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An estimated 1,300 lbs of gold is permanently removed from the supply every year due to being used as a food topping.
Central bankers tongue my anus
just keep on stackin', /pmg/
How bad of an idea would it be to dump $300k into Gold right now?
>>61197651>you can't eat itWatch me
>>61197666Meant for >>61197650
Thoughts?I'll spend some of my silver on a barret 50 cal to vaporize iqdelet once and for all.
>>61197676Florida has zero personal income tax, making this a nothing burger for the majority of people. Can it be used to pay property taxes?
>>61197664depends how long you want to hold.I'd guess it's a safe bet over a period of 30 years but who knows what it will do short term? In the past it has usually crashed a bit after mooning and then crabbed for decades
>>61197664You have amassed that much spendable money and you're asking such a retarded jeet-tier question? Ummm... larp alert?Diversify you dumb nigger, invest into physical gold, physical silver, physical platinum, and maybe some miners.
>>61197664DCA in over the next few months, maybe $50k per month for 6 months or $100k per month over 3 months.Maybe put some of that money into Silver as well.>>61197650I wonder how much of that could be recovered by processing sewage in extremely wealthy areas.
>>61197597Did somebosy say gold?
>>61197676>Thoughts?Gotta read it first....https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2025/215.986
>>61197683Jarvis, please provide a long-term chart that explains this "mooning into crabbing" cycle, circle the specific instances of this happening for decades, and then finally explain the correlation of the current bullrun to any of that.
A common misconception about "legal tender" is that they have to take gold / silver in exchange for a purchase. This is not true. Unfortunately, the seller can always to refuse to take forms of payment they don't like / want. Making this law only a cosmetic change. "Legal tender" just means you can use it to pay debts; it doesn't mean that you are guaranteed to be able to use your gold / silver to buy real estate, for example.
>>61197696They specify this in the law and say that you can use it to pay the government, but private sellers don't have to recognize it.Yes, it's more about whether or not the government takes it. The government can't refuse your pennies, because it's legal tender.
>>61197693there's only been 2 cycles of moon/dump/crab-for-decades because gold price was pegged to the dollar until ~50 years ago
>>61197676>Thoughts?First:>(1)(c) “Gold coin” means a precious metal with the chemical element of atomic number 79 in solid form, in the shape of rounds, bars, ingots, or bullion coins, which is valued for its metal content and stamped or imprinted with its weight and purity and...That seems to disqualify the US gold commemoratives that don't have any such stamps.For example...https://www.apmex.com/product/227992/1917-gold-1-00-mckinley-memorial-bu
Now it would be super duper based for there to be a law saying "you are guaranteed to be able to buy real estate with PMs" but unfortunately I don't think we'll ever see that.
>>61197708Now I must ask, what is the cycle for fiat debt instruments to crash and burn? Methinks we're near that point.
>>61197727US commems are already legal tender under fed law
>>61197731the rise of gold is the same cycle as the fall of fiatgold doesn't go up or down, fiat doesyou know that
Reminder to always check any CoinStar you happen upon. Found this today.
Uh oh, time's limited...What is the world's oldest continuously working fiat currency?Determining the *absolute* oldest continuously working fiat currency is surprisingly complex and depends on how you define "continuously working" and "fiat currency." However, **the Banco de Portugal (Portugal’s central bank)** consistently points to the **Portuguese Real (Real Português)** as the world’s oldest continuously circulating fiat currency.Here’s the breakdown of why and the complexities:* **Origin & History:** The Real was first introduced in 1809 during the Napoleonic occupation of Portugal. It was initially pegged to the Spanish Real, and over time, Portugal developed its own independent currency.
>>61197745I would be smiling for two whole days. The best thing I found in the last few weeks was a wheat penny.
>>61197761I keep getting these in change almost every day the past week. It's like someone found their grandpas old collection and started spending it.
>>61197670I think your confusion on the matter is you don't make distinctions between precious metals and numismatics.Numismatics may be made with PMs (or not), but their value is completely detached from it. Each slabbed coin you've seen posted by this anon could buy you a car, while they have an intrinsic value of like $35 a pop.Those are two entirely differents topics, one is about the purest form of money, the other is a collectable. They don't follow the same price trends, they don't have anything in common. Even if initially the numis coin was money, it's now 100% a collectable item. But on /pmg/ we allow to post about both PMs in bulk (junk, rounds, bars,...) and PMs-related collectables. Both are investments but follow differents rules. I hope that make it clear for you.
90% best %
>>61197761Just this last Wednesday, the same CoinStar yielded the equivalent of a roll & a half of nickels. That was a strange find.
>>61197741Yep, agreed. The spot price of gold doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, it's tracking the "health" of whatever fiat system we're trapped in.>>61197755>double dubsHistory doesn't repeat but it sure as Hell does rhyme. Sure, the USD has been a global reserve currency for 80 years now post Bretton Woods, but before that the Pound sterling held a "global reserve" status for MUCH longer, two centuries at least.
>>61197780war nickels? I'm wondering why they got filtered?that's pretty weird either way
>>61197797>it's tracking the "health" of whatever fiat system we're trapped in.I like you put "health" in quotesIn my experience when gold has been steady, the economy has been stagnant. So the fiat might be relatively "healthy," but only because trade has slowed to a crawl. As soon as people start making and spending more fiat, the value goes down faster. Every boom and every bust drops the value of the dollar
>>61197797>but before that the Pound sterling held a "global reserve" status for MUCH longer, two centuries at least.Average lifespan of a reserve currency has been about 94 years.
>>61197772As a leaf i mainly have 80% Canadian with some 90% u.s. But its like a 100oz Canadian junk to 25oz u.s constitutional ratio.
>>61197772I just noticed the Canadian silver dollars on the side, very nice.
>>61197664its a good idea if you dont want to hold worthless paper in a few yearsthe entire world is falling apart dudewhat are you waiting for
>>61197664>>61197847Just a little word of advice... gold is based, but silver is even more based.
>>61197839>>61197844I love the old Canadian silver. I try to snatch some up just as often as i go for old US silver. wish I had alot more
Anyone want some IQ Dalit rounds? I bought a few because they were the same as secondary generic.
