Seed oil bros, hold me, I'm scared for our future.
>>20971404https://youtu.be/P_qKAzxT6bg?si=oJeRXEYThdO5k4bs
>>20971404Sunflower oil is based and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>20971404there is nothing wrong with seed oils
>>20971465Cottonseed oil can be problematic because of how toxic it can be when not carefully processed. It's fine if you buy from a source with decent manufacturing standards, but I wouldn't be buying anything with cottonseed oil from oh, say, chiner that's for sure
>>20971478i'm not buying any food product from china
>>20971465OUTTA MY WAY SEED OIL JEWS YOUR DAYS OF POISOING WHITE MEN ARE OVER
>>20971507https://youtu.be/SsGvHmPMKzA?si=Atwro5nOn0B0VGkR
should i use butter instead?
How did this meme even start? Was it Elon Musk on Joe Rogan? Or orthodox jews in New York?
>>20971610sounds like rogan bullshit to me
>>20971606Yes. Use ghee. You will turn into a poo spewing pajeet within days.
>>20971610Ketolards from reddit (not even joking)
>>20971404>Seed oil>No seeds in the oilWhat gives?
>no rape-seed oilyou will not gonna make it
>>20971823That's canola, chuck
>>20971816It's called that because you are seeding your own body with oxidized molecules that will sprout into cancer.
>>20971404MANDATORY BEEF TALLOW SUPPOSITORIES FOR ALL SEED OILERS
>>20971610It's not a meme, they're really toxic. Here's a neat little experiment you can run at home, even on Shabbat. Put a drop of seed oil on the inside of your forearm, rub it in. You'll instantly get this raised, red welt. Then, try the same thing with olive oil. It will absorb right in and your skin will feel smooth and refreshed, no reaction.Now if it does that shit to your skin imagine how bad it must be on your insides.
>>20971992
>>20971992You don't even need to do all that shit. Just give your seed oils a sniff. They smell terrible. Ghee, coconut oil, olive oil, avocado oil, all smell nice.
>>20971610If you are against ultra-processed foods, you are against seed oils. Canola was literally a poisonous engine lubricant before modern processes made it "edible".
>>20972017TLDR
The process of extracting seed oils turns them rancid, smelling and tasting horrible. They have to chemically clean ("deodorize") it so it doesn't make people gag. Do you really want something like that in your body?
>>20972017This isn't working, I checked the trend lines. The more you shills squeal about how great seed oils and empty carbs are, the more people avoid them. But you also shilled against Trump too, and look how that turned out.Sucks to be such a failure, your bosses will connect the dots sooner or later though.
>>20972069It's especially retarded to try and tie being anti seed-oil with keto dieters because one of the most well known researchers who has written extensively about the negative effects of seed oils also praises things like cane sugar, and fruit as superfoods.
>>20972069kek it's true isn't it. this faggot started posting his shit meme when sneed oil posting was niche shit and now our incoming HHS secretary is an active anti-seed oil advocate. Be careful when you post shit memes or it will monkey paw and bite you in the ass.
>>20972084They're not very smart, all the shills have are scripts and they're not allowed much leeway. Their main job is to associate (insert crazy thing they say is crazy) with (another thing) and try to poison the well, Jewishly.>>20972088Shills are butt flustered lately because, by all appearances, /pol/ is now running the US. And shilling is a feminine, lefty gig. You won't find many right wingers or men doing such demeaning, pointless work.
>>20971685Who?
>>20972097The shills create this headcanon but their problem is, nobody really cares what they say. They expect you to be in their space, with the same silly ideas, but this just means that they don't make actual sense at all.
>>20971404Hey are going to start diverting these stple crops into creating alternative fuels, for private jets and the like.
>>20971992I did that with canola oil, nothing happened
>>20972375>>20972375Which type of GMO canola™ did you use for your rigorous scientific testing?
>>20972419Nobody mentioned vegans, ketoschizo
I understand that some people may be against seed oils, but why the hell is pro seed oil? Regardless of the toxicity, seed oils have no flavor like animal fats or even olive oil. Like how poor do you have to be to grab a bottle of canola over olive? Who are these seed oil addicts?
>>20971404>muh seed oilthe main problem with seed oils is the >omega 6 to omega 3 ratiotoo much omega 6 causes bad inflammation and is (provable) really badpic relatedshows that flaxseed and canola oil are basically the only acceptable seed oilson the grand scheme it doesn't matter unless you consume goysloponly add minimal amounts of oil to your foodyou won't die (earlier) if you use like 2 tablespoons of sunflower oil every day>>20971610>how did seedoil meme starti know it mostly from /fit/started in 2014some anons (mostly tourists) on /fit/ really have the most retarded takes on food / nutrition anyway (but you can also get good advice)
>>20972746This entire thread is schizos fighting with invisible strawmen. They aren't known to be very smart nor live in reality. Their entire personality is finding something they don't like and then creating contrarianism against it. This is the current flavor of the month thing that made them an incel/fat/KHHV/etc so that they don't have to blame themselves. Notice how they randomly call anyone vegan/pro-seedoil/etc out of thin air.
