Some Italian Americans insist mayo has no place on an Italian sub. I do disagree.
>>20936784italian americans are the quebecois french of the food worldthey split off from the main branch over a century ago but still insist they're the only legitimate representative of the whole treewhich isn't to say they're always bad. some of their culinary innovations far surpass the mother country (or have been backported there)
To me, mayo is a key ingredient in an Italian-American sub
>>20936784agree, may is good
>>20936803French cuisine was popularized by Haute cuisine, which originated when professional cooks made luxury dishes for royal courts and aristocrats. This cuisine is obsessed with rules and etiquette because it is inherently elitist. This cuisine defined professional cooking. The concept of a chef, chef whites, all the names for the different techniques (etc) comes from French Haute. Meanwhile, Italian cuisine was popularized by poor Sicilian/Calabrese migrants to America. They brought a very basic and accessible cuisine from a country where every nana's recipe of the same dish was different. It uses simple ingredients and is every day people food. Its very similar to Mexican cuisine in that it's the same ingredients being used differently to make lots of different and delicious dishes. There is no reason for Italian cuisine to be elitist like the French.However, Italians recently decided to LARP as French chefs. They adopted the elitism and started pretending like there are hard rules. Like breaking spaghetti, arbitrary restrictions on specific ingredients in dishes, and other weird rules. It's weird because it's fake. French rules and etiquette come from its elitist history and at least somewhat make sense. Shitalians say "DON'T BREAK THE SPAGHETTI" simply because they decided it should be a rule.
>>20936852good breakdown. italian cuisine elitists are so fucking insufferable.
>>20936784mayo doesn't have a place in edibles, period.stop. being. fat.
>>20936803>>20936837>>20936860Rent free, fagottis
>>20936784I like it with mayo, but I can see disliking it since mayo is usually made with cheap oil and won't have as much flavor as a good olive oil.
>>20936852it's actually exactly the same thing, applied by people of a particular region and culture on a national level, and the reason why they're so vocal about it now is probably because due to globalization and being able to see and perceive the world without physically being in a location to do so means that the italians have become aware of faggot ass retard americans and other non italians taking their delicious and autistically gatekept recipes and turning them into slop like that fuckin awful american "spaghetti sauce" you people eatyou're also wrong, italian recipes may vary by region but generally speaking are very well preserved and everyone understands the acceptable upper limit of what can change before it constitutes another dish entirely, this folksy poor person anything goes scenario you're trying to depict is not only factually, historically and culturally wrong but it's fucking stupid, no one needs your permission to be proud of their food culture or to step in when you're ruining it>>20936860learn to cook and maybe they won't have to be
We need to normalize buttered bread for sandwiches.
>>20936902>this folksy poor person anything goes scenario you're trying to depict is not only factually, historically and culturally wrongIf you say so Mario.
>>20936902Sure thing buddy.https://www.tasteatlas.com/italian-academic-everything-you-know-about-italian-food-is-a-lie>captcha: ASS 4D
>>20936873If you're eating a whole loaf of bread for a single sandwich with greasy cured meats that have about 200 grams of sodium per bite, I don't think mayo is a big concern.Maybe you should stop being fat, then you could eat like shit a couple times a week and not worry. Us attractive people live like this.
Only blacks and flyovers put mayo on their Italians. East coast chads know its oil and vinegar or death.
>>20937057I dont know why health nuts come here, you've never met a chef worth anything who was one. >i avoid fats and salts and grease!Then you can't cook
>>20936784A bit like Americans and burgers
>>20936852I am convinced that they are eternally butthurt that their greatest cultural export was a reimport from the US. not that it's inherently any better or worse than the original, but the category of pizza is so large with different types of pizza overlapping significantly on the details that they HAVE to define their cuisine rigidly lest it be contaminated by cultural diffusion.I am half japanese and I never see these conversations about japanese food unless it's non-japanese foodies or hapa women. it comes from insecurity and it's more about gatekeeping than any actual conversation about cuisine, it's variations, how it's evolved, or most importantly how enjoyable it is.
>>20937074they got bullied off of /v/
>>20936902> Very well preservedYes, from the 50s and 60s, where most "traditional" Italian dishes originate. Carbonara, Tiramisu and Espresso with crema all originate from after WW2. There's no need to be this autistic about post war recipes.
mayo is far too heavy by itself if you already have salamichipotle mayo sure but straight mayobadabing bada noyou can only stack fats so far before it becomes unappetizingya gabagoolget outta ere'
>>20936803Wait till you find out about the Saint Boniface Italians, they speak French with an Italian accent
>>20936784as long as its kewpie
>>20937057>If you're eating a whole loaf of bread for a single sandwich with greasy cured meats that have about 200 grams of sodium per bite, I don't think mayo is a big concern.that's because you've gone retarded from eating mayo.stop. being. fat.
