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>>10940388This is cute
>>10940389I so much want to fix this. From the top down: A wig to balance out proportionA good braCardigan that fitsIron EverythingLonger skirt in a better colorCute boots to bring up the eye and help with proportion
>>10940395its extremely ita
>>10940395It's a mess but if she were skinny and less dumpy she could probably pull it off.
Everything for wearing THAT dress
I feel like there are rarely actually lolitas on tiktok
>>10940441Is there any good lolita on TikTok that you recommend ?
>>10940440Aside from objective assessments of outfit quality, why do some people like this act like wearing unusual clothes makes them "lose aura"? Do they even like the clothes they choose to wear?
>>10940447Most lolitas post on ig, or don't post online at all. But I do enjoy mewklekitty and sweetmaybelle (she mostly does german content, but also sometimes adds english subtitles) jess.teabunny has solid coords too. They're also some smaller creators who actually try, like rusialuvs for example. Most lolitas on tiktok are just 'trendhoppers' tho
>>10940468mewklekitty is so ita
>>10940470Why do you think so? The only thing she did, that could be considered ita, is not wearing a petticoat for once
lmao, the troons
>>10940138Basically just don't call it lolita and/or don't be fat and nobody gets hurt feefees
>>10940487Genuine question but what do you do if you’re actively losing weight between the time you still look fat and the time people will only notice you for your coord and not your excess weight? Assuming in that timeframe you wear the fashion do you just accept that some asshole on the internet is going to share your pic to call you a lard while you’re actively improving yourself? Wearing an ita coord can be fixed overnight but weight loss can take months to years depending on how overweight someone started out.
>>10940507It's probably best to keep wearing it and pursuing goals. >do you just accept that some asshole on the internet is going to share your pic to call you a lard while you’re actively improving yourself?Yeah, it just comes with the territory of being the nail that sticks out. If it's not because of being a lard it could/will be something else.
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>>10940507nayrt but it is extremely rare that people get posted here just because they're fat. It's also rare that lolitas are posted here just because they have an ugly face. And when that happens people just call them out for vendetta posting or something like that. There are plenty of fat lolitas who post publicly that I have never seen posted to the ita thread. Just assume that if people are posted to the ita thread it's because of the way they dress. If you're curious why an outfit is deemed bad then just ask, I'm sure you will get some explanations.Also well done on improving yourself, that already puts you miles ahead of the people who don't even try.
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>>10940514those purple tights on the left, that ugly blouse in the middle, and those mismatched colour and length socks on the end. at least theyre all equally retarded>>10940515that fucking tranny on the end, ugly ass mismatched everything and pink converse???>>10940516sneakers...>>10940519better shoes needed, better petticoat, everything else looks pretty ok, just her ugly facial expression is off putting >>10940520the tie, the new rocks, christ >>10940522thats such a cute skirt ruined by such a retarded lardita. what is with that weird sweater thing? who told her this looked good?
>>10940515For the tartan girl the dress is the fit, otherwise everything else is ugly ew
>>10940595The tartan dress is the only good thing about her outfit. The socks, shoes and blouse look low quality. Can't see the headdress though. The makeup is horrible.
Another ugly tiktoker defending Amazon with excuses like “i am American I like fast and convenient”. Also brings up “racialized america” and being trans as if that changes anything
>>10940601Literally what part of a Japanese subculture fashion hobby (luxury, not necessity) has anything to do with America or American sociopolitics. I’m American and I’m sick with how many of us refuse to think globally.
>>10940520Nice vendetta post
>>10940601Beside from putting people down for telling him to not buy from amazon, he gives me such weird vibes and I can't even explain why. Something about him truly disgusts me
>>10940613AGP
>>10940613it's okay to be creeped out by a biological male who looks like a walmart version of Him from Powerpuff Girls. you don't need to justify it kek
I hate it when vkei fans dress in lolita
>>10940612This is so privileged bye
>>10940621WHALEITA
>>10940601I'm glad I don't have tiktok. But yeah it's the "I'm a victim so it's justified if I buy a replica" argument again. They will always say they're poor/too big/trans and that's why it's okay if they buy replicas, and if you say that there is nothing that justifies buying a replica then you're an elitist/fatphobic/transphobic.>>10940602>I’m American and I’m sick with how many of us refuse to think globally.This was very evident in the latest size discussion. >"japanese brands should offer a US size 24, they don't because they're fat phobic" >"are you going to buy it if they do?">cricketsI'm assuming you're not one of these entitled assholes. Please explain why these people think a foreign brand with a foreign target demographic should cater to them as americans.
>>10940603nayrt but the shoes, bag and tie obviously don't go with the blouse and dress. I understand wanting to experiment and try out different things, but then also accept it's not always going to a be a success.
