Welcome to the /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.XMR payments are anonymous, low-fee, and fully fungible. Users can send and receive XMR globally without having to worry about tainted coins. Battle-tested privacy tech (Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses and RingCT) ensures that critical TX data cannot be gleaned from the Monero blockchain; the TX history of all XMR users is kept hidden, with TXs being optionally transparent via the aid of a view key.XMR ensures low TX fees by employing a dynamic (elastic) block size that can "stretch" to easily accommodate sudden TX spikes.XMR's mining algorithm, RandomX, is optimized for devices using general-purpose CPUs e.g. desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets, keeping the barrier to entry low and ASICs out of the equation.XMR's tail emission - 0.6 XMR per block forever - incentivizes for-profit miners to keep mining, helping boost long-term network security. This constant linear inflation trends to zero and is offset by coin loss.XMR has proven to be the only altcoin capable of overcoming BTC's network effect by driving it out of the darknet economy BTC dominated for over 10 years. XMR is also starting to overtake BTC in clearnet commerce as well.If you still have questions, feel free to ask. A MoneroChad will be with you shortly.XMR Redpill: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4BUY XMR: https://monero.eco/exchanges/Crypto ATMs: https://coinatmradar.com/XMR Resources: https://monero.observer/resources/XMR Stats: https://moneroj.netUSE XMR: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://getmonero.orgMINING: https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/mining/WALLETS:>DesktopOfficial GUI/CLI walletFeatherwallet>MobileCakewalletMonero.com walletMonerujo (Android only)>Infodumpshttps://rentry.org/monero-explainedhttps://moneroinfodump.neocities.org Previous: >>61234254
tldr: another shitcoin not neededprivacy exists on the only real blockchain - BTC, for ones that know how (coinjoin and more)
>Is mining profitable?>Why should I mine?See: https://moneroj.net/hashvsprice/This chart shows that mining makes XMR more valuable by making the network more secure and more expensive to attack. If you have an interest in increasing the value of XMR, consider mining.>Poolshttps://miningpoolstats.stream/moneroNote: qubic.org is a malicious pool that does NOT payout in XMR.>Reddithttps://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining>CPU benchmarkshttps://xmrig.com/benchmark>Profit calculator https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculatorNote: the hash rates on xmrig.com are more accurate >I'm rich and want a dedicated mining device Antminer X5Hashrate: 212000 H/sPower draw: 1350 WCost: ~$2800, Doesn't include shipping costsHashes per $: ~70By far the most powerful miner on the market. There's no official bitmain support for this device; you're on your own for updates/repairs>I'm poor and want a dedicated mining deviceMINISFORUM 795S7Hashrate: 19250 H/sPower draw: 142 WCost: $607 shipped Hashes per $: 32As of 2025 it's the best bang for your buck. No room for upgrades, though.>On P2PoolMining in P2Pool is easier than ever with Gupax:1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)3. Launch Gupax4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, or your own node6. Start P2Pool7. Start XMRigVIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/>DUE TO BOTNETS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!>Can I use my GPU too?Yes. MoneroOcean mines GPU-shitcoins, sells them, and pays you out in XMR. To get started, visit the help page on:https://moneroocean.stream/>IF MINING ON MONEROOCEAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING MO-XMRig TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS
Remember, the value of any currency is in it's acceptance.>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!https://monerica.com/https://xmrbazaar.com/https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on>Shop on Amazon with XMR! https://monezon.comhttps://peershop.app>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)https://cakepay.com/>or with CoinCardshttps://coincards.com/>Monero stickers for guerilla marketinghttp://monerosupplies.com/>Anonymous burner phone numbershttps://silent.link/>Monero-only VPS hostinghttps://kyun.host/>Win XMR!https://monero.vegas/>Darknet vendors for more exotic goods and services # = recently launched, exercise caution>Alias Market #>Asur Market>Babylon #>Calypso #>Candy Haven #>Chimera Market >Cloud Market >Cypher Market>Dark Matter>DrugHub # >DrugTown #>Drugula #>FilthyFellas>Gofish Market #>Gramazon #>Hectate Market #>Mercury Market #>Pygmalion's Refuge >Retro Market >Smackers>Sonanza Market #>Squid Market>SuperMarket #>Tribe Seuss>Whales Market #>Wizard's Palace #>World Trade Center #Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNiAnonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service>Infinity Projecthttps://pastebin.com/raw/pbCycXsCor a reputable clearnet servicehttps://trocador.apphttps://orangefren.comhttps://eigenwallet.orghttps://basicswapdex.comOr retoswap, an XMR-centric fork of Bisqhttps://retoswap.com/>Want to support further development? https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/https://monerofund.org/>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/>Want more organic Monero-chan? https://www.monerochan.art/
>>61294634Go get your exchange account flagged, faggot
>>61294886>Go get your exchange account flagged, faggotyou got ALL exchange accounts always flagged by using moNEGRO at all, you dumb niggerkek what a loserinstead bitcoin plays the winning game, carefully subverst the powers that be without getting in their face
>>61295052>carefully subverst the powers that be without getting in their faceSubverting to the powers that be by kneeling and sucking on their giant Cock Of Compliance
DOOMPA
>>61295161what are you talking about you big retard>I use some popular terms to get anons to buy my shitcoin
>>61294634>for ones that know howdigital cash everyone!
>>61295052>carefully subverst the powers that be without getting in their facesure you are ;) hey did you see the new SAYLORASSET2351?
>>61295298monero-chan assets deflating
>>61294634
>>61295298still looking good to me
how do we convince these niggas to take monero
>>61295298just wait till the orange man stimmy checks arrive
>>61295872send emails asking but also you can use trocador as a swap and payment method>https://trocador.app/en/anonpay
>>61295872Shill payment processors that work with XMRFrom what I've read vendors don't take XMR because they've been told it's too hard. In reality there's plenty of plug-n-play solutions these days and more in the works.https://monero.eco/payments/
>>61294629suggestion to addhttps://kycnot.me/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmrto the op link list
>>61295052>>instead bitcoin plays the winning game, carefully subverst the powers that be without getting in their facekek subvert the Establishment while relying on it to not hurt you in the process, fucking genius.
MyMonero closing, what's up with that?
>>61296546>https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1nzq8p1/announcement_mymonero_is_sunsetting_stewardship/>After a decade of service, we believe it's time for the ecosystem to move toward more decentralized solutions. Light wallets requiring view keys are increasingly at odds with Monero's privacy evolution. We'd rather sunset gracefully and hand the reins to a fantastic successor than compromise on privacy. -FluffyPony
>>61295872Did you ask them
reporting in
https://youtu.be/Khr3Jo4CrcMNew Monerokon Talk dropped
>>61298892Where fcmp
when dex guys im sick of waiting, i wanna be able to trade memecoins and MONERO at the same time
>>61299358Trocador.app is closest youll get to meme coins and xmr trading ATM. Serai is just gonna be ETH/btc/xmr, retoswap takes crypto-crypto but i doubt youll fond any who want fartcoin for xmr
What are the odds another CEX like Tradeogre that doesn't care about KYC gets popular?
Thank you anons for the trocador recommendation. Swapping is so comfy.
I like monero but its too centralized with a dev team. Same issue with bitcoin core node software to be fair currently.
