>>10917456
you forgot to pull out an illustrated diagram explaining what is sweet, what is classic and what is gothic

at least your bf is nice enough to say he'll take you to a lolita store. My ex would never.

This is more like well intended family members giving you a hello kitty bag because they assume you'll like it and they can't tell the difference.

>>10917461
Leave it to a woman to forget a step.

>>10917456
So? You're really lucky to have a bf who offers to buy you stuff at all. Like >>10917506 said, my exes would never. Stingy bastards never offered to buy me a goddamn thing.

>>10917831
My girlfriend buys me burando. Raise your standards.

Why the fuck are you complaining anon? That’s so sweet your bf even thinks about you unlike most men. The fact he even had AN IDEA of what you liked says a lot and here you are on 4chan hating the fact he tried to search your fashion and what it’s called to make you happy. Lolita is like the first thing that comes up when doing generic search in Japanese cute fashion. Your man doesn’t deserve you, you don’t appreciate him for trying but go on here instead. Get real. Maybe you guys should actually talk about your interests and maybe he would know what’s it’s called instead of you just leeching for money. Come on now. This isn’t a good look or take, just makes you look like an asshole.

>>10917831
>>10917900
Nayrt, the bf didn't say he would buy her anything, he said he'll take her to a lolita fashion store. I'm assuming that means they'll go in together and look at stuff.

That in itself is pretty great though. A lot of men would not even have come up with that idea on their own. And a lot of those who did would not have offered to go. I can imagine that to the average male mind the thought of spending 30 minutes or more in a lolita store would be like torture. I hope you reciprocate his effort by coming up with ideas to do together that he would really like.

Moids are retarded what else is new

>>10917456
this board is all the evidence I need to know that lolitas are actual demons

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Nice

>>10917868
Im not a dyke

>>10917956
tragic for you. fucking men is embarassing.

>>10917939

you're ignoring
>>10917506
>>10917831
>>10917900
>>10917901

but sure, CGL is more cunty than most lolita spaces.

>>10917901
Eh gotta disagree with you there. A man taking you to a store without the intention of buying anything for you is not some high-effort action. Anyone can drag their gf to the mall and stand around with her... even teen boys do that.

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>ask gf to put on something nice cuz we're going out to some place fancy
>she puts on lolita fashion

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>>10920206
Fr though.
>"Babe! I found a store that sells all that stuff you like and I'm taking you there today!"
>gf gets all excited
>get to store
>"OMG honey this is so sweet of you!! Can I really get anything I want?"
>"Well sure babe, of course you can get as much as you want... you're the one paying for it after all. :)"

>>10920735
No girl writes shit like this you larping moid

>>10920735
no woman would write this, even as a troll.

>>10920839
> “Well because I buy my gf gifs I don’t see why you guys are complaining!!!11!11!!”
Not everyone is as lucky as you. Your very privileged to understand jfashion and be able to afford the things you pay for.

Stop dating men who hate you
Moids: stop dating women you hate
Simple as.

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>send fiancee link to item I want on Mercari
>moments later get a PayPal notification of funds
>buy item
>???
>profit

I don’t see what the big deal is, whenever I don’t want to spend a lot of money on an item I make my fiancee pay for it. He is getting better at telling what brands are my main pieces. It’s very cute. Don’t settle for less.

>>10920855
Nayrt, but privileged to understand jfashion? There's mountains of info about it available for free. Ntm if your girlfriend is into it and you pay any kind of attention to her interests you'll pick up the relevant stuff by observing and/or talking about it.

>>10920839
Your girlfriend deserves better than someone who spends his time calling other women subhuman leeches and whores online because they said one completely inconsequential thing you don't agree with. That is if you aren't just lying.

>>10920864
Where did you find him? I swear men are so goddamn cheap these days, they don't even wanna pay for dates, much less anything else.

>>10920882
It's because you're dating terminally online men. Date cool dudes like me, and don't be annoying.

>>10920864
That's cute, but heads up—don't expect this to last once you're well into marriage. He'll feel used unless you do something just as based for him. You know, unless you're an online succubus and he's a pussy, in which case you'll just make him hollow. Just reciprocate that shit without it feeling forced. Enjoy marriage and be a great partner.

>>10920206
Not trying to change your mind, but maybe I can give ya some insight with what the fuck's up with us homies. Like, the reason why so many men are clueless is cause most men aren't experienced with relationships unless they're somewhat unique and shit. Even then, they still don't get a woman's perspective because we just aren't social in the same way you are. The ones that are? They spend more time with boys than girls over all. Add that with the fact we literally don't mature at the same rate as you, and it explains why we so dumb. Like, seriously, if you're dating someone who is roughly your age, """"nerdy"""", and doesn't have an original bone in his body in any capacity (let alone testosterone), just dip.

>>10920260
Rule of thumb: he should at least pay for 1-3 big things. Don't ever expect him to pay anywhere close to $1000. That's a lot to ask of anybody. If he spends that, it's probably on something he thinks will be important to you, so he'll pick it. Just hope you can educate him so it ain't shit. The only exception to all of this is if he buys cringey materialistic consoomer shit for himself that's as expensive as your hobby. In which case, stop dating """men""" who use discord.

>>10920882
>she doesn't know
Respectfully, you're having a woman moment. I encourage you to ponder why.

>>10920859
This.

>>10920890
anon #3 here: that explains it. i've been married for too long and thought zoomer men were different, but maybe you're just too isolated. back when i was still dating, men would actually get upset if i tried to pick up the check for them, and i could always expect a gift or grand gesture for birthdays and holidays, so i wondered where that standard went.

Notice how the manhater's posts weren't deleted. Only the backlash to her posts.

>>10920890
>Don't ever expect him to pay anywhere close to $1000. That's a lot to ask of anybody.
I'll be honest, any single purchase north of $100 feels like a lot. If you're committed to each other that's great, but if you're still at the stage of your relationship where you're bitching about each other anonymously online I can understand being hesitant.

>>10921081
i think it depends on your relationship's status (how long have you been together? are you dating, engaged, or married? do you live together?) and what your financial situations are. i wouldn't expect a boyfriend to buy you a brand new OP if you're casual or broke, but it'd be reasonable to expect a gift relevant to your interests now and then, and several brands release accessories, novelties, and lookbooks that are affordable enough and would still be thoughtful gifts for a lolita GF.

if it's a situation where you're constantly getting things for your bf and he never reciprocates, yeah, that's an issue, but on the other hand if it's a situation where one of you is the sole breadwinner, it can be unreasonable to ask too much on top of that.

tldr lolita is expensive, but i don't think any of the girls here are expecting to be treated to a full wardrobe. most girls just want you to pay attention to their interests. if you're poor, take her to look around and get her a pin or a mug or a $20 gift card or something. i promise she'll appreciate the gesture.

