>>20959878
Vegetarian yes. Vegan, no.

>>20959878
>Is it possible to be vegetarian/vegan without being a douchebag about it?
There's a little bit of obsession and mental illness no matter what you identify as being, because you have to keep meal planning foremost on your mind to make sure you get the nutrition you need, track your deficiencies, and supplement. I

You can
I'm mostly vegan, not ethically but for health-reason
Only eating meat dishes on special occasion

>>20959878
Yes. My wife is vegetarian. She doesn't give a shit that I'm not.

Vegan? No.

My neighbour is vegan. Her husband is not. She seldom to never brings it up. He was the one that told us because I offered him some homemade ice cream when they first moved in, before we even met her.
My brother and his wife aren't douchey about their veganism, either. They didn't raise my niece vegan and actually do cook meat, eggs and dairy for holidays and other family gatherings and cooked meat etc for their daughter when she was growing up, they just won't eat the stuff themselves.

>>20959878
Vegetarian is on the far side of the vegan sphere. Vegans are the food talibans on a twisted jihad based on pseudo science and feelings. Don't wanna eat meat or fish, be my guest, don't wanna eat honey and dairy, fair enough, just don't bust my balls when I'm having my steak or chicken.

>>20959938
...Anon?
>And at that point his strength failed

>>20959983

Lucky. Extreme vegans even treat cooking tools as "tainted" when they got used to prepare animal products, no matter how well cleaed they are.
It's a permanent "spiritual" mark.

>>20960002
>Lucky. Extreme vegans
so is he lucky or are they extreme?

Yes, just don't talk about it and keep it private.

all vegans are hangry.

just don't talk about it. I talk about my diet but never say the words vegan or vegetarian. it just makes people angry. kind of like telling people you don't drink.

>>20960002
I guess I am lucky, yes.
I've met some awful vegans, sure, but I just don't associate with awful people altogether so it's not like I can tell you any anecdotes about them. Just they sucked and they were vegan. OOOOoooh! I used to date a vegan in college who lived sucking dick and swallowing and I mentioned, post-O, that is kinda weird a vegan would eat this animal product but she said that it's fine because veganism is about consent and animals can't consent to being milked, killed or have their eggs taken but I can consent to getting my load swallowed.
But I never did. I never gave consent for my sperm to be consumed. I felt so violated. : (
Of course, she caught on quick that I was joking. Good head, tho.

why do all vegans stink of farts?

>>20960115
Because the fart nonstop due to all the vegetable fiber fermenting in their intestines.

>>20959878
Gen Z is cooked, they will die in the first war

>>20960317
I'm not even vegan and I eat so many vegetables (about a kilo daily) that I've achieved perpetual lift with my butt-trumpets. I'm hovering above my chair right now after a dinner of curried fishballs with radish and their greens (also mustard greens).

I'm not vegan but I know a local dude in a band who is and is very chill about it. One day I was talking about eating peanuts as a cheap snack/protein boost. He asked if I was vegan, I said I wasn't and he didn't make a big deal about it. Just gave me tips on how to combine foods to get the best results. He's actually a weightlifter/physical trainer.

>>20960033
Right, I still technically party a bit but I don't even bother telling people I don't drink any more unless they push it. Just tell them I'm good but thanks for offering, never kills the vibe. If I do say I don't drink, they usually act weird like I'm gonna be rapey or something, it's really annoying.

ITT ketolards and normies get offended that veganism is healthier and gives you bigger boners

>>20959878
No vegan is a type of mental illness. They need supplements and they MUST act like a cunt

>>20959878
I spent about 5 years without animal products. I was slim, healthy, looked good, and never talked about it. Saved a lot of money, too. Now I've gotten more into cooking, I eat dairy and seafood. If I'm offered chicken, beef, or pork, I'll eat it, but I don't buy it.

It's a good way to live, but you have to go monk-mode with it. A vegan diet made up of artificial foods is not fulfilling in any sense.

>>20960600
No, no. Nice try.