>>20972746>seed oils have no flavortry roasted sesame oil>Who are these seed oil addicts?no onepeople just feel attacked because they consume a lot of oil in generaland olive oil is crazy expensive (comparatively) cheapest ones around me are ~14€/L whereas canola oil is ~2,50€/L
>>20972801>2014No, it really started around 2021-22 when the keto/carnivore meme diet fatasses adopted it as gospel.
>>20972804nice pic, savedpaleo diet is weird anywaysbecause depending on which location you look into, the diet varied madly from 99% fish in places like greenland to like 5% meat and 95% roots and fruits in equatorial regions
>>20972814maybe the "discussion" went main stream thenbut the schizo seed oil bad threads definitely started somewhere in 2014 on /fit/
>>20972826The OP is an autistic schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur and he's easily spottable because he's been doing this for years to try to drive a narrative.
>>20972833OP here, I have no idea what you're talking about. I only made this thread because RFK JR got nominated as health secretary and wanted to joke about seed oils because apparently he's anti seed oil. This is actually my second post in the thread, I only wanted to watch how the thread would play out, which unfortunately had less RFKposting than I thought. I don't visit /ck/ much so I didn't know there was this much more lore to posting about seed oils, I just wanted to make a joke man. I don't even cook with seed oils, I use cheap vegetable oil from Sam's Club.
>>20971404yo I'm gonna rank these>Sunflower oil>grapeseed oil>canola oil>corn oil>ricebran oil>>>>>>>soybean oilI dunno about the rest I have never tried those :^)
sneed oils lmao
>>20972746It's just a reactionary kneejerk from libsharts because they fear it's something their boogeymen like Musk or Rogan talked about at some point. >>20971992
>>20973040I quoted the wrong post >>20971610
>>20972416no name (the brand), canola oil
>>20972801So why do they push OO if its omega 6-to-3 ratio is 9:1? Sounds like we should all be using flax or rape oil.
>>20972925>I don't even cook with seed oils, I use cheap vegetable oil from Sam's Club
>>20971404>I only eat seethe oils
>>20973143What's wrong with it?
>>20973162
>>20973170Huh I guess I have been using seed oils all this time then.
>>20973174Calling that shit "vegetable oil" and plastering the label with pictures of salads should be illegal. Obviously that particular brand doesn't do the salad thing, but just calling it "vegetable oil" in itself is misleading.
>>20973177Why do they do it? Why the outright gaslighting?
>>20973192Because people would be less likely to buy it if it was accurately labeled as "soybean oil." They get away with the salad pictures because its a "serving suggestion" that you're supposed to put it on a salad, but obviously they just want you to associate their product with actual vegetables.
>>20973177Unfortunate, I like the way it heats up, so what's an actually good alternative, avocado oil? Is there a decent oil that's still relatively cheap next to seed oils or you pretty much have to fork up a significant amount more in cash if you step away from seed oils?
>>20973216Nobody's really that concerned with what YOU want to use. People are more concerned about what they themselves want to use.If you're too poor or thrifty to bother with other oils, well sneed up. It's no skin off our noses.
people who bandwagon on to the latest diet fad always look foolish. seed oil guys would have been carnivore guys in 2021, would have been keto guys in 2015, would have been low-fat guys in 2007, etc. always looking for an authority to tell them what to do. if you're eating a variety of foods, are hitting your macros, and aren't eating too many sweets or junk, you're probably alright. any health benefit past that is marginal at best. always astounds me how basic /fit/ dietary advice clears basically any fad diet.
The only seed oil I use is peanut oil, I use it to fry potatoes.
>>20972826>30% meat and 60% roots and fruits in equatorial regionsftfy. and the low meat now is a result of historical overhunting. in the past all humans were hyper carnivore according to stable isotope studies
>>20972746Well I don't know about canola oil but olive oil costs 20 times more than sunflower oil in my country. Also olive oil is not seed oil.
>>20972826>>20973237>historical overhuntingDo they hunt vegetables now?https://youtu.be/WUr_23ha6vs?t=1361
>>20973250In the US, the only oil cheaper than canola is vegetable (soybean).
>>20973196soybean is a vegetable, dumbass
>>20973216Avocado oil is good as long as you buy stuff thats not adulterated. The brands of avocado oil they carry at Costco are good to go. I really only use avocado oil for making my own mayonnaise though. My main cooking fats are butter/clarified butter, and EVOO. If you can afford butter, and have 30 minutes of spare time then you can afford clarified butter.
Go suck off megacorp slop producers, and their deceptive marketing schemes someplace else.
Dont buy this megacorp slop, buy the megacorp slop I buy instead!
>Dont buy this megacorp slop, buy the megacorp slop I buy instead!
>>20973269It's not a bowl of salad, dipshit.
>>20973261theyre moved off the lands where they used to hunt and elephant hunting is made illegal in many places
why is nobody talking about Rapeseed oil? It has a extremely nice omega 3 ratio, and has a word rape in it, very based
>>20973539>in canada, rape comes in oil
>>20973233you are going to die
>>20972814Why do you hate meat eaters so much
>>20973915>implying
>>20974040?
>>20972421>>20971685Kys Moxyte the ketoschizo You've been spamming /fit/ and /ck/ for YEARS but we all know about you and your atrophied vegan brain by now.
>>20971404You're scared for your future? YOU'RE SCARED? How do you think us corn syrup bros are feeling?
>>20971404Seed oils only exist because of the Industrial Revolution.