>>61197797History DOES repeat. That tired quote is so fucking stupid please stop using it. Mark Twain was such an overrated cuck too but that's another story. He stayed in his aunt's cabin and had the audacity to claim he lived in the wilderness for inspiration. What a fucking douchebag. Also that quote is literally used by government shills all over YouTube and started being espoused nonstop this year. It's good goy slop. >>61197865This is true. Silver will go up far more.
>>61197865Gold is basedsilver is going to be Moon-based (the price will be based somewhere on the moon)
>>61197844>Canadian silver dollars on the sideThis is also a Canadian dollar on it's side.
>>61197664I wouldn't go all gold. Silver has more upside, and if you are buying that much you should toss in at least a tube each of platinum and palladium. With that much I would probably go 150-225 into gold (depending on what your risk level is)Then after a tube of the main plats the rest into silver. Figure 2k a coin if you buy bullion so 40k for a tube of each. Leaving you with up too 100k to gamble in the ridiculously good fundamentals silver has right now. With India going 1:10 GSR in April worst case you could always send someone with your silver and 10X it into gold in 8 mos. Just my 2 cents if you're looking at PM's. If your asking about is it dumb to buy 300k of gold, answer is only if you think things are going to improve anytime soon. If you don't see inflation going away or world peace breaking out then anytime soon then i'ld say buy all the gold you can.Gold doesn't need a dollar value. It's the ultimate shiny. Literally claimed by God in the Bible as his. It's value will always be that it's gold, not that it's worth 300k.Also, weekly reminder that every gold holder has a bigger stack than a "First World" nation.
>>61197684Probably a shitcoin holder that cashed out you fucktard. Why you think the casino crashed. Alot of flush guys that are out of their depth now that the casino is over. They where masters there but in the real world they are like babes to the slaughter. So how about you slow your fucking roll and spoon the nufags for a bit. Even if he is larping, a lot of lurkers here have the same question. >>61197664Welcome nufag. >Who has the "how to buy PM's" infographic? Can somebody post before a junior scammer rapes this guy
>>61197755Fucking checked>>61197708Fucking rekt
>>61197953for most of my life gold has been around $300 per oz.when it finally went up it then spent decades hovering around $1000$4k might be the new floor, I don't know. But gold going up bigly is a very recent thing. Last couple years is all. Since around covid.
>>61197931>I wouldn't go all gold. Silver has more upside,
>>61197772I've discovered I have only three Mercury dimes. Here are two of them.
O Canada!Our home and native land!True patriot love in all of us command.With glowing hearts we see thee rise,The True North strong and free!From far and wide,O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.God keep our land glorious and free!O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
Shall never suffer the rake
>>61197982got me beat, I have one merc
>>61197966>it then spent decadesquit being dramatic, its been less than 20 years
>>61198021more than one decade is decades
>>61197925I love seeing 90% stacks.
>>61197803No, plain ol' nickel nickels. Not even a buffalo. Just a crapload of regulars. Like I said, it was strange.
>>61197664What are your investment goals and time horizon? How big is the total portfolio?
>>61197664Put it into silver and watch it turn into $12m when JD Vance saves the world from the utter brink of destruction in his second term.
>>61198049need to figure out what threw the calibration off and then muck up the quarter weight sensor so the machine dumps out all the quarters next time
>>61198064Doubt it. Trump is gonna nuke the 22nd and become president again
Tacos are healthier than bacon and gravy with fried potatoes i guess
>>61198069It's getting talked about frequently enough now that I wouldn't be all that surprised
>>61198069he's not even going to repeal it, he's just going to ignore it. clarence thomas will sign off on anything as long as he gets more luxury vacations
>>61198069If he does, he'll probably die before too much longer. Vance is the promised messiah.
>>61197745The jewstars are so funny, like they take a percentage of everything but they're configured to not just dispense the closest money they have because...IDK it doesn't feel like it.It's peak corporate laziness when they regularly dump dollars worth of value out because nobody told them.This happens around the country millions of times a year at least, literally throwing away millions of dollars as a company because someone doesn't know what they're doing.
hard shell tacos are also fine
>>61198087putting your V nickels in with the silver has always triggered my tism
>>61198082
>>61198087How can you stand those taco shells?
>>61198103Isaiah 53:3
>>61198109those are standing taco shells. they stand up by themselfs
>>61198074ranch on tacos?
>>61198132yes. sometimes i put enough lettuce, tomato and green onions on my taco, its almost like a taco salad, so the dressing is a natural thing to add, and its nit so far removed from sour cream anyways, so its not like its weird or anything senpai
>>61198123Tacos natural place is on thier sides...disgusting...
Good evening, frens, hope you and your stacks are having a wonderful weekend.
>>61198171I helped a friend move from a kinda not great apartment he can no longer afford, to his ex-step moms basement today...It was sad.
I want it bros ;_;
>>61198160you might have the tism
>>61198192holy shit, we could make that for $12 in materials plus the cost of silver
>>61198192Stupid premium. That's a waste of dry powder.
The original.
I used to hate Franklin Halves, then I bought a roll of them and now I can't get enough of them.I used to think the design as being one of the uglier ones put on Silver, but now I see it as something that evokes nostalgia for the 50s (even though I was born decades later).I'm not sure if I have Stockholm Syndrome or if they're actually genuinely good coins.
>>61198220Who is we anon? :^)>>61198223I know I know ….just admiring
Wage,,,,,,,buy rocks,,,,,,,die,,,,,,the stacktard way,,,,lmao
>>61198235>Who is we anon? :^)meI could make that with a toy in my kid's closet and a couple bucks worth of plaster, a cardboard box, some duct tape, and a propane torch.
>>61198087The best part about this pic is the keyboard from 1992.
>>61198240>plasterCan plaster even withstand having molten Silver poured into it?
>>61198240I thought you mean out of silver but your kid must be stoked to have a handy dad like you.
>>61198240Sounds like a solid side hustle.
>>61198245isn't that anon the same one with the cherry blossom mechanical keyboard from a few years back?
>>61198248Yes, I cast in plaster fairly often. It burns the mold out but it's good for one use.>>61198250Yeah, we'd have to buy a few hundred dollars worth of silver to cast it, but silver would burn the plastic toy right out of the mold
Today I bought 1 oz gold and 90 oz of silver.
>>61198258great anon10 more oz of silver and you officially have the"barely gonna make it" starter stack.