>>20936784>Italian Americansyou mean americansjust cuz your grandpappy went to italy one time doesnt make you fucking italian
>>20939323Fuhgeddaboutit
>>20936784>Italian AmericansWe’re all Americans. The worlds most successful immigrant nation.
>>20936784For me it’s Pastrami on Rye with Mayo instead of mustard
>>20937095Japanbro, what do you think of this scene? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF46Cel3EUo
Mayo has no place on this Earth
>>20936784Mayonnaise isn't too bad if it's the correct kind and you don't go overboard with itI can see why some don't want it though and prefer red wine vinegar instead
>>20937138saint bonerface LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>20936902>this big gay wall of seethe
I'm an Italian living in America and I put mayonnaise on "Italian" subs. It's good. >>20936812Same.>>20936852>italians say "DON'T BREAK THE SPAGHETTI"No we don't. "Italian" Americans do that. We break spaghetti and other pasta all the time. There are shapes specifically made to be broken by hand.>>20936905Move to France. When I worked in a bakery-cafe in college in the US, I made a sandwich for a customer and, as i buttered the bread, they started Frenching at me. I speak French so I replied back but they noticed immediately from my accent that I'm from Italy and remarked they thought this was a French bakery.>it is, sort of, but I'm from Italy, the owner is Belgian.>>20937050>a sample of oneLMAO>>20937073American bread is too weak to hold oil without falling apart. And I live on the East Coast.
>>20937095>reimportlol>half japaneseHow fun. My cousins are half Japanese and the oldest one actually moved to Japan and became some celebrity chef there. My aunt minded me when my parents were busy with other things so I grew up with some Japanese food and it's all generally pretty bland. At first, I thought it was just her cooking but when I went to a Japanese restaurant for the first, second and third times, I realised that no: that's just how Japanese food is. Pretty and pretty bland.>>20937135And those are literally the only dishes of ours you know, kiddo. : )>>20937138 I visited Argentina and everyone speaks Spanish with an Italian accent. I sounded like (and was often mistaken for) a local.>>20939323lolThe only people to seethe at their American cousins more than we do are the Irish, likely because there isn't a language barrier there>>20936902>autistically gatekept recipeslmao We don't do that at all. My area makes pizzaiola with garlic, oregano, tomato and beef. The next region over, they use sweet onion instead of garlic. To me, it's disgusting but it's no less authentic than ours (even if we literally originated the simple-ass sauce).
>>20936784I put mayo on philly cheesesteaks.
peppers and eggs thats what I get
>>20941370#MeToo
>>20941370most non-heteros do
>>20937073> Only blacks and flyovers put mayo on their ItaliansWrong. Black people are notorious for their dislike of mayonnaise
>>20941387It's such a weird fucking stereotype that has absolutely zero basis in reality. Other stereotypes, like Americans being fat, southerners being dumb and Irish being drunken and quick to anger, are largely true but this one is just wrong. Have you never been to a Blackmerican cookout? If there aren't at least three bowls of "solid" (how they tend to pronounce "salad"), which are just something swimming in a jar's worth of Duke's or Hellman's, then it's not an actual cookout. Black Americans love the FUCK out of mayonnaise.
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>>20937352>muh seed oilsAs with literally anything we ingest, the key is moderation. Mayo in and of itself is fine. The issue is when mentally ill manchildren who lack impulse control (ie. you) consume two cups of it in a single meal and then project their mental illness upon everyone else. >If I can't trust myself not to eat a jar a mayo a week, then no one can be trusted!
>>20941427>all these wypipo stereotypes are true, but us kangz and qweens are just misunderstoodCope, Jamal. Go drench another drumstick in Frank's Red Hot.
>>20943400You're very, very dumb. You must be a southerner.
>>20943407Born and raised in Sydney. Stop using your mutt hovel as the focal point of the universe. American blacks are sometimes stupider than our abos.
>>20941387>>20941427Black people not liking mayo all comes from a joke from the movie Undercover Brother, where mayo is treated like black people's kryptonite while hot sauce is their power up. But honestly, its a stupid movie and they made that up just for the jokeI've worked in different eating establishments over the years, black people don't seem to have any particular preference for or against mayo as anyone else in America.Mayo is one of those things picky eaters just don't like, like ranch dressing, eggs, avocado, mushrooms, fish
>>20943429>Southern hemisphere isn't SouthernAussie education, everyone.
>>20941387Nah bullshit, I was at this Chinese place and this black dude ordered a fried fish sub with tartar sauce AND mayo. The stereotype they don't like it is not true. >>20937073I don't put shitty fucking balsamic trash on my Italian sub. Olive oil and black pepper only. Maybe some of the juice from the pepperonici peppers too.
>>20943772>moving goalposts The "dindu nuffin, it's okay when *we* do it" non-white.
>>20943924>t. dumb southerner
>>20936784Nah. Mayo (the right mayo) is fine - I'll just leave the olive oil, off. Balsamic vinegar is mandatory.
>>20939365based. i like making 'em on jewish rye to go full shlomode, although i usually opt for spicy brown mustard
