>Also, having spent some time in Ramsay's kitchens
No way he ever worked there. I bet he's referring to one or two times when he went to Ramsay's restaurants, said he was a food YouTuber, and asked if he could have a quick look in the kitchen. Wouldn't put it past the weirdo to make up something like that.

>>20980650
kenji is like a PHD level expert on cooking. pretty sure he could get a job in any kitchen

>>20980640
Old faggot here. Kitchens were toxic environments long before those two ever graced a screen. It's because chefs, line cooks, preppers, dishwashers, etc are all pieces of human fucking garbage. I hope your feelings are hurt

>>20980658
kenji is a cuck mutt and you lost

>>20980658
Are you serious?
That sounds like a meme major to scam idiots

>>20980640
Didn’t Kenji only work at a Gordon Ramsey place for a couple weeks? He must bring this up every time view counts hit a new low.

>>20980658
Being an 'expert' at cooking is like having a degree in fitness, the only things that count in those industries are chefs and bodybuilders and athletes, and "Kenji" has never run a restaurant.

LOL isn’t Kenji a they/them these days, fuckin studio gangsta couldn’t ever survive the line.

>>20980662
tryhard alert lol

Kenji's wife just left him lol
he's spiraling

>>20980658
Maybe teaching

But working in a professional kitchen is basically an athletic pursuit and his bitch-tits won't cut it.

>>20980686
I have his first cookbook and it’s very informative from a technical standpoint, many good recipes in it too. He is a bit insufferable though honestly.

>>20980802
the fact that you could use this line about pretty much every single chef says a lot

>>20980640
Being a rude obnoxious elitist egomaniac brat makes for the best cuisine and the best television.

Both of them act like the most popular 15yo boy on the playground and it's absolutely single mother raised boys energy 100 percent. It impresses the most beta of males and the trashiest women which is a double win for these two clowns.

>>20980901
t. Low T

>>20980802
You yourself could write a cookbook and go into detail about all the things you need to know in order to cook those meals. And for the little tidbits you don't know, you could do a quick google search. It's not rocket science. Heat up meat. Heat up vegetables. Put stuff in pan. Make sauce. Come on now.

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kenji is the greg12 of food tubers
many such cases. SAD!

>>20980802
>oh look, an insufferable faggot
>better buy its book haha

>>20980928
I only bought it cause I recognized his name from the serious eats website and his recipes were always good. There’s useful information in there about a lot of things I never learned on the line. Wasn’t until social media invaded everyone’s life that I even knew what he looked like and had to hear his gay takes on things unrelated to food. Still worth the purchase imo.

>>20980640
I learned to bake bread from Kenji videos but his takes on social media are so dogshit...He's such a libtard.

>>20980991
he's just a true believer. most leftists aren't true believers, they know how dumb some of their views are, they all know the drag queens in schools thing is retarded, but most are smart enough to go with it because it helps them achieve their goals. they believe in power at any cost. but kenji is too stupid to realise that and actually believes in all of that stuff with all his heart. chronic trump derangement syndrome of the worst kind.

>>20980640
>Is working in a professional kitchen really that bad?
meh depends

the one where I currently work is genuinely the nicest workplace I ever had
but it's a small hotel restaurant in a mid sized city (with "only" one michelin star)
we don't have much pressure - except the occasional pride of our Chef de cuisine

also most guest are (really) old people that just want to get wasted on good wine
probably also the most frustrating thing, because you see their blank, indifferent star whenever the food comes but they light up as soon as they get the next wine
funnily enough, all the 20s/30s looking guests usually take an alcohol free pairing (which imo is way better)

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>>20980640
what's wrong with passion

>>20981021
i hope you have a "passionate" boss

>>20981025
thanks anon, and you too!

Imagine spending your weekends cooking food for couples who are going to have sex.

>>20980640
Yes, and it's directly the result of celebrity chef fags, and asshole owner/ operator cooks who believe themselves to be chefs.

Psychopaths, or however you fictive concieve then end up disproportionally as chefs. High stress tolerance, insular environment, few every barriers, they burn all their options and decide to be two bit local chefs and abuse hundreds of teenage staff members in a massive conga line. The shit I've seen. And I'm never the victim of it, it's everyone else.

