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Old thread is nearing its limit >>10790295


This thread is for ouji and aristocrat (aka "boystyle") discussion. "Boystyle" is shorthand for "boystyle lolita" and refers to the masculine counterparts of Japanese lolita and, often, aristocrat fashions. There is a lot of overlap between these styles, and different people use different terms to describe them. We usually just use "ouji" here.

>Shopping spreadsheet
This is broken, now. Can it be fixed?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7sg2_7CvXUeIgZGGSLvJ9lUUuSVXhW8FlWWFwiv1Yk/edit?usp=docslist_api

>Buttcape-sensei's shopping guide (mentions which brands/shops have men's or custom sizes):
https://stephano.me/blog/where-to-buy-ouji-fashion/

>Blogs for info
buttcape[.]blogspot[.]com
https://ouji-armoire.tumblr.com/tags
https://classical-alice.com/2018/03/09/%e7%9a%87%e5%ad%90%e3%83%bb%e7%8e%8b%e5%ad%90%e7%b3%bb%e3%83%ad%e3%83%aa%e3%82%a3%e3%82%bf%e3%83%95%e3%82%a1%e3%83%83%e3%82%b7%e3%83%a7%e3%83%b3%e3%81%ae%e7%89%b9%e5%be%b4%e3%81%a8%e3%83%96%e3%83%a9/ (in Japanese)
https://www.zhihu.com/question/398686032 (in Chinese; tap "read more" for a nice rundown of taobao ouji brands, which begin below the "couple clothes" section.)


Google your questions before asking them here.

Read the whole thread before asking questions here.

OC and selfposts encouraged! Random picspam discouraged.

Discussion: Black Butler is coming back. Are you ready to be mistaken for a Ciel cosplayer again?
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new AatP when? here's the most recent
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Mana-sama and Makoto in EGA for the members-only Moitie salon
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in spring, Miho Matsuda offered 2 lengths for short pants: one for regular ouji and one for those who don't mind the Black Butler confusion
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>>10868645
please kys
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remember looking at GLB scans of ouji and guessing what they were about?

modern technology removes a lot of that guesswork. imagine the terminology debates that could have been avoided if anyone could easily run a page thru Google Translate back in the old-school days.
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>>10868656
take google translate with a grain of salt, anon. it's crowd sourced and most submissions are from non-native speakers. there are also a ton of words that are localized into english and not translated at all.
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>>10868666
100%

additionally, for busy pages it does very little.

even so, we could have been much more informed if it had been available.
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new jacket with buttcape
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it's happening again
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AatP has fully given up
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>>10871356
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so AatP hasn't given up completely
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>>10872800
I'm so fucking happy I got it
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spooky pants
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who tf is buying this
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>>10878612
It's not my style at all but I don't see a problem with it. Just ornamentation for a more nature-themed gothic coord.
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>>10868640
where to find boots like in the rightmost pic?
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>>10878746
are those not the clara short boots?
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is it easy to get away with wearing nice normie pants with ouji?
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>>10879459
secounding this but also vintage pants, wil they work? I’m tall and I dont have much hope that brand long pants will be long enough.
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>>10879463
>>10879459
ouji doesn't use long pants.
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>>10879485
are you new? ouji has always included varying pant lengths.
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>>10879526
NTA but no it hasn't.
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>>10879530
yes it has, gtfoh

>>10879463
>>10879459
aatp pants run the gamut in terms of cut, so check out their past collections for inspo on what kinds of pants tend to look good with brand blouses, vests, and jackets.
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>>10871356
They cannot be serious
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Requesting casualish coord inspo w/ straight cut shorts.