>>61294629thats like $400
can the officila wallet be used as a light client so you dont need to download the whole blockchain?
>>61302293price for 1 xmr>>61302304yes, put it in simple mode with remote client
>>61302270retard
>>61302270>I like monero but its too centralized with a dev team
bump
>>61302270we literally just got done telling luke parker to fuck off with the finality layer.
wownero is the google+ of crypto
>>61303152It inspired lucky transactions though, which I hope get implemented Soon™
monero broshow do we get humanity to accept responsibility ?how do we get people to become the main agents of their own lives ?how can "self-custody" even be a thing, if the average joe and jane think they can just call their local bank branch and have their money returned in case of a password breach.how can this realistically work?monero (and other crypto) require the user to self-custody to really use the asset's potential, but this means taking responsibility in an age where people are seeking less and less responsibility. in the age of socialism we want to let every important aspect of our lives to be managed by a third-party that the consensus (feminine) dictate. the status quo is that we're all helpless and big government or big church or big dissident is here to save us!how can you make these people even understand the advantages of using monero?is there anyone here who thinks about these things and imagine scenarios where things would go well or not?
Monerujo vs Cake Wallet for android? Monerujo keeps on freezing on my device.
>>61304313you can get teh monero.com wallet if youre just gonna need xmr/btc and skip cake wallet which has a bunch of other clunk on it>https://monero.com/wallets
>>61303648We don't. Cucks are gonna cuck. The goal is to make it easier for Chads to Chad so their cucked friends get cucked less as a second order effect. XMRchat is a recent example of Chads helping their cucked friends cut their YouJude fees from 30% to ~2%.
What do /XMR/ think of Zano?
>>61305067Premine + PoS
>>61302461>>61302662>>61303152Its a centralized shitcoin sadly. I wish satoshi made bitcoin more private but it is what it is.
>>61305571>Its a centralized shitcoin sadly.Irrelevant opinion is irrelevant
>>61303648Crypto will never has mass adoption. Accept this. Normies don't want to be their own bank and assume all the risks inherent to self-custody. Nor are they ever going to accept losing the many consumer protections that come baked into tradfi payments.The only scenario where millions of normies are using XMR on a regular basis is the one where they're forced to, where shopping with XMR on digital grey markets gives them something they can't get anywhere else. Just like how normies right now are using Tor, PGP and XMR for DNM shopping only because they're forced to. If it was up to them, they'd be buying blow with PayPal over the clearnet.
>>61303605>lucky transactionsspoon feed please
>>61305630Its not an opinion. Any coin with one "dev team" will never truly be decentralized
What’s the name of that asian guy that has video presentations on XMR? Or if anyone has a link to his videos that’d be great.
>>61306115There are actually zero "dev teams" because each of the devs operate largely independently and frequently disagree about major changes such as the finality layer recently
>>61306115>one "dev team"There is no singular dev team, numbskull.
>>61306440>>61306468Tell me more about it. Where is the repo? I would like to look around the code
I used a hardware wallet to create a Monero GUI wallet and saved the primary address. I then wiped the HW wallet. Now, when I access the GUI with the same HW wallet it has a different primary address. Is that normal?
>>61307115git gudhttps://github.com/monero-project/monero
>>61294629Been a while since I used monero, what's the current (if any) way to convert XMR to BTC away from exchanges
>>61306290Nvm found him. It’s Dr. Daniel Kim.
>>61307636Nvm I’m retarded
>>61305989https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/145TLDR: an attacker would need to have 51% more hashpower and 51% more lucky transactions than the honest chain to 51% attack.
>>61306440Does this mean that anyone can propose a consensus change? Or just hand selected devs?
>>61309700Anyone can propose an issue in the Github and everyone will see it. Good proposals will get attention/comments from the major devs. You can also petition the CCS for funding so that you can build and test your proposal. If there's sufficient support for it you can get paid to improve Monero.https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues?page=1https://ccs.getmonero.org/
>>61307846trocador.app- online swapretoswap.com- desktop p2p client like bisqkycnot.me- list of non kyc services
>>61309793>Monero is decentralized >gatekept by Microsoft
>>61310806>what are git mirrorshttps://git.hackliberty.org/Git-Mirrors/monero
>>61294629will i make it with 3 XMR
>>61295723kek now this is quality
>>61305989Doesn't it basically allow someone to pull off a chain reorg with less than 51% as long as they can tx a lot old coins on their reorged chain?I'm just trying to understand... I personally think PoW is the only way forward, fuck PoS or Proof-of-TXing-Old-Coins, but it seems to me like lucky transactions are basically a small step away from PoW. If that small step away from PoW is supposedly good and makes attacks harder, why not take a huge step away from it?
>>61314199>>61314199>Doesn't it basically allow someone to pull off a chain reorg with less than 51% as long as they can tx a lot old coins on their reorged chain?'a lot' in this case means more than all honest users combined. See >>61309376And pic rel.If we assume that the 24H volume on CMC is correct and ~500k XMR are traded back and forth every day, an attacker with 40% hash power would need to control ~338k of those XMR to do a 51% attack.
Can someone address this FUD for me? I think I remember someone bringing this sort of stuff up months ago but I don’t remember what the answer wasFCMP will introduce outgoing view keys to Monero, which when combined with the existing incoming view keys will provide a complete view key set for the first time. They will obviously be optional, and default opt-in.In my opinion, the creation of these view keys will allow CEXes to relist Monero, because for the first time it makes them even have a possibility of auditing Monero. Obviously exchanges will mandate the use of view keys if they list it. Assuming this is true, here’s the FUD:1) won’t these view keys be a very substantial part of moneros transactions, since they’ll likely take place on CEXes, thereby creating significant heuristic analysis possibilities?2) how is this functionally any different than Zcash at that point? You’ll still be required to take your coins off exchanges to enjoy the privacy benefits. 3) doesn’t this undermine a lot of the credibility Monero has built up over the years for being “banned by exchanges”?4) how will you differentiate the coin from zcash in a future where Monero is listed on exchanges (therefore compliant), the majority of transactions are probably transparent, and users need to take specific steps to get privacyThank you for reading my FUD
>>61316162CEXs will not relist Monero, the threat posed by XMR will persist so delistings will only continue. There is no future for legit privacy coins on KYC'd platforms.
>>61312444>disclosing the amount of Monero you ownNGMI
>>61315437>would need to control ~338k of those XMR to do a 51% attack.That's just loose cash for a government like US or china.
>>61316372The point is that FCMP outgoing view keys make Monero less of a threat so long as CEXes can force their users to provide the keys.
>>61315437Understood, but two questions:1) Wouldn't liquidity providers and coin swappers be able to get that amount of XMR quite easily? What about darknet markets? Have all those moved away from custodial wallets or do they keep XMR for escrow that they could use for a 51%?2) If accumulating 338k XMR is harder than accumulating 51% of the hashing power, wouldn't a system based ONLY on lucky transactions be better than any mixed system where the hashing power is basically discounting the impact of lucky transactions?If I understand correctly: it's not that you'll need BOTH 51% hash and 51% lucky transactions, it's going to be a mixture where if you have say 90% of the hash then you need almost no lucky transactions to do the re-org and conversely if you have 90% of the lucky transactions you need almost no hashing power. I don't know if the mixture is linear or if there's a way to weight some power of each so that you need a more balanced mix to win... Or am I wrong and perhaps the best chain is the one which has the best min(hashpower,luckytxs)? I should go read the spec in more detail.