>>61198253at those prices it would totally be worth it
>>61198214Just bustin your balls. I tried them once and hated them. Half of them were broken in the box, the ones that werent cut the shit out of my mouth. After a lifetime of eating folded taco shells, eating a right angled taco shell felt horrible and ruined that taco night. Never again....the standing up made it easier to load though...but still...fuck those shells.
>>61198248Probably the hardest part would be getting the metal up into the fins on the back. You'd need a vent hole for each fin and spike
>>61198265And you can use the earnings to buy more silver.
>>61198272If I could sell themI'm guessing there's not a ton of sales volume on something like that. I would need to sell 10 a month minimum I'd guess.
>>61198265Just recently cleared 280 oz of silver, my goal is 300 by the EOY... don't know if I can dew it Chief, my disposable FedBucks are running thin and I have a vacation planned.
>>61198263Nice, thanks.
Meant to reply to this anon >>61198263oop
>>61198278I figured but I'm curious where you're going on vacation
>>61198275>vacation1527toz of silver hereI don't go on vacationsI just save fiat to buy more silver
Are goldbacks a good idea or just a meme? I've been looking into them but I can't really figure out how well they might do.
>>61198286I buy and sell collectibles and I haven't bothered buying any. They look really cool and collectible but the premium is high and the supply is enormous. I don't think they're going to moon on the collector's market. Not like rare pokemon where the demand is huge and supply of certain cards is very small.
>>61198192I have the Trex, they're fun.>>61198223Casting statues out of silver is not cheap, anon.
My average silver per ounce cost is $24 for 600 ounces even after buying some at $48. I feel like I've done pretty good.
>>61198296>Casting statues out of silver is not cheap, anon.I would estimate the stego would take about $12 in materials other than silver, and about 2 hours labor. That's assuming we destroy the original using lost plastic method and mold off an existing plastic dinosaur toy.
>>61198292Thanks, ill probably just stick to silver or getting gold whenever I can.
>>61198306My youngest son collects goldbacks because they're cool. I think they're fun to own. I just don't expect them to turn a profit unless gold doubles. Which might happen but then you'd be better off with cheaper bullion.but yeah, they might be a decent choice if you can't buy full ounces at a time. The premium on fractions is pretty high even on bars.
what does /pmg/ think of paying premiums on fractional gold for the sake of liquidity?
>>61197780I hit a coinstar a few weeks ago and found around 20 pennies, 3 coppers. I know they’re just pennies but whats the thought process behind just walking away from all that?
>>61198320it costs very little to cut a coin up or melt it into beads. And it can be done pretty easily as you need smaller amounts.also below a certain amount you can just mine the stuff in a lot of place. Like if you need a gram of gold where I live you can just go pan the river for a few hours and get it.
>>61198326They probably didn't even notice that there was a reject slot.
>>61198282Somewhere in South America, should I do an experiment (failure) like vid related?https://youtu.be/wc7V6s564gQ?si=DcBf-NhdIHmQWKB->>61198283At a certain point there's no way to hide that much silver, you probably have ten pelican cases assembled into a mattress frame.
>>61198304You have to make the mold, spend the labor to make it, and have a furnace capable of casting it, using a lot of energy. Then you have to get out all the cast marks with sanding/sand blasting.It's guaranteed at least 2 man hours, so your $12 estimate is just ridiculous. Have you ever cast anything out of metal? It's tedious.
>>61198346>you probably have ten pelican cases assembled into a mattress frameDoesn't take up as much space as you think. Granted I also own several gun safes and have it distributed between most of them, and a few other spots. But several Pelican cases under a mattress? Not that big. Think about 5, .30 cal ammo cans in terms of space.
>>61198283You are 1% of the way to a make it stack despite living in austerity,,,,,are you even trying? Lmao wage,,,buy rocks,,,,die
>>61198357Silver really has a terrible value density when compared to gold. Yeah yeah 1:80 will go to 1:15, but in the meantime it's far easier to store 5 ozt of gold compared to 400 ozt of silver.Any of you lads swap to stacking gold over silver because of the hassle of storage?
>>61198353I use propane or MAPp to melt.The mold I'd just take a plastic toy, tape chopsticks and toothpicks for air vents and pour spout. Then pour a half inch of plaster in a cardboard box, set the toy in, and pour the rest of the plaster to cover it. Remove the chopsticks and toothpicks after the plaster hardens, wait a day for it to dry, and then melt and pour.it might take a while to file off the sprue marks, but silver is soft and I have a dremel
>>61198346Lmao no one wants his garbage rocks,,,,,baggies rekked
>>61198368And how cheaply do you value your labor to do this for $12? Perhaps you meant $12FV of 90%...
>>61198372No I'm talking the cost of the plaster and toothpicksmy time doesn't matter, but like I said I'd need to sell at least 10 per month to make it worthwhile
I keep putting off buying and the price just keeps getting higher, fuck I hate being indecisive.
>>61198378>I'm talking the cost of the plaster and toothpicksand plastic dinosaur toysthe cost of the silver would be hundreds of dollars, and the time would just be worth whatever the profit is.
>>61198378While it's admirable you can sell your labor at $0/hr, businesses cannot. Hence, a silver statue will not be a mere 110% of spot price.
I had a large piece of sterling silver I forgot about on eBay and hadn't repriced since the price of silver shot up. The scrap value for this piece is significantly higher than for what it sold. FML
>>61198388they're running higher than 100% marginsI can easily go cheaper than that. Anyone can with a bit of practice. That's about $200 per hour, assuming you can actually get the sales
>>61198283He's literally me holy shitI judge my last truck purchased based how many ounces of silver or gold it would cost
>>61198296Can I see your Rex anon?
>>61198346I've always wanted to pan in brazil or hunt emeralds in colombia. Maybe visit the galapagos or see copacabana. Hike parts of ecuador. so far I've only been to belize, guatamala, honduras and mexico. Amazing stuff down there
>>61198410Well, by all means, go ahead and try to compete with them and let me know how it goes. Hope your stuff passes a sigma test.>>61198446Here you go.