>>10879459
Seems like a good way to dip your toes into ouji and build up the confidence to wear weirder coords. Eventually, you'll want to get ouji-specific pants too though because more elaborate outfits will look kind of unbalanced with normies dress pants. Buy the rest of your coord first and compare different pants critically to make sure they look okay.
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>>10879548
>using a magazine spread
kek anon no
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>>10879741
gull alice and the pirates has released long pants from the start
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>>10879740
i got u
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>>10879775
>everything a brand releases is lolita
This is how we know you're new.
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>>10879800
So brand releases and magazine spreads are both wrong. We have to guide ourselves with whatever a western anon pulls out of their ass instead.
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>>10879884
lol

there's always some dumbass saying the dumbest shit itt. absolutely bottom-of-the-barrel ragebait.
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oldschool ouji used to supplement their coords by using anything from bloomers to normie uniqlo pants. as the red-headed step-sibling of lolita fashion, some creative resourcing is often required to fill out a wardrobe that doesn't look like shit.

>pic related, the ouji has vivienne westwood shoes and a gaultier bag but for pants basically says "dunno"
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>>10879884
>>10879892
NTA but you can read Japanese resources you know.
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>>10879972
sources past and present are clear on the subject. some gulls just like to troll. it doesn't matter how much evidence we present, or what kind. they will reject it and continue to make the dumbest, most unfounded claims possible. it's a known pattern.
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>>10879972
you mean the ones that say long pants have always been an option?
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loving ouji hurts sometimes
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what are you getting this f/w season, /ouG/?
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How the fuck do people wear standard brand OTKs? They are too thin for my shoes. It's like wearing tights with sneakers.
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>>10882275
if the shoes are uncomfortable i usually layer a pair or two of "no show" socks in the same color of the OTK
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>>10882324
you're supposed to layer socks underneath.
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>>10882420
yes.. i assumed that much was obvious
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>>10882445
then they don't need to be the same color, retard.
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>>10882463
you wouldn’t wear dark color socks under a white pair dumb fuck
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>>10882478
you literally can't see them if they're no-shows.
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I got my first ouji pants and vest but turns out my torso is too long, vest is somewhat too short and pants are not high waisted enough. I expected the pants to be not high waisted but is there anything I could do? Just get a different vest or pants to match? I know, should have planned it out better before buying stuff and measured lenghts of everything too.
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>>10883632
do they fit otherwise? is the crotch comfortable, do the buttons fasten without pulling taut? no reason to get rid of em if so, just don't pair them together. if neither fits, send them off to a shorter ouji
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>>10883742
they do fit my body, just not each other. I guess I just gotta get items to match these pieces..
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>>10883752
yes. also: cardigans, long jackets, and corsets can cover the gap. a long blouse with a tail that's meant to be untucked can cover the top of your pants.
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>>10884721
long shirt, short vest
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>>10879777
Perfect rotten Ouji. Those legs, holly shit. Gorgeous monstrosity, so beauty.
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>>10884749
ew, cover those legs. Guys who don't look like little princes shouldn't wear ouji, it's disgusting.
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>>10884744
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>>10884750
you realize that's probably a woman, right?
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>>10884750
>look like little princes
shoo shoo fujo
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>>10884759
cutsew/cardigan
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>>10884760
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>>10884754
still gross if it was a woman, and yes I know most people who wear ouji are women. But that 100% looks like a dude.

>>10884756
ouji means prince and the style is based on the fairy tale image of a spoiled little prince. If you look like a big manly man then go for EGA or another grown up masculine style, if you look like a gremlin then stay out of j-fashion entirely.
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>>10884769
the style is based on a lot of stuff. stating your preference as though it were fact is dumb.
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>>10884771
that is what several brands define it as.
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>>10884750
how are you failing to realize that the disgust it evokes is the point.
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>>10884775
which brands? not aatp.
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>>10879459
>>10879463
I suggest some nice high waisted trousers, some darts go a long way. Brand pants are typically very, very poorly constructed, the brands are pretty specialized in making dresses and blouses and so on, their pants are just shapeless tubes that you hopefully hide with a buttcape or long vest. You'll want very long, high rise pants so that you can pair them with lolita blouses and vests that are often very short because they're meant to be worn with a skirt or under a jsk, so they'll end at like.. your bellybutton. You want pants that reach your bellybutton, so avoid having a gap. Oftentimes even brand pants don't follow this rule and are inexplicably low-rise and look awful. I blame the 2000s I guess.