>>61316372What if they list it to intentionally damage it though?
>>61317528I’m reading more about the outgoing view keys in the biz archives. Apparently it won’t sacrifice anonymity even to the exchange, but it will show how much and when XMR enters or leaves a wallet (not the other party). So exchanges will theoretically be okay with that because it gives them enough info to tax them and audit for governments. So that resolves the heuristic concern and is different from t addresses in zcash. It will still be a similar argument to normies though, you’re going to have to encourage leaving CEXes ASAP which is what ztrash shills will probably say also.
>>61317216Irrelevant, the ultimate point is that governments don't want people using credible privacy tools, especially the kind that enable the bypassing of capital controls. That's the cost of being a badass cypherpunk technology - you get mad street cred but become a public enemy in the eyes of the Establishment.>>61317528>What if they list it to intentionally damage it though?The reputational damage from CEXs listings isn't down to the listings themselves, its down to the shameless regulator dick sucking and compromises made to get there. See ZEC.>>61317590>So exchanges will theoretically be okay with that because it gives them enough info to tax them and audit for governments.Exchanges will do what they are told. The soft ban on XMR in Japan, South Korea and Australia was all down to governmental pressure.Do not get your hopes up, the CEX delistings will only continue. Focus instead on growing DEX liquidity because eventually DEXs are all we'll have left. But in the long run, that will make Monero immune to liquidity attacks while everything else will remain at the mercy of Daddy Gubmint and therefore decentralized in name only.
>>61316162These questions all assume that the community will accept the terms of the exchanges. If they don't and go the way of the DEX then it won't matter. If normies fall for it and get told by OGs to immediately sweep to an uncompromised address, then it also won't matter.>>61317515Your questions are probably the reason why tevador started the proposal with the idea that it probably shouldn't be implemented. I'm actually not sure if a finality layer is even needed, but I'd much rather lucky transactions than PoS, even if the PoS pays nothing for finalizing blocks.I also wonder if it's even needed if we go with Share or Perish {https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/146} instead
posting monero chan in the monero thread
>>61318672Patriot
No coiner here, will I make it if I give a few hundred dollars to Monero chan?
>>61320297Why not work for some XMR instead? You'll get some coins and you'll help those coins be worth more since you're helping the economy built around them.
>>61320591Where can I work for xmr
what happeend to wownero i just found out it got removed from coinmarket cap and its delisted or some shit
would using Trocador to swap USDT to Monero in Binance flag me or something
>>61320607Open a shop on XmrBazaar and sell goods or services.
>>61320653i would keep my monero segregated from my other activities, but you do you.
>>61320297No but your few hundred will appreciate at about the same rate as gold.
View keys will kill Monero Hope you’re prepared for complete surveillance
How do I trade my Monero for (clean) Bitcoin? I am trying to use Kraken but I don't have any utility bills in my name so I can't verify the address.
If opt-in privacy is bad, why is opt-in surveillance good?
monegro = monero+NIGGER for those who don't know
>>61323524are you a real monigga ?
>>61323489>opt-in surveillanceOpt-in transparency, faggot. And its good because certain scenarios may require post-TX auditability. And its considered the gold standard for privacy-minded app design because it eliminates the possibility of user misconfiguration, don't matter which wallet you use or how you configure it, accidentally making a transparent TX remains impossible. This has been explained to the ZEC trannies over and over and over again for fucking years yet they insist on keeping the transparent pool around. CEX listings matter most, apparently.
>>61323599>certain scenarios may require post-TX auditabilityLike what?
>>61323599>CEX listingsOutgoing view keys puts CEX listings back on the table for Monero. Which (other than price/liquidity) is not good for XMR. Why wouldn’t all CEXes require view keys? They will. Okay, so why wouldn’t that create a network of exchange-XMR vs non-exchange-XMR, aka the eradication of fungibility and the creation of heuristic chainalysis?
Guys, please, how do I get ETH or LTC or something for a bit of XMR? I have all my savings in XMR and I need rent money. I am already verified at one exchange but they don't deal with XMR.
>>61323611>Like what?- a dev fund/charity proving legitimate use of funds- business accounting for those that wish to declare income- auditing of DAO treasuries>>61323634>Outgoing view keys puts CEX listings back on the table for Monero.No they don't. CEX delistings are purely the result of governmental hostility towards credible privacy tech. Which is only going to escalate in future as the war on E2EE heats up.Thus view keys nothwithstanding, Monero is on course for universal CEX shitcanning by decade's end. Prepare accordingly.
>>61323648>Guys, please, how do I get ETH or LTC or something for a bit of XMR?Trocador.
>>61323648OH NO NO NO NO
>>61323715It's 100% safe? And which crypto would be the safest to exchange into? I know Bitcoins can sometimes be "tainted". Is Litecoin better?
>>61323648trocador as other anon said but you can also just sell that xmr for cash via retoswapi sell for zelle personally, straight to the bank acc and im only ever doing small sells so it doesnt trigger anything
>>61323791>trocador as other anon said but you can also just sell that xmr for cash via retoswapDoes it work for EU citizens? I don't have Zelle. I just have a bank account. I can accept a wire transfer.
>>61323782>It's 100% safe? It's run by the guys behind Monerujo so I'd say its pretty damn safe.>And which crypto would be the safest to exchange into? I know Bitcoins can sometimes be "tainted". Is Litecoin better?Good thinking. Generally, the more widely used a snitchcoin is the more likely it is to have been tainted. So anything other than BTC will lower that risk for you. LTC, BCH, DASH should be fine.
>>61323830Thanks. I'm going to try a small transaction to start out.
While I'm charging my laptop (dedicated crypto device) downloaded Retoswap/Haveno. Now I'm setting up an account, it gave me the following warning:>"All bank transfers come with chargeback risks".I've never heard about this before. Buyers can take their money back from my account after I've gotten them?
>>61323830>Good thinking. Generally, the more widely used a snitchcoin is the more likely it is to have been tainted.I see they have USDC and USDT as well. Wouldn't this probably be the best?
>>61323707>credible privacy tech.Are you able to follow along with what the issue is? I’m claiming that with view keys Monero is no longer “credible privacy tech” as far as CEXes are concerned.Your argument shouldn’t hinge on what exchanges decide to do. That’s completely out of our control. If they want to buy a bag and list XMR they can. The point is what do THEY see Monero as after FCMP/view keys. If they think it’s compliant enough they’ll list it.I want to see an argument that says “there is no information available in the outgoing view keys that would allow even an exchange with millions of users to perform heuristic analysis or compromise privacy/fungibility”If all we can say is muh exchanges will fall in line that’s no argument at all.