>>20959878
Tell people that you do it because you're trying to keep your calories low or that your doctor recommends you lower your cholesterol intake or something, and bring your own food to events.
It is very, very difficult to get everything you need in adequate amounts. Most vegans that don't look like the have aids will confess they take a cheat day during the week.
Just go vegetarian and source your animal products from local places were you trust in the animals' care. Eggs and milk are tastier that way.

>>20959878
Veganism in women is a camouflage for eating disorders. In men it's a sign of single mother raised boys or effeminate men submitting to a girlfriend's request.

>>20959983
I guess this is an obvious comment, but if you are cooking meat, eggs, dairy for holidays or for your kids or whatever, you aren't vegan. You are plantbased. Veganism is a full ethical framework, it's not just a diet.

I don't understand why omnis insist we participate in the aspects of their lives that go against our own morals.

>>20960002
this is retarded, cooking tools that previously touched meat haven't somehow created more demand for more meat or contributed to the death of previous farmed animals

>>20960889
Nobody cares, dickhead

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>>20960843
>It is very, very difficult
I literally ate oatmeal, lentil stew, rice with steamed vegetables and a few pieces of fruit to get picrel. I was neither fatigued nor felt difficulty in spending a total of 15 minutes cooking yesterday.

>>20960895
>oatmeal, lentil stew, rice with steamed vegetables and a few pieces of fruit
i don't think any of that will give the amount of B12, iron, and D it says you got

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>>20960904
Oh god this again. 1000 IU of vitamin D is taken because I live at sixty degrees of latitude North and have been blessed with white skin.
Iron comes from potatoes and lentils.
B12 comes from the soy milk I cook my oatmeal in.
>But you don't meet my standard of expected purity
Sick dude, I'm a vegan athlete with an HDL:Total ratio of 2.2.

>>20960889
So vegans can't have cats, right?

>>20960889
The way my brother and his wife see it, veganism is about getting as close to zero animal products as possible. Since they have and love their extended families, like me, our parents, his wife's family etc and none of us are vegan (my brother and I grew up flexitarian, so we already ate very little meat to begin with) and they want to spend holidays with us, that means that if they cook, they need to cook with animal product or two.
We do the same, offering them vegan options when it's our turn to host a family get-together.
They have their daughter meat, the and dairy when she was growing up but she made the choice to go vegan on her own. I should have mentioned that. She's now an adult (he's 11 years older than me) and still vegan.
And like >>20960935 implied, by your definition, a vegan can't have a cat as an "animal companion" (I know some of you people detest the word "pet") since cats are obligate carnivores and a vegan wouldn't be able to buy them the proper food.

>>20960935
I don't see having a pet in general being compatible with veganism

>>20960947
what about rescuing an animal that was likely to die otherwise? if the goal is to reduce suffering then not doing that would increase suffering probably.

never really been a fan of people breeding animals just to sell though. that mostly seems to increase suffering either with poor breeders neglecting animals or it taking attention away from animals that do need help.

>>20960895
>100g fiber
i'd bet my left bollock you smell like farts all the time

>>20961049
legend has it that if you fibermaxxx you have perfect wipeless shits every time
i've been unable to get past the bloated farty stage of fiber bulking so i have failed to reach fiber nirvana

>>20959878
>>20959878
I'm vegetarian for ethical reasons and most people still like me.
It's not really something I think about anymore so it's not like I declare it to everyone I meet.

>>20960895
Whats your lentil stew recipe veganbro

>>20959878
I completely agree with you. I hate vegans myself. As for me, these are stupid people

>>20959931
Fpbp
>>20959878
>can you actually get everything you need from plant -based products?
No, at least not without artificial supplements.

You can live a healthy, well balanced diet with minimum animal suffering by being a pescatarian, which I believe is the best possible balance between health and ethics one could reach.

If not, then a vegetarian diet that includes eggs, dairy and honey would be the second best choice, as long as you gocus on using fungi such as mushrooms, tempeh and tofu as replacement protein sources.

Vegetable proteins have lower metabolic value, meaning they are not nearly as good or important to your diet as animal proteins, but fungi proteins are much closer in biological value to animal proteins than to vegetable proteins, so you will be better off relying heavily on mushrooms than on soy, chickpeas, peas, beans, quinoa, peanuts, amaranth or other similar vegetable protein rich grains and legumes.