>kitchen is loud so I'm going to yell
>but nobody else is allowed to yell
>unless it's "yes chef"
>going to yell at someone's face
>not bullying them, the kitchen is loud :^)

>use knife to cut vegetables
>carry knife to get to vegetables
>carry knife to speak to junior staff
>carry knife into car park while on break
>carry knife roll into suppliers store, supermarket
>not armed, I'm cutting vegetables :^)

>argues with supplier over produce
>refuse to pay supplier
>called bargaining
>bargain with junior staff
>refuse to pay junior staff
>it's my business
>we're bargaining

>have front of house staff
>foster division and resentment
>encourage them to abuse each other
>so you can abuse them
>let your rich clients grope underage waitress
>she was a slut anyway
>I'm only in charge of the kitchen :^)

>I'm in charge because I work the hardest
>watch me burn myself on a pan
>proves I work the hardest
>burn yourself on a pan whenever you do something wrong
>something I say is wrong
>to prove you're committed
>maybe you'll inherit this place :^)

Can't count how many times.

How many poor kids have I seen in tears because an adult man has screamed at them in front of others in a confined space. How many times have I seen a chef use violence against staff. Throwing pots, raising his arm, treating people like you would a dog.
Anywhere else they'd be charged by police, not sacked, they'd be in prison. But chefs like Gordon Ramsey, Marco Pierre white, scum like that normalised criminal abuse of staff in my industry.i have to fight ever day not to become like that, and have copped decades of shit for it.

Not once have I yelled at someone on the line, stressing line is not going to help if the guys lost where he's up to with dockets.
The waitress is 18, she's poor, she can't afford caviar, it's not her fault if she doesn't know if caviar is shellfish, I'm glad she asked instead of guessing.
My suppliers are poorer than I am, they can sit out the back smoking whenever they like, if the vegetables aren't good I just tell them and they bring better vegetables most of the time. Or I don't buy the vegetables. Abusive head chefs do not get better vegetables, they get the worst suppliers. Then they cheat those suppliers, have no vegetables, often, often they get beaten up by an angry supplier, truck driver and farm manager.

I didn't get anywhere by burning myself, yelling at people, exaggerating my work ethic, being manipulative or hyping myself up. My kitchen is a happy place, we make food, we probably make more money than venues with better reputations than ours. Staff come, staff go, I'm nobodies dad, nobodies mom, I'm an employer and I pay everyone on time and throw greasy sex pests and bullies out of our workplace. Karen can speak to me, I'll just listen, she can't hurt me, thank you for your feedback Karen. It doesn't have to be hard.

>>20980640
That man is a KEK.

>>20980928
.pdfs and .epubs are free
It's a very solid cookbook, won tons of awards too

>>20980658
You know what a welding inspector is? Just a failed welder. They can pick everything apart in an instant, but when it comes to strike an arc they are lost. That's what I imagine this Kenji guy is like in a real restaurant. Lost.

>>20981266
ok tradie

>>20981178
>thank you for your feedback Karen.
Honestly this is one of the more scalding things you can say to a Karen. They either want total capitulation or they want a reaction so they can play the victim. Just smile and nod, and she/he has no cards left.

>>20980691
Hurt feelings detected. Seethe on the line today for me, little buddy

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>>20980640
Civies just wouldn't understand.

It's work for felons and druggies, dirty smelly people. Cooking at home is cheaper, faster, and results in better quality food after a bit of learning.

Restaurants go out of business all the time for a reason - they deserve to.

>>20980640
Yes, hard agree with Kenji. Service industry fucking sucks because of the people you have to work with, rude customers are forgettable.

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Being a chef is like being a combat marine in the army. No, actually it's more like being the captain of a ship of crazy pirates. One time these civilians (yeah, we called you civilians) came in 2 hours before closing, and had the audacity, nay, the nerve to order a salad. A fucking salad two hours from closing?! So I go find my salad guy Big Fat Norman (skinny guy, Ecuadoran, real name was Pedro) and he's smoking out back. I say to him "Fucking make the fucking salad fuck" and you know what he did? He made the salad. He's here early every day and volunteers for Sunday brunch. You wouldn't last a day. It's only something psychos understand.

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>Shutter/X thread
>On ck

>>20981709
Shouldn't have normalized this back in the day if you don't want it now that Musk owns X.

Can't go back now, lol.

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Remember, if your kitchen has white people in it, it's evil.

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>>20981709
X is 4chan-approved now that Muskrat removed woke censorship

>>20981723
Kind of a weird take from a guy named JAMES alt, and opened a german themed beer hall restaurant.

>>20980681
He's a pretty prominent figure in gastronomy. I have his book, it's basically half chemistry textbook half cookbook. It's pretty clear he's not just a random fraud

>>20980640
Who's MPW?
Also Kenji is really soft. He probably thinks criticizing someone borders of abuse.
I value his cooking knowledge, but everything else that comes from him is garbage.