>>61323634>Why wouldn’t all CEXes require view keys?Off the top of my head:-An exchange might not want to provide their own view key to prove funds and not list the coin anyway-An exchange might not want to deal with the community backlash from demanding view keys from customers-A competing exchange that doesn't demand view keys will pop up eventually and steal customers. Most likely Kucoin since they're behind almost all instant swap liquidity anyways
>>61323919>An exchange might not want to provide their own view key to prove funds and not list the coin anywayMaybe>An exchange might not want to deal with the community backlash from demanding view keys from customersThey don’t care about that kek>A competing exchange that doesn't demand view keys will pop up eventually and steal customers. Most likely Kucoin since they're behind almost all instant swap liquidity anywaysIf they don’t demand view keys then Monero is just as listable as it is now (it’s not listable)
>>61323945>If they don’t demand view keys then Monero is just as listable as it is now (it’s not listable)It's listed on exchanges right now though
>>61324100Don’t really care about Kraken and a few others. They’re just outliers. The obvious trend is that Monero is not legally listable on an exchange virtually anywhere. I’m okay with that!
>>61323895>I see they have USDC and USDT as well. Wouldn't this probably be the best?Yeah, that'll work. Just be aware that stablecoin funds can be frozen and that USDT is likely backed by hot air. Liquidate ASAP.>>61323904>I’m claiming that with view keys Monero is no longer “credible privacy tech” as far as CEXes are concerned.What CEXs think about Monero is irrelevant since they're being pressured or outright ordered to keep Monero unavailable.>If they think it’s compliant enough they’ll list it.Only if they are allowed to. Which I wouldn't bet on. Its not in the interest of Orwellian-minded governments that Monero and other privacy tools proliferate.You're just going to have to accept that the era of effortless on/off ramping is coming to an end.
>>61324250You literally ignore everything I am saying. I don’t give a fuck about “effortless on/off ramping”. You can’t focus on a specific issue.
>>61323904>I want to see an argument that says “there is no information available in the outgoing view keys that would allow even an exchange with millions of users to perform heuristic analysis or compromise privacy/fungibility”No, because there isn't one. Your concern trolling can be boiled down to 'but guys people can tell you to use it wrong in order to use their services!' and doesn't break the privacy of the protocol. The fact is that OVKs would provide the same information that your main address + view key + transaction keys woud. If you want to see what this looks like in real life see: https://moonstoneresearch.com/2023/11/03/Postmortem-of-Monero-CCS-HackYes this is kinda scary, but consider the following:-these 'attacks' are purely voluntary. No one can force you to give this info to exchanges-even with all this info it can still can lead to false positives (pic rel)-it doesn't work on addresses+keys not in their database. Those of us using uncompromised wallets can continue not giving a fuck about what BS companies and exchanges do-exchanges can already demand the things that would make Monero traceable to this extent by BS companies, sell this very valuable data to them for a profit, and they're not doing it. Making it easier doesn't really change anything. This raises questions, but that's a whole other topic.In short, Monero can't help you if you use it wrong. This will still be the case with FCMP++CARROT
>>61324590>No one can force you to give this info to exchangesExchanges can and will> exchanges can already demand the things that would make Monero traceable to this extent by BS companiesExplain what they can demand right now >sell this very valuable data to them for a profit, and they're not doing it.Nobody cares about selling it really, it’s more about being required to acquire it for government purposes> In short, Monero can't help you if you use it wrong.How is this any different from the zcash model? We’re in exactly the same position of telling people you need to take everything off exchanges to have privacy and then do everything right to keep it.I would much rather have no exchange listings at all. I hope the CARROT addresses don’t effectively enable relistings.
>>61324747>Exchanges can and willCool, show me an exchange demanding view keys and transaction keys>Explain what they can demand right nowThey can demand you send them your main address, view key, and any transaction keys associated with the enotes you're sending them>How is this any different from the zcash model?The ztrash model is "zcash can't help you unless you use it right.">We’re in exactly the same position of telling people you need to take everything off exchanges to have privacy and then do everything right to keep it.The reason why a lot of the community wanted XMR off the exchanges had almost nothing to do with privacy.
>>61323818reto has many options, wire and sepa are there too>https://haveno.markets/
>>61294629Mandatory "Don't forget about wownero post"You know the deal niggers. If you already denounce the Talmud then you'll need 1-10k wownero to make it. Let the jew bankers know that we're here to stay.
what is up my monegroes
I clearly remember this going up to $470 why does it say $420 was the last top now?
>>61326993zoom in niggacharts use the daily close price not the peaks
Why is Monero pumping so hard right now? Z bros on suicide watch?
>>61297281based
>>61327310Do you work at the Denver post office or something?
>>61327091The market never closes.
>>61323648>need rent moneyWhy not try to sell directly for fiat on XMRbazaar or retoswap? If that's not an option, then your fastest option is probably XMR > BTC > cashapp/some othwr custodial service > fiat
If I buy bitcoin with a KYC exchange and then I use that bitcoin to buy monero does that make me private or am I still fucked?
>>61327617you're removing your presence from traditional financethey can't prove shittake out loans and buy moneroirsniggers get fuckedthey can't prove shit
>>61303648>how do we get humanity to accept responsibility ?Never, 33% lack a soul and 33% lack a spirit from birth>>61304592>We don't. Cucks are gonna cuck. The goal is to make it easier for Chads to Chad so their cucked friends get cucked less as a second order effect. XMRchat is a recent example of Chads helping their cucked friends cut their YouJude fees from 30% to ~2%.this
>>61327617Depends what you do next. If you buy $123 of BTC then swap into $123 of XMR and remain inside the Monero ecosystem, you're fine.If you buy $123 of BTC then swap into $123 of XMR but then swap back to $123 of BTC, you may get flagged for "privacy seeking behavior" and more closely scrutinized.
>>61316162>1) won’t these view keys be a very substantial part of moneros transactions, since they’ll likely take place on CEXes, thereby creating significant heuristic analysis possibilities?Stealth addresses still make the receiver anonymous, and CEX cannot determine where the money is going using onchain data. They cannot even determine if the money is spent by the receiver or not.The plaintext address (4abcxxxx/8abcxxxx) you specify as the receiver, is not even visible on the blockchain. And the actual stealth addresses onchain are used ONE-time, they cannot be associated with any other spends unless they have the private view keys of that wallet.You can make a different wallet, if you choose to rape your wallet, just make a new one.>2) how is this functionally any different than Zcash at that point? You’ll still be required to take your coins off exchanges to enjoy the privacy benefits.Zcash still leak all transactions by default.FCMP makes sender-privacy on-par with ZEC in that it writes proof that the sender could be any of the outputs in the chain but without relying on scam-trusted-setups.>3) doesn’t this undermine a lot of the credibility Monero has built up over the years for being “banned by exchanges”?Monero wasn’t banned because it was impossible to audit. It was banned because regulators demanded full traceability, not optional transparency.
>>61328279informative post anon
>>61294629Monerolet here. How scaleable is Monero? Wouldn't the blockchain bloat of Monero make scaling this as a wide spread medium of exchange difficult? It's the only thing putting me off XMR.