>>20959878
I hate chemistry but from all ive heard plant "protein" is simply a convenience of terminology, over millions of years of evolution there is no way that the molecular composition of a plant is anywhere close to that of a versatile organism like vertebrates, bugs and molluscs. Eating plants is basically flipping the bird to your blood cells and developing a stockholm syndrome for your gut microbiome.

>>20961150
Mushrooms are too expensive

>>20961179
>Mushrooms are too expensive
Grow your own, you just need grains, straw/sawdust (depends on the species), a pressure cooker, a syringe and the spore print of your chosen mushroom.

You will be surprised how many you can grow inside a small apartment using buckets and plastic bags!

>>20961150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESxG-AjC24w&t=2s
TLDR You're wrong and sound dumb

>>20959931
This. Veganism is tied to a political movement. Vegetarianism is not.

>>20959878
>Is it possible to be vegetarian/vegan without being a douchebag about it?
no, just like being mormon, catholic, or muslim it's required that you be and asshole and get in other people shit.

>>20961292

>hurrdindurdfuhtuo
Tiyeng
Tdsr2

>>20961292
>You're wrong and sound dumb
Your education comes from youtube, mine comes from college, want to take a wild guess which one is more reliable?

If you do not understand the concept of biological valor just say so, no need to pretend to know what you are talking about just to defend your diet.

>>20959878
>Is it possible to be vegetarian/vegan without being a douchebag about it?
No.

>And can you actually get everything you need from plant -based products?
No.

>>20959878
vegetarian is possible; eat lots of eggs and dairy.
pescatarian (fish eating vegetarian) is better obviously
vegan isn't viable without supplements

>>20962485
Reddit spacing + ESL + typos + you spent $60,000 on a piece of asswipe and you're trying to flex it on anons.
You're wrong, dumb, and a buffoon now.

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>>20959878
>Is it possible to be vegetarian/vegan without being a douchebag about it?
>OP's own post being a typical example of vegan-hate threads aiming to start a flame war

>And can you actually get everything you need from plant -based products?
Picrel. And yes, if you think that's wrong, you're going against nutritional scientific consensus.

>>20962623
>Anime poster
>Complain about "degeneracy"

>>20962688
that poster is a federal agent

>>20962740
you work at ram ranch

>>20959878
>vegetarian/vegan
big difference between the two.
being a vegetarian is a lot easier and cheaper.
I mostly eat vegetarian because meat is annoying and stinky. I get protein from whey and non fat dairy and I take a daily vitamin (The daily vitamin is required)

Bean tomato stew and home made bread is a staple for me. I sweeten both with aspartame.

I also will eat large bowls of air popped popcorn with seasoning and aspartame and I use cooking spray to make the seasoning stick.

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>>20962748
>Oh you kids...

>>20962748
>I am against homosexual degeneracy.
>anime poster
choose one

I've noticed that a good amount of vegans are also chuds.

>>20962586
He destroyed you, kiddo. Fucked you right in the shitbox and you can't handle it

as others have already said, yes, just don't talk about it
sticking to my morals does not necessarily mean proselytizing or throwing fits when my order accidentally has non-vegan stuff in it
no one likes being preached to, and they won't put the cheese back in the bin if i send the food back, i may as well eat it

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>>20959942
>for health-reason
>starves and poisons himself with unnatural diet

>>20959878
Just look at the indians. They have the biggest vegetarian population in the world.

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>>20964219
>natural = good

>>20959878
I'm having a vegan thanksgiving. No tofurkey tho, that shits gross.
>Rolls
>Cranberry sauce
>"Buttered" corn
>Stuffing
>Sweet potato casserole
>Pumpkin pie
>Green bean casserole
>Shepherd's pie

>>20964359
Sounds awful, I'm so sorry

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>>20964369

>>20964224
and they're all douchebags

>>20959878
I was vegan for three years for health reasons. No oil, salt, soy, or gluten either. It sucked. I was miserable but I thought I was improving my health. I never called myself vegan, tried to never call attention to what I ate. I brought my lunches to work and got salads when dragged out to eat at work. If anyone asked, I'd just say I had weird allergies and it was easier to eat simply.