>>61198283>>61198360Interesting juxtaposition here. On a fundamental basis based on the global population who not only need a means to save money but also products to consume, the spreadsheets breaking this down reveal that it only takes 65 ounces to be in the top 20% of all silver owners and a peasily 365 ounces to be a 1%er. One thing to know about common characteristics paid shills/bots have is they constantly attack strawmen. Someone whose massive stack of 1500 ounces and IQ DELETE says it is ONLY 1% of make-it stack.This dichotomy surrounds solely on one thing: The purchasing power and integrity of the dollar. IQ is insisting the Federal government will be able to just print a free $2-3 trillion per month to balance the books and somehow everything will be fine in three years. That's not possible. These debts are exponential functions, so they get worse by the day, not better. So if IQ Delete is wrong, that means 1500 ounces is not 1% of a making it stack. It puts you in the top 0.01% PM holders on the PLANET. I'd rather have 1 ounce of silver than $1TN of a bond that will never be paid. What is the point of being repaid dollars when you know they will buy less in the future?Conclusion: Precious metals win. The poo smearing poojeet-bot can't even make a single cogent argument reguting this>word salad
>>61198474I've seen the silver one, but I wonder what it takes to be a 1% in terms of gold. Can't be more than 3 ounces.
It’s interesting looking at gold’s TA, there’s just so much buying despite the RSI being continuously off the charts almost. Only 2008 showed something similar in recent time. Many indicators say that the stock market is due for a correction/crash soon. Recently, there’s these regional banks having issues + the REPO market being almost at 0. If or when that happens holf and silver will be taken along with it. Does anyone have any opinion on how the next few months will pan out?
>>61198474Sir, that's a word steak. A juicy, delicious word steak.
>>61198472Thanks fren does he have a name?
>>61198480Stats among gold owners vs general population will give you different numbers of course. baldguymoney iirc said for gold owners it’s like 20 oz or so to be top twenty %
>>6119847410 years of pmg and no one has made it,,,,,,lmao fact is stacking is the way lazy idiots cope
>>61198472>Well, by all means, go ahead and try to compete with them and let me know how it goesyou just like to arguecasting silver is easy and fun. When I was a kid I used to mold modern quarters and then cast them in silver just to see how hard it would be to counterfeit old coins. It's something I do for fun. I went to college for dinosaur paleontology, so the Stegosaurus stenops with the parallel plates modeled after Marsh and Lull's reconstructions looks like shit to me and someone could do better.
>Jde8ifKmWe can all tell your kids got bullied in school hardbail on this thread
>>61198502Yes yes, paleontologists always say the dinosaur is all wrong.Don't you have a Spinosaurus to completely redo or something?Yeah, I like to argue, because it's just not a profitable endeavor to cast silver statues, and you will likely run into problems with ensuring the purity. However, I would love to be proven wrong.
>>61198512One of my kids was state champion in wrestling, he never got bullied that I know of. The other was homeschooled and also not bullied.sorry it bothers you that casting sculptures in metal is not particularly difficult or time consuming. It's a weird thing to get mad about.
>>61198517Timestamp posters are based.
>>61198518>you will likely run into problems with ensuring the purity.I'd be melting sterling, the purity isn't my jobthe hard part would be listing the things where they'd actually sell on a regular basis. But you bought one so there is hope.
>>61198434Sometimes I do crude calculations on how much money I threw away on booze from about 2000 to 2010 and how much metal I could have bought back then.
>>61198367>Hard to store 400 ounces of silverI'm always left wondering what makes people think this, do you all live in shoeboxes or something?That amount of silver can literally fit anywhere, like one singular safe even.I could see it getting hard if you had like 2,000 or maybe 3,000 ounces, but otherwise it's just a couple safes / ammo boxes / whatever. My 300 is literally effortless to store, the hard part is putting it where it's supposed to be instead of taking it out and touching it.
>>61198518what I mean is say we take 10 oz of .999 and melt it in a clean crucible and then pour it into a mold that contains no metal, did the purity change?because i'm guessing .999 melted and poured into a mold is still going to be at least .99same with the advertised statue. If I melt .925 in a clean crucible and pour it into a mold with no other metals, I'd expect it to still be .925 when it's done. No metals added or removed in the melt and pour.a simple assay would verify the purity, but there's no reason the purity coming out should be any different than what went in, right?
>>61198527>the purity isn't my jobIf you are selling it as sterling, yes it is.>>61198564"Hard" is a relative term. Do you disagree it's easier to store 5 oz of gold versus 400 oz of silver.But yes, fondling is fun.
> tell my close friend about gold and silver and why I buy physical> he’s afraid to buy physical gold because he’s worried it will be fake for some reason> procrastinates for months then decides to on a whim get a bunch of leveraged positions in gold when it was at its all time high recentlyLives in my head rent free recently. You would think he’s stupid maybe based on this information, but he’s a very intelligent person with a high paying job in finance.
>>61198573>Do you disagree>Hard is a relative termWeaseling out of it immediately. It's literally just a single canvas bag of junk silver that you could carry around, and that's not even .999https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmT9-q3navM
>>61198573>If you are selling it as sterling, yes it is.it's my job to verify it, but that costs $60 if I pay someone else to do it and nothing if I do it myself.and more importantly, the purity will be whatever I use for feedstock. If I melt sterling the final product will also be sterling
>>61197676I’m seriously going to look for an Indian guy taking pictures with coins on my travels and slap the shit out of that person. Doesn’t even have to be Delete
>>61198518also,>Yes yes, paleontologists always say the dinosaur is all wrong.your rex looks good to me.I could criticize the tail and legs for being a bit light but overall it's a great sculpture.
Anyways, I'm the guy who said I was gonna start buying 10 ounce bars, I changed my mind after some good fondling.There's something primal about junk silver that makes you immediately realize its value whenever you touch it, I'm only buying junk from now on and nothing else. .999 is nice and all, but it can't compete with something you can touch and play with that's also fractional and cheaper. I'd buy 1 gram coins if they were the cheapest even.
>>61198571If you are in a perfectly sterile environment and have a perfect crucible with no contaminants, sure. Granted, I have not cast silver before, but have had plenty of times casting copper, brass, and aluminum where flux was necessary.>>61198578Tell me which of these is easier to store.>>61198591<3 At least we are agreed on feathered Rexes being fake and gay.
>>61198600sameIf I can't touch it I don't want it. I'm not buying coins and bars for other people to admire. I want to hold them.