>>10940615lol. that's too accurate
>>10940631Ayrt about Americans and genuinely it’s the same sense of entitlement I see coming from FA spaces about size. They just don’t understand that businesses produce for their core demographics and for even normie clothing manufacturers anything above a US size 16-18 is extremely shaky territory unless you’re specifically a plus size clothing retailer. At least where I live (a large metropolitan area) US size 16-18 is still considered quite large. I think general consensus is probably that lettered sizes are the most “normal” to be (XS-XL) and anything above that you can’t necessarily expect to find everywhere you go to shop. There are a lot of really loud people though that think just because people outside of normal ranges exist that every single person should be able to find any clothes they want in any style at any pricepoint and apparently even across global borders from nations where the average size is a US S/M. Pure delusion. For the ones who actually put their money where their mouth is and buy Meta’s plus-plus sizes and Atepie’s size 3/4 I gotta respect that they’re willing to pay for brand like the rest of us to show they’re a demographic that will shell out when catered to.
>>10940632>>10940632Ayrt but this is how a lot of old school/proto styling was. They’re what we’d consider “tacky” or “ita” today but it’s really not if you know what old school coords actually looked like. I’d suggest checking out some street snaps from old glbs or fruits. It makes me sad to see that so many newer lolitas don’t know what old coords looked like.
>>10940634there is almost no overlap between the entitled asshole group and the group willing to buy directly from japanese brands>>10940635I've seen the same stuff other oldschoolers who have been around for a long time have seen, including late 90s~early 2000s street snaps. "This is how a lot of old school/proto styling was" does not automatically make it good. I have nothing against experimenting, just in case that wasn't clear, I just think that this particular combination looks bad and I can see why it was posted.A similar concept with a black tie, black bag and black shoes that I think would work better, whilst still not being a polished/formulaic lolita coord; a shorter neck tie with lace worn under a peter pan collar blouse. Most large solid color black meta bags earlier than 2005 would work better than the one she's carrying. I understand wanting to wear big ugly stompers but I would pick different ones https://lolibrary.org/items/meta-boots If you want something more edgy than that then consider looking at items from more edgy/tacky lolita brands or lolita adjacent brands but you have to be more discerning.I can't guarantee this would be a roaring success, but it would certainly be less of an eyesore than this coord is.
zip your dress
>>10940668How embarrassing
>>10940668What is she wearing, An Elizabeth replica? Why is it so short.
>>10940616I mean, they've basically always been here. You can see lolita in the audiences of old vkei lives if you pay attention. I've seen them in early gackt lives and buck-tick ones. I feel like people tend to forget that connection.
>>10940634>>10940634it pisses me off that people refuse to learn how businesses work, like they expect everything to cater to every size but don’t understand how much money it costs and how much money will probably be lost with it, and even if you try to explain they’ll just call you fatphobic because they don’t know how else to channel their anger. it reminds me about arguing with this person who said every city should be walkable and i tried to explain how that wasn’t realistic, but they don’t want to hear it, and they never try to come up with any solutions, all they do is complain and blame capitalism
Can vkei fans pls stay away from this fashion
>>10940936vkei fans pioneered the fashion, retard. can newfags stay out?
>>10940386i can only assume this was meant to be uncle-fester core in which case, uh....good job? definitely communicates the character.>>10940388this doesn't bother me terribly much as 'casual lolita' or roomwear until i reach the boots.>>10940438this feels like someone who doesn't know what lolita fashion is irl but has seen BJDs wearing it.>>10940482surely this is a confused cosplayer>>10940514all three of these seemed 'fine' at first until i scrolled down. how is it somehow impossible to find nice legwear/shoes for all three of them?real talk how have the ita threads somehow gotten WORSE as the west has gotten more exposure to jfashionsurely you think it would have course-corrected by now
>>10940430she isn't ana-tier but she looks to be a natural healthy kind of thin already
>>10940948>real talk how have the ita threads somehow gotten WORSE as the west has gotten more exposure to jfashionChinese brands. (Not all of them of course). Quality; The lowest quality items are either mass produced (and sold on aliexpress) or sold by lower budget chinese brands. Design; if you see a design that is excessively costumey it's most likely from a chinese brand. Accessibility; they offer items (typically) at lower prices than japanese brands and some of them also offer different sizes and custom sizing options.Itas have bad taste, they are nearly always unwilling to spend money for decent quality and they are also often fat. So of course they're going to be drawn to chinese brands and mass production aliexpress stuff.Before chinese brands really got going the worst quality there was was bodyline, which is really not that bad in hindsight. The community was also self policing to a greater degree, if you did something wrong they were more likely to just tell you compared to now.>>10940970I wouldn't call it thin or skinny, this just looks normal to me. Maybe a tiny bit chubby (which is fine). Fitting into brand doesn't automatically equal skinny/thin.