>>10920961
/cgl/ - advice on how to date a paypig

>>10917456
Provide a visual guide of lolita styles. I'm curious about the differences.

>>10921098
Find someone lonely and vulnerable. You don't have to be pretty and he or she doesn't have to be stupid. This is how cults ensnare smart people. They offer them affirmation and companionship instead of a matter they can examine and debate. Once they are hooked, the cult uses emotional manipulation to make them feel scared of abandonment and guilty to keep them compliant. The pissy dyke knows what she is doing. Always with the anger and accusations. She makes her gf think it is her fault and responds by buying stuff to appease her.

>>10920877
I’m a female and there have been countless stories of lolitas ending up with shitty boyfriends who will literally say stuff like “stop wearing lolita or I’ll break up with you”. Please go back and lurk more.

>>10921125
That's true, but it doesn't have anything to do with what I said. My point was that understanding jfashion is a choice that anyone with the ability to read and an internet connection can make if they want to. Please re-read my message and pay attention to the details and context.

>>10917456
It’s the thought that counts

>>10921125
Nayrt, but these stories are very common. Always comes up when there's a online discussion about how supportive or unsupportive your family, partner and friends are.

>>10917456
What did you expect anon? Dunno where your are but lolita stores are basically nonexistent outside of japan

>>10921358
We have a bunch of them all over California. Not sure about other states

>>10921766
>a bunch
lol Cali has a bunch of the shit kawaii stores OP was talking about you larper.

>new bf
>visits him for weekend
> "I have a surprise day for you anon-chan"
> go to Lolita stores and get two full coords as gifts
>Happy time

There are some men who do know what lolita is but you just need to find them

>>10921929
But when a man likes lolita you people call him a creepy fetishist.

>>10921929
I'm one of those, and I probably have a more refined taste than you do, still I won't buy lolita to my gf, mostly because I think you whores are mentally insane based on what you post here, so despite me loving the fashion, I don't want my girl touching that shit nest with a infinite lenght pole

>>10921966
Best part is that the posts here are little different than what you would find on reddit or twitter.
Crazy bishes are universal.

>>10921947
yes, because if a man likes lolita he is probably a fetishist. Best case scenario is that your bf is neutral about lolita (doesn't hate it, doesn't love it) but learns some stuff about it because it's your hobby.

Why do you want your bf to know or care about lolita?
Do you get involved in his stupid moid interests?

>>10922103
Then stfu about crying that men don't know about lolita.

>>10922220
Btw I’m jerking off to Tyler when she was younger and hotter rn.

>>10922222
very well deserved digits, you made me re-discover a lolita that I previously and very softly stalked in here, then I stopped cause I just wanted to see more of her without bothering her, thanks

>>10922218
You know it's possible to know about something without it being a fetish or jack off material right?

>>10922229
You who call any man slightly knowledgable in lolita a creep should know that.

>>10922220
yeah see this is why no one wants to have sex with you. get well soon.

>>10922218
I haven't, wtf mate

>>10922234
Being sort of like "oh yeah, I think I heard about that. It's a wacky Japanese fashion isn't it?" Is a totally fine level of knowledge of lolita before you date the guy.

>>10922234
You're talking to multiple people here.

>>10921794
AP SF, BTSSB SF, H Naoto SF, Harajuku Hearts, Fairytale Boutique, and various others all carry lolita. Just admit you're an absolute retard who has never even step foot in California.

>>10921947
Because you guys sexualize it, typically as a DDLG-related thing or wanting to have sex while the girl is wearing lolita, and that's gross. If men were capable of appreciating it with being sexual about it, we wouldn't say that.

i wish my bf offered to do stuff i like with me

>>10920882
It’s always hilarious to me how all these men want a trad wife type and are all into traditional gender roles but with the notable exception that he’s supposed to provide ALL the finances in that arrangement.

I’m Russian, so it’s especially funny when these type guys go looking for a bride in Eastern Europe because they’re “more traditional and honest women” then get blasted with reality when Russian women expect gifts, a high salary, and to be generally well taken care of. These guys are too poor for a trad wife, and too gross and demanding for a more modern relationship and just end up as uncle trash because they’re unwilling to apply logical consistency to their relationship interests.

>>10922315
>If men were capable of appreciating it with being sexual about it, we wouldn't say that.
are you such a bot that you actually believe this, really?

>>10922364
>I’m Russian
and you're talking shit, you come from the gold digger capital of the world, consider suicide

>>10922375
Nta but I agree, if men weren't so fucking creepy and also centered how THEY feel about the fashion and how it relates to them and their attraction to it/us but rather were just appreciative of it they would be recieved a lot better.
>>10922376
Truth hurts doesn't it? If you want a trad wife you need to make trad wages

>>10922467
look, just take a break, and re-evaluate your life choices, I can't help you and I'm not sure you can help yourself at this point either

>>10922467
everyone wants a cosplay/lolita waifu but no one wants to deal with the maintenance that comes with that. being hot is expensive, and if these guys balk at the idea of buying brand for their girl, i can't help but wonder if they also cheap out on dates, or what they plan to do about engagement rings/wedding expenses.

>>10922478
>everyone wants a cosplay/lolita waifu
well I want one, except with a brain transplant, lolita brain is corrupted, except for the nazilitas, those gotta be hella fine

>>10917456
my bf is super supportive of my weirdo shit (lolita, jirai kei, etc.) but he's chinese and wearing jfash is p normal round those parts. that being said, he doesn't know a lot about lolita, but tbf he's a man. he can tell ugly shit from tasteful shit, and that's more than enough.

OP, appreciate his effort and if stuff like that bothers you, explain to him. I had to tell my bf that lolita requires the "cupcake shape"

>>10922376
Nayrt, they don't see it as gold digging. To them gold digging is someone pretending to love a rich person in order to get access to the rich person's resources. Some people think Russian women are gold diggers since they're very blunt about it. A trad relationship is an honest exchange of resources. There's nothing sneaky about it, no-one is getting deceived.
A trad wife doesn't have paid work outside of the home, and she doesn't work from home either. She handles (nearly) all of the household duties, that (plus sex and birthing children) is what she contributes to the partnership. Since she doesn't have an income her partner will have to pay for both of their expenses. Not having an income puts her in a vulnerable position, so someone who wants to be her partner will have to prove he is financially stable and has enough money to support 2 or more people before they get married. That's why it's the norm for Russian women to expect that the man pays for everything on their dates.