>>20980658
He's a cook, not a chef.

>>20981764
Marco Pierre White

>>20980681
Kenji just has a BA in architecture from MIT, no formal education in cooking.
That said, you can tell he's way smarter than your average chef from how inquisitive he is about everything and willingness to experiment

>>20981764
He's a hardcore SJW, of course he's soft.
I'm kind of amazed how he never received real backlash from it when he's so vocal about it, while people like Adam Fagusea get mocked through the entire internet for like 1 comment about "cultural appropriation" in cooking.

>>20980686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqlgsRJiyWs
He seemingly does run a restaurant

>>20981797
>own
ftfy

>>20981797
Ever since he ran away to Seattle he doesn't ever mention the place now. Probably a victim of the coof.

>>20981779
He got mocked severely for his trump derangement.

>https://www.eater.com/2019/2/1/18206921/kenji-lopez-alt-maga-hats-wursthall-controversy

Pretty sure his staff made genuine complaints about discrimination based on this.

>>20980640
Yeah it sucks. I'm now in IT with a better work/life balance and making more money, and I still cook and bake on the weekends for my friends, family, coworkers, and self.

>>20981723
What a cocksucker, I don't like him, and I'm not even white

>>20980662
This.
I have a family member who worked in a high class Asian restaurant in our states Capitol during her college years.
When the head chef would get angry he would grab a handful of cooked noodles and Chuck it at the closest white person

>>20980640
>violence
>he said mean words
Impossible to take this whinging cunt serious.

>>20980640
Yes, but you just tell them to fuck off and go back to drinking on your sitting bucket, either you're doing your job or not and then they'd have fired you - its not hard

>>20980640
I really don't care what a rich nepo baby has to say about poor people working insanely hard to become successful. James Alt's parents are both royalty in STEM and he grew up a millionaire in one of the wealthiest Boston suburbs and got into MIT based on his parents and grandparents scientific achievements. Cry more on your shitty cuckboat cuz your wife left and took the kids because you're such a soy man that she lost all respect for you as a man and husband.

Oh, I was wondering why he was suddenly streaming from a boat instead of his house. The wife divorced and took it, lmao.

>>20981021
Only positive when society sees financial growth from it. Someone passionate about being a chef is likely going to be poor for life and that’s not someone you should care about. A million nobodies die everyday. You could have been one of them.

>>20981178
You could have shortened this to

>I didn’t get anywhere

And we’d have known you meant “in life”
Thanks for the blogpost I guess

>>20982818
>The wife divorced and took it, lmao.
uh oh, doesn't that mean he'll have to give up his "lopez" part of his name? that will make it harder for him to virtue signal

>>20982903
>doesn't that mean he'll have to give up his "lopez" part of his name?
No, it doesn't mean that

>>20980662
former line cook and chef here
can confirm.

funny timing actually. not every chef is a militant Ramsey shithead, but some are. the most abrasive, insulting, tough guy chef I ever worked for just died recently. I did not hear about it in time to make the service but I reached out to some of my old colleagues and we have been reminiscing lately. despite being an angry aggressive disrespectful fucker I did actually grow to really like him. once I left the industry and got to know him outside of work I came to understand that his bluster was truly an attempt at " tough love" and was ultimately a sweet guy with an exterior hardened by the special kind of shit that your exposed to in the industry. Will miss him.

>>20980640
If you manage to get into a kitchen where all of the cooks are professionals and the chef doesn't have a massive ego and understands that, at the end of the day, it's just food, it's a lot of fun. It's really hard to find that niche group, because your coworkers and even employers are likely to be drug addicted felons, and general retards who believe that they're rock stars even though they make like $16/hr, maybe $20+ if they live in a city where $20+ is basically minimum wage, and they all generally have a massive ego and you'll find a lot of dudes in their forties who are still just line cooks, not chef, not sous chef, not even chef de partie, just regular line cooks, waxing poetic about their sad lifestyle of getting spending all of their money on liquor and drugs every night and trying to ride the high they rode in their twenties, and trying and failing to get laid. But like I said, every now and then you get the right crew and it becomes the easiest job in the world, you're not fighting tweaker dishwashers in the walk in, you're not smacking a tweaked out cook with a frying pan because he tried to stab you because you asked him to smoke his meth outside, not to just blow the smoke into the hood vents, you're just hanging with the boys all night, cooking and having fun, even when it's busy.

