>>60188824>Rome ran a trade deficit btw.With Egypt of all places. On foodstuffs and exotic animals to put in the circuses. Kind of like the USA runs a deficit to get luxury fruit and nintendo games.But Rome was never dumb enough to tariff Egypt.
>>60188647>Thread about international trade>Migatard post a F35 to gloatOh the ironing
>americans literally celebrate their government taxing them on foreign products and wanting to devalue the US dollarthis is a crazy timeline, man.
>>60180425>But we continually lose industryBecause the USA gave up those industry to pursuit other industry that make more money like services. >the gap between the rich and poor widensAnd instead of blaming the rich, the US celebrate the rich assholes and voted for them to lead your country.Think anon, how many AMerican gonna do those jobs with the pay of 3rd worlder and how that gonna solve the gap between rich and poor?
>>60182499>It's the fault of Republicans for not having anyone better than Trump.The Republicans want to win and they realized that in order to win, they don't need anything except a bunch of cultists and orange man already has a cult for himself. Any other Republicans also have cult of personality?
you will pay upyou will lose your gibsyou will die for slavsyou will be replaced
>>60188931I was actually talking about their deficit with China.
bump
>>60191631>2015The copes are running out as the markets crash in the US it seems.
>>60179999We didn't fight the war over taxes, retard. That's a joke that used to popular to the point people started taking it seriously.We faught the war because we had no representation in English government and they were doing things like abducting us to serve in the English navy. It wasn't just over taxes, that was just the most recent fuck you they gave us before we snapped.
>>60182499>No, it's the fault of Democrats for not having anyone who can beat Trump.You could've had a milquetoast New Deal-era Democrat whose most "radical" positions were giving the country a functioning health care system and maybe perhaps not letting Israel do literally whatever the fuck it wants
>>60182499bernie was polling 10% ahead of trump in swing states and 20-40% ahead of trump with undecided voters, and those numbers were climbing even higher in the early months of 2020 before the DNC closed ranks. most actual political polling places had bernie beating Trump by 5-10% (and that's even without a strong debate performance, where Bernie would have called Trump out as the retarded, corrupt buffoon he is and spoken directly to the tens of millions of working class people who only watch fox news)
>>60197151literally the only thing the GOP would have had against bernie in a race vs trump are:>he's got 3 houses! (compared with trump, who lives in a literal gilded penthouse)>he's a millionaire after being in congress for 30 years!(compared to the trump family whose net worth did a 3-5x between 2016-2020, and don't even try to hide their insider trading)there's a reason the uniparty feared bernie. he would have won easily.
>>60179865export economies purposefully make their citizens not have disposable income so they cannot afford too many locally produced good, so they get exportedit is a pick your poison type thing
>>60197740>>60197791So how did Bernie lose? I wasn't following it back then.t. Euro
>>60189012We. Are. Bored.
>>60195286"No taxation without representation" You have to use the whole quote dimwit. Previous guy was as correct as you are both parts contributed to it. Bongs were broke post 7 years war and so taxed everything they could which made you fellas upset since they ignored you. For example the bongs stopped you from settling new lands in the west which they labelled as indian reservations and off limit. Since they didnt want yet another war in the new world. Ofc things such as impressment were also an issue but taxation hits much more of the population than impressment ever could and believe it or not some people willfully got impressed.
>>60197932Bernie is an independent, first of all. He just happens to side with Democrats on most issues, but Dems are allowed to choose any Presidential candidate they feel like, regardless of voting. Trump also wanted to become Presidential candidate under the Democrats, similar to Bernie.GOP is willing to burn the house down in order to get a win, Democrats do not, they prefer controlled steadiness, not CIA funded false flag psyops every other month
>>60197932Everyone across the board from democrats to republicans to the media joined hands to make sure he didn’t win because communism. Hilariously 9 years later they actually do live in a Maoist dictatorship led by retards
>>60197932He didn't. He's been banned from running by democrats and independents/third party canditates are blocked by both the political system and US media.
>>60197791Don't underestimate how normalfags will fall for the "h-he's a communist!" shit. It's all based on vibes and delivery>>60198132>You don't need excess consumerism so be sure to hunker down for the good of the state>Loyalty badges>If stock markets go down I don't care. Fuck the capitalists who raped this countryCan't wait for America's gang of four arc. Going to be ludo.
>>60197944yeah, you had a life that was too good, and instead of enrolling in the military, you now want to see your own people suffer
>>60197932People think to too "uncompromising" and too "radical". Democrat wants boring but moderate candidate since they were trying to please everyone while Republican go for lunatics that scream the loudest and get the most media coverage. Turned out uneducated people love the latter.
>>60179433This would be like Costco if you had to return your goods for no refund after buying something.
>>60179865The words "surplus" being good and "deficit" being bad, in the context of trade mean completely different things.You have the same logic as opening a physics textbook on electromagnetism, and concluding that "positive charges" are the 'good' electricity, and "negative charges" are the 'bad' electricity.
>>60179356what allies?Trump has threatened to invade or started trade wars with all of them
>>60179993>Trump is a retardWhat else is fucking new
