Welcome to the /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.XMR payments are anonymous, low-fee, and fully fungible. Users can send and receive XMR globally without having to worry about tainted coins. Battle-tested privacy tech (Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses and RingCT) ensures that critical TX data cannot be gleaned from the Monero blockchain; the TX history of all XMR users is kept hidden, with TXs being optionally transparent via the aid of a view key.XMR ensures low TX fees by employing a dynamic (elastic) block size that can "stretch" to easily accommodate sudden TX spikes.XMR's mining algorithm, RandomX, is optimized for devices using general-purpose CPUs e.g. desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets, keeping the barrier to entry low and ASICs out of the equation.XMR's tail emission - 0.6 XMR per block forever - incentivizes for-profit miners to keep mining, helping boost long-term network security. This constant linear inflation trends to zero and is offset by coin loss.XMR has proven to be the only altcoin capable of overcoming BTC's network effect by driving it out of the darknet economy BTC dominated for over 10 years. XMR is also starting to overtake BTC in clearnet commerce as well.If you still have questions, feel free to ask. A MoneroChad will be with you shortly.XMR Redpill: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4BUY XMR: https://monero.eco/exchanges/Crypto ATMs: https://coinatmradar.com/XMR Resources: https://monero.observer/resources/XMR Stats: https://moneroj.netUSE XMR: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://getmonero.orgMINING: https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/mining/WALLETS:>DesktopOfficial GUI/CLI walletFeatherwallet>MobileCakewalletMonero.com walletMonerujo (Android only)>Infodumpshttps://rentry.org/monero-explainedhttps://moneroinfodump.neocities.org Previous: >>61294629
>Is mining profitable?>Why should I mine?See: https://moneroj.net/hashvsprice/This chart shows that mining makes XMR more valuable by making the network more secure and more expensive to attack. If you have an interest in increasing the value of XMR, consider mining.>Poolshttps://miningpoolstats.stream/moneroNote: qubic.org is a malicious pool that does NOT payout in XMR.>Reddithttps://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining>CPU benchmarkshttps://xmrig.com/benchmark>Profit calculatorshttps://iwillsolo.com/monero/https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculatorNote: the hash rates on xmrig.com are more accurate>I'm rich and want a dedicated mining device Antminer X5Hashrate: 212000 H/sPower draw: 1350 WCost: ~$2800, Doesn't include shipping costsHashes per $: ~70By far the most powerful miner on the market. There's no official bitmain support for this device; you're on your own for updates/repairs>I'm poor and want a dedicated mining deviceMINISFORUM 795S7Hashrate: 19250 H/sPower draw: 142 WCost: $607 shipped Hashes per $: 32As of 2025 it's the best bang for your buck. No room for upgrades, though.>On P2PoolMining in P2Pool is easier than ever with Gupax:1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)3. Launch Gupax4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, or your own node6. Start P2Pool7. Start XMRigVIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/>DUE TO BOTNETS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!>Can I use my GPU too?Yes. MoneroOcean mines GPU-shitcoins, sells them, and pays you out in XMR. To get started, visit the help page on:https://moneroocean.stream/>IF MINING ON MONEROOCEAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING MO-XMRig TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS
Remember, the value of any currency is in it's acceptance.>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!https://monerica.com/https://xmrbazaar.com/https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on>Shop on Amazon with XMR! https://monezon.comhttps://peershop.app>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)https://cakepay.com/>or with CoinCardshttps://coincards.com/>Monero stickers for guerilla marketinghttp://monerosupplies.com/>Anonymous burner phone numbershttps://silent.link/>Monero-only VPS hostinghttps://kyun.host/>Win XMR!https://monero.vegas/>Darknet vendors for more exotic goods and services # = recently launched, exercise caution>Alias Market #>Asur Market>Babylon #>Calypso #>Candy Haven #>Chimera Market >Cloud Market >Cypher Market>Dark Matter>DrugHub # >DrugTown #>Drugula #>FilthyFellas>Gofish Market #>Gramazon #>Hectate Market #>Mercury Market #>Pygmalion's Refuge >Retro Market >Smackers>Sonanza Market #>Squid Market>SuperMarket #>Tribe Seuss>Whales Market #>Wizard's Palace #>World Trade Center #Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNiAnonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service>Infinity Projecthttps://pastebin.com/raw/pbCycXsCor a reputable clearnet servicehttps://trocador.apphttps://orangefren.comhttps://eigenwallet.orghttps://basicswapdex.comOr retoswap, an XMR-centric fork of Bisqhttps://retoswap.com/>Want to support further development? https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/https://monerofund.org/>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/>Want more organic Monero-chan? https://www.monerochan.art/
Thoughts?https://drivechain.xyz>Drivechain is the technique for the creation of decentralized 2-way peg sidechains for Bitcoin. These sidechains can be used to improve Bitcoin in every front, including privacy, scalability, decentralization and security, and also add many interesting features not possible before that can make the world better and continue the revolution started by Satoshi Nakamoto.>Possible Sidechains:>Monero, some people prefer this one, it has some real-world usage already and is even displacing Bitcoin in many darknet places.