If that sort of thing goes against your values then simply don't go looking for a trad wife. If you want a relationship where the burden of expenses are shared by both partners then there are plenty of women in the west willing to have a 50/50 relationship with you. But that means shared household duties as well.

A problem arises when some guys want to share expenses with their partner, but they want her to do all of the trad wife duties. They want it both ways. That just isn't possible so these guys will not find someone willing to even try that with them, so they end up alone, bitter and complain about gold diggers who wouldn't even be interested in them since they have no gold to dig.

I would gladly buy my gf lolita dresses if it made her happy, and I'm fully aware they can be 300-500$.
No one is getting taken advantage of, a healthy relationship always has reciprocation in some form.

>>10922584
>A trad relationship is an honest exchange of resources. There's nothing sneaky about it, no-one is getting deceived.
damn son, nah, fuck you, you're married to the wallet, not the man, you can go right away and become a pump and dump for rich faggots that will buy you for the price of a fancy cocktail

>>10920882
>>10917831
As one of those "cheap" men, if you expect me to pay for everything, I'm going to pay for as little as possible. If you seem to be making an effort to act like a partner rather than a child, like occasionally offering to pay for dinner when we're on a date, then I'll happily start paying for all sorts of things.

I'm not asking for a 50/50 split, I'd be happy with as little as 80/20, but if you're not willing to do even this much then I'm going to write you off as selfish and entitled. Paying for couple activities is putting effort into the relationship. It's taking the money (which you spent time earning) and saying
>i want to use my time to help us have a fun together
If you aren't willing to put in this kind of effort then odds are you're not willing to put effort into other areas of the relationship either and that's a recipe for inevitable breakup.

I want to see you making an effort to contribute. If I see that effort from you then I'll happily take on the majority but if there's no effort, you're not worth the time.
>t. learned from long experience

>>10922590
You do realize this used to be the norm, right? That's why it's called a traditional relationship.
And what do you think will sustain a wife and kids? Love alone will not put bread on the table. Money matters.
Traditional relationships aren't loveless either, it just means that finances are part of the partner selection process and that once married the wife will become a stay at home wife and take care of the household and eventually children as well.

I don't know why you're so angry about this sort of relationship. No one is forcing you to be in one.

>>10922596
you're so retarded that I refuse to read past your first sentence, you don't deserve to discuss with me

>>10922593
nayrt, but did the people you reacted to say that they want the man to pay for everything? And did they say they would not reciprocate the effort/time/money their partner put in?

I've always been the generous one in relationships despite being the lower income partner. I have learned from that experience, so that if my partner isn't at least as generous as I am (be it financially or in other ways) then that's not a relationship I want to be in. They're showing they think I'm not worth the effort, and that this relationship isn't worth investing time, effort and money in. I absolutely detest people who are stingy in their relationships towards generous partners. These stingy people will gladly take everything you offer, expect things they're not doing for you (the hypocrisy, the audacity!) and ask for more.
If my partner has a lower income than I do, then I won't expect them to pay 50/50 since that would take a larger portion of their income compared to mine. Besides, there are lots of other ways to show your love to your partner. Care and consideration does not cost any money. The people who are stingy towards their partners are stingy not only with finances but also stingy with care and consideration.
If your experience is like mine I do understand, but I think there's also nothing wrong with saying you wished your partner valued you enough to gift you something once in a while at least.

My recent ex was worse than that. I gave him things I knew he wanted for his vintage collection and spent days looking around online for the exact items he was looking for in the exact color he wanted. Yet, this man has never given me anything even remotely lolita fashion related. All of his gifts to me (and there were few) were things HE wanted for himself or gifts that were intended to change me into a person he wanted me to be.

>>10922597
if you read the first sentence then you get the point well enough imo.

>>10922584
Only sane take in this thread. Not russian, but I am a stay at home wife. My spouse pays for most of my expenses, and even buys me lolita from time to time. However, I also handle all of the household chores. That can be a full time job, and we don't even have children yet. But both of us feel happy with the arrangement, since we're both putting in about equal work. I have some
savings of my own, but I try not to touch that since it's for emergencies.

If I was expected to contribute financially, I would definitely expect my spouse to start picking up household chores. Not just for fairness, but because if I had a big enough job/side hustle to contribute significantly, I wouldn't have time to get everything done. As a housewife, I have to get dishes, laundry, cleaning the floors and other surfaces, buying groceries, cooking dinner, managing finances and making sure the budget stays balanced (my spouse is awful at budgeting), caring for pets, and generally keeping the household from falling apart. I don't count sex because I enjoy that part. My spouse has seen what happens when I'm not there to do my part, too, and doesn't feel taken advantage of.

If you're splitting the chores up, then yeah, it's fair to expect to split the finances too. But if you want your wife to keep the house running solo, the least you can do is buy her some lolita.

>>10922611
>My spouse pays for most of my expenses, and even buys me lolita from time to time. However, I also handle all of the household chores.
yeah, and these whores want to have "a lady for cleaning" aka, do nothing all day... "in return"
I say fuck them in their neet assholes

>>10922612
where are these whores that say that in this thread?

>>10922612
if you're going to continue trolling this thread and use it as a way to vent about women in general just get the fuck out.

>>10922617
>>10922619
ure one of them, not fooling anyone

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>>10922651
exactly you try to bait and get expossed as the subhuman you really are, sorry, not sorry

>>10922655
that was weak, try again.

>>10922657
wak is your neet asshole at this point, get fucked

>>10922486
Are you white? Where did you meet him? Chinese men seem to really enjoy spoiling their girls.

>>10922593
Wanting men to pay for everything all the time is different than wanting him to spoil us once in a while. Not the same thing. I don't expect a man to pay my rent or bills or other basic expenses, but decent dates and little gifts would be nice. Also women do most of the emotional labor and housework in relationships, if that's not enough effort for you idk what to say.

>>10922659
you sound like a bot

>>10922669
ironic

>>10922314
> Fairytale Boutique
Fairytale boutique has been closed for years so I doubt you’ve been in cali lately either. It’s extremely rare that a dedicated Japanese fashion shop opens outside japan, there’s no point arguing that.

>>10922674
I literally live in the bay area, bitch. Admit that you're a retard who has never been to California and you were wrong.

>>10922706
idk man both you sluts sounds pretty retarded to me...

>>10922478
Agreed. If you want a "hot" wife who does everything for you and doesnt work you need to pay for skincare, nails, makeup, hair, her fashion, a diet that keeps her healthy, etc. If you want kids with her expect to possibly pay for a tummy tuck and other childcare options so she can get some rest. On top of that if she's a cosplayer you're paying for that warbla.