>>61328541Let's say for agument's sake:You got 0.4 XMR from selling drugs, then you withdrew 1.5 XMR from KuCoin, and after that you just use your wallet normally.If you let KuCoin rape your wallet with view keys (incoming + outgoing), this is basically all they can see:Tx1: Received 0.4 XMR (sender unknown)Tx2: Received 1.5 XMR (this KuCoin’s withdrawal to you)Tx3: Received 1.3 XMR (sender unknown)Tx4: Spent 0.2 XMR (destination hidden / stealth address)With those keys, KuCoin can look inside your wallet only. They can see every output that your wallet received and which of your outputs you later spent. They can also confirm that Tx2 was their own withdrawal to you, because they already know that transaction ID and your incoming view key proves the output belongs to your wallet. They can also calculate what your balance should be.But this visibility ends entirely at the boundary of your wallet. They still have no idea who sent you Tx1 or Tx3. They can’t tell who you sent Tx4 to, because the destination is always a one-time stealth address. They can’t follow your coins after they leave your wallet. They can’t link any of your outputs to anyone else on-chain. Nothing on the blockchain becomes transparent just because you gave them keys; everything outside your wallet stays fully hidden exactly like before.So if Tx1 was drug money, KuCoin has no way to know who paid you or what the payment was for. And if Tx2 was their withdrawal to you, that’s literally the only transaction they can “unmask,” and only because they were the sender. Once those coins leave your wallet again, they lose the trail completely.It’s basically the same as auditing someone who deals in cash: you can verify the totals inside their drawer, but you can’t trace where any particular bill came from or where it goes once it’s spent.
is monero having an exit pump?
>>61328658It is more scalabe than btc if real privacy was built on top of it today.Even so such questions are not rational or in good faith. Since xmr can handle much more than it currently can and no crypto will replace debit cards en. mass.In the event that it did, there would be much money in it that it would fund furthrr inivation. As an ad hock solution that monero fliped btc today x10. At a million folar a coin, you could use specialised wallets as fix.
>>61323883Yes, PayPal also has a chance of that happening which usually causes it to be more expensive to use PayPal for p2p
>>61329241It's not a bad faith argument. I think eventually when weimar inflation returns, I think people a lot of people will be inclined to have money which cannot be printed from a central bank.BTC while not private can be scaled with L2's even if it has the problem of no incentives for mining in the future.
>>61328658It's pretty scalable. But dont expect 10,000 TPS. Even if XMR price were to reach into the $10,000, and transaction count ballooned 10x, mining interest would also go up, and you would still be paying cents to the dollar in fees.
>>61329409Pic related. XMR was flooded with txes in 2024, but it didnt DDOS the chain whatsoever
is monero quantum resistant or community devs working on making it so?
>>61329460Its next on the agenda after FCMP++.
>>61329623would be a good idea to post this on the quantum spam threads kek.
>>61329460Soon™https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/151
He actually posted this lol.
>>61330010Maybe he needs Monero
>>61327617it means kikes know you have something in crypto but they wont be able to see what or where without going to your house and arrested you for avoiding their kiked surveillance grid which is why all sorts of internet-deanonymizing laws are being passed right now in western nations by rabid kikes
Question! Is $420 the new $350?
>>61330820$400 is more accurate, but $420 is LMAO420
We are catching up to BTC circa 2014.
>>61330847
Just a 2.3x from top 10 monerobros.
>>61328999More like an entry pump!
Are the commies finally out? I see the price is showing some signs of wide adoption. We need to ensure monero is used as a store of value, since governments are closing in to steal money from investors. In France they are imposing a 60% tax over the ownership of bitcoin. Imagine that, it is not even over trading, just ownership. If monero price goes up, people will adopt it and governments will have a hard time stealing money from free men.
>50% of XMR CEX volume is on Kucoin>45% of ZEC CEX volume is on Binance (34%) and Coinbase (11%)What did they mean by this?
Scamdump ZECnigger shills selling because we don’t have paid influencers and CIA Harvard test tube freak twins
>>61294629I just booted up my laptop with the Monero GUI wallet (first time in a couple of years). Do I need to update it to the latest version? Also, I dont have enough space to download the blockchain, even the pruned version will probably take days, is there a remote node I can use?Otherwise, is there a better wallet I can use that is faster?
>>61333324Go feather wallet, you can connect to a Tor remote node and skip the block chain download
>>61333347>Go feather wallet, you can connect to a Tor remote node and skip the block chain downloadOk, how do I find a remote node on Tor? What if I just connect with my home network (no tor, no vpn etc)? All I will expose is my IP address anyway, right? Cause Im moving next month.
>>61333356You can choose your remote node in the wallet, i usually pick a Tor nodeDandelion++ doesnt leak your IP built into monero so not really a problem
>>61333432Ok thank you.
>>61333513you can find it in the network settings
>>61333324You can run the GUI wallet it in simple mode, which allows you to connect to a remote node.
Monero stronk
These generals used to move a lot faster.
So how much are we going to NGU when FCMP and Serai release? I want to swap my BTC but not get fucked by the current exchange rates
Posting mandatory Wownero reminder.Buy Wownero you niggers. 10k coins to make it.
>>61335683The bakecels retreated and are now hibernating for 17 years
>>61336117A lot!
> I FUCKED MYSELF IN THE ASS!https://x.com/TheBTCTherapist/status/1990238478257541538Newfags need to cold steel.
>>61336679Honestly man i don't trust those companies to not eventually leak your address and make you a target
>>61336679wtf man, I have my seed from 2009 and is still in my Linux PC, I migrate nine times of hardware
How am I supposed to migrate from MyMonero when the site is down? Not cool.
>>61337393https://docs.cakewallet.com/tutorials/mymonero/
>>61337397All good now, site is back online.
based XMR chads
>>61335683These generals never moved fast
>>61336679The Trezor is a guaranteed way to lose your XMR in future hardforks after they decide to drop support for Monero.
>>61339001How you figure that? You'll always have your seed.
>>61336689Heh. Ledger already crossed that redline with their "Ledger Recover". A user is only two court orders on the custodians from the state cleaning their wallet for "muh taxes". Trezor currently hasn't breached such things.
>>61339254Ledger gave his keys to law enforcement? How did they get the keys? I dont get it
Monegro's tagline would be snitches get stitches Based nigga coin
>>61339277>checkednot picrel. Just showing how the state can compel with court orders. Now with Ledger Recover the sneedphrase is divided to 3 entities, only needing two to recover. Send two court orders, the state has your seed phrase.
>>61339001>>61339193There are tools to derive your xmr seed phrase from your bip39/slip10 trezor phrase online if needed. Also, xmr devs have always worked well with trezor, knowing the importance of efficient code.
>>61339001if you have the seed phrase you can recover your monero wallet without the actual trezor device. it's a phython script which you can find on trezor's github repo.
>>61336679>cold steelA set of metal stamps + 24 stainless steel washers + a 2" bolt + 2 nuts is roughly $20If you want to get fancy, a 3" black pipe with 2 end caps will run you another $10
>>61327617after you get to monero there is nothing. most private way to acquire monero is to mine it.
>>61340033
Problem?
>>61342399>2020why do you post that
>>61342399I can't find proofs but allegedly they completely dropped support for Monero this year
>>61342596It's just a happy 5-year (((chainalysis))) tracing and compliance™ anniversary to our zcash and dash bros. Problem?
>>61342596here you go
>>61342969>>61342596this is a really good rundown of how zcash can still be traced even with the orchard and halo upgrades>https://encrypthos.com/question/can-chain-analysis-techniques-effectively-deanonymize-zcash-shielded-transactions-despite-zk-snarks
>>61342969>>61342977it's AI
>>61343166prove it wrong
Goddam! why won't it drop with the rest of the market? I want to buy cheapies!!Kinda impressive desu.
will we ever go back to $500?