>>20982925
thank you for your service

>>20981779
Fagusea is a /fit/ retard who self-promotes here, and his cooking videos are cooklet tier shit (apparent to anyone who actually cooks, this board is just fast food fans who don't cook and can't tell). Even if he could cook, he stirred the hornet's nest by being a faggot attention seeker here and earned that reputation.

>>20980640
Don't kitchen staff barely make minimum wage?
If they put up with all that, they're probably bigger cucks that wagies.

>>20980640
I've seen this guy sperg about Gordon Ramsey for years. Wonder what's the story there.

The J stands for JUST

>>20980996
If only he would have offed himself 11/6

>>20983041
I just think he's a dick.

>>20983041
>Fagusea is a /fit/
how fat and dyel are you

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>>20980662
>>20980691
>garbage
>tryhard

He’s not wrong, most of the people in kitchens are there because they can’t hold any other job with all the baggage and crazy they bring with them..

Yes, you have the people who got into it for the love of food and cooking, but about half of them leave “the industry” for greener pastures and just use their skills for their families and friends.

Covid did great things for the people stuck in the kitchen, yes in the short term most people lost their jobs, but most made the same or even more with the trumpbucks pandemic pay that they got.

The talented ones with means or entrepreneurial inclinations all started catering, meal prep, chefs night dinners, and other side hustles that they discovered made them more money than 60+ hours a week on salary …add never having a night or weekend to enjoy on staff and comparing the workload of the side hustle to that and even more good people left…

My fiancé is a culinary trained chef at a fancy country club. She’s worked big name casinos from their buffet churn to black tie affairs, Michelin star restaurants, intimate date restaurants where she curated the entire menu and made everything from scratch, and it took the Covid shake up to finally get her paid properly.

She got into it for the love of cooking…but she’s told me that if she knew that she would work a decade before reaching a point where she got decent pay (fucking waitresses took home more for less hours and WAY less work) and would never have a weekend or a normal work life balance she would have never gone to culinary school and just impressed people with her cooking like her mom did.

So at least the ones who can actually “chef” and keep the kitchen running are getting paid now, even if they have to play tard wrangler with the staff of degenerates to get it.

>>20981266
Yeah, but they still make more than you though lmao

>>20981266
You know what a movie reviewer is? Just a failed director. They can pick everything apart in an instant, but when it comes to write a script they are lost. That's what I imagine this Ebert guy is like in a real studio. Lost.

>>20980792
> Kenji's wife just left him lol
Fo real?

>>20980640
Yikes

>>20981266
Every CWI I've met were expert welders so idk what you are on

>>20980658
>PHD level expert on cooking
lol
lmao even

>>20981178
Honest question because upon reflecting Im kind of stumped myself: what *is* caviar? Its not shellfish, fine.. but is it fish, any more than a chicken egg is poultry?

>>20980658
>PHD level
Haaaaaaaa. Shit! This is the most zoomer cuckold simp level of barely functioning retard post I'll read for a long while. I'm actually laughing at it! Haaaaaa

>>20983864
I fucked your wife, Aaron

>>20981723
Women don't often apply. You hire minorities cuz you can lay them less and work them hard. If there's no spics it's cuz they got busted for hiring an illegal and are being watched by the government for about 10 or 12 years

>>20981771
He threw that kind of cushy ass job tree away to get fucked in the ass in a kitchen? The fuck is wrong with him?
Had a chef years ago who told me his son wanted to be a chef too and follow in his foot steps. He told his son he'd kick his ass if he did. He didn't come here from the Dr with no fucking english and struggle to provide better for his kids so they could end up in the same fucking pit.
If someone has an architecture degree from fucking mit and the decide to not use that and instead take the position that my illegal grill cooks who can't speak English have? Fucking idiot. Disregard anything he ever says about anything and never listen to such a fucking clown. Trade a 6 figure entry salary for fucking 20 bucks an hour? Fucking kill yourself

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>>20984275
>what *is* caviar?
Google exist, you fucking retard. How are "at least 18 tonpost here" and not know what brings fish roe is? Jesus Christ... ngmi

>>20984560
I don't think that an architecture undergrad degree pays that well.
Lots of people go to Ivy leagues just to become high school teachers. I don't get it but sometimes people are passionate about weird things