>>61355686>Your delusional expectation that the community can somehow magically compel governments to welcome MoneroStill not what I asked at all.>>61356273>Furthermore, if any of you did it; what is the best way to cash out xmr?There isn't any, as this community has loudly said in the previous thread. The only way is through gift cards, which totally won't be suspicious that you're constantly changing payment methods, and completely relies on the good faith of Visa and MasterCard to continue offering them :)
Ngl I'm hoping for a long protracted bear market so I can buy XMR under $200 again.
>>61356273Coincards has been good to me.For larger amounts Zelle will let you accept a minimum of $1k per day from a stranger. For larger amounts still, you're looking at older solutions like cash by mail and Western Union.>>61356642In a perfect world it's great, but in a world where miners have censored certain txs from the blockchain it's too risky>>61356826>I don't want to hire an attorney or an accountant to game out my really specific hypothetical situation that I won't link to ( >>61347005), along with all my whataboutisms to any solutions they propose>Checkmate /XMR/ general
>>61357121How is it specific at all? Am I the only one who needs to live in a house? It's the most basic life necessities you could possibly ask about.
>>61357441No but you're the ony one who wants to do that and is also>terrified of the AI deepstate tracing all his XMR purchases >terrified of getting blacklisted by tradfi>apprehensive towards paying taxes on the sale of his XMR >Demands a solution that addresses all possible headwinds>Is upset that he's being told to fuck off and hire an attorney or an accountant to help him>Is claiming none of this is a really specific situation when your average normie would just cash out on Kraken, report the sale on their taxes, and go live their life
>>61357544>krakenGuy if you're not able to read the tealeaves let me tell you: the dump that happened today was Kraken selling their XMR right before their IPO because they're going to delist.Anyone relying on Kraken as a future possibility any longer than a 6 month timeframe is fucking retarded. The days are numbered.
>>61357800>Is claiming none of this is a really specific situation when your average normie would just cash out on (insert whatever exchange that supports XMR you want here), report the sale on their taxes, and go live their life
>>61357825>(insert whatever exchange that supports XMR you want here)Wasn't I berated the entire last thread by some anon saying >OMG the government will NEVER allow XMR under ANY circumstancesHere's my own version of that, now turned on you because you won't give a straight answer to a very clear and realistic scenario.There won't be ANY exchanges that offer XMR. And not only that, but even if you manage to get money in your bank account from an exchange, there is something called "the future". In this "future" where XMR is literally a banned asset, you absolutely can realistically expect a bank to run a scan on your past deposits and literally ban you for having gotten your money through XMR. So your access to the banking system gets removed in the FUTURE, EVEN IF you managed to get it on there in the PRESENT. Understand????If you actually read my initial question, I literally fucking described this exact scenario.