>>20973129>So why do they push OO if its omega 6-to-3 ratio is 9:1? because the overall content is low and mono unsaturated fats generally have the same health advantages over saturated fats as poly unsaturated ones, just a bit less and other advantages like being more stable than poly unsaturated ones (i.e. not getting rancid)>Sounds like we should all be using flax or rape oil.*and cold pressed (so no chemical extraction)and i mean yes, these are the two acceptable onesthen again, the health difference between SFAs, MUFAs and PUFAs isn't that bigit only gets bad once you start consuming too much fatif you only eat like <50g of fats/day it almost doesn't matter where it comes from - other food choices have a way bigger impact
>>20971404You vill fry in lard.
>>20974139cawn searp ain't going anywhere
seed oils are the margarine of oils. Industrial bullshit treated with all kinds of nonsense to make you think it's edible, when really it's some fucked up shit. Don't know why people are talking about Elon or Rogan, people have been criticizing seed oils since before either of them were famous. Stop being retarded
>>20973232you have no idea what you're talking about and are simply being contrarian. Go eat your margarine, faggot. You know they dye that shit yellow to trick you into thinking that it's anything like butter? Seed oils are another marketing trick, trying to make you eat garbage.
>>20974132>everyone who denounces my homosexual reddit diet and points out my posts is the same person
>>20974414..Anon margarine IS seed oil...
>>20974139Isn't that stuff almost pure glucose?
>>20974416“by cutting seed oils out of MY diet, it gave me the renewed ENERGY to seethe harder than ever on my favorite forums!
>>20972746Mayo.
>>20974975$1 CAD has been deposited by Big Rape.
>>20974835That's right, and people have been tricked into thinking it's just cheap butter. Just as they've been tricked into thinking seed oils are just cheap cooking oils.>>20974968Fatass, I guarantee it >>20974975This anon is unironically excited to eat bugs because it will make him feel like a good person.
>>20975048But I like saturated fat.
>>20972801Just use high-oleic sunflower oil. It's almost identical to olive oil in composition. Only the flavor is different.
>>20974975Canola, cotton, corn and soy have all been genetically modified to be able to resist pesticides, glyphosate and 2,4-D in particular. They have all spread into the wild and are now near impossible to eradicate. There are only 3 ways to get rid of them: ungodly amounts of pesticides, burning them one at a time or simply ripping them out. It's become impossible to get rid of them along roadsides, railways and waterways. As a result transport along these routes has become so costly it's way cheaper to transport products through the air or overseas. Migrants aren't stealing truckers' jobs, GM crops and greedy politicians are.
>>20975048Are you joking? Do you manufacture canola oil, or simply produce one of its ingredients?
>>20975102But I'm healthier and stronger than women eating salads drenched in "vegetable" oil.
>>20971404>seed oils>one is a bean
>>20975124Beans are seeds retard.
>>20975130beans are fruit, I have decades of whimsical limerick recitation backing me up on this
Saturated fat will not clog arteries by raising LDL cholesterol:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhUMUCoJOscDude eats 720 eggs in a month and his LDL cholesterol goes DOWN.720 eggs is a lot of saturated fat and a lot of dietary cholesterol.Saturated fat is not what causes atherosclerosis. Oxidized PUFAs cause atherosclerosis by raising oxidized LDL.
There is no robust data suggesting saturated fat causes atherosclerosis:https://academic.oup.com/eurjpc/article-abstract/29/18/2312/6691821https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31841151/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2824152/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/4/4/e004487What causes atherosclerosis is, instead, oxidized LDL cholesterol, which you get by eating oxidized fats, meaning the polyunsaturated fats (especially linoleic acid) found in common vegetable oils such as soybean oil which are literally rancid by the time you purchase them due to the high heat used in the process of making them:https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/health/a-lifelong-fight-against-trans-fat.htmlhttps://www.vanderbilt.edu/olli/class-materials/Nutrition_Immunity_Spr21_Session4.pdfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQmqVVmMB3kSaturated fat was the primary fat source for humans for thousands of years, yet heart disease was almost unheard of until humans started eating vegetable oils.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9794145/>Thus, from 1961 on, the AHA recommended that all men (and subsequently women) decrease their consumption of saturated fat, replacing these fats whenever possible with polyunsaturated vegetable oils, as the most promising measure of protection against heart disease.>The 1961 American Heart Association advice to limit saturated fat is arguably the single-most influential nutrition policy ever published, as it came to be adopted first by the U.S. government, as official policy for all Americans, in 1980, and then by governments around the world as well as the World Health Organization. It is worth noting that the AHA had a significant conflict of interest, since in 1948, it had received $1.7 million, or about $20 million in today's dollars, from Procter & Gamble (P&G), the makers of Crisco oil. This donation was transformative for the AHA, propelling what was a small group into a national organization.
https://openheart.bmj.com/content/5/2/e000898>OxLDL is thought to play an important role in atherosclerosis formation; however, it is the oxidised linoleic acid contained in LDL that leads to harmful OXLAMs, which induces atherosclerosis and CHD. Thus, reducing the amount of dietary linoleic acid, mainly from industrial vegetable/seed oils, will reduce the amount of linoleic acid in LDL and likely reduce oxLDL as well as the risk for coronary heart disease.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3315351/>Generally, polyunsaturated fatty acids favor the oxidation of LDL while monounsaturated fatty acids are less conducive to its formationMost seed oils are heated to 500F for 30 minutes during the process of making them. This renders them literally rancid, as polyunsaturated fat is very unstable and prone to oxidation. They then undergo a deodorizing process so the consumer cannot tell they are rancid.Rancid oil is literally, factually and objectively toxic.