>>20984571
I know some one who got one from a state school. He would tell people he was over paid for sitting on his ass doing nothing. A degree from Mit takes you further than one from UMass lowell. Architects make good money, especially when you have prestige behind it.
The ones who went to ivy league and then to highschool? Prolly Harvard grads. Useless idiots. Ask anyone who's gone to an ivy league school, Harvard is the lowest of them. They will graduate you just for their reputation, as opposed to a place like Cornell where you have to work. It's not passion, people who consciously choose to take such a step down instead of securing their own interests are stupid ass dumb fucking idiots, or are trust fund babies who never had to work and won't last 3 years in a highschool cuz they can't take the bull shit from the shitty teenagers
Yeah. I'm pissed. I'd skin this stupid fucker alive and savor every scream of agony if it meant I could get his degree and get out of the fucking kitchen

>>20984569
You "Just Google it" retards are the most annoying pieces of shit on earth.
Everyone knows that Google is available at your fingertips at all points in time.

Tell me, from your perspective, in the year 2024 almost 2025, why do you think people still ask questions instead of googling?
Maybe 2007-2014 you would be right, but in modern times there is a very obvious reason why.

If you can't figure it out you're doomed

>>20984634
Cuz theyre lazy and retarded and want someone else to do basic shit for them cuz theyre useless.
If you need someone to tell you cavier is fish eggs cuz Google is too complex to figure out how to ask, it's cuz you're a stupid ass dumb fucking idiot that didn't even try, and thus are not deserving of the answer
I can figure out why you're so defensive about that, too

>>20984275
A chicken egg is a full chicken like a zygote is a full human. Ask pol. You can invite someone over for a chicken dinner and serve them scrambled eggs and be completely in the right. If you're dumb as fuck.

>>20984560
He's not a line cook... He's a journalist, media personality, 'researcher', author, etc... all within the food industry

>>20984760
Okay, thanks for the irrelevant political rant, poltard

>>20984775
>asks question
>gets an answer
>cries
>proclaims mocking a group of peoppe for stupid beliefs is to be one of them
Yeah, cavier is fish. Egg is chicken. You were the smartest kid in your school.
You're welcome

>>20984786
>gets an answer
An irrelevant schizo answer, yes. Can't you just busy yourself talking to the voices in your head instead of annoying everyone around you?

Abuse and violence were happening in kitchens since the Bronze Age. The difference is people nowadays are massive pussies who can't take shit without completely shutting down.
Unironically the anti-bullying activist wave in the 00s destroyed the average persons ability to cope with real life.

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>>20984793
What part of it was irrelevant? You're just mad I called you a dumb ass for having to ask if fish eggs are fish.
Go be a dumb ass somewhere else instead of annoying everyone around you and wasting their time. Or don't, and get more of the same. I'll be happy either way

>>20984569
>>20984634
>>20984757
>>20984760
>>20984775
>>20984786
>>20984793
>>20984802
Im the anon who originally asked the question and I did not expect this to involve a bunch of different people arguing over this.
I know theyre fish eggs guys, I just mean "culinarily" how would someone in the industry respond to a customer if asked "is it fish"

>>20980640
Is there an AI Ramsay yet where I can upload a photo and it’ll verbally abuse me?

>>20985344
>how would someone in the industry respond to a customer if asked "is it fish"
"no, it's fish eggs."

>>20985344
the fuck do they care, they saw what they wanted too and started shitting on each other, your original comment doesn't matter

>>20985358
>way

Fish eggs are still fish. It's literally the same creature.
>are chicken eggs chicken then?
Yes.

>>20985484
are you esl?

>>20980640
kenji alt is a disgusting mixed race muttoid turbo shitlib retard faggot cunt who wears nail polish and shrieks hysterically about trump all day, all of his cooking vids that i've seen have sucked fucking balls, he makes mediocre food and i hate having to hear his disgusting mouthbreathing and chewing when he goes in for a "taste test" of whatever noxious slop he's whipped up, fuck this carebear faggot retard and his concern trolling about what far better chefs have done in their careers

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working in a professional kitchen is like posting on 4chan, if you stay in that environment too long you end up having things about your personality/the way you interact with the world be off
many people in the industry, particularly lifer line cooks in higher end restaurants, are just fundamentally unpleasant, difficult people to be around because working those hours, existing in a high stress environment constantly, and having no real successes in your life makes you a bitter, annoying shell of a person.

>>20985600
this could be said of literally any job in customer service

>>20985620
kitchen work is particularly bad because you dont interact with the customers at all and arent forced to keep up any facade of normal human behavior, which exacerbates things.
as with bartenders and servers, the hours worked also basically just funnel people into constant alcohol/stimulant use