>>61357903>Wasn't I berated the entire last thread by some anon saying>OMG the government will NEVER allow XMR under ANY circumstancesYou were berated for demanding a way out of a hypothetical scenario that left you with a limited set of options to cash out, then crying about the limited options.>Here's my own version of that, now turned on you because you won't give a straight answer to a very clear and realistic scenario.Nothing about what you're describing is clear and realistic, but whatever I'll entertain you.>There won't be ANY exchanges that offer XMR. You have no way of knowing this>And not only that, but even if you manage to get money in your bank account from an exchangeDidn't you just say that there won't be any exchanges? How'd you manage that?>There is something called "the future".So we're speculating from this point on.>In this "future" where XMR is literally a banned assetAnd no one comes up with a way to circumvent this ban>you absolutely can realistically expect a bank to run a scan on your past depositsFrom the exchange that doesn't exist in the future, using a scan that can link your activity deterministically to sale of XMR, meaning FCMP gets broken.>and literally ban you for having gotten your money through XMR.Find a crypto friendly bank. These already exist, and aren't magically banned in your scenario (but I'm sure they are now because I brought them up)You can also sue your bank for retroactive financial discrimination at that point. The law is pretty clear about not prosecuting people retroactively. Do they take these protections away in the future too? >So your access to the banking system gets removed in the FUTURE,Where a bunch of other laws that prevent this sort of of thing from happening get changed as well>EVEN IF you managed to get it on there in the PRESENT. Understand????Yes. You can't find a way out of your financial doomer porn fantasy because it would get in the way of your nut. I get it now.
Why does every monero thread have weeb pedo shit posted in it? For that reason, I'm out
>>61358572
wownerochan desuhttps://suchwow.xyz/meme/799
Haha, now even the Twitterati are realizing how phony the ZEC hype is. Zcash's reputation was already abysmal and now somehow its even worse lolNow we just have to wait for the inevitable dump as the usual suspects hyping this up get bored and move on to the next memecoin. Rinse & repeat.
>>61358572i use my monero to buy pizza, yes
>>61358493You literally alternate between>DONT YOU GET IT MONERO WILL BE BANNED EVERYWHERE WE ARE REVOLUTIONARIESand>Oh god I can't believe you're engaging in hypotheticals where Monero gets attacked by a state you can't prove anything you say will happenAll I did was take the original logic of this community (Monero will be banned) and extend it out like 3 years, assuming AI keeps improving.Yes, you will be able to """deterministically""" show that you got your stablecoins/LTC/BTC whatever through an EXCHANGE (CEX or DEX) that OFFERED XMR. And since everyone else who used that exchange can show the provenance of where their coins came from, and you can't/won't, by process of elimination you probably used XMR so fuck you (or at least you're not following the laws that say you need to show provenance). None of that requires breaking FCMP. Just go to a fucking website and look at its token listings.Yes, I think it's a worthwhile exercise to think about what is likely going to happen when Monero gets banned and we are all trapped in an economy that presently only has a few supermarkets in Zug.
>>61360017>All I did was take the original logic of this community (Monero will be banned) and extend it out like 3 years, assuming AI keeps improving.The Monero community isn't one person. Personally I don't think that it will be banned in such a way that we won't be able to get our money out to buy things like houses. Drug dealers do it all the time, after all>Yes, I think it's a worthwhile exercise to think about what is likely going to happen when Monero gets banned and we are all trapped in an economy that presently only has a few supermarkets in Zug.Personally I think engaging in this level of financial nihilism is a waste of time. Basic OPSEC 101 tells you that the best you can do against hostile financial systems backed by state level actors is fight their dragnet surveillance (which Monero does excellently.) The second it becomes targeted surveillance (eg you've tripped an alarm at the bank, the bank runs a scan on your past deposits and literally ban you for having gotten your money through XMR) you're hypotheticallly cooked, since hypothetically there's always some super sekrit tool or weapon or heuristic only available to state actors to checkmate you with, including whatever answer that would be good enough to satify you since it's quite a well-known fact that they monitor this site. You'll drive yourself insane trying to account for everything in their targeted surveillance bag.Since you're probably going to ask:>Well how do drug dealers who make it cash out then?The smart ones speak to a tax attorney before they become a victim of targeted surveillance and don't give out money laundering advice on 4chan
You may seethe now
>>61360746It's over
>>61360463I will strategically keep this post brief so you have nothing else to respond to but the central point.The point is once you leave Monero, you have no protection in an AI surveillance finance world. It doesn't take a "super sekrit tool", all it takes is current AI. People can see what coins are offered on CEXes and DEXes, and if you can't show provenance of your coins you get banned (even in the future in accounts you thought were safe). This isn't hypothetical, this doesn't violate any laws. Banks can simply say "you didn't prove you DIDN'T come from XMR, therefore your account is closed".Watch it happen. And you've had no workaround.