https://www.diabetesresearchclinicalpractice.com/article/S0168-8227(22)00854-3/fulltext>oxLDL/LDL-C ratio was positively associated with severity of coronary atherosclerosis (OR 2.03, 95% CI 1.31–3.14, p < 0.01)>oxLDL/LDL-C ratio is significantly associated with the severity of coronary atherosclerosishttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0024320504000530>At 48 ± 2 d of age, the aorta phospholipid of piglets from porcine fed hydrogenated fat contained a significantly higher concentration of linoleic acid>These changes in composition in piglets from porcine fed hydrogenated fat indicate that trans fat inhibits the metabolic conversion of linoleic acid to arachidonic acid and to other n-6 PUFA.So, trans fat causes atherosclerosis by causing linoleic acid to build up in arteries. Linoleic acid is the stuff in stuff like soybean oil which is very easily oxidized.tl;dr: Linoleic acid = clogged arteries.Oils high in linoleic acid = soybean, corn, cottonseed, grape seed, hemp seed, non-high-oleic safflower oil, non-high-oleic sunflower oil.Olive oil is high in oleic acid and low in linoleic acid, so it's fairly healthy.The most stable oils, meaning the least prone to oxidation, are saturated fats which are solid at room temperature.Clogged arteries are caused by oxidized LDL cholesterol. LDL cholesterol levels are associated with clogged arteries only because LDL cholesterol levels are also associated with oxidized LDL cholesterol levels. Saturated fat has been wrongly demonized because it is associated with LDL cholesterol levels, but it is not associated with oxidized LDL cholesterol levels.Linoleic acid is the main culprit in terms of oxidized LDL cholesterol levels and clogging the west's arteries. Linoleic acid is the reason heart disease rates have increased in lockstep with the use of vegetable oils.
https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707When trans fat+saturated fat is replaced with high omega-6 fat in the human diet, the result is an increase in heart disease mortality.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0005276070901311Greater amounts of linoleic acid oxidation products are found within human atherosclerotic plaques and the degree of oxidation determines the severity of atherosclerosis.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0009308497000959Greater amounts of linoleic acid oxidation products are found in LDL and plasma of human patients with atherosclerosis.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0009308497000959The oxidation of linoleic acid in LDL leads to conjugated dienes (malondialdehyde and 4-hydroxynonenal), which covalently bind to apoB altering its structure creating oxidised LDL. oxLDL is no longer recognised by the LDL receptors on the liver but by scavenger receptors on macrophages causing monocyte infiltration into the subendothelium, foam cell formation and eventual atherosclerosis in humans.https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-6736(92)91129-V/fulltextSusceptibility to LDL oxidation is associated with severity of coronary atherosclerosis in humans.
Re: canola oil, it has less linoleic acid than things like soybean oil so it's better than things like soybean oil.It still has more than double the linoleic acid of things like butter, lard, tallow, chicken fat, etc. That linoleic acid is also exposed to 500 F for 30 minutes during canola oil's manufacturing process, oxidizing it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfk2IXlZdbI
Nuseed has GMO canola with high omega 3. I have a test sample of oil and it smells fishy as does the canola
>>20971404WhEN I wAs DrIvING My CaR I HiT A bEAR anD THeN HiD THe CORPse
>>20971685/pol/ddit theory vindicated once again
>>20975166Vegetal omega-3 (ALA) is virtually useless. The conversion ratio to animal omega-3 (EPA/DHA) is below 10%.
>>20975184
>>20975180Then why are so many farmers in Montana growing proprietary Nuseed canola?
>>20975184>Reddit is full of well adjusted, successful individualsreddit is where 4chan assholes go when they are banned.
>>20975184>Reddit is full of well adjusted, successful individuals Lol
>>20975272Kickbacks? Same reason people grow corn.
>>20974355Where do you even buy cold-pressed canola or flaxseed?
>>20971610Unironically joe rogan
>>20972746I don't want asian fried rice that tastes like olive oil
I can't wait until we move on this latest dumb nutrition freakout and on to the next one.
Somewhat off topic but is it worth buying one of these for my oil?
>>20971404Oh no, I might die before I'm 98.I cook almost entirely with animal fats simply because the dishes I make yield a surplus of those and I don't do much frying, but I don't tremble at the thought of a fucking french fry.
>>20976314if you cook a lot it's nice. My issue is a use a lot of different kinds of oil depending on what I cook.
>>20976322most people don't use animal fats because they think it's unhealthy.>>20976303this is far from a new thing, it's just that it became popular recently. People have been arguing about this since before margarine was invented. You eat margarine and food dye.
>>20976354expound
>>20976400olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, saved duck fat and chicken fat, vegetable/sneed oilto be clear I don't use them all at once, just depending on what I'm cooking.
>>20974139Corn Syrup and High Fructose Corn Syrup are not the same thing.