>>61198604>flux was necessary.I've never done an 8 oz pour using propane heat, but I've done 2 oz without flux before. I'd guess a big pour would just take more time if we did it dry.><3 At least we are agreed on feathered Rexes being fake and gay.I literally helped write the book on that oneI contributed to both Larson's 2008 work on wyrex and Bell et al. 2017 on rex scales vs feathers
>>61198617We have skin impressions of Rexes, right? Maddening that people will insist on large therapods being feathered.
>>61198517Sad
>>61198625Yes, there are dozens of skin patches both from wyrex and the bloody mary (dueling dinos) specimens. As well as dozens more from tarbosaurus, albertosaurus, and daspletosaurus.there are no known feathers, and lots of scales. This was acknowledged even in the yutyrannus paper. Rex didn't have feathers. We've known that for a very long time.
>>61198531In the future you will do calculations on how much you wasted on retard rocks and how much you could have spent on productive assets
>>61198408I make a lot of money buying old previously listed ebay junk. If you were selling a silver serving tray I am sorry. I also bought sterling ornaments
>>61198501It's more important to be positioned to profit from the credit crunch than to hope you survive it. We've seen this played out before so it's not a big mystery what is happening here. The debts are too big to be repaid so trade will be recalibrated against gold. If gold is what is recalibrated, silver is a leveraged play on gold. Everyone on the planet is packing millionaire tier portfolios of dollary-doos and fiat-funny-munny. I just trust that it is all hot air, temporary. The U.S. economy has not grown WITHOUT the expansion of credit since 1983. And back then your grandparents and great-grandparents used to wash their aluminum foil. They ate out getting pizza or a bucket of chicken for the family maybe once a quarter. Nowadays, people do nothing but spend their money. Did we just discover the secret to eternal wealth? No. Did we just start spending on credit nonstop?: YesWho pays for all this? Who loses when it's not repaid?! YOU! You own in it in your banks, pensions, social security, insurance, medicare, stocks and real esatate. It is ALL propped up on treasuries that say YOU owe YOURSELF X, contingent on YOU paying $200,000 per person. It's like a cow grazing out in the pasture giving away her milk all her life who ends up with a coupon that says: IOU 1 steak. Oh, Bessy, you want a steak? Just walk into that slaughterhouse and we'll get you one!
>>61198480Problem with gold is that it gets recycled / saved much more than silver, and silver was used in commonly circulating coinage, so much of the ancient gold is still around.There's probably an about equal amount of gold and silver out there because of this, also gold was mined more heavily because it had a higher cost, so it's worth even panning riverbanks for tiny dust particles of it. The scale of mining for both of them is completely different, despite the rarity differences there really isn't much difference between how much gold or silver exist above ground.Also the average person has ZERO gold, but banks and countries still hoard it, whereas the average person has at least a tiny bit of silver somewhere (in the first world)
Sharing silver...Sent this off to my sister as a Halloween gift.She likes it.
>>61198655the only people with a tiny bit of silver are old people who haven't cashed in gramma's silverware yet
>>61198657>spooky silverthat's great
>>61198666You'd be surprised, really.It might not be true for zoomers, but basically everyone 30 and older has either a piece of jewelry or some old coin in a coin jar, or at least something. The average person is actually pretty old in america, and most of them were around before chinese plastic crap flooded the market so much that now all jewelry is fake.
>>61198666I figure silver solder alone in my house is probably a pound or so refined. Then there's fillings in my teeth and silver solder in the garage and in electronics and whatever scrap I have left from making jewelry and sculptures. also the odd silver coin that shows up in change or when metal detecting. And I have a rock collection with about a pound of silver minerals. Probably several pounds of silver for a dude that doesn't even stack silver.
>>61198670>basically everyone 30 and older has either a piece of jewelry or some old coin in a coin jar, or at least something.Theyre "Unaware"s.
Gold up or down?
>>61198706The bullrun resumes this week
>>61198655true, when gold hit $4k USD I started rounding up all my scrap and mining proceeds to sell.I soon will have almost no gold in the house aside from what I or the wife wears on our persons. It's getting expensive enough to recycle and sell every molecule.silver isn't there yetbut it might soon be worth scraping and scrapping
>>61198679Be honest, when is the last time you found silver in your change?
>>61198711>Be honest, when is the last time you found silver in your change?I haven't touched paper money in almost 15 years. Everything is debit or credit or EFT or paypalso it's been a while.I do find silver coins every year with my metal detector, but those don't get sold.
>>61198709What's escrap going for per pound these days?
>>61198701>Fifth Man could be achieved in 4 years just buying 20 ounces per month>Old man could be achieved in 40 years on the same scheduleI've slowly started realizing that (if the moon doesn't happen next year) such stacks are easily achievable. I can buy 20 ounces a month at current prices, there's really not much stopping me.Don't know if I'd make it 40 years though, that might be a little too much. But 4 years? Doable I'm almost halfway there already. 500 ounces is sort of a peanut stack if the price is under 100 dollars an ounce.
>>61198706It's been crashing since pmgs biggest baggie bragged about buying silver for $109 an ounce,,,,lmao that other pmg baggies couldn't see the significance of that cringe behavior
Anyone planning on buying gold or silver to give as Christmas gifts? A few of my close friends who appreciate pm's are getting some pretty silver this year.
>>61198722Why would he buy for 2x the market price
>>61198717>What's escrap going for per pound these days?I can't sell it since china stopped buyingI've been working it myself.
>>61198727I didn't. The bot you're replying to is just using girl math.
>>61198701You still don't get it, no one wants garbage rocks except white incels,,,,lmao you were targeted specifically fir ruination
>>61198087unhinging your jaw to eat tacos is interesting
>>61198732The 401k cashout could be + from the perspective of what the anon put into it if the employer had a good match. 401ks are just a ploy to get people to not purchase assets.
>>61198074I didn't even realize Yukari anon is still around.Been a minute since I've spoken to ya, hope you're doing great.
>>61198743yeplong term the dollar is going to zeroright now a dollar is worth about what a penny was 100 years ago, and the crash is speeding up exponentially
>>61198732Smart move desu. That silver will smoke a 401k.
>>61198653Yep thats why smart and rich people don't buy silver
>>61198727Pmg is a cult of losers they all are retarded and claim you buy rocks and get free virgins free houses
>>61198743>its smart to give $12000 to the government Lmao , thanks for proving my point that all stacktards are morons
>>61198790He's off to a good start, down 59% in 2 weeks,,,,,,lmao at financial incels
>>61198823>Yep thats why smart and rich people don't buy silverSource?