Now everyone pretends like $400 is nothing.
>>61342969Being a monero holder is so unbelievably comfy. The competition is made up of scams, feds, and frauds. Monero will win the privacy race in the end because it is the only privacy coin in a sea of frauds and larpers.>unrelated noteI've created a Monero discord (server is called Monero's Dawn). Where I am data mining all important info regarding Monero and adding a P2P trade service. To anyone interested disc invite code is : VvZaEVM5
>>61323611There's a reason some of the oldest writing humans have (Sumer) are receipts chiseled into stone.Gotta be able to prove you paid someone.
>>61344056Not joining your honeypot fuck off.
>Not joining your honeypot fuck off.Unfortunate, you seem schizophrenic enough to have some lit information sources
>uses monero>trusts discord with your communications data
If the price falls below $400 in the next 12 hours I'm going to say that people are only using XMR as some kind of tax free exit strategy only and not holding.
>>61344331I can smell the cookies you are baking in the oven, bakecel-kun. Anyways, monero is for everyone, including people on discord. Monero isn't just for smelly nerds communicating with each other through their self-hosted, open source, tor-enabled XMPP server...
>>61344507>Anyways, monero is for everyone, including people on discordNo. Monero devs use Matrix/IRC. Discord is jewish israeli spyware
>>61344689Ah yes. Monero should only be used by sweaty nerds that can use IRC.
>>61344853People will eventually know about monero. Making a monero discord is pretty much the WORST thing you can do, maybe only after a KYC AML monero exchange.
>>61344056>data mining all important info regarding MoneroSuch as?>>61344689>>61344331>>61345620If discord trannies want to set up a P2P HRT exchange with XMR I see zero reason why we should stop them
>>61345620With mods installed you can e2e encrypt PMs on discord, but overall I agree that snitchcord probably isnt the best way to do a p2p market but can see how it would be pretty popular quickly because people are fucking lazy and dont wanna download/learn something new And if discord w/ cash app was fast they would dive straight for it
>>61344689matrix is literal Israeli software
>>61344128Don't transaction keys already allow for that?
>saw monerochan go up to $0.01 by a huge percentage a few days agidamn it, i missed the flow.
I guess I'm stuck using monerujo because cake wallet sync fucking sucks
>>61346448Monero.com syncs faster than cakeMonfluo syncs the fastest out of all the mobile wallets I've tried. It's a barebones fork of monerujohttps://codeberg.org/acx/monfluo/
This isn’t really FUD just a practical question that I don’t see a way around Let’s say you have a decent stack of Monero. Let’s say it moons. $10k XMR everyone is celebrating. Like most people who become wealthy in crypto, you’ll probably want to quit your job and enjoy your new station in life.Unfortunately, Monero provides literally zero yield or cash flow from holding it and still isn’t accepted by 99.999% of locations worldwide, including things you need to live like rent, food, and hotels if you want to enjoy your newfound freedom. Sorry I don’t live near those 20 supermarkets in Switzerland that take it!!!What do you do at that point? Maybe you decide to sell a portion of your bag, stick it in a bank account or boomerinvestment account and get your hopefully 10% return and live off that. You’ll be taxed, that will cut into your stackHOPEFULLY you’re in a jurisdiction where it’s even legal to own XMR. Maybe there won’t be many of those left by the time it’s $10k…….Even if you successfully get it into a traditional bank account —-WAIT—- the year is 2027 and AI is even crazier. The bank tells you after 15 different angry customer service calls “We actually ran a scan of your past activity and it turns out that deposit you made with us last year came from a BTC/XMR atomic swap service and we’re not allowed to touch any assets that have ever interacted with XMR. Therefore your account is permanently frozen and we can’t allow you to transfer it”Literally even if you make it in XMR it will become a nuclear asset to hold, and AI will be able to find out that you have a connection to it and permaban you from the economy.
>>61336679>>61336679Write a small poemMake a small veracrypt volume encrypted with the poemEvery day open the veracrypt volume with the poemAfter a year you will never forget the poemPut your keys in the volumePut the volume in your proton drive or even your google driveHaving that poem plus veracrypt is immensely powerful. It's like a magic spell. Start today.
>>61347005This is the most retarded FUD I have ever read from a bitcoin maxipad. Not only won't any of that happen, most of it literally cannot.
>>61347005>What do you do at that point? Retoswap p2p to a stablecoin to hold valueSwap back to xmr when neededSell xmr p2p for fiat or prepaid cardNo bank acc, no tax, no worries
>>61347083These dipshits really think that a fiat bank acc and CEX are the only way to sell. its no wonder why they dont venture to anything not being forcefed to them with insane fees
>>61346330Did it? I still have a bag but lost track. Having CryptoBear behind it gives it the credibility other memecoins seriously lack.
>>61347005This is why having a parallel economy is so critical. No need to cash out if you can spend directly or through an unregulated middleman.If it makes you feel better, the vast majority of BTC baggies won't be able to cash out their paper gains either. Doomed by math.
>>61347098>fiat Cash is essentially banned already >or prepaid card“Hold on let me pay rent in a new card every month”>No bank acc, no tax, no worriesNo bank account because you literally CANT get one, as my post indicated.
>>61347005The simplest way is to launder your money with your money. Everything that can be paid for with a gift card should be til you've earned enough 'clean' money to throw into stonks/realest state/a bidness/etc. it shouldn't take you more than a year or two to earn your stack from your day job now that your expenses are largely paid for
I'm doing my part
>>61347567Very niceBut>459 h/s>mainSwitch to P2Pool - nano.Better yet, use Gupaxx.https://youtu.be/8_MOQHYRE1chttps://github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx
I used Trocador and OrangeFren to exchange some XMR into ETH. Once the ETH landed in my metamask wallet, it clearly showed ETH, but it also said "Unverified token". Why? Is it not real ETH? I have since sent these to an exchange (to get fiat for them) and now they're asking me to prove where they came from.
>>61347098>Sell xmr p2p for fiat or prepaid cardWhich websites/apps are the best for this?
After creating an offer on Retoswap, do I send the crypto to the "trade wallet address"? I have to send the whole amount Im sending + 50%. Is this correct?
Hey so I messed up. I posted an offer on Retoswap with Wise but Im not using my actual Wise email-adress. So how will I get the money? Can I delete the offer?
>>61347308BTC won’t be banned because it isn’t private. So yes they can and will and have cashed out. >>61347430That’s literally the same as not making it in crypto kek. So this whole time I was shoving my savings into single use gift cards to cover everyday expenses and nothing substantial like a house or even rent?
>>61348793In your scenario where you think the AI deep state confiscates all your XMR the second you try to put it into a tradfi account while the IRS taxes you 90% unrealized gains or whatever the fuck, yes you'll be stuck trading your XMR for gift cards. You'll also be royalty in the underground serfdom in this scenario; FWTDHWATQADs and all.Did you want a happier ending or something?
>>61348793>BTC won’t be banned because it isn’t private. So yes they can and will and have cashed out.Its not a question of legality. Its a question of liquidity. Like ZEC, BTC's price action is so obviously manipulated and fraudulent that only a handful of overall baggies can actually cash out given the ponzi math involved.