>>20976278which country?in Germany, every discounter, like Aldi or Lidl, has cheap cold pressed canola and flaxseed oilyou could look for organic oneor small, local oil milldefinitely more expensive but they are usually more likely to cold press the oil as the process is much simpler and can be done on a small scale
>>20971404FUCK YES! Olive oil bros, we're taking over!!
>>20975184Well-adjusted, successful individuals don't chop their cocks and balls off.
>>20976404Yet they're both cheap sugars grown derived from corn subsidized by the US government and both lead to health problems. That was the hyperbole of my sarcastic post.
>>20972804Grandma ain't eating the same grain I'm eating.https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200811120112.htm
palm oil.
>>20975141Can't this happen with oxidized HDL as well? Isn't the LDL meme literally just retards from the pre-science era who thought the problem was:>too much cholesterol literally "clogs" arteries and it's worse for LDL because those go into smaller blood vesselsReally, what one should do is avoid polyunsaturated fats and especially avoid heating them to high temps as that increases oxidation. Unsaturated fats aren't good either for the same reason but polyunsaturated are worse. If either of those are oxidized they result in oxidized cholesterol.Saturated fats like lard and tallow are the way, just avoid tenderflake cause that shit has absurdly high levels of trans fats for some fucked up reason.
>>20977542>Can't this happen with oxidized HDL as well?Haven't seen evidence of this. Would be interested if anyone can find any.>Really, what one should do is avoid polyunsaturated fats and especially avoid heating them to high temps as that increases oxidation.Yep. Most of them have already been exposed to high temps by the time you purchase them. Cold pressed oils aren't but the vegetable oils you'll find in your typical slop are NOT cold pressed as cold pressed oils are more expensive.>Saturated fats like lard and tallow are the wayYep.
>>20975141https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26268692/>Saturated fats are not associated with all cause mortality, CVD, CHD, ischemic stroke, or type 2 diabetes
Theres always alot of "people" that get irrationally angry when you badmouth seedoils. Huh, I wonder why that is.
so what's the apparent problem with seed oil?please don't just post links to youtubers
>>20977699Clogs arteries because it's usually heavily oxidized by the time you eat it.
>>20973177>calling it "vegetable oil" in itself is misleading.Not really. I think making labeling laws that cater to retards who don’t know what words mean is not good over all, even though it would help some people.
>>20974551>homosexual reddit dietYou will never fit in
>>20976322>I don't tremble at the thought of a fucking french fry.Wow, real brave guy over here
>>20971404LardChads keep winning, enjoy your free radicals
>>20977771I consume a broad spectrum or antioxidants anon. Free radicals have no power here
>>20977779consuming antioxidants isn't what protects you from free radicalsyour body makes anti-oxidants to directly address them. it's not antioxidants floating around your bloodstream from your diet
>>20977860well I think I'll follow the Mayo Clinic's advice over anoninon on a himalayan pencil erasing derby
>>20977868mayo clinic doesnt say consuming antioxidants protects you from oxidation
>>20971404I use butter
>>20971460the cold pressed stuff is fine
>>20977878yessuhhttps://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/add-antioxidants-to-your-diet/art-20546814
>>20975083>It's become impossible to get rid of them along roadsides, railways and waterways. As a result transport along these routes has become so costly it's way cheaper to transport products through the air or overseas.lmao you think some volunteer corn near the railroad tracks makes rail transport more expensive than air freight?
>>20972746>No flavourThat's a good thing, I don't want to use olive oil and have everything I make taste like gabagool
>>20977036The study says they didn't find any meaningful differences between old and new wheat and that the environmental conditions produced greater changes than the variety of wheat itself. The study implies that you are, in fact, eating the same grain grandma was eating.
>>20973177Animal, vegetable, mineral. Which one best describes a soybean?
>>20977930well they're wrong except in obvious cases like when it's also a vitamin (C, E, carotenoids if not eating real vitamin A)really the article is talking about the benefits of 'healthy' foods as a whole, though, as summarized by their own statement toward the end:>Individual antioxidants taken as supplements have less scientific support.they also basically said what I said in the beginning>The body's cells can fix or prevent free radical damage, for example, by making antioxidant enzymes. And some antioxidants, such as vitamin C, come from food and drink.it's just one of those articles for brainlets who don't understand anything and ask them things like "are antioxidants .. LE GOOD? My friend and my Better Housekeeping magazine said they're good, but my scientist friend said it's unproven.. what's the truth?"the truth is eating whole foods is good for youeating antioxidants (especially from whole food) isn't necessarily bad, but your body making antioxidants is actually what protects you from free radicals, not molecules with high ORAC like lycopene or astaxanthin. though those aren't necessarily bad for you either.i feel like this blog post was probably a waste of time though because nuance is probably lost on you
>>20977997Even if he's an idiot, maybe a third party will get something out of it.
>>20977710Then the retard is you
>>20978016I’m retarded because I know what words mean? Clever
>>20972804Gramma lived to 95 because she had clean air to breath, the food wasn't all GMO'd to shit and full of pesticides and no nutrition due to depleted soils, she didn't have 500 boosters by adulthood, and wasn't economically stressed to where taxes are unpayable and houses are unaffordable.The food is just a minor detail. Modernity sucks.