>>61360746>You may seethe nowMemecoins pump all the time.
>>61362477>"you didn't prove you DIDN'T come from XMR, therefore your account is closed".The workaround to this is to call an attorney.
>>61362603>this doesn't violate any laws >call an attorney Ok
>>61362730>this doesn't violate any laws>Source: dude trust me
We're #1 Again! Keep outspending the unworthy.
>>61360746Token not needed
Monero bros i don't feel so good
what is up with zec? I still haven't heard a compelling narrative for why it has exploded 20x in the past few months
>>61363236Standard market manipulation. >>61359156Not the first time either, it was pumped & dumped right out of the gate back in 2016 with occasional reruns over the years. This time there is a more pronounced effort to pump it courtesy of the usual gang of shady influencers. It'll be the hot new coin for a while until they dump and move on to the next one as is tradition.
Anybody know why Tether stopped printing? Last time was on the 20th and then nothing even though Bitcoin keeps tanking.
>>61363535I meant 10th, not 20th (today)
>>61363535>>61363545BTC pumps when Tether prints and dumps when it stops, what a coincidence! As for why, who the fuck knows? Maybe Paolo is finally done with artificially propping up snitchcoin and is pivoting towards better things now that the stablecoin payments sector is exploding.
>>61363535Tether has recently switched to buying gold. It now holds more gold than treasuries.
>>61360746Ffs make your own thread you nigger
>>61359156>>61363236>>61363357
>>61364403Yeah, figures. Now that its being aggressively shilled by veteran crypto scammers, Zcash is going to be pegged as a disposable memecoin in the eyes of onlookers along with all the other countless dog memes that have been inorganically hyped, pumped & dumped the exact same way. Lay with dogs and wake up with hella fleas.Can't buy street cred, trannies.
>https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/samourai-cryptomixer-founders-sent-to-prison-for-laundering-over-237-million/>The founders of the Samourai Wallet (Samourai) cryptocurrency mixing service have been sent to prison for helping criminals launder over $237 million.>Samourai CEO Keonne Rodriguez was sentenced to five years in prison on November 6th, while the cryptomixer's Chief Technology Officer William Lonergan Hill received a four-year sentence on November 19th. Both men were also sentenced to three years of supervised release and must pay $250,000 fines.Not terrible, I'm sure they got a nice pile of crypto stashed away
>>61362219Quite hilarious how the pajeet says US is capable of tracing 80% of all xmr transactions via AI but yet the half a million dollar IRS offer is still up for grabs.
>>61362880Very nice
>>61364610We are the coin that shall not be named. The crypto media is still a part of (((the media)))
>>61364791>As detailed in court documents, beginning in 2015, Rodriguez and Hill developed Samourai as a mobile app specifically designed to obfuscate illicit cryptocurrency transactions through two key features.>"Whirlpool" mixed Bitcoin transactions across groups of users, obscuring the source in blockchain records and preventing law enforcement from tracing funds, while "Ricochet" added unnecessary intermediate transactions (called "hops"), making it substantially more difficult to establish connections between the transfers and criminal activities and further concealing their illicit source.>In total, this money laundering activity allegedly earned the two founders around $4.5 million in fees collected from Whirlpool and Ricochet transactionsSo if I understand correctly, the legal reason Samourai devs were charged is because they facilitated the obfuscation of bitcoin transactions through a centralized server AND collected fees for it. Someone want to try and explain how this is any different from ECC/Zcash Foundation facilitating the obfuscation of zcash transactions through the centralized orchard pool and collecting a dev tax at the time of coin creation?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1p2q5gz/we_can_debate/Anyone has the OG sauce for this video?