>>10940441Yeah you kill a hobby when you scare off anyone new>>10940438>>10940439>>10940440>>10940441>>10940520>>10940612All of these are fine
>>10941005>>10940438 its the new rocks, leg warmers, and the accessories not really matching the dress>>10940439 has no petticoat, dress is poorly fitting, the accessories dont match, cringe makeup>>10940440 aliexpress duplicate dress thats cheap shit, adding misplaced chains that dont match the dress colours >>10940441 not even lolita. its short, no blouse, aliexpress crap that isn't even accessorised correctly. its too bloated in the bottom as well>>10940520 everything is misplaced, accessories and new rocks dont match the dress, a fucking tie is there for no reason, blouse is cheap shit>>10940612 poorly fits, no petticoat, accessories dont fityou sound like a butthurt ita yourself, especially if you cant even tell whats wrong with these. is one of these you?
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>>10940516Let's bring back nitpick threads; this would be fine with proper shoes.
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>>10941040>bolero under jskwhy
>>10940945One vkei guy made it somewhat more popular. That doesn't mean you look good in it, retard.If you're not Mana-sama, just fuck off.
>>10941055You are over 20 years too late to be making this complaint. Go back in time and bitch at the bangya lolita hanging out on harajuku bridge
"Y’all I bought my first Lolita dress and blouse! It’s not baby the stars shine bright or angelic pretty quality but it’s really good quality and I think it’s pretty!"MeanwhileSo wrinkled it looks like used tissue paperSo much static you can see the cheap ribbons sticking to the dress and the sleeve sticking to the bodiceI'm 1000000% certain this person has never actually touched btssb or they'd be way too embarrassed to say its "really good quality" BAKA
>>10941034She always looks ita
>>10941055>oneYou can't be serious
>>10941055>>10941056>>10941064Nayrt but I'm jumping in because I think there needs to be a distinction made between lolitas attending concerts/live shows and wearing lolita without being itas and vkei fans who wear vkei fashion (one or more of the styles under that umbrella) who then try to incorporate lolita pieces in their outfits or try to wear lolita whilst incorporating vkei aesthetics and the resulting outfit looks terrible because they don't really understand how to combine the two.If we can just all agree that the former group is fine and the latter group is doing a bad job (and therefore deserving to be in the ita thread if they call their outfit lolita) then we can move on from this back and forth about who understands what before it really starts to shit up the thread.
>>10941055You're a poser for thinking this way. Why join a music oriented scene if you hate the music and the fans?
>>10941059I feel like the issue with these babylitas is that a lot of them don't bother with researching anything before buying, it's not even that hard to get a cheap taobao JSK/OP that doesn't look like absolute horseshit. Pretty sure most of their lolita knowledge comes from the scraps you get from tiktok.
>>10941008Oh I don’t dress in Lolita. I’m a cosplayer but, your hobby seems completely anal and devoid of fun.
>>10941045That dress will never look good
>>10941080Nayrt(Insert negative stereotypes about cosplay, the cosplay community and cosplayers themselves).Right back at ya.
>>10940613Same, for me its the sissy looking outfits that are from amazon / aliexpress and his god awful attitude. Hes so rude and condecending and you can tell he thinks of himself as an amazing top tier lolita lmao. Checked his tiktok and saw no indication of him being trans, so to me he seems like yet another creepy pretentious man who thinks that just because hes a man in a predominantly womans space he deserves praise and ass pats for doing a sub par job. if men want to be in this fashion they should have to put in the same level of effort at women and ffs shave the beard.
>>10941059I felt so much second hand embarrassment when I saw "but it's really good quality", referring to THAT dress. Everything's good quality for itas as long as it doesn't fall apart in their hands apparently.
Wearing a black dress doesn't make it lolita
Apologize for being fat
>>10941080oh ok faggot kys your cosplay is dogshit
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>>10941082Is it a sin to iron your clothes? I'll never understand how people who wear Lolita, a fashion which is all about looking good, are able to simply ignore how unkept their own clothes are. Ffs get an iron
>>10941328These are people who have never cared about looking good and they have never had any interest in fashion either, they treat lolita like a "nerd costume", they don't care. They're also never interested in lolita history, new releases, personal hygiene or doing hair and make-up well. They don't care about the brands that made lolita, they don't mind buying replicas either.
>>10941328Your first mistake was expecting a morbidly obese person to have any semblance of self awareness when it comes to the way they look.
>>10941334The body shape is not the problem here, the wrinkled pieces are. She coulda've looked much better with proper ironed clothes and better accessories. I'm guessing it was a personal kind of post however as I can't seem to find the one in that photo>>10941226Sheesh
>>10941347>pink dollettenot even real>shoujijapanese door style?>himekaji and lolitanot even closewhat a clusterfuck
>>10941371This is accurate for what 95% of people in the lolita sewing groups on fb are like.Ugly (and/or male), obese, no sense of style or what lolita is, tacky Joann's fabric that shouldn't be used for clothes delusional about what they look like.I was going to say something about the interior decor, but have to admit that at least this one doesn't have mystery stains on wall to wall carpeting and you can still see the floor. If there is something you can do with 70s style brown tile floor and wood veneer walls, it's not whatever he is doing with it.