>>20976577>>20976278You can't cold press seed oils. That's why they only existed with industrial processing. Canola or Rapeseed isn't much different from mustard seed. How much mustard seed do you think you need to grind down to make a liter of oil? How the fuck are you going to do that cold pressed?
>>20978052You can, it's just that most of them taste like fucking shit when cold pressed.
This amount of blatant samefagging should be a criminal offense in real life. Get help.
>>20972084Cane sugar as in poorly refined, raw sugar is over all less calorie dense and has other flavor notes so you don't use as much sugar. The term superfood usually refers to foods high in antioxidants and yes fruits like blue berries and strawberries are high in antioxidants.
>>20977036>>20977975This guy is clearly retarded. We've been eating the same durum wheat with the same protein (gluten) content since Rome.
>>20973162Higher in erucic acid, high in omega-6s, both pro-inflammatory. Rates of cardiovascular disease increased with their adoption. There's limited data on it, but there were some compelling studies in the 70s on asylum patients that showed total replacement of dietary fats with vegetable oils led to significant increases in mortality and changes in the composition of neuron and cardiac phospholipids.
>>20976314A lot less of mess than pouring out of the plastic bottles it comes in..
>>20977977Soybean best describes soybean.
thought i rolled onto /fit/. anyways. either side of this debate must do the thing. the thing that ends all debate on /fit/. ----post body----
>>20978113this nigga never took a multiple choice test
>>20978052>You can't cold press seed oils.You can. That's what salad oil refers to in old recipes.
My grocery store has a bunch of coupons for avocado oil (100%, I checked) and I've been using that after getting like a million bottles because I pretended to be buying shit for my elderly neighbors (it was buy some other shit, get other shit free). I like it. I blast fish on ultra heat with it.
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>>20972020Canola oil smells nice
>>20972746>why pro seed oil?Trolls, liberals who suck Jew dick, shills, and fast food enthusiasts who frequent /ck/. Dems turned pro-corporate in the last few decades once corpo twitters spewed pro-fag shit, so they shill for any cheap filler product because they are good lapdogs. They will use mental gymnastics to say it's resisting right wingers or some shit even though it's origin is from docs and fad dieters (also shills).
>>20972804It's not pro-seedoil, it's goyslop, get it right. It's unhealthy shit for goys to slurp down, that's the whole point. Leftover cuts, deodorized oil, meat glue, etc. are all corpo cost cutting measures to feed the wagie slaves the worst food possible while sustaining them for their Jew employers to exploit.
>these fucking retards think oil is real
It cracks me up how many of you are saying:>they must be bad because they taste badYou are buying cheap, nasty oil. If you bought cheap nasty olive oil it would be just as bad. Pic related. This is the rapeseed (canola) oil I buy. It is delicious. You can literally eat a spoonful of it because it's so good: nutty and smooth and warming.
>>20978567>made in the UKoi m8, i think I hear your faggy king callin'. Hes sayin' hat thar glass bottles a deadly weapon and you need to bin it right away or face legal reprecushions.
>>20978052>You can't cold press seed oilswtf!? are you retardedyou can literally cold press any seedeven at homeseehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ4GIY_Fd9Mlike I said here >>20976577most oils you get in German supermarkets are cold pressed, without any chemicalsI have an oil mill like 10km from my homei can walk in and see how they press canola oil, right in front of my eyes>posted at 2amonce americans wake up, /ck/ quality really does go downand I needed like a 1min google search to find out that even walmart has cold pressed canola oil
>>20978120>----post body----No, what you need to do is post arteries. The issue is plaques. Even a healthy looking person can have their arteries full of plaques.
>>20972746Seed oils became popular for a number of reasons. Though largely it was due to companies shilling them since they were cheap to make and shit and later on there was a retard who made it his life's mission to shill it because he did some really bad studies that claimed saturated fats were unhealthy (and seed oils have more polyunsaturated/unsaturated fats than lard/tallow/etc..) and that influenced the FDA and other other big orgs around the planet.There was a similar thing with trans fats. Unfortunately, while the world has now turned completely against trans fats and has moved to eradicate and ban them completely from all countries the same hasn't happened to polyunsaturated/saturated fat heavy oils (e.g. seed oils). There are still a ton of articles out there and boomer retards on TV that say saturated fats are "bad fats" and unsaturated are "good fats" even though modern research flat out contradicts this.
>>20975137Kek finally some good fucking post
>>20976314My wife got me a nice one for my birthday and I really like it
>>20978727this is just complete bullshit>Seed oils became popular for a number of reasons>largely it was due to companies shilling them since they were cheap to makesesame oil is over 5.000y oldcanola became popular because new cultivations breed out erucic acid and it became edible (like thousands of other plants in the last 100y)Brassica oilseeds themselves are pressed to oil and eaten for 3.000+ years>while the world has now turned completely against trans fatsyeah, because there are dozens of big meta, cohort and even a few clinical studies that show that high intakes trans fats are really strongly connected with with heightened all cause mortality, total coronary heart disease, and coronary heart disease mortality>that say saturated fats are "bad fats" and unsaturated are "good fats" even though modern research flat out contradicts this.ok where?saturated fats are better than previously thought and generally show low / no increase in (all cause) mortalitybut this dismisses positive health effects of unsaturated fats (with SOME - not all - oils)though where you are rightthis is currently a scientific debate and has nothing to to in boomer TV
>>20978797They've been around forever but generally people used lard for cooking everything back in the day.It's not a meta, man made trans fats are indefensible in the face of science pointing out they cause heart disease and shit. Seed oils are perceived as natural so people have a different perception of them.Atherosclerosis outweighs any meme "health effects" of seed oils like reduced bloating or whatever dumb shit people believe.