Is this the femcel thread?

>>10922770
every thread on /cgl/ is the femcel thread

>>10922706
>lives in bay area
>doesn't know h naoto SF and fairyland have been closed for years

bad larp

>>10922779
And that Harajuku Hearts and AP SF are the same store...

>>10922770
Everyone here is talking about their current bfs or exes. Do you know what a femcel is? Girls who date successfully and get bfs are not that.

>>10922863
Well, they just use femcel as "female I disagree with ".

>>10920882
Inflation is up, salaries aren't. Dates that go nowhere are like burning money.

>>10922666
I am mixed race (black and white). Met him at university in the U.S., and I can confirm that chinese men spoil women. According to other chinese ppl I know, specifically northern and north eastern men are the nicest.

>>10923019
Enjoy staying single.

>>10923116
There's a word for women who give you companionship in exchange for money. Prostitutes.

>>10923229
Men paying for dates are not paying for the companionship, they're either paying to show her how invested he is and that he's financially stable OR he is trying to guilt her into sleeping with him that very night.

Here's a gender neutral take on the situation. Even if you go 50/50 it will still cost money to date. If you do not have money or aren't willing to pay for half then you should not date. "dates that go nowhere" I hope you mean that it won't result in a committed relationship. If that is the case then you should not date because you can never be sure it will lead to that kind of relationship. Getting to know people is always a gamble and takes time and effort from the both of you.

>bf is supportive of lolita and seems to like it
>but he never wants me to wear it when we go out because the attention embarrasses him

>>10921966
You have the causality backwards, Lolita doesn't make women become crazy, crazy women are just more likely to be into weird niche fashion that stands out a lot. Frilly dresses can't corrupt your gfs mind like the ring from lotr

>>10923239
literally me if I dated a lolita, I guess being generally shy, schizo and smoking weed doesn't help either

>>10923238
Before I answer, are you a) a woman and b) are you >>10920882 or >>10923116

>>10918005
/cgl/ is pleasantly weird nowadays. It used to be considered a more cunty board, but it seems as if it has good girls on it nowadays.

>mbw she wants the nazilita outfit

>>10922666
>omen do most of the emotional labor
you shouldnt be rewarded for acting like a retard. men are simple creatures. you foids are the problem here

>>10917900
>The fact he even had AN IDEA of what you liked says a lot and here you are on 4chan hating the fact he tried to search your fashion and what it’s called to make you happy.
woman moment.

>>10917900
The bar is in hell

>>10923659
Bitch get the fuck out of here. Who do you support by being a cunt all around you. This is your "emotional labor"?

>>10923238
Women that go on dates only go half the time for free shit. Ladies were smarter back in the day, you kept your cards close to your tits. Now dudes see what women say about those dates for "companionship" and they opt out.

Don't worry about winning the argument though, youre absolutely right theyll stay single. But you're probably going to be there or divorced given the stats, so you'll be single too. The future is loneliness.

>>10923817
>so you'll be single too

don't threaten me with a good time.

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>>10920864
I demand to see the rest of that burger shop box.

>>10923964
>""""School""""
Take ur meds also how the fuck is any of this cosplay or lolita feels
This is why I never fucking look at the feels thread

>>10923876
cat, wine and prozak

>>10922315
No one cares when some foids are into bodacious muscle dudes in a sexual manner while for bros it isn't sexual (nohomo).

>>10922364
>trad is when foids dont work
In medieval europe women worked the fields too. Your definition of trad is a 20th century definition.

>>10922892
That's how incel is used too tho.
Man I disagree with = incel or manlet or norwood or has a tiny pecker

>>10923239
Let's be honest lolita fashion sticks out as much as dressing up as a clown.

>>10923239
Does he tell you to not wear it? Because that's called "controlling behavior" in my book and it's not really being supportive of lolita, or supporting of you even

>>10924245
He is not being controlling. You are being inconsiderate by dressing up like a clown and embarassing him in public.

>>10924246
If you date a lolita and you have issues with her clothes, you're the one with the problem. Not her.

>>10924255
Lolita fashion isn't everyday clothes. You're like a manchild who thinks he should dress up like a power ranger everywhere because he is into Power Rangers. You can do it home, you can do it at events. If you do it outside then you are a spectacle and anyone with you will be embarassed.

>>10924258
Lolitas have already gone far beyond the point of social acceptability. It's based on historical fashion, which was worn as true and honest clothes in the past. I know you can't think beyond your normie lifestyle of 2024, but people used to look and act a lot different long ago. You must not be into history or design, and that's OK. That's why you're just a normalfag, like most people. I wouldn't want to be outside with you either, you sound like you belong in the finasteride thread on /fa/.

>>10924258
nayrt, people with a healthy sense of self esteem aren't bothered by being seen with someone who wears lolita fashion or any other alternative fashion. If you don't like being seen with either of those then you should not date either of those.
You can ask your gf to tone it down if you're a little self conscious, but that's still a you problem, she doesn't have to do that for you, and her wearing what she wore before you met her is not disrespecting you or being inconsiderate.
If you don't want to be seen with someone wearing lolita fashion then simply don't date someone who wears lolita fashion. Don't complain about something you knowingly got yourself into. She was open and honest about what she likes to wear before you started dating, don't try to change her.

>>10924258
it's not mainstream fashion, I think that's what you're trying to say (or at least I hope). Lolita fashion comes in a varying degree of formality from casual on one side to super formal and elaborate on the other side and everything in between. Casual lolita fashion is completely suitable for everyday wear and regular everyday activities.
If you're not comfortable being seen in public with someone who isn't wearing mainstream fashion, then simply don't date someone who wears alternative fashion.

>>10920864
Are you the Kaiser anon from /y/?

>>10924258
>Lolita fashion isn't everyday clothes
but it is though
>like a manchild who thinks he should dress up like a power ranger everywhere
that's weird because that's a costume, lolita fashion isn't a costume it *is* everyday clothes.
>If you do it outside then you are a spectacle
why do I have to make myself smaller for people who I don't know and don't care about's comfort?
>anyone with you will be embarassed
sounds like people I don't want to be around in the first place.

>>10920864
>Don’t settle for less.
>dating an actual irl paypig
Oof

>>10924104
This isn't the feels thread kek

>>10924292
Friends buy things for eachother sometimes. Boyfriends withstanding...

>>10924331
nayrt, can confirm that 2 of my non-lolita friends have bought me stuff from btssb.

>>10924268
>Lolitas have already gone far beyond the point of social acceptability
Most people don't even know lolitas exist. They take pictures of you in public because you're an odd sight.