After the two years and my health didn't improve, I went the opposite way to keto and holy crap. With a few days I was feeling better and within a few weeks I was perkier than I'd been since I was a teen. I didn't know it at the time but I had/have autoimmune crap. Keto helped a lot and then getting on thyroid meds when I finally found a doc willing to test (TSH 14 when I feel best between 1.5 and 2.0, just for reference) made me a lot better. I've been keto or 'lazy' keto for over a decade so low carb works for me, even though I know it wouldn't for others. I still don't mention my diet to people. I just order carefully when forced into work social situations and bring food other times.

Vegan isn't for everyone and you don't have to be a douche. I would never encourage anyone to do it. I don't think we are meant to live like that, but I'm sure there are exceptions.

>>20964386
your diet sucked ass because of no oil or salt
i'm sure vegan and no soy or gluten didn't help either, but don't pretend no oil or salt wasn't 90% of the reason you were miserable

>>20964399
It was based on some book my mom sent me. It was called something like the China study. Or China diet? Something like that. I have avoided soy, other than soy sauce my whole life, so that was the one thing I did differently from the book.

I'm just glad I found something that works for me. My mom was vegan for decades and it worked for her. I think as she's gotten older she is a lot less strict with it and she never did it for ethical reasons but for health. But I do know that every once in a while she will get a meat craving and will eat it. I just think humans are omnivores.

>>20964359
>Shepherd's pie
Is that for all the regular people?

>>20964533
No, it's made with lentils

>>20964534
Sounds awful, I'm so sorry

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>>20964534
Why even bother.

>>20964359
sounds awful

>>20964219
Maybe he's got a stomach problem, don't be a faggot.

>>20959878
How flexible is your meaning of douchebag?

As a woman ...almost. You just look, feel, and are physically sick the entire time with life changing consequences, but it's not your fault. Just tear up and cry.
It's an unforeseeable accident of belief. Basic nutrition is an undiscovered country. No, I won't take an iron supplement. I refuse to be a gear in your machine. Why am I so tired?

As a man, no. Turbo douchebag.

Can you get everything? Easy. So fucking easy.
Don't read the label on your supplements.

>>20960421
>If I do say I don't drink, they usually act weird like I'm gonna be rapey or something, it's really annoying.
It's not so much that, it's more that they know alcohol is bad for them and they get pissed when they see someone unaffected by it because it reminds them of their bad choices.
I'm not teetotal, but I do drink quite rarely and limit myself to max 2.
The amount of people I've gotten pissed off cause I would just get a coffee/tea etc when going out is unreal. Then again, I live in Eastern Europe where pretty much everyone is a closet alcoholic, so that doesn't help

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>>20960847
this

>>20962746
>adding aspartame of your own volition
enjoy going blind lmao

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>>20964541
>>20964558
Why? Those are normal dishes non-vegans like. Not enough fisted dead bird for your liking?

>>20964727
A little too much smugness and smarminess, it becomes acrid on the palate. Are your guests also vegan, or are they sensitive to your mental illness?

>>20964727
kek
carnies won't ever recover

>>20964727
I like tofu. I make my own. But I'm not vegan or even vegetarian. I don't stuff the Thanksgiving turkey, either.
Today is actually a vegetarian day. Were having kale-and-lentil soup for dinner tonight. : )

>>20964224
>vegetarian
≠ vegan

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>when Brandon claims to be vegan even though he says “cheese” when someone takes a photo

>>20964727
Vegetarian stuff can be really good. Frankly you lost me at "butter" on the corn and the green bean casserole since I'm sure the cream in cream of mushroom gives you nightmares. That's the problem with vegans.

>>20959951
>My wife is vegetarian
Why is this so common with women? All of my girlfriends have been vegetarian except one.

>>20964609
>still consuming caffeine

>>20965341
women don't have to prove how heckin manly they are by consuming red meat

>>20965317
Margarine used to be a normal thing until you guys got brainwashed

>>20959878
No, because they are constantly in a fight against nature itself, a living contradiction.