Are all XMR effectively "tainted"? Basically like tainted Bitcoins, but all of Monero.Like can I show a CEX that the Bitcoins I sent them were originally purchased with XMR? Are they going to steal my coins then?
>>61348085>ETHOof. Do you remember which swap service you selected on trocador? They might be able to provide some information >"Unverified token".Apparently this means that the ETH you received was from a contract that metamask and/or their third party affiliates isn't keeping track of. >I have since sent these to an exchange (to get fiat for them) and now they're asking me to prove where they came from.What does the exchange want to know?>>61349003>Are all XMR effectively "tainted"?Depends on the exchange. For example, changenow is infamous for doing Shotgun KYC and straight up stealing your XMR because reasons
>>61349548>Oof. Do you remember which swap service you selected on trocador?Yes, I've used various ones. Exolix, Pegasus and one more. All of them show up as "unverified tokens". But I assume this will be fine. Hope so.>What does the exchange want to know?They want proof of where the money came from. Originally I bought the XMR on Binance, like 5 years ago, with fiat. But Binance only provides transaction data spanning 6 months. So not sure how I'm going to be able to prove anything.
>>61336679Anyone has the picture m for Monero in digital?
>>61348887>Did you want a happier ending or something?Yes, in fact I did.>>61348976>Its not a question of legality.It literally is a question of legality since that was the premise of the question I asked. But if you want to use (X_statement) as a reason to go on a tirade about how there’s no liquidity for any bitcoin seller (like you always do) then have at it.
>>61349681>It literally is a question of legality since that was the premise of the questionI specifically mentioned how its the math that makes it impossible for most ZEC or BTC baggies to cash out. And I didn't say nobody can cash out, just that most won't be able to due to the zero sum nature of the game. A handful of winners, a majority of losers. Getting butthurt about the math not working is your right but it still doesn't change the reality of the situation.
>>61349718Nobody cares about this topic you try to shoehorn into every conversation. I wasn’t asking about anything remotely related to this and yet here you are again talking about it. Fuck off.
>>61349729Why so triggered about mathematical reality?
>>61349739Maybe check my original post here >>61347005 and realize that I asked literally nothing about selling liquidity you autistic fucking retard
>>61349748>tries to make the case for XMR being a pointless hold>gets butthurt about being reminded that math dooms most BTC/ZEC holders
>>61349769>can't answer a simple question>bring up random shit insteadOk
>>61349777Not random. I was relativizing your original assertion that realizing XMR profits is highly problematic if not damn near impossible.
>>61349681>Yes, in fact I did.Monero by itself won't help you get the good end you want.If you want to be able to use Monero without being blacklisted by tradfi, then it starts with understanding that lawyers and lobbyists are needed to fight it out in the courts, not a DEX or FCMP++. If you're a Burger then there's not a better time to do this since the Chevron Deference was overturned; dumb arguments like "b-but FinCEN said so!" aren't valid anymore.
>>61349833I didn’t “assert” anything I asked a question.>>61350105>the state is going to legalize technologies that undermine its power I just don’t believe that.
>>61349621This?
>>61349606I know its too late in this scenario,But this is exactly what retoswap and other p2p markets eliminate
>>61349606>They want proof of where the money came from. Originally I bought the XMR on Binance, like 5 years ago, with fiat. But Binance only provides transaction data spanning 6 months. So not sure how I'm going to be able to prove anything.i am not a lawyer or a financial advisor, and I haven't used a CEX since Kucoin adopted KYCIt seems like the only option you have is to tell the truth. If you have the original deposit/withdrawal info in your wallet/email /whatever than I'd just use those to prove a paper trail. Don't expect to get your money back; exchanges can be as honest or as scummy as they want
>>61350280>>the state is going to legalize technologies that undermine its power >I just don’t believe that.It doesn't always have a choice. See the drama that unfolded with Phil Zimmerman and PGP.
>>61348573>Hey so I messed up. I posted an offer on Retoswap with Wise but Im not using my actual Wise email-adress. So how will I get the money? Can I delete the offer?best privacy dex out there right now is houdiniswap
>>61350655>But this is exactly what retoswap and other p2p markets eliminateIve tried dealing on retoswap but god damn is it slow or what?
>>61350661Imagine getting rugged by an exchange and then letting those people live.
Zcash won...But really, whats up with Zcash's price action
Down we go
>>61351116https://www.dlnews.com/articles/markets/winklevoss-twins-bet-on-zcash-with-new-treasury-firm/Celebrities threw some money at it.It's still not private or anything though.
Is there a way to swap monero with other crypto and vice-versa using atomic swaps? last time i checked, it was a pain in the ass and with some chances to lose your cypto.if there isn't, will there be in the next big upgrade?>>61351116some whale buying, but its absolutely a coordinated action, not organic growth.
it's fucking over
>>61351610Why did Monero pump while Bitcoin was dumping? Keep in mind, unlike Zcash, Monero is carefully never spoken of on the television or news sites. Hell they even avoid using its name when it enables some crazy ransom.So why did it go opposite the rest of the market for days?
>>61351264Eigenwallet for BTC, decent liquidity Axeswap for BCH, zero liquidityThorchain integration is comingTheoretically LTC atomic swaps should be possible but no one's done it yetAtonic swaps in general will be much cleaner because FCMP enables payment channels, which simplifies a lot of things
>>61351654Typical monero copeYou just want to get rich quick, privacy is just the excuse you use to tell yourself that monero not being known is actually a good thingMonero will never do a 20x in mere weeks
(((>>61351820)))oy veyzhekel go up
>>61350844it can bethe 2 bottle necks are the network send time(especially it qshit is working hard) and seller reaction time
>>61351789>Theoretically LTC atomic swaps should be possible but no one's done it yetBasicSwapDEX has done LTC atomic swaps but it requires to download full nodes of the blockchains of the coins you want to swap, which is pretty redundand and not user-friendly.However, BasicSwapDEX intends to bring atomic swaps for LTC to Nexus Wallet (mobile wallet level), the devs are working on it.
>>61350280>I didn’t “assert” anything I asked a question."Just asking a question" Oh please, your entire post is a low-key polemic on XMR ownership.>>61351116>Zcash won...What has Zcash "won" exactly? It's still a pariah within the most consequential privacy/opesc circles, with the current pump actually making things even worse since its obviously inorganic nature is now raising suspicions about glowie involvement. Go see for yourself, its actually kinda hilarious - the more ZEC is wash traded the worse its reputation gets and it was already in the shitter to begin with.>But really, whats up with Zcash's price actionAs always, market manipulation. A couple of whales wash trading while hyping things up on Twitter to drive FOMO results in a nice pump but it belies the reality that actual demand for ZEC as a privacy tool remains as negligible as it has always been. Once that realization kicks in, the hype will evaporate and baggies will panic sell back to insignificance as is crypto tradition.
>>61352841I accept your admission that you can’t answer my question.
>>61352941Already did>>61347308>This is why having a parallel economy is so critical. No need to cash out if you can spend directly or through an unregulated middleman.
>>61353003That’s not an answer to my question.
>>61353009Yes it is.>>61347005>What do you do at that point?You spend it directly on goods or services. Problem?