>It's based on historical fashion, which was worn as true and honest clothes in the past
What kind of argument is this. This is not the past. Go out in georgian era fashion and see if people don't look at you weird.

>>10924269
Do you people not have jobs or something? Do you not realize that even alt fashion people don't wear alt fashion much of the time?

>Casual lolita fashion is completely suitable for everyday wear and regular everyday activities.
So are fishnet t-shirts in the summer but you'll still look like a weird sex offender if you go out in public wearing them. Utility doesn't make acceptability. Hell, a fursuit would be completely suitable for the biting cold but you'd still alarm those around you wearing it.

>>10924273
>but it is though
But it isn't.

>lolita fashion isn't a costume
She said in the cosplay board.

>sounds like people I don't want to be around in the first place.
Good. Don't. Go be a laughing stock by your lonesome.

>>10924396
Why are you so afraid that someone will look at you weirdly? You might need to talk through your low self esteem with a friend or family member.

>>10924292
kek, pussy for hire for actual pussies

>>10924396
>But it isn't.
great rebuttal, should we keep going "nuh uh" "uh huh" at each other?

>She said in the cosplay board.
yes because someone made the stupid decision in 2004 decided to lump lolita and cosplay together; I don't think you should use what an uninformed 16 year old did 20 years ago as support for your reasoning.
It's the cosplay *AND* lolita board. notice how they're separate.

>Good. Don't. Go be a laughing stock by your lonesome.
This might come as a shock to you but I have friends and sometimes I wear lolita when I hang out with them. And sometimes they wear lolita, too. Scandalous,

Serious question, why are you so upset at what other people wear? We all have kind of accepted that people will look at us weird when we go out wearing lolita but we still do it anyways because it's fun and makes us happy.

>>10924430
The normalfag has internalized his self repression for the sake of imagined social rules, and projects his repressed resentment and envy onto others who seem not to follow these rules, since if he were to accept them that would mean he stifles himself for no reason.

>>10924431
He keeps going "Other people are going to think youre a freak!", "Other people are going to laugh at you!" and it's like, OK, so what? Why is he on the board that is dedicated entirely to dressing weird and thinks any of us give a shit about his or any other normie's opinion of what we wear is?

>>10924322
damn i was high as fuck I mixed the two threads up cause the same shit is happening in both of em

>>10924396
>Do you people not have jobs or something? Do you not realize that even alt fashion people don't wear alt fashion much of the time?

I know a lot of lolitas who do wear lolita daily at their jobs because their job allows them to. And for the ones whose job does not allow them to (mostly because they wear work uniforms) they still wish they could wear lolita unless it was not practical to do so.

>So are fishnet t-shirts in the summer
Depending on the law in your location showing too much skin may be against the law. Lolita fashion doesn't break the law in the large majority of places.

>a fursuit would be completely suitable for the biting cold but you'd still alarm those around you wearing it.
a fursuit hides your entire body, people can't see who is wearing it so public safety may be a concern. It's also a costume whilst lolita fashion is not, a fursuiter is literally dressing up as a fictional species (not even a human being). So of course it's going to grab some attention. But even so, so fucking what? If it doesn't harm anyone or put anyone in danger and isn't breaking any laws, it doesn't really fucking matter. Lolita fashion is a fashion, not a costume, it's not cosplay and it's not dressing up as a fictional character (for example Mario costume) or being some sexy version of a work uniform (for example sexy nurse halloween costume). I understand that it draws some attention because it's an alternative fashion, but so what? It's still regular clothes, just not mainstream fashion. Casual lolita is both practical and mainstream fashion adjacent.

>She said in the cosplay board.
CGL is for cosplay and EGL. So this is the cosplay and EGL board. Cosplay and lolita aren't the same thing. One is a costume, the other an alternative fashion.

>Go be a laughing stock by your lonesome.
we're generally not bothered if people stare at us as most of us simply consider it an unintended side effect of wearing an alternative fashion, why are you?

>>10924431
>>10924432

Both of these 100%

>>10917456
>women vs men thread
cringe

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This is literally a bot OP. I can't believe you tards are this oblivious. The absolute state of cgl.

>>10924508
my thoughts exactly

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>>10923964
>this post gets deleted
>the rest of this thread is still up
>no ban
where you really that mad over the truth? women are supposed to love their children more than their husbands yet this is what pisses you off?

>>10924647
seen the post, post the pic, I'm curious, but also this:
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>>10924508
a million times so, "herbs"

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>>10922103
I like lolita and have dated a couple of girls who are into the fashion, but it's not a sexual thing at all for me, it inspires affection rather than lust.

>>10920202
You'd think so, but as a guy who doesn't mind going shopping with girls I've been told that I'm unique or rare in their experience on many occasions. I've never really understood it myself, like yeah it can get annoying sometimes especially if it drags on for hours and hours but I like seeing my girl in cute stuff and being seen with her when she's wearing it so it's worth it to me.

Personally it's long been my opinion that the traits that make a guy good IN relationships run counter to the ones that make him good at getting relationships and it leads to women mostly dating shitty guys who give them a disproportionately bad impression of the whole gender. If you don't give a fuck what women think or feel it's a lot easier to be aggressive and pushy about getting together with them but it makes you a shitty partner to actually be with, and unfortunately most women have been conditioned to stonewall guys and hide signs of attraction even when they ARE interested so it's only those assholes who manage to push through.

>>10917831
My fiance mentioned that she was into EGL at one point but that she didn't have the money at the time to buy coords.
Something about it kicked my autism into high gear (might be my interest in ornate military uniforms) and I gained a genuine appreciation for it.
I get her coords/EGL related stuff on occasion now cause she loves them and I think she looks wonderful in them.
She's generally into gothic/military lolita, pic related is a dress and boots she liked that I got for her.

If there's anywhere you specific I should read about the subject more to gain a vetter understanding of it I'd greatly appreciate some resources.

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>>10924767
Damn it, image didn't post, reposting

>>10924767
>>10924768
Well that dress and those boots aren't lolita in the slightest so looks like your autism failed you

>>10924778
Why do you say they're not in the slightest?

>>10924849
Because they aren't. The dress is just some military cosplay looking thing with no recognizable aspects of lolita, the boots are just some boots

>>10924767
What
>>10924778
Said, at least if you're gonna fake a story don't get caught like this, go join some Facebook groups and read some fyeahlolita posts first.