>>20965619
Everyone is always in a fight against nature

I've been vegetarian for a couple years now. I don't bring it up unless asked and I don't preach about it. I couldn't be a vegan because it would make eating with my family impossible and I value that more than whatever going vegan would accomplish.

>>20959878
Its very difficult.

>>20959878
Just - don't mention it and you already beat out about 99% of the other vegans/retards. Bonus points for not frowning and looking away, when someone else is enjoying a steak.

>>20962586
>Huurrr durrr, my youtube education is more valuable than yours!

>>20959942
>I'm mostly vegan
So not vegan
>yeah dude i'm mostly not a pedo, i just rape kids on special occassions

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>>20959878
Being a Christian requires a belief in God and heaven and that your arbitrary morals are the One True morals. Veganism/vegetarianism is the same. It presupposes the idea in the subject that eating meat is morally evil. As such, the subject believes that she and her ilk are good, and that those who eat meat are evil (or at the least misguided). Being vegan means to believe that the subject is good and the other (the secular meat eating world) is evil.
You think you're better than me. You who idealizes weakness like a slave think I'm evil. In polite conversation, this is understood implicitly. And one gets this impression from speaking with any moralizers. Muslims, Christians, Vegans, and all others. This is tension.
No. One cannot be a vegan without being a douchebag about it. Because to not be a douchebag about would be to not believe in it at all. You may as well ask yourself if you can join ISIS without being a douchebag about it. To admit this at all denotes a weak character. You care more about the opinion of the herd than your own virtue. Why post this otherwise? It's no wonder that such a weak and feckless person would be swindled by a weak and feckless British bourgeois ideology of wannabe Brhamanism of which the history she knows nothing about.

>>20959878
>Is it possible to be vegetarian/vegan without being a douchebag about it?
yes
most vegans are
but it's also a "novel" and non-mainstream ideology
so you'll find extremists, just like with any other

>And can you actually get everything you need from plant -based products?
yes*

*other than the mandatory supplement of B12 you can get all nutrients from plants

vegan / vegetarian diets are pretty well researched by now
and who would have thought, a balanced vegan diet is completely fine and healthy

>>20966813
>I don't bring it up unless asked
Nobody asked yet you brought it up

>>20965348
Caffeine doesn't kill my liver and give me headaches

>>20968564
>It presupposes the idea in the subject that eating meat is morally evil.
Not really, its an awful strawman

>>20959878
Yes I cook vegetarian at home and still eat meat when with family or at a restaurant with bad options.
People have to embrace veganism willingly or they get very fashy very quick.

>>20968655
blow your brains out nigger that's what this thread is about

>>20964219
he might have fucked kidneys and cant handle too much protein you dumbass

>>20968987
Nobody asked and no amount of your impotent seething rage will ever, ever change that.

>>20959878
Yes. Most of them are, actually, you just don't see them because they're normal people, not obnoxious like the loud militant ones.

I think you can get everything you need from plant based products, depending on your constitution and how well you minmax. Plants alone introduce bioavailability concerns that animal products tend to lack, and if you're going to be fully vegan then it requires supplementation, often with expensive ingredients if you want the best nutrient makeup.

I personally think the best bang for your buck diet that doesn't require you to get too crazy into minmaxing is to be lacto-ovo vegetarian and also eat (sessile, depending on your ethics) bivalves. There are enough studies proving that bivalves (at least sessile bivalves, the ones that don't move after youth) are about as sentient as certain plants. They provide bioavailable nutrients that tend to be lacking otherwise, and make it much easier to thrive without the need for supplementation, or extensive supplementation (B12 and D tend to be lacking in whole populations, not only those who don't eat animal).

Keep in mind when I speak of these diets, I advocate more for nutritarianism or being more whole foods focused; goyslop is goyslop regardless of if a cow had to die for it to come into existence, and no one should make that shit a main part of their eating experience.

That all being said, it's not for everyone. If you're not called to it intrinsically or find you lack the constitution for it, then I think the next best thing is to hunt or take from well-vetted sources that provide good quality of life by your standards.

