I'm looking to buy an induction cooktop, but they have these extremely annoying touch-sensitive controls (or even worse, an actual touchscreen). The only one I could find that has something resembling a knob is an extremely expensive ultra premium one.Why the fuck do they make them this way? Are there people who actually like the touch controls? I just want a cooktop with normal knobs that won't cost me an arm and a leg.
>capacitance screens in kitchensAre they insane? This is very bad.
>>20979213Anything with real knobs means it's high quality and high quality isn't cheap.Up your budget or get over it.
>>20979213Touchscreens are much cheaper. Old induction tops had regular knobs, but that's mainly because they were all seen as premium devices 15-20 years ago.
>>20979227>real knobs are a sign of qualityGrim
>>20979233It's becoming that way again in cars as well.The last 15 years higher end cars have been going for touch controls, but recently many new higher end models are going back to actual knobs and buttons (though they keep the screen(s) for apple carplay and android auto.)
>>20979213>but they have these extremely annoying touch-sensitive controlseasier to manufacture, easier to clean, easier to installbut yeah I dislike them too>I just want a cooktop with normal knobs that won't cost me an arm and a leg.eh what's your budgetfunnily enough the cheapest as well as the most expensive Miele cooktops have knobsthe middle ones only touch kekanywaydon't know if these are already in your category of ultra premium, though definitely premiumbut around ~4-5000€ you'll get a 4 knob controlled cookzones with fume extractor fan>Miele ProLine>Gaggenau Vario 400>Bora Professional 2 (the new 3 probably not under 6k)I'm really not sure if there are any stand alone cooktops in the non-premium segment with knobsunless you want to get an oven-cooktop combination you might be out of options
>/ck/>not wanting to cook with natural gas or propane You're about to pay one of life's idiot taxes.
>>20979227>gaggenauI'm surprised these are known on /ck/always though of them as super nicheI love all my gaggenau appliancesbut you rarely see them in stores unless you specifically search for them (even though I live just a few hours from their headquarter)
>>20979262>not wanting to cook with natural gas or propane>You're about to pay one of life's idiot taxes.why??induction is just as goodbut way easier to clean, I can couple it directly with a thermometer and basically get a PIDand it's not giving my kids asthmamy house doesn't even a natural gas connection, saved me like 15kalso during summer I cook for free with rooftop solartell me again, why is Gas better?
>>20979277gas is more intuitive.I can glance at my burners and in an instant recognize roughly what heat level each burner is putting out. Also gas has instant on/off thermal control, which you also get with induction, but you don't get with resistive electric coil heating. You can obviously adjust to induction, but if you've been cooking for 10-20 years on gas burners you have a feel for the flame output and it's simply not possible to get that same sort of feel/intuition on induction as there are no visual indicators like the color/size of a flame on a burner.
>>20979213>Why the fuck do they make them this way? It's the future anon. People like futuristic gadgets more than practical appliances
>>20979268>you rarely see them in storesBecause they're not carried by most stores.None of the major appliance sellers in the US carry them. I have a home depot near me that is listed on Gaggenau's dealer list, but having been in the store, I've never seen any Gaggenau appliances.Gotta go to speciality appliance showrooms and shit.
Speaking of cooktops, how the fuck do i keep the goddamn knobs above the oven door cleanthey always get soaked in with aerosolized grease and pepper and dust and they're so disgusting so fast
>>20979213That's what you clowns get for drooling over iphones. You've ruined the entire human<>device interface experience for the rest of us.
>>20979305you clean them every few days.
>>20979291>gas is more intuitive.fairseems like a minor advantages>I can glance at my burners and in an instant recognize roughly what heat level each burner is putting out. yeah and I can look at the display on the stovetop and see itif you're adjusted to gas burner your whole life I understand why you wouldn't want to switchbut on the other side, I never want to switch back to gas - Induction just gives you even finer temperature control and is easier to use>but you don't get with resistive electric coil heatingyeah these are shit, no discussion needed
>>20979319>Induction just gives you even finer temperature control and is easier to useNo it doesn't.I can finely adjust the gas knob for very fine temp control too.Likely even MORE finely than your induction top.Even if your induction top gives you a 0-100 (and most are 0-10) scale, I can guarantee my gas knobs have more granularity than 100 discreet levels.
>>20979277>induction is just as goodit's better actually
>>20979322>Even if your induction top gives you a 0-100 (and most are 0-10) scale, I can guarantee my gas knobs have more granularity than 100 discreet levels.discreet levels don't matter (when you have enough) if you can set a temperature directlyPID controllers are always superior compared to manually adjusting temperature
>>20979334Problem is you're not actually getting an accurate cooking surface temp with that.It's just a temp sensor in the center of the magnetic coil, so yeah it'll tell you the temp of the bottom of the pan in the center, but it's not telling you the temp where you're actually cooking. It's better than nothing but it's hardly something to be followed if you need precise temp control.If you're making candy for example you should still have a temp prob inside your melted sugar to make sure you're not overshooting your temp. You can't rely on your cooktop's sensor to be that accurate.
>>20979342>probprobe
>>20979240They want poor people to crash when they're forced to look at a screen to adjust settings that could be indexed in an older vehicle. All to justify the continued existence of insurance mafias and their police soldiers.
>>20979213I feel your pain anonI. I had to replace my Midea one after it cracked (droped a pot on it), and the only thing i could find was pic related.
>>20979561>not induction
>>20979268>I'm surprised these are known on /ck/I learned about them from an episode of Frasier
>>20979565I know. I couldn't find induction one that would fit in the hole.
>>20979579could've made a bigger hole
>>20979213I used to be an induction extremist until I blew a fuse in my induction cooker and had to throw it away because impossible to repair without a special chinese proprietary screwdriver. So I bought one of these (picrel) for like $20 and it's way better.It only has one knob and an on/off switch. No power needed, no screens, no displays, and it doesn't beep at me, ever. Also it's indestructible.Never going back.
>>20979671You just put this on your kitchen counter? How often do you have to change the propane tank on this?
>>20980072A butane canister lasts almost two weeks. I get a three pack for $4 from the Asian grocery store. I don't know how that compares to electric but around $1 per week for gas cooking seems pretty good to me.Those asians are onto something.
>>20979322to adjust a gas knob like that takes more motoric skills than I will ever posses, induction is way less struggle
>>20979213Touch screens are a lot cheaper than good analog controls. It's just another cost-cutting measure.
>>20979213>Are appliance manufacturers retarded?Yes and penny pinchers as well. They've been sitting on their ass for decades, not innovating a damn thing. Instead of coming up with proper alternatives to gas, they just half ass shit because they KNOW no one can cook and it's just decorative. That is what all these fancy new stovetops are for - fancy sleek decoration.
>>20979334IF you get one like that; you are assuming you aren't being jipped with the old cheap standard PWM controller that is just a bimetallic strip. As well as assuming you got all the copper you were advertised. And even then you are restricted to conductive pots.
>>20980157>I don't know how that compares to electricUsually about a third of the price depending on your local rates (I'm average at $0.15/kW). Using gas for heating is WAY more efficient than power company electricity. However, using gasoline is less efficient than battery electricity due to all the waste heat and noise. Weird shit.
>>20979561>KUMTELlol
>>20979213>Why the fuck do they make them this way?because they want you to sufferrich people arent touching a stove so they dont need to worry about it