>>10925665
fyeahlolita was a blog for itas by itas

>>10924508
this, you fucking retards

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>>10917456
>no one knows this is a cigarette copypasta

>>10925725
How though? Fyeahlolita had lots of insightful articles for lolitas back in the day. Their post about the book Lolita and how it’s connected/unrelated to the fashion still holds up today, they also made a great guide for how to wash lolita dresses.

>>10917456
what are you complaining about? i wish i had a boyfriend

>>10924767
>>10924768
sorry anon your fiance is just a military goth, this isn't lolita in the slightest

>>10923546
all the cunts have gone to /cow/

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>>10923546
/cgl/ has mellowed out, most people have moved on, there's hardly any attention to be gained here, no keyboard fights left to fight.

>>10922103
>>10922315
>or wanting to have sex while the girl is wearing lolita, and that's gross
I don't care it's two consenting adults. I'm not into that "pretend the woman is a child stuff" personally but I've seen lots of different styles that convey different feelings. I'd consider some of the stuff I've seen to be sexually arousing. I don't get what's gross about that. As an autist I can also appreciate some aspects of the fashion. That's why I lurk here, not to masturbate. But if I had a gf and she offered sex in gothic lolita I'd take her up on it.

>>10933799
>I want my gf to keep her lolita outfit on when I fuck her, but I swear it's not for creepy reasons

Suuuure. Now begone male.

>>10917456
oh look, it's the bot thread

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>>10933850
I don't understand this logic. Are you saying lolita cosplayers actually feel and look like a little girl when you wear these outfits? That seems like a sign of mental illness.

>>10933864
>lolita cosplayers

Lolita fashion isn't cosplay.
You have demonstrated you know nothing about lolita fashion. You're in no position to argue.

>>10933866
>costume
>: an outfit worn to create the appearance characteristic of a particular period, person, place, or thing
>: a person's ensemble of outer garments
especially : a woman's ensemble of dress with coat or jacket
>cosplay literally means costume play

Cosplay doesn't strictly have to be a fictional character from anime anon. How is a Japanese subculture built on women LARPing as little Eurpean girls in the Victorian era not considered a costume play? Is it only cosplay if it's some woman dressed as Asuna from Sword Art Online? Even if I'm wrong, I think you are arguing semantics in an attempt to destroy my credibility,

> You have demonstrated you know nothing about lolita fashion.

I usually like the style and aesthetic, but I alse generally enjoy old European garb. I'm not claiming to be an expert on the topic, but calling it cosplay doesn't seem incorrect at all. If I'm wrong, I'd like to know why. My argument didn't exactly start in good faith so I'll try to do the proper thing and adjust my argument.

If men wanting to have sex with women dressed in lolita cosplay is wrong, then why explicitly is it wrong? And if these reasons have a pedophilic undertone, then why is not concerning for a grown woman to want to appear and act in way that she herself sees as childlike or even infantile? Why is it wrong for a man to fetishize these qualities, and act on them (if both adults are consenting), but acceptable for a grown woman to present these qualities? Isn't the term itself a reference to the novel in which an older man grooms a 12-year-old girl? I guess the culture is so far removed from its origin that people don't think about that. Either way, I am genuinely curious about your perspective. I personally don't see style as pedophilic. I was honestly surprised by the term when I first heard it since I was familiar with the novel. I take the look of an outfit as a case-by-case thing: some don't look childlike to me, and some do.

>>10933866
Because you said so? It is dressup.

>>10933872
>It is dressup.
nta, but it clearly isn't dressing "normal", absolute freaks these whores

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>>10933874
Dress up isn't normal for grown ups. Plus lolitas are materialistic and unhinged. All their spaces have drama because they are nasty people.

>>10917456
ITT: clueless NPCs getting farmed

>>10933799
I doubt anyone has ever had sex in lolita fashion unless they were being paid to do so. Do you understand that one coord costs hundreds to thousands of dollars? Nobody is going to risk getting lube, semen, saliva or whatever other liquids on these. They are precious luxury items.

>>10933871
With "cosplay", especially on this board, people mean costumes worn to look like fictional characters. In japan people also consider a sexy nurse halloween costume cosplay, but that plus the fictional character costumes are the broadest definition of cosplay. Alternative fashions do not fall under that umbrella. Lolita fashion is, as the term suggests, a fashion. Lolita fashion isn't a mainstream fashion. It looks weird compared to mainstream fashion but that does not make it a costume. You might as well call gothic fashion cosplay as well then.

>LARPing as little Eurpean girls in the Victorian era
lolita fashion isn't historical clothing. It's at most inspired by it but it is not intended to be historically accurate or a modern version of historical clothing. In some styles there's little to no historical inspiration used. It also isn't intended to make the wearer look like a child. This is a misconception some westerners have because they don't understand the context this fashion was born in. Cuteness in japan (aka kawaii) isn't limited to children/childhood, and cute culture and goods are frequently marketed towards adults. afaik every western culture only associates cuteness with childhood, and expects children to give it up/grow out of it before they turn 18.

>why is it wrong?
because sexualizing lolita fashion (for any reason) is gross and wrong to 99,9999% of lolitas, since they don't see the fashion as sexual and find it disturbing someone, especially if that someone is their partner, wants her to wear it during sex. There is more to it but I need to stay under the character limit.

>"lolita" by Nabokov
lolita fashion isn't intended to make the wearer look like a character from the book and it never was, nor is lolita fashion intended to attract men who are into little girls or the illusion of it. The idea that lolita fashion is based on the book is a misconception.
If you want more information then please ask, but don't do so in bad faith.

>>10933872
only in the same sense that gothic fashion is dressup. Nothing wrong with that imo. The most negative, but still true, thing you could say about lolita fashion is that (for some) it is escapism.

>>10933875
>lolitas are materialistic and unhinged. All their spaces have drama

then why are you here if we are so bad?

>>10933881
100%. The large majority of lolitas are against this with every fiber of their being. Many breakups as a result of boyfriends asking to do this.

>>10933887
Because it is the cosplay board. There are other reasons too but I know better than to open my heart to you.

>>10933888
Should had agreed on the condition that the bf buys them a coord out of his pocket first to drive the point across.

>>10933881
>>10933888
>>10933892
I've been that boyfriend and never wanted to fuck her in lolita for that exact reason, I was way too aware of what that shit cost to want to ruin it like that. It's not really practical with all of the petticoats and tights and bloomers and stuff going on under the skirt anyway.

I will say though that I think girls in the right styles are very attractive and that it's fun to take the outfit off of them, like unwrapping a fancy present, but I feel like I should make clear that both my taste and my ex's run toward the more mature, subdued classic and gothic styles of lolita and I don't feel that way about the really childish sweet stuff.