>>61198830So you can never cash out your 401k? What is it you say? Work, pay into your 401k, then die?
>>61198725No bitch they will sell it for fiat. Stupid asshole with your stupid ass question.
>>61198718>Don't know if I'd make it 40 years though,Hopefully your salary/savings will increase over time, and your ability to purchase will be on a curve, not a straight line.
>>61198735The irony>You still don't get it, no one wants your garbage posts, filtered boi.
>>61198836Look at the pmg baggies, dumb and poorThese idiots all claim its smart to give the government half your retirement savings and give up a 30 year tax deferral to buy a risky volatile asset. >>61198790>>61198754>>61198743>>61198732
>>61198842>A few of my close friends who appreciate pm's are getting some pretty silver this year.>A few of my close friends who appreciate pm's>who appreciate pm'shttps://www.k12reader.com/subject/reading-skills/reading-comprehension/
>>61198856Cry more baggie and good riddance i cant help cult members i wish you would all stop responding
>>61198856Protip: Trolling outside of /b/ is a bannable offense. If the jannies become aware that someone is repeatedly trolling, they will ban them.Just sayin'
>>61197839Supposedly Canadian 80% is a more affordable way to stack silver than American 90%. Maybe that's only in the US, I don't know.
>>61198367Its not really a problem for normal people. Most people will never have 6 figures of silver.It only starts to be a problem after 2000+ Oz Average normie stacker probably has like 100 Oz
>>61198863You're poor all you do is work to feed your 401k but you never sell it to enjoy life. How sad,,,lmao!
>>61198882It is, I have a ton of it, but it's slightly harder to get than US junk.
401k baggies work and work to keep stocks pumped for the stock merchants. This is why they're all poor kektop!
>>61198888Ive been retired for 10 years fren, i got rich by not buying silver, its a dead asset that pays no rent, interest or dividends
>>61198863oh hey IQare you still alive?why?
>>61198907No you didn't, you're a poor 401k bagtard LMAO. All you do is make Wall Street stock merchants richer while you work day in and day out.
>>61198709I got 60+ lbs of ram sticks. They used to sell for $20 per lb now theyre like $40. I think i could get around an Oz of gold if it was recovered, I read that 1 kg has around 1.2g
My only work now is helping young white men get rich like me, i do it for free to give back to my people .....lmao cant help idiots that brag about giving half their 401k to the government they hate
>>61198915Unfortunately I mixed my ram sticks in with jewelry scrap and mining amalgam so I'm not sure how much gold was actually in them. I assume it's worth refining if you can get acid and gas cheap enough. For me the other gold scrap probably paid for the e-scrap
>>61198917nobody thinks you're rich
>>61198917kektop you're not rich, all your hard earnings are locked away in your 401k like a true bagtard. You worked your whole life now you will die without ever enjoying the fruit of your labor,,,LMAO
The stock merchant wants you to think you can never cash out your 401k!
>>61198923Yeah different components have varying amounts. Ram chips are very good because the ic chips have thin solid pure gold wires inside. I think motherboards go for around $5 per lb, they have other metals like platinum or something. My dad used to recover gold from e scrap, I've never done it myself. I've also got a good amount of the old ceramic cpus with the nice plating, though I think they will be worth much more as collectibles some day. I've got probably 200+ lbs of mixed boards mobos, gpus, pcie cards etc that im gonna sell because theyre way too bulky. Got maybe 100 lbs of copper I've been collecting as well
>>61198923Forgot to ask, have you ever recovered gold from gold filled jewelry?
>>61198915my problem is I don't have a fume hood in my house so I'm reacting the melt with nitric outdoors.no big deal but it's winter so my batch freezes every night. I can't bring it in the house because I don't want to die or ruin every piece of metal in the house. So every day I get up and heat my nitric in a hot water bath before putting it on the hot plate to restart the reaction. so far I've spent over a week trying to cut about an ounce of gold in almost a pound of copper. I'm not sure it'll get done this year because it's getting too cold out to run the batch.do you work IT or repair? Just curious where you get all that ram. I agree, it's probably worth thousands.
>>61198929Pmg baggots dont think at all, if they did they wouldn't buy silver for $109
>>61198955>Forgot to ask, have you ever recovered gold from gold filled jewelry?yes, about half of my current batch was GFit's low karat but probably better than e-scrap
>>61198966for once in 5 years stop being a faggot and break charactertell us honestly, how much did you lose on bayhorse? Remember me telling you to avoid junior miners?
>>61198874So you're saying we should all be just reporting him?
>>61198981How much did you lose on Bayhorse?
>>61198981see: >>61198874
>>61198987I was telling you back then not to buy silver at the peak, not to buy scam silver minersyou didn't listen to me any more than anyone listens to you
KEKTOP HE IS A POOR BAGTARD LMAO
>>61198989reporting that fag don't matter.he can't be banned any more than I can. He knows one simple trick to never being banned on 4chan.
>>61197987>in all of us commandfuck off, feminist "inclusive" tranny ruining Canada.It's "in all thy sons command" and you know it.
>I managed to snag a pre-1921 Morgan slightly below spot on Ebay today>I feel nothing, all the cheap junk Silver I've bought over the past couple weeks has made me numb to itWhy is it so hard to derive any lasting joy from stacking?
>>61198727>Why would he buy for 2x the market priceThe Jeet is using the fact that he claimed to have cashed out his 401k which had a 50% penalty and bought near the peak, so the Jeet doubled the price per oz paid.The guy will still way outperform standard equities, mutual funds, etfs so long as he holds the silver long enought. Some estimates of silver going to $330, other estimates predicting $660 (10x) over the next 10 years.>We're on the Cusp of a Historic Capital Rotation Event | Kevin Wadsworth of Northcharts & Badcharts.https://youtu.be/lUq8DTRPqEANo one can deny the basic arithmetic that the $USD is being printed to cover the government's spending deficit and to keep the Treasury bond yield under 5%, notwithstanding their crypto games where they hope to make Crypto Nerds seethe as bagholders for US debt.