>>10941388sheeeeeeiiit, I'm thankful that I had the chance to save this one, dude literally living my dream
>>10941392You're disgusting, go kys retard
>>10941388wtf am i looking at
>>10941399this would look better on someone skinny but I don’t hate it completely
Imagine seeing your dream dress coorded like this
>>10941405It might be a replica>>10941403Nayrt, I don't think this is ita level bad but it's below decent. Overstuffed skirt, blouse made out of really low quality fabric, blouse doesn't fit properly, I can't say much about the skirt material and the shoes since they're not that clearly visible in the photo but I suspect they aren't good quality either. Those bangs don't suit her, there are other styles of bangs that would look better on her. It's not ita level but it's very "this is my first outfit and I got it from amazon". It's just awkward looking.
>>10941080Good
>>10940507Ignore Internet words
>>10940522her ankles are buckling>>10940613men who dress in womens' clothes tend to do that for normal people.>>10941371Rocco?
I wonder how many selfpost here just to play the victim card and later persecute those they don't like.
>>10941458It’s not a replica, >>10941405 commonly forces herself into too-small AP. She’s incredibly ita yet she thinks she’s an authority on the fashion because she has some shitty podcast.
>>10941558How pitiful
>>10941558>She’s incredibly ita yet she thinks she’s an authority on the fashionThat sounds like the norm in this thread
>>10941567For the community as a whole more like. The more authoritative someone is about the fashion, the worse their coords actually are. Every time.
>>10941571I might even say that the bigger a channel is, the more likely it is that it's an ita. I was genuinely surprised one (not the community clown) got a 42lolita sponsorship. Sure resellers often suck and a lot of people dislike chinese brands, but I'm surprised the people from 42lolita could not tell that this youtuber has terrible dress sense.
>>10941578I'd wager that it was the sponsored ita that went after them. They're often the ones begging brands to give them things for free. I'm on a national group for Lolitas from all around the country and it's a shitshow.
>>10941590That makes a lot of sense because they always say "I can't afford brand, not everyone has 500$ to spend on a dress you know". But then they also don't take much of an interest in the second hand brand market. They want it new and they want it cheap.
>>10941600It's honestly really weird how many western lolitas just straight up hate Japanese brands, they will not even consider them and don't want anything to do with them, and don't like people that like them. It's honestly kind of fucked up.
>>10941634It's the inferiority complex. They can't fit into Japanese brand or afford it, and they resent people who can. Some even make up woke reasons why Japanese brand is actually bad/classist/fatphobic/racist in order to feel superior for buying cheap plastic.
>>10941634>>10941641They're just greedy. They want everything available in their size even if they're not going to buy it, they don't want second hand, and they want it cheap. Chinese brands are the only brands that check all of those boxes. The -ism accusations are just a cover up. Like you said they have an inferiority complex and are resentful of people who can buy and fit into Japanese brand. The bitterness just seeps out and then they say things like "I like chinese brands better anyway, they are much more creative than japanese brands who are just making the same stuff over and over and copying each other. (insert japanese brand here) is racist, ableist and fatphobic because I signed up to walk in the fashion show but they didn't pick me because I'm plus sized, black and have to use a cane".Lolitas who wear japanese brand can get pretty enthusiastic when they talk to each other about the things they love about their favorite brand(s). For example new designs, new prints, re-releases of iconic prints/dresses/bags/blouses, how beautiful the torchon lace on their dress is, how comfortable their clothes are, a new interview with their favorite designer, etc.I rarely see lolitas who mainly/only wear chinese brands do the same, and when they do it's not to the same extent. They might say something nice about the cute bunny print, the embroidery on an apron or that the lace on the galaxy themed dress has stars and moons in it. But that's pretty much the most I've ever noticed. They're usually kind of lukewarm about stuff. Perhaps pining for brands they can't fit into and/or they think is too expensive, or they are just the type that likes lolita fashion but doesn't love it and doesn't want to spend money on it.
>>10941642nayrt but I also have encountered more than enough ex-lolitas who used to wear brand and then adopted shit lifestyle habits that made them not fit into brand anymore and instead of deciding to lose weight they quit wearing nice clothes and sold everything. I don't get it. People can change size over time but it's not permanent. Imagine searching the secondhand market for ten years for your dream wardrobe and then throwing a fit and selling it all because you gained weight and then decided that a massive excess of ultra-processed junk food was a better use of your money and health. I personally cannot fathom that choice.