>>10879485
Some of the best coords use pants. For ageplay ouji sure you'll wear diaper shorts but the best of the style is leaning more towards vampire-prince than child-prince. Many of the ouji that go for a more mature style are just wearing plain dress pants, they don't need much adornment but darts or a pleat down the center of the leg for example would look nice.
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>>10883632
>>10883752
just buy high waisted normie trousers, brand sets don't even match themselves sometimes they want you to just wear an untucked blouse to hide the ugly upper of your pants and fact that it doesn't actually reach the vest. it can work but it's usually going to make your legs look super short for a very unflattering silhouette, unless you're going for the childish look. >>10884753 is a good example of pieces that individually should be cool but the silhouette is this box of ill fitting fabric. Desperately needs shoes to add a little height and stop the pants from crinkling at the bottom, and if the blouse was tucked at the front it would create a much more streamlined regal appearance

>>10884743
>>10884759
meanwhile these use boz blouses that are meant to be untucked and are shorter at the front so that they don't create that box-effect, the.. oversized dress shirt borrowed from your dad-look
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>>10879568
Fair point but also is it significantly different from this necklace they released 2012??
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>>10884769
you're going to anger the fugly men ITT who can't even fit the fashion but think it's for them.
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>>10884925
this is sound advice, thanks gull

>>10884930
yes: the 2023 release is headwear, not a necklace.
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>>10885033
it's also a plain chain which is exponentially cheaper to produce than the beading in >>10884930
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high-rise pants supremacy
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>>10886027
it's high waist you faggot.
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>>10886141
It can be called either, retard.
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the new aatp hat looks soft and DIYable with a black felt hat base and craft store trimming. does anyone have experience making or decorating their own hats for ouji?
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>>10886283
NTA but high rise would be the length of the hem not at the waistline.
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this is what you look like wearing low rise
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>>10887399
it's easy and fun and everyone should do it
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>>10887399
this isn't ouji. god i hate this thread. everyone ITT is a male or braindead women.
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>>10887867
take your meds, gull
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>>10887867
also, don't return to the thread. you hate it, and your delusional ignorance doesn't do much for the rest of us.
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Hoshibako bringing back the OG ouji
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AatP returning to form

https://www.babyssb.co.jp/series/20231027_brilliant_notice_from_phantom_thief/
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Moitie serving "h.Naoto knockoff" with this casual EGA release (a step way back from their piping jacket & pants set)
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>>10888844
it's forgivable since they also put this out
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Boz's new releases have stayed true to the brand's form and even expanded their fabric choices. promising future. (Moitie pls take notes)
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Q-pot gave sweet ouji something to get excited about, which was nice of them since all AatP could manage this season was "soggy diaper" >>10887662
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>>10888848
Fuck you're cringe. Stop.
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>>10888873
>Stop.
very effective, 3 hrs after the last post
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>>10888840
Hey that's pretty good
>>10888842
I hate this because the jabot looks so awful, but I think the details are really nice.. maybe a bit much all at once though. The blue cape and cuffs are cool, and the striped lining would be great, but I don't think they go together well.
>>10888844
This is a rerelease of a shirt from 2012 or so.. their more casual vkei stuff must be selling if they keep shitting it out, so somebody wants it
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>>10891190
>Hey that's pretty good
at its price point, it better be. i haven't bought from them yet since they're new and basically a premium taobao brand. their quality seems inconsistent.
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>>10891542
Has anyone tried buying from them yet? I wonder what the quality is lkke
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>>10891808
the quality is decent, but their designs tend to be a little off aesthetically. it's like if a taobao brand used decent fabric.
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>>10891859
they are taobao lol
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I've never purchased from Alpstola website since their opening, I tried to get the Roland release yesterday and today but every single time I tried to pay I got "Failed to compete your order" when the jacket was still in stock
Is it because I used a Japanese address? I used several credit cards and PayPal but nothing worked
I really wanted the OG ouji jacket....
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>>10891926
boz isn't even ouji you cringe freak.
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>>10891926
They sold out instantly, you just have to be fast!
>>10891941
Shut the absolute fuck up you triple nigger
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>>10892038
this is what happens when retard men think they're supposed to wear ouji.
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>>10892065
No, that's nothing to do with anything, you frumpy old dyke. You are just bothersome with your needless interjection of "errrm ackshually that's a different style" NOBODY gives a fuck. This is boystyle/menswear thread. Stopping shitting it up just because you're too ugly and awkwardly shaped to wear lolita dresses.
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>>10892094
ouji isn't for men
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>>10892133
Cool, ima keep wearing it
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>>10891941
>boz isn't even ouji
they market themselves as such. thanks for the laugh tho
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>>10892038
Any chance they will release it again in the near future ?
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>>10891941
it's kind of admirable how you can say something so wrong so confidently