>>61199018dopamine resistanceI switch between multiple rushes>get drunk>buy scratch tickets>hunt ebay for deals>fuck the neighbor girl>go metal detecting>race bmx>get drunk again>go back to ebay>text the neighbor girl>start fights at the bar>brag on 4chan>go back to ebay>buy more scratch ticketsrotate as needed
>>61198729Dissolving sterling in nitric then cementation with copper scrap?
>>61199032parting gold/silver with copper and then dissolving in nitric to get gold, followed by cementation to recover silver. Finally cementation of copper with iron pipe and then neutralize and dump
>>61199014Some of the lads have created a physical activity group called "All Thy Sons". Much seething from the government and the ninnies.
>>61199036Nice, getting three separations of marketable commodities using only one reagent.
>>61199049yep.I have cyanide, sulfuric, sodium hydroxide, and hydrochloric on hand but nitric is the easiest small batch process I've found so far.
>>61199030>dopamine resistanceYou're probably right, it also isn't helped by how nearly all of my Silver just sits in a box and does nothing.Maybe I should get back into video games since I never really built up dopamine resistance to those, but then I'd end up sticking my head into the sand financially again and get caught off guard when the USD finally collapses.
>>61198995>reporting that fag don't matter.I've read reports that people have been banned for reporting IQJeet. His relationship with the Mods/Jannies seemes to be like the Antifa relationship with the Portland police.
>>61198969Do you have to do anything different to recover it or is it the same process as gold plated circuit boards?
>>61199049only problem I have is silver cementation with copper results in some copper precipitating in the mixI'll probably end up using electrolysis to get the last bit of copper out of the silver. But mostly I'm after gold so that's a step for another time.
>>61199056I've been playing totk and botw. I do love my switch>>61199059he might or might not be our janny. Doesn't matter though. I've seen him banned a few times over the years but it's not going to stop him.Mental illness can't be banned>>61199061My current batch is contaminated with several grams of mercury so that added a whole nuther dimensionbut mercury cements out like silver so I just need to roast my silver cement to recover mercury. I have a retort built so it should be fine. Alternative is redisolving cement mercury with ammonia but that's more dangerous than retorting
>>61199061but yeah, noGF and e-scrap have the same process as long as the GF doesn't have anything funky like zinc, tin, antimony, lead, whatever.the GF I'm currently running was copper and silver, so it was easy to process
>>61199061part of that is choosing the batchif I have GF with nickel or zinc or something I just don't toss it in the mix. Weird stuff gets pulled out and either sold to someone else or processed separately
>>61199082of course with e-scrap you got lots of weird shit, but if all you're after is gold that's easy. Just hit with nitric or sodium cyanide and then get your gold via sedimentation or precipitation with zincdump the rest of the metal down the drain and call it a day
>>61199090>dump the rest of the metal down the drain and call it a daybut then that's why we lose tons of copper, silver, and plat groups every year.
>>61198958Oh yeah, thats why I havent tried to do it i dont want to mess with the fumes and chemicals.My dad stopped doing it when the acid leaked through his bottle and totally messed up a whole cabinet with everything. He used to do it outside and eould tell us not to go out there. >where do I get it I dont work in IT, im basically a reseller of all kinds of stuff, so I get anything if its the right price, the ram and cpu I've accumulated over many years, i buy stuff to scrap if its below the price they pay. I've came across a whole lot of old computers and e waste junk, some boomers will literally pay you to get rid of their stuff. Kinda wish I had a recycling business, a lot of retro computer stuff is very valuable nowadays. I also have a big network of people who sell / resell stuff to eschother like bulk dealers, i know a guy who has a lot of e scrap but he eould probably want more than what the scrapyards pay. I would post pics but I have the stuff at my moms, I'll get pics of it sometime. I originally wanted to sell it years ago but now I feel like just saving it as a gold investment, maybe one day I'll get the motivation to refine it
>>61198887>Average normie stacker probably has like 100 OzHey that's me
>>61199096>some boomers will literally pay you to get rid of their stuff.that's one of my businesses>Kinda wish I had a recycling business, a lot of retro computer stuff is very valuable nowadays.if you get big enough in the US the EPA and OSHA will drain any profit you might makeI own a recycling company. I lose money most years. It's a tax write off for my other projects.
>>61199096>I originally wanted to sell it years ago but now I feel like just saving it as a gold investment, maybe one day I'll get the motivation to refine italso I agreeI've been sitting on ram motherboards and cpu's for 20 years now. They're finally worth working with. Gold doesn't go bad and it doesn't go away
>>61199096also a bit curious where you store 200+lbs of boards?that's a lot of volume. I have a garage and a vacant lot. But that's a lot even for me
>>61199079It dissolves everything? Most gold filled jewelry seems to be copper or brass usually. Seems underrated because from my understanding, if you have 100g of 1/12 gf it has 12g of pure in it.. thats much better than e scrap. Most gold filled seems to be old stuff, from back when gold was cheap so they used a lot of it You can probably buy it on ebay and be profitable if you have a smooth system.
>>61199101I know some metal scrappers who make good money just hauling free shit away from people. >>61199113Well I have it in my moms garage, I dont think 200 lbs is that much, I have them in those reusable shopping tote style bags, maybe like 10 of them with each weight somewhere around 20 lbs. I dont have just the clesn boards stripped if that's what you thought, im talking about just a bunch of pc parts, so the motherboards have all the heat sinks and metal parts. All the gpus have the heatsinks and casing, those old 900 series gpus probably weigh over 2 lbs each. I know people usually process the stuff and strip away all the metal parts and chips. Im not gonna do that because its very toxic, thats what the jeets in India do, they desolder everything off of the boards inhaling toxic fumes
>>61199123all the GF I had was trash from bank deposit boxes and foreclosure house trash-outs.I don't have a steady source, just a small pile I saved up over the years. But yes, much better than e-scrap. Most of the gold I get is from panning and mining. I got a couple ounces just this summer from crushing rocks. That's where the mercury came from. Processing concentrates from gold ore I collected.