Life is taken in order for us to survive, and that is worth honoring regardless of what the life was before it was killed (plant, animal, whatever). We can best honor what becomes our food with the best life possible for them, which has the add-on effect of producing better and more nutritious food.

I haven't read the thread so forgive any reiteration.

>Nobody asked
>The thread is about how to not be an annoying vegan
>some poster responds with their methodology
>hurr durr no one asked
I shouldn't expect better from retards. KYS.

>>20969050
no one asked

>>20969050
Nobody asked you any of that either but congratulations on your transition. Only a woman could be as lookatme as you're being now.

>>20969050
Excuse me... but could you point out just where, exactly, anyone asked you about your vegetarianism? Thanks. Don't reply unless you can, though, k? ^_^

>No on asked
Yes they did, OOP asked.
>you are a woman
you are a nigger
>who asked but longer
KYS

>>20969069
Must be your monthly.

>>20968564
if you were capable of understanding anything beyond black-and-white thinking, you'd realize that proselytizing and "being a douchebag about it" would be very much counterproductive to the goal of convincing others to go vegan

>>20964562
>>20969037
holy zoomer

>>20970226
>dumb bitch reaction gif
>calls others zoomers
lol
lmao

>>20969069
>OOP asked
Which of the literally two (2) sentences in OP asked for your life story and for you to homosexually announce your diet to people?
Where did anyone ask you about whether or not you could ever be vegan? For that matter, since you're in the mood to answer questions OP asked, where did you answer either of OP's questions, neither of which was about your diet or whether you could be vegan?

>>20970247
what gif, nigger

>>20970284
>ESL autist who can't read between the lines

>>20970327
Real talk /ck/, is this place full of bots now? Like the normal response in this dumb conversation would have been "I'm not that anon," or some variation of it right? What's with all of the "people" here that suddenly can't follow a conversation?

>>20961052
Retard. Humans aren't meant to eat boatloads of fiber. Minimize your fiber intake, increase your fat and vitamin C intake.

>>20964562
Yeah because of his vegan diet lmao. Meat and fat is the easiest to digest, retard.

>>20972280
Digestive problems can take many forms, pseud.

>>20972280
>t. chronically constipated nigga whose couch smells like farts

Maybe it's just my autism speaking but frankly I'd really question the morality of any Vegan who doesn't preach their views assuming that they're a vegan for ethical reasons
It's like someone who is against abortion not speaking up when someone in their life is considering getting an abortion
People eat meat nearly every single day and so I'd want to know why they aren't standing up for the rights of animals

>>20959878
At this point I am far annoyed by people complaining about vegans than them.
Hear it way more frequently.

>>20972403
because it doesn't work

>>20971293
>What's with all of the "people" here that suddenly can't follow a conversation?
looks like maybe you responded to the wrong guy
assuming someone who replies must be that same anon with no context to imply it is pretty socially retarded

also, welcome to the site

>>20959878
I never say "I'm a vegetarian" I just say something like "thank you, but I don't eat meat" they usually start asking if I eat either chicken or fish or something -somehow people think meat=beef- and I just explain that I don't eat that either... No reason to be be a prick about it

>>20970782
Still not seeing any answer to the questions of
>Which of the literally two (2) sentences in OP asked for your life story and for you to homosexually announce your diet to people?
and
>Where did anyone ask you about whether or not you could ever be vegan?
And she still didn't answer OP's questions.
So what lines am I failing to read between, then?

>>20959878
im vegetarian and im pretty chill about it. the most bitchy i get is when people leave the kitchen smelling like fish, but i think thats fair because its not a nice smell.

>>20972442
>assuming someone who replies must be that same anon with no context to imply it is pretty socially retarded
I hate to tell you this friend but, I wasn't that anon.

>>20959878
Yeah, if you have anorexia and I'm not shitting on vegans there is legit a connection between going vegan and having anorexia, I mean those health conscious people who spend a ton of cash in those low carb low fat vegan products, who do you think those are for? Vegans going on a diet?

>>20961160
Based retard who doesn't understand what a protein is.
Plants can even produce complicated and unusual (for plants) fats, namely seen in the avocado.