>>61351246>>61351264>>61352536>>61352841Had you put your pride aside you would be up over 10x with zcash lolYou too can break free from what people parrot to eachother
>>61353059>you would be up over 10x with zcash lolPaper crypto gains aren't real tho.
>>61353021>Problem?Yes, you haven’t provided any way to obtain necessary living needs. How will you buy a house? How will you buy a car? How about rent? Are you going to use a new gift card every month? What if your landlord thinks that’s sketchy and wants to evict? What if he only takes checks or bank wires? What if things like food apps flag and ban your account because you’ve changed your payment method 87 times in one month?What if visa and mastercard catch onto this whole schtick and make changes to the gift card ecosystem that renders this impossible?Maybe you should be upfront with people that the only thing Monero can really buy is every day goods and services, and only then with gift cards kek. The 2 or 3 homes available on xmrbazaar is not a retort to this, by the way.
>>61353068Cope
>>61353085Wait, did you actually expect governments are going to cooperate with the dismantling of their monopoly on payments?!>>61353128>CopeHow predictable.
>>61353138No I expected the resourceful Monero community to have a recommendation about how to get a portion of your bag back into the real world so that you can afford basic living needs without having any way an AI can flag your bank account 2 years from now and ban you from the economy.That’s what I expected.
>>61312444The only amount of Monero is an unknown amount.
XMR is nice but don't I still need to buy something else I can atomic swap to XMR? I mine already, but I can't reasonably mine all the monero I want to use. I still need to jump through all the hoops to buy BTC or something without KYC
>>61353155Then you're a fucking moron.Access to "the real world" aka the mainstream tradfi system is permissioned, plain and simple. Unless you have a way of literally forcing governments into opening up the gates (you don't) then you're going to remain shut out.That said, there will probably emerge various cash out schemes that may enable liquidation into larger amounts of fiat but this will always be some cloak and dagger type shit and you'll never be able to cash out to a bank account directly.Get this through your thick skull: governments HATE credible privacy tools and they especially hate those that enable unrestricted monetary transacting. Therefore, Monero is seen as a public enemy and you should expect it to be treated as such, with ever greater hostility.Most of us here understood this when we signed up, seems you're a little slower on the uptake.
>>61353059>10x with zcash10x? Wow, congrats.Just don't forget that Chainalysis is also happy for (You).>Dash and Zcash allow users to conduct transactions with greater privacy, but that doesn’t mean they provide total anonymity. The two cryptocurrencies’ privacy features — both in how they’re built as well as how they’re used in the real world — leave room for government agencies, law enforcement investigators, and compliance professionals to investigate suspicious or illicit activity and maintain compliance. With Chainalysis product’s support, cryptocurrency exchanges and businesses are now able to incorporate Dash and Zcash into their compliance programs.https://www.chainalysis.com/blog/introducing-investigations-compliance-support-for-privacy-coins/
>>61353159>don't I still need to buy something else I can atomic swap to XMR?You can send fiat to Strike and have them send BTC to trocador. You never buy BTC so no need to worry about taxes.
>>61294629can i mint monero and use that money to fund my prophex wallet huh?
I gotta say, Monero is pretty comfy. Retoswap/Haveno works really well.
>>61353159Haveno. Pay with bank transfer.
>>61353664>Retoswap/Haveno works really well.SeraiDEX will be even more noob friendly.
>>61353155You were told how to do this and are still shitting up the thread with your concern trolling. If you want to move part of your bag into tradfi to pay for things like rent:1) sell XMR for xyz (fiat on retoswap, gift cards on coincards, gold on moneymetals, etc) and figure out how to pay your landlord yourself2) hire an attorney that specializes in crypto to walk you through the process of cleaning your money 'the right way' so you can pay your landlord 3) hire an attorney that specializes in crypto to make a case that gets the laws changed so you can pay your landlordIf you're too cowardly to do 1, too poor to do 2, or too poor and cowardly to do 3, then you shouldn't have invested in XMR, let alone any cryptocurrency. Just buy VOO or something.
>>61353255You keep acting like I’m under some delusion about how Monero will be treated by the law. I’m not. I’ve literally said it’s going to be outlawed multiple times. You’re not able to keep your personal beliefs out of any comment you make. Someone could ask what is 2+2 and you’ll tell them that BTC holders can’t get liquidity for their sells. Really man get some fucking help. >>61354228> 1) sell XMR for xyz (fiat on retoswap, gift cards on coincards, gold on moneymetals, etc) and figure out how to pay your landlord yourselfAnd I’ve explained why this is a shitty answer.>2) hire an attorney that specializes in crypto to walk you through the process of cleaning your money 'the right way' so you can pay your landlordThis is what I’m interested in. Do you not know the answer?
>>61354427>This is what I’m interested in. Are you an attorney that specializes in crypto that can walk me through the process of cleaning my money 'the right way' FOR FREE ON 4CHAN so I can pay my landlord?No
>>61354427>You keep acting like I’m under some delusion about how Monero will be treated by the law. I’m not. I’ve literally said it’s going to be outlawed multiple times.You literally expect the Monero community to work miracles: >I expected the resourceful Monero community to have a recommendation about how to get a portion of your bag back into the real world so that you can afford basic living needs without having any way an AI can flag your bank account 2 years from now and ban you from the economy.Make up your mind.>BTC holders can’t get liquidity for their sellsSimilar hurdle. One is legalistic, the other is mathematical. Relativization, see?>>61354427>And I’ve explained why this is a shitty answer.You don't like the answer but its the only plausible one given the circumstances.
>>61354535We both know you’re pretending to paywall these answers because you don’t have them.>>61354622>RelativizationFunny word for bringing up irrelevant shit. Sorry that you consider actually living life while Monero slowly creates a counter-economy to be “working a miracle”.
>>61355107>We both know you’re pretending to paywall these answers because you're not an attorney that specializes in crypto that can walk me through the process of cleaning my money 'the right way' FOR FREE ON 4CHAN so I can pay my landlordCorrect. You got me, fren. Congratulations.Maybe one of these guys can answer your questions for freehttps://monerica.com/businesses/legal-serviceshttps://monerica.com/businesses/accounting
>>61355107>Funny word for bringing up irrelevant shit. Sorry that you consider actually living life while Monero slowly creates a counter-economy to be “working a miracle”.Your delusional expectation that the community can somehow magically compel governments to welcome Monero back into the fold while also somehow convincing banks to not flag accounts tied to XMR trading is literally expecting a miracle.There is no scenario where XMR remains a public enemy but has easy on/off ramps. There are inconvenient workarounds but you dismiss them out of hand as "shitty".Monero simply isn't for you. Sell everything for ZEC and try to cash out as much as you can before Artie Hayes decides to move on to his next pump & dump.
>>61350621Thanks. Super nice. What is the sauce?Also is it time to buy guys?
>Exclusive Monero exchanges list: see which platforms are safe and which carry risk>(KYC risk scale: 0 = none, 10 = extremely aggressive / likely freeze)https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroChat/comments/1p1g0yh/updated_monero_xmr_exchange_list/
Furthermore, if any of you did it; what is the best way to cash out xmr?
Someone bake new.
>>61356446Working on it
>>61356490New bread>>61356490New bread>>61356490New bread
Is the bump limit not 300 anymore?