>seed oil>gluten>msgif you believe any of these are bad you are officially retarded and belong on facebook with those other scientists
>>20971404>get really high>buy 5 gallons of peaonut oil from amazon>forget>mfw they arriveactually a very good buy
Since I can’t just pour the little of vegetable oil I just bought down the drain, should I just drink it so as not to waste it?
>>20978818>They've been around forever but generally people used lard for cooking everything back in the day.yeah but in what amounts?daily fat consumption per capita went up like +50% in the last 70y in western countriesand while it was high in middle ages in Europethey also weren't really a beacon of health>Atherosclerosis outweighs any meme "health effects"which is caused mainly by big surplus Omega6...and not unsaturated fats in generalOmega 9 is fine and Omega 3 is which mainly causes the health benefits>of seed oilsthat's why I wrote "SOME"canola or flax seed oil (both high in Omega 3 and low in Omega 6) are provably way more healthy than lardthe only healthier option here would be eating fish (or the seeds directly) as added fat / oil is always worse than consuming it as part of a whole foodthis discussion in a /fit/ or /ck/ context is useless anywayas long as you cook yourself, eat balanced, avoid deep frying, don't consume goyslop and of course don't eat much added fatthere is probably not even a noticeable difference in health outcomes whether you use a tablespoon of canola oil, olive oil or lard when cooking
>>20972022That's fine for canola, but what about the rest? Sunflower oil just requires you grind it up and squeeze (you know, like olives?)How about peanut oil? That comes in grind process and solvent process?Is the issue the seed oil part, or the extraction process part (solvent vs grind 'n press)? Why say "seed oils bad" but then the coconut is fine? Corn oil is bad but corn is fine?
99.99% of people that are anti seed oil have read exactly 0 research and got the idea from a short form video of a guy standing in a grocery store
>>20976314I'd advise going for one with tinted or colored glass.Not just because it subjectively looks nicer (if colored), because light exposure helps oil (of all types) go stale.No downside to doing so.Marginally related: Dont add uncooked garlic to yer oil as an infusion attempt. Can give you botulism.
>>20978830Can I see a picture of the oil along with a timestamp that has a hand-drawn happy face on it please and thank you
>>20978859>70y in western countriesbruh, we're talking early 1900s here. It was as popular as butter. It's not until the later 20th century that it started being regarded as unhealthy specifically due to its high amount of saturated fat.The idea that saturated fat is bad was perpetuated by Ancel Keys who did some (bad in retrospect) studies on coronary heart disease and then traveled all over the world shilling his (flawed) results. The general consensus based on his studies was that people should stop using saturated fats (including shit like Butter) and switch to stuff like vegetable oils.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancel_Keys>which is caused mainly by big surplus Omega6...No, it is caused by oxidized LDL which is created from oxidized (poly)unsaturated fatty acids (i.e. lipid radicals). Note polyunsaturated fat is more susceptible to becoming a lipid radical due to the presence of a methylene bridge which makes the molecule more unstable. I posted an image depicting how Atherosclerosis develops in >>20978724 and another anon linked some papers on it.This omega 9/3 stuff is just memes by health retards who don't actually read research.
>>20972746>>20978727>>20978797>>20978818>>20978859>>20978891swallow a shotgun
>>20976314It's useful, just get a stopper with a thicker tube or you'll have trouble getting it to flow out without shaking it.
>>20978859>canola or flax seed oil (both high in Omega 3the omega 3 in seeds and nuts isn't really that useful to us. we don't convert it that well.a better source is actually algae oil if you want to supplement it without fish.
>avocado oil for high high cooking>olive oil for everything elsethis is my strategy, works quite well.
>>20978861All modern seed oils use the same ultra-processed extraction methods. Cold-pressed seed oils are fine, but you can't get those in NA supermarkets.
>>20978912>the omega 3 in seeds and nuts isn't really that useful to usthat's highly individualsome convert it well, others don'tthough supplementing should be from algae oilbut neverthelesseven not converted Omega 3 has none of adversary health affects of Omega 6
>>20979086So if there are rapeseed cultivars already low in erucic acid why do we even make canola oil?
>>20979086>What about the erucic acid? Humans literally can't eat rapeseed oil without removing it.which erucic acid???there is like <0.1% erucic acid in todays common rapeseedsand that's hardly news, these varieties are grown since the 80sand humans can eat erucic acid it's not toxic... just unhealthybelow ~2% you can't even measure / find negative health effects again, remember, modern rapeseed oil has far below <0.1% of erucic acid, so this is an absolute non issue
>>20979114Erucic acid is indirectly healthy for humans, since it's quite toxic to parasitic worms.
>>20971460Lay's were better when they were fried in LARD. Not only that, they were FULL of spices, not shit like today.