>>20964219
His tummy might hurt from eating meat, you f*cknugget!

>>20972903
Yer mum's a complicated and unusual fat, m8.

>>20972570
>Is it possible to be vegetarian/vegan without being a douchebag about it?
>anon shares anecdote about how they try to not be an annoying vegetarian/vegan
If you can't see how those two posts are directly related you are an ESL autist.

This thread speaks for it self

>>20973114
It certainly illustrates just how badly meat eaters seethe when they are confronted with vegans.
Posting a vegan thread here is like making a post about UBI on /pol/.

>>20973138
I don't see much seething. I see a reasonable amount of realism met with glib opinions

>>20965440
its ok sweaty, you don't have to bring your vegan meals to the next potluck. No ones gonna eat it anyway

>>20959931
This is not correct, typical Vegetarian attitude. All the moral high ground posturing but none of the commitment, hypocrites... Ut praevidi.

I am vegan and I never talk down to anyone.

>>20973165
>you don't have to bring your vegan meals to the next potluck. No ones gonna eat it anyway
lmao
The funniest thing about this is that the last potluck I went to, I cooked something vegan for. I'm not even vegan or vegetarian (wife cooked sweet and sour pork meatballs with pineapple, shallot and mini sweet peppers on skewers). The best feeling was when I didn't have to package up the leftovers after. My vegan food was consumed in its entirety. The problem, though, is that most vegans simply don't know how to cook. I do. My good ain't pretty but goddamn, is it delicious.

>>20973108
Still incapable of answering the question asked, I see. I'll repeat it all for you, more slowly this time, since you're clearly a slow learner:
Which. Of. The two. Sentences. In OP. Asked. For your. Life story. And for you. To announce. Your diet. To people?
Where. Did anyone. Ask you. About. Whether or not. You could. Ever. Be vegan?
If you were asked these things, it should be very, very easy to point out where, right? Example: >>20960935 asked a question and >>20960947 gave an answer to that question. OP asked some questions yet >>20966813 (vous) didn't answer even one of them, instead announcing that she/you doesn't/don't announce her/your veganism, thereby proving herself/yourself both a liar and a retard.
So, where're the answers to the questions OP asked and where are the questions asked that needed >>20966813's vagina monologues as a reply?

>>20959878
>Is it possible to oppose the torture and slaughter of living sentient beings without being a douchebag about it?
No? Why would it? It's wrong and it needs to change. People just turn a blind eye because we've effectively distanced ourselves from all bad feefees of seeing a pig drown in shit in a cage before being clumsily and gruesomely killed.

>>20973432
IMO you can't bring meat eaters over with shame.
Nearly all the practicing vegans I know did so because the ybecame more compassionate in their age.
Not because some smarmy vegan shamed them for all the animal suffering.

>>20973514
Truly feels are actually what trump facts and logic as long as they are carefully and neatly packaged before presented and then digested over a decade or more.
Then they have kids and the cycle can begin anew.
Shame that problems often need solutions faster than that.

>>20972891
how the fuck am i vegan and still fat then?

>>20973514
I became vegan because of 2015 youtube

>>20973432
>>20973514
>>20973526
You niggas never get non-factory farmed meat?

>>20974090
that doesnt really make it any better

>>20968976
>>20969218
Do you really expect anyone to believe that you do anything but resenting in your head the meat eaters, the meat industry, and all of their various cruelty? Your compassion is an illusion. You are a cruel and weak creature. You resent the powerful, as all weak creatures do.
Your progenitors in England were bourgeois hypocrits. Juice drinkers, Theosophists, and castrati. Nueoritcs afraid of their own wealth and power. They looked down at the poor workers and wished that they could be like them: weak, worn down, and powerless. Just like Christ. You are their neurotic child. You have access to riches and meat and power and all it has done is make you crave weakness. To destroy all that your forefathers have built for you. And anyone who does not writhe in weakness like you is the Enemy. You're like Origen cutting his dick off. Slimy liars, all of you. Hitler had more compassion for animals than any of you, and he was a monster. Opium of the bourgeois. I spit on you. Lie lie lie lie. Like all True Believer you lie to unbelievers to cover your own ass.
I was one of you. I was you. I saw through your eyes and walked in your faux leather doc martens. You are weak. I have cast you out from my self and one day I will cast you out from my Beautiful World.