>>61199145ok that makes sense. I might have 100lbs of laptops and cell phones in the garage but that's probably less than 10lbs sorted. and yeah, nitric dissolves almost everything but you have to mess with concentrations of both the metal and the acids. e.g. to get rid of lead I have to dilute the acid and heat itor to separate gold from copper I have to melt it and add more copperthere's math involved but it's easy enough to guestimate. Like for gold I want it to be less than 1/4 of the mix so I add copper or silver unti it's the right alloy to treat.fumes and burns are a hazard but I have lots of good PPE because of my work. I do environmental work for mining and industry so I have respirators and tyveks and such
>>61199149I've seen gf lots sell on ebay for pretty cheap. >panning Thats awesome, would be nice to be able to live in the woods panning and live the life of an 1800s miner. Sadly I got way too demoralized for panning, I've gone on several trips to northern California snd spent days doing backbreaking labor only to end up with a few cents of gold. Being able to just go and pull tax free money out of the ground is a surreal concept when compared with the modern world
>>61199166cali is rich but all claimed upI'm in colorado where there's less gold but it's usually legal to mine. At current prices I could move into the woods and easily make $4-$6k per month, but I do enjoy my jacuzzi bathtub and glass top stove. Also of course tv and internets. I don't expect this will last though. Every time gold goes up like this wages follow soon after. Right now $6k per month is good pay but in a year it won't be minimum wage again.
>>61199160Yeah I've got a bunch of cell phones and sim cards too though they dont seem to be very popular for US recyclers because of the amount of work needed to strip them, whenever i would sell lots of them, usually jeets and Africans would buy them, idk if Africans bought them to use them but i do know there's a huge underground industry of africans shipping electronics from US to Africa for the sole purpose of recycling them. I know one of them and he buys pallets of broken tvs, stereos, monitors etc. I saw a documentary about it and they even burn wires in big landfills just for a bit of copper and the worker get paid like $0.50 per day. So a bunch of stuff is only profitable to recover in places like that for dirt cheap labor. Anyways im off to bed anon, I'll catch you in some future thread. Take care
>>61199173>20849 sample cellonly millionaires and college students will know this bottle
>>61199181pleasure to meet someone that speaks my tonguegood night anon
Is there a quick and easy way to verify the authenticity of gold/silver that anyone can do without special equipment?
>>61199173>Right now $6k per month is good pay but in a year it won't be minimum wage again.Proof that reading this incel blog makes you dumberThey read this shit and then think its a good idea to give the government half your money and pay $109 fir sn ounce of silver
>>61199193how much did you lose on junior miners bro?I get paid to clean up when junior miners go bankrupt. I work for newmont and freeport and grupo and anglo and thyssen. how much have you lost paying my wages you silly little stockholder?
>>61199191mmhh no?
>>61199014>>61199041ok I'm just a burger... not a Leaf.i didn't know there was a problem with the Canadian anthem.Jesus fucking Christ, cant even make a simple casual reference to a national anthem with old Canadian coins without triggering some flame war over trannies?
>>61199219>OH TRANNADA!
>>61199215Then why not just stack fake silver/gold for the great economic collapse?
>>61199191Assuming the weight of the piece is what it says:For silver there's the combination of the ping test, magnet test, and calculating the weight/volume. Usually doing the ping test and magnet test, and then very closely comparing the piece with photos of a known authentic piece to make sure they're the same is enough.For gold, I don't know. Weight/volume and comparing the piece with authentic examples is a good start, but gold-dipped tungsten-core fakes exist for easily counterfeit bullion like simple poured bars or common bullion coins lacking security features.Security features on coins and some bars are your friend here. It's a huge pain in the ass and very expensive to counterfeit newer Canadian maples and Royal Mint Britannias, for example. I've seen fakes of both RCM 10oz silver bars and RM 100g silver bars, but they were easy to spot if you simply compared them to photos or a real bar and they also failed the ping test. I've also seen faked Scottsdale bars that looked a look closer to authentic bars because the authentic bar's design isn't terribly complex or detailed. The counterfeits still weren't perfect, though.If you plan on doing private trades and buys in the wild without an XRF analyzer, having a scale, calipers, loupe and lots of photos or a collection of authentic examples at home with which to familiarize yourself is necessary. Every coin or bullion dealer will have an XRF. Most pawn shops do, too. If a pawn shop says they don't have one or they don't let you see the piece analyzed don't buy it. Also, being familiar with different assay packaging is often necessary when buying gold in plastic. These can be faked, too, but honestly counterfeiters seem to be worse at faking plastic security packaging than coins and bars. 99.9% of counterfeiters are targeting dumb people and noobs, so if you learn in depth about the authentic item you think you're buying beforehand you're far, far less likely to get scammed.
>>61199191If you have a mass produced coin with known dimensions, weight and purity you should be able to tell by pinging it. This works for basically all Gold and Silver coins and probably works for a lot of Silver rounds assuming they adhere to a standard size.Brass, lead, tungsten and other metals used in forgeries sound nothing like Gold and Silver.The only issue is that you may need a reference for what certain coins sound like.
>>61199233Great economic collapse =/= caveman timesBooks, scales, calipers, experience, hardness tests, ping tests, comparing against example pieces - this shit has been around for 2500 years. In a collapse, however, it will be a lot harder and more expensive to source, say, tungsten for faking gold. Also, counterfeiters would be tortured and shot instead of fed and housed for a year or two. It would be in the interests of both buyers and sellers to make damn sure the coins or bars they were trading with weren't going to get their hands and genitals chopped off before getting blinded.In all likely reality, XRF analyzers, electricity, and the internet would still exist. These things exist in the poorest fucking places in the world, they still exist in nations that have collapsed politically or economically multiple times. If they don't, we're back to manually checking like the Medici. They got along alright.
>>61199252based. Same mindset works in Prophex where people trade conviction on verified outcomes, unlike older prediction setups that still feel like blind bets.
>>61199209Lmao the wagie wants to know if I'm his boss
>>61199233I want to add something to my reply here >>61199274In the event of a major, history changing collapse faking well-known coins or bars with genuine gold or silver counterfeits would be a thing if the public developed a preferrence for certain coins or bars. This happened during certain periods in ancient Greece and Rome, and in medieval times. The fakes were real silver or real gold, because merchants preferred coins of a certain nation or type the favored coins had more buying power than the exact same amount of pure gold or silver. So, enterprising traders and merchants would strike their own counterfeits from less popular coins or from mined gold and silver. Personally, in a world where gold and silver are the primary form of money I'd have no problem accepting a silver round that had been restruck to make a decent counterfeit silver eagle if it pinged the same, weighed the same, looked the same, and melted the same. It's not getting my hands chopped off, and if it means a truck full of fuel costs 38 coins instead of 40 then great.