>>10933885
>the idea that lolita fashion is based on the book is a misconception.
If you want more information then please ask, but don't do so in bad faith.

Huh? Then where else did the name come from? Are you saying the book had no influence? (Or at least a minimal one.) If you got some info tell me. I won't trust Wikipedia, I'll hear it directly from the community.

>Cuteness in japan (aka kawaii) isn't limited to children/childhood, and cute culture and goods are frequently marketed towards adults. afaik every western culture only associates cuteness with childhood, and expects children to give it up/grow out of it before they turn 18.

So for you, the idea, of lolia fashion is decoupled from the idea of childhood?

>because sexualizing lolita fashion (for any reason) is gross and wrong to 99,9999% of lolitas, since they don't see the fashion as sexual and find it disturbing someone, especially if that someone is their partner, wants her to wear it during sex. There is more to it but I need to stay under the character limit.

If someone doesn't want to do something then they don't want to do it. I have no problem respecting that. But I don't understand how the desire is inherently "gross", especially if the cuteness aspect needn't be connected with a feeling of childhood. What others are saying about the effort and meaning that goes into an outfit makes more sense to me. Like if I worked all night on a diorama I could understand not having sex on top of it. But I wouldn't feel disgusted, I would just think it's funny and say "No thanks". But I guess women and men on average are just different mentally. Or maybe I'm just someone who strongly compartmentalized his emotions so I don't get into situations where they overlap in ways I don't want them to.

>>10933888
I guess I don't get romantic relationships. If someone persisted asking after you already said no then I get it though. I'd ever only ask once.

>>10933898
>Huh? Then where else did the name come from?

lolita fashion already existed when people started to use the term "lolita" to specifically refer to lolita fashion. Of course at that point it didn't look exactly like the lolita fashion we know today, it was one of the earlier stages of the fashion. There is a lot of reading material that explains the timeline and how this happened, but it's incredibly dry and lengthy material that assumes you already know a lot about lolita fashion. I can look up a link if you want. What it basically boils down to is that the usage of the term to specifically refer to lolita fashion started with fashion magazines, then was picked up in a wider sense and by the end of the 90s all publications used the term. Whether brands referred to themselves as a lolita fashion brand at that time, some did and some didn't. Most if not all of them do today for practical reasons. It's incredibly difficult to change the name of an established alternative fashion culture so we have never made much progress towards changing it. Most western lolitas wish it had a different name so that other people wouldn't have the wrong associations. Lolitas themselves (in japan and internationally) do not associate it with the book. Lolita the novel by Nabokov and lolita fashion are two different things. Japanese lolitas themselves have made it a point to be very clear that, other than the name, it's not related to anything inside the book itself. One of the things they tried to distinguish the two is to use a different spelling.

>lolia fashion is decoupled from the idea of childhood?
I don't associate lolita fashion with childhood. I see it as a cute style predominantly made for women. A style that mixes (to a greater or lesser extent) inspiration from historical fashion with japanese cute culture.

>>10933898
I'll answer the other questions somewhat later.

>>10933894
beta

>>10933892
>Should had agreed on the condition that the bf buys them a coord out of his pocket first to drive the point across.

If he accepts that deal then you have to go through with it and be seen as a prostitute, or admit you only said it to make a point about how expensive it is.

I also wish that lolita fashion was included in a board solely for j-fashion and not have to shack up with cosplay. I hide nearly all of the cosplay threads because they're usually -intended to be masturbation material -a thread made with the purpose of complaining about the state of cons today -a thread asking how to get laid (or even just socialize) at cons -a question that really should have been asked in one of the questions threads instead of creating a new thread for it. Entitled people wanting instant gratification and can't be bothered to do a google search. -some con on the other side of the world -a troll/bait thread about fat people/people that aren't asian and aren't white/women/yellow fever.

>>10933894
>girls in the right styles are very attractive

I think you need to be above average looking and can't be fat or have a straight up and down figure for gothic and classic. If you're ugly or fat or your waist isn't smaller than your underbust then wearing those styles is just going to accentuate how ugly you are.

>>10933898
>I don't understand how the desire is inherently "gross"

That usually has to do with the reason(s) lolitas love lolita fashion and what it means to them.
Common reasons lolitas love lolita fashion; it is unapologetic feminine beauty without taking into consideration what men consider attractive, it's cute, it covers a lot of skin, it's a means of self expression and/or art, depending on the style it's innocent/sweet/wholesome/elegant/royal/mysterious/dark/edgy, escapism, the community aspect, associated activities such as sewing/tea parties/embroidery/crochet, planning your outfits is like playing one of those fashion games, an overal interest in japanese culture.

Lolita fashion is also commonly thought to have started as a rebellion against societal expectations in japan, as this was a time when women had to follow a trajectory they weren't allowed to stray from. Finish school, get a job and look for a husband asap, then start being a housewife and have children. They were supposed to dress a certain way to look respectable but at the same time also appealing to men. Lots of young women considered this oppressive. Whether that's 100% accurate I don't know, but it matters because a lot of western lolitas think it is and think the origin story is appealing.

Also important to note that for lolitas lolita fashion isn't just "not sexy", it's inherently nonsexual and rejects catering to society/male gaze. Disgust is a fairly universal reaction lolitas have when others sexualize them because it's something that expresses who they are, it's something that is just for them and it's supposed to be free from sexualisation.

>>10933898
another thing to take into consideration is that the large majority of men think lolita is a weird and unattractive style, especially japanese men.
Also when your partner asks this of you then a few questions naturally pop up. 1-does my partner like me for me or did he get into a relationship with me because he has a fetish? 2-does he think it's sexual for me too? 3- what other sexually deviant things is he into? 4-why does he consider it sexual?
It's gross when people sexualise it in general, even grosser if your partner does it, but there's also the feeling you can't fully trust him anymore because of the aforementioned questions that pop up. This is why when this happens lolitas typically consider the relationship a lost cause.

>>10933912
Fat people look bad in everything, including all style of lolita. I think stick figures can do alright in classic though, some pieces really rely on that bust/waist ratio but there's also other stuff in the genre that can hide it well, I've seen a lot of classic pieces with shoulder capes or short jackets that would look good on a girl without much upper body shape.

>>10933937
>Fat people look bad in everything
they do, but they look even worse in tailored looks/cuts. Those reveal and emphasize all of the rolls, lumps and bumps.

>>10933924
>another thing to take into consideration is that the large majority of men think lolita is a weird and unattractive style, especially japanese men
NTA but unfortunately all the DDLG pedos (sadly a HUGE amount of men are into this shit... like unavoidable amounts of them) these days love sweet lolita because they think it's little girl clothes. Never seen men fetishize classic or gothic like that though, that part is true.