>>20972891
>low carb low fat vegan products
you just made that up

I guess the vegans itt were sincere about being very aware of bad optics because if I were a vegan I'd be dining out on a redditor who made themselves mad typing in an excruciatingly faggot way, and a literal schizophrenic presenting themselves

>>20974410
there's not really any enjoyment to be had from trying to get a rise out of people like that, they kind of just continue ranting with their gpt2-tier gibberish no matter what you say to them
it's just sad to see

>>20959878
Yes. Back in my school days there was this lil' cutie-patootie in my class, quite small for her age (perhaps due to her diet). She was vegan but never mentioned it. Someone found out about it though and then people always kept teasing her about it. She took it with humor though.

I wonder what you're up to these days, Lea, and whether you're still rocking that legal loli bod.

I know a girl who went vegan and started going bald.
Coincidence?

>>20973264
I chuckled

>>20975072
That's probably because some unqualified hack on YouTube told you to

>>20975061
Baldness is all genetics unless you like the taste of lead and arsenic or the like.

>>20960033
>>20960421
>kind of like telling people you don't drink.
>If I do say I don't drink, they usually act weird like I'm gonna be rapey or something, it's really annoying.
It's because like food, alcohol is a social thing. Saying you don't eat specific things, or don't drink and you're rejecting social interaction to some degree. And people don't like that on a basic level.

>>20960600
I'm on keto, and practically only eat meat and low carb vegetables. People always ask me if it isn't very expensive, but meat is so nutritionally dense that I eat way less, and ends up saving a lot compared to eating a more traditional diet.

>>20959938
Anon? Anon? Talk to me anon!

why is that talking about veganism turns even the most brilliant man into a fucking retard

>>20975625
It's because vegans are akin to religious zealots, their indoctrination has no substance and they just spout unintelligent rhetoric. It's clear that most of them have a high level of mental illness. They are in no way scholars and their 'gospel' comes from the utmost of amateurs on YouTube. They pit actual science against hearsay and they do so in such a childish and obnoxious way. In a different societal structure they would not be tolerated, because of their lack of realism and practicality. For me, in a collapse of society or a post apocalyptic scenario, they would be cannon fodder. As they have little tangible worth. They will never realise it, but they are without doubt sheltered by the rest of the population. The people they try to distance themselves from are the very people who are propping them up. Unequivocally the weakest of all links. But they will perpetually nest comfortably in their bubble feeling superior with absolutely no awareness of themselves or the overall situation

>>20975625
>why is that talking about veganism turns even the most brilliant man into a fucking retard
>>20975725
>Insecure seething meatflake sperg out at length his headcannon about vegans
Case in point

>>20975625
Because it's obvious to everyone that vegans have the moral high ground and meat eaters have a lot of cognitive dissonance about that.
Instead of owning up to that reality they try to discredit vegans with character attacks and cherry picked nutritional studies that justify the steak they were already going to eat.

>>20959878
no, they're all mentally ill
see >>20968485

>>20975757
it's funny, all they really have to say is "i don't believe animals are morally significant, their welfare does not matter"
there's no way to argue against an axiomatic statement like that, and such a belief would be completely consistent with supporting factory farming, yet they feel the need to write a million words to avoid saying it

>>20961150
>No, at least not without artificial supplements.
Most my food isn't raw. Microbial B12 isn't any more or less artificial than bread.

You're dependent on modernity to be a vegan, meh. Nature sucks and deserves no worship.

>>20975751
case and* point

>>20975751
>>20975945
Casein point.*

>>20975725
Shit this is totally spot on. Almost eloquently put. I expect some of them know this yet still act superior

>>20976708
It's funny because some of the worst people I've known are vegans. Dead inside apart from them thinking they're Dr Doolittle, no real humanity left - i.e. compassion for other humans. Bitter and emotionally retarded for whatever reason