I'm not about to let some schizoprhenic high school dropouts tell me what to eat just because they're gullible enough to listen to barefoot boomer droppers
>>20977699It's cleaned with bleach and solvents. It's extremely sensitive to heat and light so it goes rancid faster than butter, olive oil, etc. It has a fat profile that's balanced to fatty acids we already receive too much of in our diet. Even just speaking of natural nuts and seeds, they're associated with inducing more weight gain behavior (animals stuff themselves with nuts and seeds before cold winter to gain weight and insulate during the winter), so it's more naturally fattening.
>>20971460It's not.
>>20972746All the faggots defending seed oils are shills and bots. That stuff is garbage no matter what any fat lardass here says.>But muh e celeb saidDon't care, still not consuming seed oils.
>>20976314Its something you dont need, but is nice and convenient to have
>all these fatties in their cope bubbleDon’t care, don’t eat seed oil, 18% BFI without trying and feel good.Deal with it.
>>20976983Any large amount of sugars is going to cause health issues. The issue isn't the type of sugar, it's the amount we're consuming. But to change anything would be against freedom of choice. If our leaders were smart, they would inspire our citizens to want to get healthy. Offer free exercise programs.
>>20978797Which unsaturated oils have positive health effects?
People should have the right to make decisions that you think are poor. That's all that I have to say on this matter.
Viral tik toks of brain dead liberals drinking seed oils to 'own' the right have started appearing en masse.Absolutely beautiful.
>>20980266Yeah I'm looking forward to TDS^2.
>>20980003>The issue isn't the type of sugarSomething a corn syrup lobbyist would say...
>>20980229I love how they always frame it as "being afraid" of things like seed oils. These people are so brain damaged that they have completely lobotomized the part of their brains that recognizes disgust.
>>20980414It's a gambit, you don't wanna be a pussy do you? Well then just poison yourself.
>>20973216Coconut oil is fairly cheap and has a high smoke point. Good for frying.
>>20980592Most of it's rancid before it hits the shelves though.
>>20980003>>20976983The issue isn't corn syrup. It's fructose.Most of the body can't do shit with fructose other than the liver. So when you eat it mostly ends up in the liver or turned into farts. Fruit juice is literally as bad for your liver as alcohol and will lead to fatty liver/cirrhosis/etc.. It's not as bad to eat actual fruit because all the fiber slows down digestion and lets more of it turn into farts.Sucrose is 50% fructose, 50% glucose.HFCS is 55% fructose, 45% glucose.Glucose is entirely different, every cell in your body eats that shit and your pancreas produces insulin and shit to manage blood-glucose levels.The "HFCS is bad" or "corn is bad" shit is just a mirage. We don't really use dextrose (left-glucose which is easy to manufacture) in cooking very much because it has a less popular milder taste, but it's probably what most people should switch to unless they have some form of diabetes and have to worry about things with a high glycemic index (since fructose is basically a fake trash sugar that the body can't use then you can eat it and not have it impact blood-glucose levels, which is why sometimes diabetics prefer it alongside all the other fake sugars).
>>20971404>seed oil>soyBEAN oil
>>20978724>>20978891So what do you do when you get plaque buildup in your arteries? Can anything get rid of it or are you just screwed?
>>20980867>>20975137
>>20981511Lecithin + vitamin c blasts it out.
>>20981540source?
>>20981545Nobel Prize winning doctor Linus Pauling. But don't do it - he's a crank. Just drink more cottonseed oil OK? You'll do fine.
>>20981561linus pauling said lecithin + vitamin C reverses plaque?
>>20981563Yeah!
bump
>>20981565can you link to anything? don't remember that onei remember people making liposomal vitamin C being a thing for a while, and that was lecithin + vitamin C, but I don't remember claims of plaque reversal
>>20981570Sorry I don't have a link to everything I've ever read. I'm sure you can easily find this though.
Damn that's interesting, going to try this periodically to see if it works.
>>20979812A lot of the shills have no choice about what they eat, they live in mass housing and don't even have private toilets. Stacked like sardines, every action regulated and watched.Most shills don't even have access to unfiltered Internet.
>>20981585>they live in mass housing and don't even have private toilets. Stacked like sardines, every action regulated and watched.It's called prison, man.
>>20978547Nope, you are wrong, progressives genuinely hav become pro-seedoil in the last 2 years in addition to their previous junk food apologia.
>>20981511Atherosclerosis is NOT reversible. However, it is a slow process that takes years to get really bad and some level of atherosclerosis is common. For the most part the only thing you can do is do shit to mitigate it over the years and this is what "treatment" generally consists of.When it gets really bad you're talking stuff like heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms, and a ton of other horrible stuff.>>20981540Don't listen to this schizo advice. That's not how any of this works.
>>20982599midwit moron
>>20979812
>>20982605>>20981563>>20981570Linus Pauling started believing that Vitamin C was the cure for everything and started writing books shilling it and stuff even after further studies concluded that it was all retarded bullshit.
>>20982606replace "shill" with "grifter" and you have the pro seed oil zealots
>>20982599Early stage is reversible. Late stage not so much.
>>20971404hold strong brother, I just made fried breaded pork chops today in 1000% canola oil and it was amazing.
>>20971606Historically lard was most popular because they get so much of it when slaughtering pigs. Cheap. Waygu beef tallow though is not a meme.
>>20982625>further studiesMaybe the studies were funded by people who stood to lose a lot of money if vitamin C therapy was more widespread? It's sure possible.