>>10892065
please don't make them dump the same 20 pics of men in ouji again, they can look good and ouji doesn't have to be diaper pants shota cosplay
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If we really want to be accurate, Boz probably wouldn't call themselves 王子, they'd just say ゴシック
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>>10892332
in general, yes

for specific items, they often suggest styles such as ouji, lolita, etc.
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>>10892334
Personally I wear things from brands that produce "ouji", but I definitely don't style my coords as ouji, I am inspired by the more mature looks of people like Kamijo and Vampire Rose. In the West we would call it aristocrat, but I haven't heard Japan call it anything but ゴシック. They don't call it 貴族 either.
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>>10892482
kamijo is aesthetic kei
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his clothes are too big
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oujipoppers, is sweet ouji dead?
im a very casual newb to ouji/boys’ fashion and i’ve found like… one store that sells sweet ouji. i feel like im looking for the lost city of atlantis here. it’s not even on aliexpress (which is like the hub of cheap sweet lolita). sometimes i wonder if i made up sweet ouji in a fever dream. are the homies just not dressing up as candy shop employees anymore
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>>10894362
it is not dead. it is possible that your type of pastel sweet ouji is less popular. why check ali express instead of taobao?
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>>10894362
also did you the shops in the OP
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>>10868639
This outfit actually looks okay
Most ouji is so gauche
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>>10868639
this would only look good on a super attractive woman. i don't think i've ever seen a non model looking good in ouji
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>>10894391
It looks fine on any moderately attractive man too. Obviously ouji is much harder for women to pull off.
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>>10868656
i would murder someone for any of the devil may cry collab bags
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>>10894376
i checked both ali and taobao. i went to ali because they usually have something decently cute/cheap for me to decide if i’m really into ouji before i drop $300 on an outfit. haven’t had much success with either. might just settle for classic ouji at this point
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>>10894408
i found sweet ouji in the shops in buttcape's shopping guide. don't give up. (although, it was not pastel girlish sweet, just regular)
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found picrel on lolitawardrobe. if i wanted to find more i would. this is just to assure you that even english language resellers have sweet ouji.
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what ouji present would you ask from Santa?
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>>10895560
durable staples made of non-poly fabric
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>>10894395
>Obviously ouji is much harder for women to pull off.
Damn, I leave /cgl/ for a while and now it’s filled with this cringe. Is it actual scrotes invading or FTMs being catty?
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>>10896373
Same

>>10894395

I find women to do it better than men desu
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>>10897595
*desu, not desu
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>>10897486
there's a couple chronic baiters floating around, don't feed em

>>10897597
where have you been for the last decade my gull
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I really wish they would just use some chunky yosuke platforms, the footwear always looks pretty bad in their ouji shoots. Otherwise, I really like the fabric used, rare W
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>>10898625
yeah the stilettos are a bizarre choice.

the length of the shorts is perfect.
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>>10897486
>Is it actual scrotes invading
yes. this thread has been full of men for a year they're a plague.
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>>10898706
I'm pretty sure they're pants, tucked into the boots, which makes it an even worse choice for showing off the outfit..