>>61367741>redditMonero needs a better forum other than cancerous reddit. Monero.town isn't working, is a ghost town. We should either look into reviving https://forum.monero.space, or migrate to the forum of xmrbazaar.com, https://xmrbazaar.com/forum/ which has monero tipping integration.
>>61368262I dont like XMRBazaar admin Allie or wtf "shes called" so fuck XmrBazaar forums.
>>61368272>I dont like XMRBazaar admin AllieI don't like her horny-baits either. But I think she's doing a good job with the substack and XMRBazaar promotion. Any other specific reason you dislike her?
>>61368284I think >she larps on X and uses her >female being trying to fit the role of what a gamer girl is in gaming but in XMR.Plus spitting tons of BS about daily driving Tor and being "in danger". I am sorry but months have passed and >she got banned on X so I couldn't even check posts I think.
>>61368313nah, you are right, these are the same reasons I find "her" annoying.> muh look at me I am gurl> got pussi btw> ye monero frfr> I have a magical life !!11can't we just ignore her regardless on xmrbazaar forums?
>>61368334Yes I guess we can. Also glad I am not the only one who thinks it that way about >her
>>61368405>Also glad I am not the only one who thinks it that way about >herSame, surprised to find you sharing my opinion as well.
>>61367741>Removed by moderator>Check comments >"What's with all the frogs and antisemitism?"-
>>61368514Fucking shit Reddit
How do I meet other Monero users in real life?
what did my favourite monero nigger, the monero twitter hitler, have to say about the last few weeks of crypto happenings??
>>61366967>So if I understand correctly, the legal reason Samourai devs were charged is because they facilitated the obfuscation of bitcoin transactions through a centralized server AND collected fees for it. From what I recall, they were actively advertising their services as a way to skirt money laundering regulations and sanctions.>Someone want to try and explain how this is any different from ECC/Zcash Foundation facilitating the obfuscation of zcash transactions through the centralized orchard pool and collecting a dev tax at the time of coin creation?They lobby hard for concessions. Foolproof defense strategy.
>>61368272>>61368284>>61368313>>61368334>>61368405>>61368448This the broad we talking about?
>non-fungible transparent cuck coin is finally dyingCrypto is healing bros
>>61368686p2p selling meetups
>>61369428wdym by "board"?
>>61369894An OG whale just finished dumping his ENTIRE stack. >Bitcoin (BTC) whale Owen Gunden has sold his entire holdings.>The eighth richest crypto holder in the world has unloaded roughly $1.3 billion worth of BTC over the past month as retail sentiment plunges.>Blockchain data from Arkham shows the wallet attributed to Gunden transferred his final 2,499 BTC, worth $228 million, to Kraken on Nov. 20. Good news is that Tether is finally trying to plug the leak.. Bad news is that it ain't working this time.Meanwhile, the copefest on r/Bitcoin is really starting to heat up. Grab some popcorn and enjoy!
>>61370136>wdym by "board"?https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=broad
>>61370289Well, I dont know if that's her, but I don't think shed go with a MONERO collar on her throat
wheres the monerochan archiveneed to download
>>61370371https://mega.nz/folder/vQkXkSJD#bddufmWaHlPiwM4DoOdswQ
>>61370421lmao bunch of porn and a loli folder i dont wanna opensome good monerochans on there tho
>>61356490I want to invest into a hard wallet, but have heard nothing but horror stories from people who lost 100k after their codes been cooked. I'm extremely new and am looking to get into making a DIY cold wallet. I plan to use a device I rarely look at and store for 10 plus years that I can occasionally check in on, roughly once every year. I am extremely paranoid of investing a lot of money into something that can be stolen. Having heard horror stories from other cold wallets going hot like Ledger and Tangem where user info is stored and stolen, I've come to the conclusion that the best wallet is one I make for myself to verify the parts and firmware manually. Does anyone have experience with seedsigner or wallets that can hold XMR like it? Here's what I'm looking for hardware wise:1. An airgapped device that does not connect to the internet at all (no USB or NFC)2. Something with replicable parts that can be easily sourced to prevent hardware failure3. A wide selection of investment options (not just bitcoin)From what I've looked into all I really need is something to give me a master key (private for recovery of funds) and address (public, for sending money to a wallet for storage).I'm new so please forgive me if this info is off or outdated in some way. I'm trying to avoid data collection companies that sell my info to scammers and con artists. Unless I can verify the platforms secure there's no way I can invest a substantial amount of money into it when other investments like land exist.