>>10933941
>Never seen men fetishize classic or gothic like that though, that part is true.
It's funny to be because those two, especially classic, are by far the most attractive styles to me as well. I don't fetishize them at all either though, they appeal to my heart rather than other parts.

It is weird aside from that though because gothic and classic are by far the most commonly represented in male-oriented anime and other media, and they've got some aesthetic stuff in common with things like maid costumes that guys typically go for, but as you say you don't really see guys who are into them IRL.

>>10933941
Online it always seems like these degenerates are a large part of the male population, but that's because they search for lolita social media accounts, lolita websites and content. That can't be used as an example of what men are generally like irl. I hear far more stories of lolitas whose boyfriends ask them to stop wearing it, are embarrassed to be seen with them than hearing hear about boyfriends who it turns out are into if for fetish reasons.
Lots of Japanese lolitas also complain about how difficult it is to find a partner who accepts that they wear the fashion.

>>10933943
>gothic and classic are by far the most commonly represented in male-oriented anime

Can you give a few examples? I haven't seen any good representation of lolita fashion in anime lately.

>>10933946
Honestly I haven't watched new anime in years but there was a lot of goth in older anime, from official art and figures of the Eva girls in obviously gothic lolita-inspired outfits, Kuroneko from Oreimo, Tokisaki in Date A Live, Rory in GATE, Victorique from GOSICK and Kobato from Haganai (who are also the other type of lolita as well), even Stocking from Panty and Stocking. A lot of those would get ridiculed as ita bullshit if somebody wore them in real life (outside of a cosplay context obviously) but they're inspired by and described as lolita. Classic isn't quite as common but Rozen Maiden is the obvious example (and it's also got a bunch of stuff obviously inspired by '90s gothic stuff) and I've also seen a lot of random harem anime with school uniforms that are obviously inspired by classic lolita and stuff like that. You also see hybrid styles like Wa-Lolita in a lot of stuff and a lot of stuff also tends more toward ero-lolita just because anime.

Actual sweet is a lot rarer, even when characters have pastel outfits the cuts and detailing are usually much more like old-school gothic and you virtually never see prints or patterns, but a lot of that is probably because it's hard to animate.

Actually, looking back I think there was one anime years ago that actually collabed with one of the major brands, I think AP or BTSSB for costume design, can't remember exactly what it was but maybe one of the later CLAMP series.

>>10933949
Thank you for all the references. There might be some I haven't seen yet.

You're totally right, that used to be more common for figures to have a "gosurori version". I think the lolita community is pretty accepting of lolita fashion in anime. Most outfits in anime seem to be more lolita inspired than actual lolita, and the community used to refer to that as "anime lolita". A good example would be Chobits. Many of the outfits are very obviously inspired by lolita fashion, but there's nearly always one or two things about the outfit that disqualify it from being lolita. I think the reason is that creators obviously think lolita is cute but they aren't lolitas themselves so they don't know how to build a proper outfit. There might be some exceptions.

I'm not sure the school uniforms that look classic are actually inspired by classic lolita, I think it's more likely that they're using the same stuff as inspiration (ladylike European fashion of the past). The whole "vaguely historical European aesthetic" has been popular there for a long time, especially for the interior of small shops and cafés. It just seems to be what they think of if you say European. Think dark wood details, floral wallpaper, hanging plants, ivy, doilies, pretty silverware, English tea cups, random lace details, antique looking furniture. Classic looking dresses with simple designs and lace used sparingly fits the vaguely historical European vibe. A lot like what IW is doing now with the longer dresses that don't have much embellishments. But these are not often depicted as full length dresses in anime (Ouran host club for example). Knee length or just over the knee is most common.

What would be a good representation of sweet lolita? I can only think of Miwako in Paradise Kiss at the moment. A lot of sweet stuff in anime is more idol than lolita.

Btssb doing costume design for a media property has happened more than once. They've also loaned out their existing designs.

>>10933969
Shit, I forgot to reply to this a month ago.
>A lot like what IW is doing now with the longer dresses that don't have much embellishments
Oh damn, I hadn't looked at what was on sale in a long time (really since I last dated a Lolita, which was ages ago) but those are really nice, exactly my taste. I guess I can see how it'd be debatable whether it's lolita or just lolita-adjacent though.

>What would be a good representation of sweet lolita? I can only think of Miwako in Paradise Kiss at the moment. A lot of sweet stuff in anime is more idol than lolita.
Honestly I can't think of examples either, other than maybe a few figures I've seen over the years (and I can't think of specific ones of those either), and yeah it tends to be more toward idol. I'd bet there are some slice of life-type anime with token lolita characters that wear sweet but I haven't seen them. I pretty much quit watching new anime 6 or 7 years ago so I'm not sure what's happened since then, seems to me that "true" lolita in anime in general was mostly a '90s and '00s thing though.

>>10917456
thats a feel we have all felt at one time

>>10924237
nta but is housekeeping not simply another kind of work?

>>10939298
The feel that you should kill yourself is universal. "Many are saying this"

>>10917972
Okay lesbo.

>>10917868
let me guess she is a gross fat legbeard, caz otherwise you would fight over dresses or she would laugh at you for dressing like a child

>>10921929
I don’t like Lolita, but I know what it is. I’m also half Japanese so that’s probably it.

If I had a GF into it I’d probably like to see her in more mount meme Mountie blue and black iron gate stuff than angelic pretty

I’m more into guns, tools, dogs, going to the gym and shit like warhammer but I don’t mind taking my partners to places they enjoy. Used to take my ex to custom makeup stores all the time…

Guys aren’t as stupid as the media portrays

>>10933924
Most men don’t find lolita sexually attractive. I definitely don’t, it’s just some hobby girls get into and fall out of when they get older.

>wanting to have sex while the girl is wearing lolita,

Seems like a lot of fabric that’s expensive and difficult to maintain to get in the way… sounds more of a thing girls into the fashion fantasize about.

>>10922467
>Truth hurts doesn't it? If you want a trad wife you need to make trad wages

Why do you assume that men just want you to do household chores? Most girls these days only eat out or do doordash. I cook and clean for myself, I don’t need some random chick to prep meals for me who doesn’t know my macro needs or what my body weight is to hit my protein needs

I have expensive power tools that could hurt you and guns laying around. I have a roomba and a Dyson don’t need a Stacey you better bring more to a relationship than cleaning up after yourself because if you can’t even do that you’re not even an adult

Most women these days just bring a high body count and debt to a relationship anyways

>retards still taking the female vs male bait
never chang!