>>10898784
I'm reclaiming this thread 4 the boys
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>>10899540
you apes wish you could fit into this shit.
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>>10898625
lmaoing @ you whores complaining about ouij looking gay af, lol, xD even
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is your Valentine's coord ready, /ouG/?
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>>10900887
more like ouji is meant for women and not men
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>>10900908
yawn
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>>10900943
none of you fags have a small enough frame to fit into this. otherwise you fuckers would post fits.
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>>10900954
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Devi, designer for Anges et Demons, recently turned 50. Take care of your skin, gulls.
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>>10900983
wdym bitch looks old as fuck
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>>10900981
yea i said it because all of you retards are clearly from /fa/. come back when you weigh less than 100lbs, male.
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>>10900983
damn fucking fagtron, fucking lolitas, why? why ouij has to be so fucking faggy? lolita is cool, elegant, oiuj is only queerish
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What do you guys think of MARBLE? I was just looking at a few things from wunderwelt (pic related), and I really like their big neckties and the variety of solid/subtle colorways. I have an atelier pierrot mini dress and I think the bolero is perfect for covering my shoulders. I like everything about their clothes except for the 'V' shape in a lot of their skirts. I was watching a lolita talk about the fashion and she said "if you like looking ita then go for it" about MARBLE ;_; I think I want to get into EGA more than Lolita. The dress shapes and symmetry suit my american body more. It's too hard to find drop-waist dresses in lolita. I'm in love with the h. Naoto parasol too. I know it's all goofy vampire clothing and I should just wear what I like, but I was just wondering
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>>10892648
what is "aesthetic kei," that sounds like people who say something is "corecore"
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>>10901259
some of their stuff works for ouji or EGA, but mostly they do skirts, so you are asking the wrong thread.
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>>10901264
I think it's anon's retarded way of saying visual kei
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>>10899919
Nope.
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>>10901328
Yeah, I think they mean tanbi kei more specifically
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>>10901329
what do you need? 2 weeks left
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>ask AatP for ouji prints
>get this instead
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the new releases are not all bad
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>>10903519
hat too small
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the average EGA wearer is 45 years old
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>>10905289
The filters on these always crack me up.
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>>10902611
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>>10904078
what else is new
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take this to your next meetup
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>>10906312
Makes me want to see an ouji specific ita thread
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>>10906703
it will 90% be obese people who thrifted pieces of suits and call their outfit ouji.
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>>10906703
just search the "kodona" tag on instagram
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>>10906705
>>10906723

I was not surprised to find people can look pretty good in offbrand and pretty mid in brand; also they're skinny
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>>10906753
Letting westerners wear ouji was a mistake. Lolita *can* look decent on a lot of different types of people and body shapes, but ouji? It objectively looks awful on anyone who isn’t the right build.

Even when someone has the right build, westerners have no taste whatsoever when it comes to ouji. Maybe it’s because there’s less info out there about it, but it’s not an exaggeration to say that 99% of all western ouji looks like shit 100% of the time.
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>>10906948
there's fewer options and a less strict silhouette. lolita skirts at least need to accommodate a petticoat. but ouji bottoms have no such inherent structure to prop up the coord.
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>>10903519
jacket looks nice
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>>10907573
This looks like something from Halloween USA …
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>>10906948
I've seen good European ones.
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Is it difficult to get ouji outfits for usakumyas?
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classic oujis can have a little color as a treat
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Recent Miho Matsuda
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Coord goals
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>>10911238
UwU vampire lord
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>>10905289
Let's check out.
60+30=90
90/2=45

seems accurate
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>>10903519
>not all
you are brutally honest, i like it
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the thumbnail for this is horrifying
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handmade ouji found on weibo
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>>10913699
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>>10913700
imperfect but cool
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>>10913701
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if your hat doesn't have a hat, your coord ain't worth shit
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Where is a good place to find more masculine patterns to sew? Found some very neat items but they seem complex to sew, so drafting my own pattern feels like it would be rough. Mainly looking to do some basic shirts first for the core of the closet.
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>>10915351
what size range?
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Okay, but where are the -actual- men?

>>10879780
I want to raise this child.
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>>10917906
that's a 35 year old woman
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>>10915310
Heighten thy headwear or step out of the theatre



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