>>61371385you can just engrave your private on some metal and store it away, figure out hardware whenever you need it and then recover from seed.the need for hardware is solved when you want to actually access the funds
where is wireyboi?
Growth of XmrBazaar's userbase (counted only after PGP key setup, since bots can’t PGP)
>>61371385Look into tailsOS + encrypted persistent storage
>>61371385I have zero experience with it, but this seems to be what you wanthttps://github.com/XmrSignerThe rest of the diy hardware wallet solutions rely on usb ports (pitrezor, tailsOS with encrypted partition) or a pair of android devices (anonero, cupcake+cakewallet or monero.com wallet, sidekick+monerujo).
>>61371514Just engrave your private on some metal and store it away.That's a decent way of handling things, with three caveats:>1.Wallet seed phrases aka master key (your 24 words) still need a node to operate, which is often handled by third parties, which have varying levels of trust.>2.No online server or service is safe from direct attacks. Secondary information (such as your phone number name and email) are still held by these companies which can often have data breaches.>3.Closed source offline wallets are still vulnerable as the manufacturer can be hit by internal attacks, malicious updates and off brand hardware have done serious damage to trusted brands. >>61371947Even then, if your third party node isn't trustworthy throughout it's entire lifespan or the computer has access to the internet at any time you have a hot wallet. If I'm to gain millions here, the targeted value of such systems significantly increases. Which means more incentive for outside parties to breach wallets.>>61371979>https://github.com/XmrSignerLooks promising! I think another big way to prevent attacks is wallet decentralization the more wallets you have with less in each, the smaller the potential risk becomes. Bulkhead like compartments could prevent the total value of a wallet system from being breached.
>>61372311bro just use basic safety methods and spread out your stuff on different wallets. you are being too paranoid.
>>61372430>you are being too paranoid.found the bitfaggot
>>61372311>1.This is why the community strongly suggests running your own node>2 and 3This is why I'll always suggest using an android device over a hardware wallet.
>>61371385ANONERO. There used to be an OP post for how to set this up.
>>61373062https://4rkal.com/posts/feathernero/
>>61371385As a Trezor wallet lover, I understand your concerns. Tangem and Ledger crossed my redline with their private keys leaving the device. Trezor hasn't crossed that line......, yet. I still like h/w wallets due to my minimalist lifestyle. I do use mine for the other features they offer. In fact, my favorite FIDO authenticator is Trezor due to passkeys can be backed up and restored with the backups being cloud safe. The 2FA is key derived from the seed phrase. They can do PGP/GPG as well as a few other things. Before getting into a dickwar with my fellow XMRChads, all methods fine by me under the guise we are all using pass phrases as well. You can cold steel your seed and still be fucked if your place goes up in a fire and you aren't allowed to sift through the ashes to get your seed. Another example would be dying of suddenly and Shaniqua from health and human services is tasked in going through your personal effects to find next of kin. She finds your sneed, hits paydirt, and foolishly spends your saved toil on Carnival cruises, all the while still getting section 8 and EBT. Lost coins are to remain lost unless you want to breadcrumb them to your kin.
>>61373364I left a part out for the fire scenario. If one is urban, Shamir Shared Secret might be the better way to have a seed phrase. The city might not let you hunt for your seed in the rubble. Shamir is offered on better h/w wallets.
>>61367741https://files.catbox.moe/k9udru.mov
